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Re: Who here is an alpha male?

PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:25 pm
by Jakob
fuse wrote:So if Silhouette is off base with his idea of an alpha male, can we get some alternate conceptions?

Physically strong and fit, creatively expansionistic on the behalf of the group and therefore rewarded with the attentions of the highest ranked women.

Re: Who here is an alpha male?

PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 11:28 pm
by Silhouette
Amazing. Thanks for resurrecting this old fossil.

It's hard to think that I made this topic as anything more than a troll to the KT trolls at the time, but no doubt I thought there was truth enough to it as to make something of it. People still respect me as a leading figure now though never in the name of something that I am passionate about, and I've completely fallen out of the sexual market place since I made the thread...

I've since heard that the whole notion of alpha male was abandoned by the very man who came up with the term - turns out the alpha was just the father or something - yet it still means something to people, or at least resonates with their imaginations...

What then does it mean to people and/or how do they imagine the "alpha" to be? Strong, fit, creatively expansionistic on behalf of the group? Sure. Maybe I would reduce strength to "fitness" in the more broad sense, and "creatively expansionistic" - I would say that both of these are a necessity for more than just "the alpha" for society. It would seem that we accept that there are plural alphas within society, which somewhat diminishes the term, but doesn't invalidate it I guess. Leaders? "The more attractive"? I think there are better terms than alpha. I probably dismissed those who echoed such sentiments at the time, ha.

Re: Who here is an alpha male?

PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2018 2:58 am
by surreptitious75
fuse wrote:
So if Silhouette is off base with his idea of an alpha male can we get some alternate conceptions

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Re: Who here is an alpha male?

PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2018 3:10 am
by Silhouette
surreptitious75 wrote:
fuse wrote:
So if Silhouette is off base with his idea of an alpha male can we get some alternate conceptions

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Re: Who here is an alpha male?

PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:16 am
by MagsJ
surreptitious75 wrote:
fuse wrote:
So if Silhouette is off base with his idea of an alpha male can we get some alternate conceptions

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..the modern definition of an alpha male? and there was I, only always ever citing looks height and intelligence in my fantasy partner wish-list.

Re: Who here is an alpha male?

PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:10 am
by Silhouette
MagsJ wrote:
surreptitious75 wrote:
fuse wrote:
So if Silhouette is off base with his idea of an alpha male can we get some alternate conceptions

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..the modern definition of an alpha male? and there was I, only always ever citing looks height and intelligence in my fantasy partner wish-list.

In terms of what women seem to want, you seem to value height above all else - willing to compromise on looks and intelligence to a significant degree when it comes to reality and not just a wish-list. Don't believe me?

Pick A, B or C:
a) 5'10, nice looks, 140 IQ
b) 5'10, hot as fuck, 100 IQ
c) 6'6, nice looks, 100 IQ

If you say A you're lying for public show or you're settling for what you can get/don't know what you're getting into, you know you wouldn't have anything more than a fling with B unless you're equally shallow, but C at worst is rejected because there's too much competition between you and other females....

surreptitious has listed what guys tend to want in themselves to feel like a man, but it's amusing how little of his list is actually required to be attractive to a female. Yeah you can be tall and goofy, and get nothing. Yeah not only tall guys get all the female attention, but I know enough guys who're short who have to seriously make up for that to even get a look-in.

Pseudo-seriously taking this thread again: alpha? Be tall with little more than averageness in other respects.

Re: Who here is an alpha male?

PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:46 am
by A Shieldmaiden
Having fun Satyr with the "herd"?

https://youtu.be/3M68wcB6L0s

Amazing.... LOL

Re: Who here is an alpha male?

PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:03 pm
by MagsJ
Silhouette wrote:
MagsJ wrote:..the modern definition of an alpha male? and there was I, only always ever citing looks height and intelligence in my fantasy partner wish-list.

In terms of what women seem to want, you seem to value height above all else - willing to compromise on looks and intelligence to a significant degree when it comes to reality and not just a wish-list. Don't believe me?

