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Postby Artimas » Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:53 am

Comedy is humanities attempt at existential relief by the attempt of finding humor in truth and understanding intellectual/abstract perception and judgement of idiocy/ignorance. The jester archetype. Finding relief in making other people laugh is the comedians goal.

This thread will be for anyone who wants to post humorous content that contains bits of truth.

https://youtu.be/2iR-qrPFwG8
Bill Hicks Standup, Relentless, 1991.

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Re: Comedy

Postby MagsJ » Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:23 am

I'm a joker, but not a fool.. when I joke, take the joke.. or feel my wrath! :x
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Re: Comedy

Postby Artimas » Mon Mar 11, 2019 5:49 am

MagsJ wrote:I'm a joker, but not a fool.. when I joke, take the joke.. or feel my wrath! :x


There is definitely a difference between the two and I am sure some get it misconstrued.

A "god" who deserves worship will be humble enough to reject it; A "god" who demands worship will not be worthy of it.

All smoke fades, as do all delicate mirrors shatter.

"My ancestors are smiling on me, Imperials. Can you say the same?"

"Science Fiction today ~ Science Fact tomorrow"

Change is inevitable, it can only be delayed or sped up. Choose wisely.

Truth is pain, and pain is gain.


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Re: Comedy

Postby Artimas » Mon Mar 11, 2019 5:56 am


A "god" who deserves worship will be humble enough to