Pick A, B or C:
a) 5'10, nice looks, 140 IQ
b) 5'10, hot as fuck, 100 IQ
c) 6'6, nice looks, 100 IQ

If you say A you're lying for public show or you're settling for what you can get/don't know what you're getting into, you know you wouldn't have anything more than a fling with B unless you're equally shallow, but C at worst is rejected because there's too much competition between you and other females....

I would not choose, nor would I have a fling with, any of the above males.. better to be content alone, than to make an attempt at it that is doomed to fail.. my years of single status is testament to that.

surreptitious has listed what guys tend to want in themselves to feel like a man, but it's amusing how little of his list is actually required to be attractive to a female. Yeah you can be tall and goofy, and get nothing. Yeah not only tall guys get all the female attention, but I know enough guys who're short who have to seriously make up for that to even get a look-in.

Pseudo-seriously taking this thread again: alpha? Be tall with little more than averageness in other respects.

My thinking was that the height looks and intelligence combination.. taken as a bare minimum, would be infilled with qualities acquired throughout their life (such as those shared, in surreptitious' list) up until the point of meeting.

Re: Who here is an alpha male?

PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:20 pm
by Ecmandu
MagsJ would be called a "shoulder girl", women who look for men who they're shoulder height to.

The broad picture is that this is a zero sum reality, non consensual at that... this reality itself is evil by nature.

Women objectify more than men do. What's funny is that 2% of men get almost ALL the female partners in terms of diversity, and then, having sown their wild oats, settle for someone. It's not that men are hornier than women, it's that women are more satiated than most men.

What's funny about women criticizing men who objectify them, is that they cause the problem by only fucking rich dudes who are tall with big dicks.

Rich means the most

Women also only have sex with the three abuses of the species:

1.) proclivity to marry (slave/master mentality)
2.) sexual jealousy (if a woman has sex with another man, she will leave you if you either don't beat the shit out of her or the man she slept with)
3.) approach escalation: women have said no to all escalations - so any escalation is a no means yes scenario...

This is why men are destroying the ecosystem ... because that's all women consent to sexually

Re: Who here is an alpha male?

PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 4:03 pm
by Arcturus Descending
When it comes right down to it, the true Alpha to me is the one portrayed in the move, Alpha. Keda is his name.

He was awesome - he grew into such an awesome ALPHA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_(film)

Is Alpha really about looks and size?

Re: Who here is an alpha male?

PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 9:42 pm
by MagsJ
Ecmandu wrote:MagsJ would be called a "shoulder girl", women who look for men who they're shoulder height to.

You have assumed that it is I who look for them...

Arcturus Descending wrote:Is Alpha really about looks and size?

Perhaps Alpha is different things to different women.. trait adjustments made, for individual needs.. males, having to be able to keep other males at bay, even after pairing.

Metropolises know no loyalty.. unlike smaller societies, and even then...

Re: Who here is an alpha male?

PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 10:25 pm
by Silhouette
There's a difference between "alpha male" in the dreams of females (ought) and alpha males in reality (is).

There's also a difference between what females have come to learn is within their ability to attract. If they can't attract the most attractive, they adjust their expectations and preferences to avoid cognitive dissonance. If they didn't, they would all be after a much smaller number of males, with less male attention to their individual offspring than would be possible if females would "settle", which they do because that works so much better.

There's what females say they want, and what gets wanted in reality - and I trust the latter and not the former one bit, sorry.

Re: Who here is an alpha male?

PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 4:18 am
by MagsJ
Silhouette wrote:
There's what females say they want, and what gets wanted in reality - and I trust the latter and not the former one bit, sorry.

No need to apologise..

Re: Who here is an alpha male?

PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:28 pm
by lordoflight
Ecmandu wrote:MagsJ would be called a "shoulder girl", women who look for men who they're shoulder height to.

The broad picture is that this is a zero sum reality, non consensual at that... this reality itself is evil by nature.

Women objectify more than men do. What's funny is that 2% of men get almost ALL the female partners in terms of diversity, and then, having sown their wild oats, settle for someone. It's not that men are hornier than women, it's that women are more satiated than most men.

What's funny about women criticizing men who objectify them, is that they cause the problem by only fucking rich dudes who are tall with big dicks.

Rich means the most

Women also only have sex with the three abuses of the species:

1.) proclivity to marry (slave/master mentality)
2.) sexual jealousy (if a woman has sex with another man, she will leave you if you either don't beat the shit out of her or the man she slept with)
3.) approach escalation: women have said no to all escalations - so any escalation is a no means yes scenario...

This is why men are destroying the ecosystem ... because that's all women consent to sexually


While what you said is mostly correct, that isn't exactly why men destroy the ecosystem.

Men destroy the ozone mainly because they all know that if they don't work really hard to impress a woman, they will have a tougher time getting a girl. So they use gasoline instead of wind turbines because, 2 reasons. Wind turbines are weak, and makes them seem soft and caring. And there are women who say they want brutish men who don't care about the environment. And the women who say they want a man who cares about the environment, they really do care about the environment, but won't date a man unless he has money. So they use gas to make more money. Then there's the occasional guy who invents a technology that women date him for his money, and say "Oh he's such a great guy who cares about the environment." Meanwhile, someone born later, who didn't invent the technology, and who cares about the environment, is bullied at school and called gay, women try to ban the bullying and give sympathy, and some women are even willing to put out in highschool when he is young and virile, but once that person becomes an adult, and loses their neoteny, they can't get laid. And women could care less what's in that man's heart. Gravitating to the money. If you can't follow the cause of something, follow the money. Anyway that kid will grow up to a villain who could care less about the environment, and probably litters for fun just to get back at what is often a zero-sum world.

Re: Who here is an alpha male?

PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:32 pm
by lordoflight
Silhouette wrote:surreptitious has listed what guys tend to want in themselves to feel like a man, but it's amusing how little of his list is actually required to be attractive to a female. Yeah you can be tall and goofy, and get nothing. Yeah not only tall guys get all the female attention, but I know enough guys who're short who have to seriously make up for that to even get a look-in.

Pseudo-seriously taking this thread again: alpha? Be tall with little more than averageness in other respects.


Agreed. Tallness is not the deciding factor, but rather, the ability to be douchey, and to fit in with a crowd. That, and money.

Again, modern civilization sees another inversion of reality: In nature it is males who stand out who get noticed. But nowadays, its about blending in, following the latest trends, not being too aggressive, and regurgitation. Mainly its about looks, men who look like models get full inboxes. But if they can't get the looks, then most women will settle for someone they will use for money. And by looks, I mean its kind of like a binary system. Men who look like 10s will get everything, 9 and 8s will get hardly anything, anything below a 7 will get nothing unless they have a big dick or money. And again, its another inversion of reality, feminists claim its men who care about looks the most, but everybody knows horny men will fuck anything, even a tree, as long as it doesn't look totally ugly. In nature its females who care about looks, and colourful glamourous males get the chicks, but again another inversion of nature colourful glamourous drag queens do it to get the dudes. During the 80's there was a brief moment where nature wasn't inverted but that time has long since passed.

Re: Who here is an alpha male?

PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:37 pm
by Arcturus Descending
Arcturus Descending wrote:
Is Alpha really about looks and size?

MagsJ wrote:
Perhaps Alpha is different things to different women.. trait adjustments made, for individual needs.. males, having to be able to keep other males at bay, even after pairing.


I am not so sure about the individual needs perspective but it can be a personal perspective.

Alpha male traits to me, besides an all-around practical and great intelligence which is actually used in an intelligent way, would be ~

Bravery, like courage under fire, physical and spiritual (not religious) endurance and strength, the ability to think, strategize and act/follow through to gain powerful results, the capacity for great empathy and compassion, thorough knowledge of what his purpose and place in the world is...

I may be back with more. lol

Re: Who here is an alpha male?

PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 2:43 pm
by Fixed Cross
All of the qualities suggested in this thread have one thing in common which will be obvious to anyone here - an alpha is someone who controls his environment, rather than someone who is being controlled by it.
Tallness fits here simply as giving more of an overview, a perspective offering more in terms of control.

It is true that Napoleon wasn't a a typical alpha male, nor was Hitler, though Caesar and Alexander both were. Napoleon worked through the powers of his first wife, Hitler required enormous podiums and an upward salute. Obama would not have been elected had he been a few inches shorter, JFK neither.

Re: Who here is an alpha male?

PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 2:52 pm
by Fixed Cross
The ability to be quite passive about ones dominant properties suggests a deep seated alpha mind. A lion as opposed to a tiger.

An alpha male is not necessarily a principled man, it is however someone who isn't expected to betray himself as much. This is what evolution selects, the appearance of great integrity, because the idea of it is less problematic than the actual fact, which is what an alpha gets to learn, as his personal issues consist of the abyss between the expectation and the reality. A great burden is placed on the one who is supposed to have it all and many cant really manage it, as it speaks to more than just individual souls, it speaks for the whole of our human tribe -
So an alpha is subject directly to the expectations of a culture of itself. I think the failure of an ego under the strain of such fortune is well portrayed in the second affection of Don Draper.

Re: Who here is an alpha male?

PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:36 pm
by d63
You guys do realize that the concept of the alpha male has pretty much been dismissed in scientific circles, right? In fact, the guy that brought it into the discourse came to regret even doing so.

Re: Who here is an alpha male?

PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:44 am
by Silhouette
d63 wrote:You guys do realize that the concept of the alpha male has pretty much been dismissed in scientific circles, right? In fact, the guy that brought it into the discourse came to regret even doing so.

Yeah. And I made the thread in 2011 tongue in cheek. And yet there's something about the notion of alpha male that compels regardless, no? Apparently.

Re: Who here is an alpha male?

PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 2:27 am
by Urwrongx1000
Alpha male in Humanity is the Leader, Authority, Absolute responsibility, and ultimate Judicator of violence.

The Alpha male can send a nation of men into war, to kill, and to die.

Beta and lesser males live, and die, by the commands of the Alpha.

Re: Who here is an alpha male?

PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 2:56 am
by Silhouette
Urwrongx1000 wrote:Alpha male in Humanity is the Leader, Authority, Absolute responsibility, and ultimate Judicator of violence.

The Alpha male can send a nation of men into war, to kill, and to die.

Beta and lesser males live, and die, by the commands of the Alpha.

"Spouty spouty bull bull which I want to believe because it sounds tough and I'm a toughy!".

And then there's evidence...
Turned out on closer inspection that the "alpha" was just the dad.

But you tell a cool story bro.

Re: Who here is an alpha male?

PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:33 pm
by Urwrongx1000
Nobody respects your ideas, Silhouette.

Re: Who here is an alpha male?

PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:04 pm
by Silhouette
Urwrongx1000 wrote:Nobody respects your ideas, Silhouette.

Lol you wish. Ironic that it should be you to say this.

Re: Who here is an alpha male?

PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:41 pm
by Karpel Tunnel
I've just skimmed but in the posts I read, it seemed like people were naming essential qualities. Stuff the person is. But if you are alpha - whether or not the concept of alpha male is a good one - it has to do with relations. How you manage not to be beta or to get others to be. Having many of the qualities, both postive and negative ones mentioned, might very well help, but it is waht you do and don't do in relation to other people. There are some great improv exercises where people display their status. Sometimes people get a range of numbers, each person getting a number placing them low to high status. There are also games where people try to outstatus each other, to get the higher status. High status is not quite the same as alpha, but similar. And one things these exercises teach is that the alpha is defined, or rather the high status, defines him or herself, by NOT being affected. By not reacting strongly. A lot of beginners try to act tough, to dominate, to use vocal force or even physical force. But relaxation, confidence, not reacting, these immediately show high status.

trying to dominate often comes off weak, especially when those who try this are on stage with experienced improvisers.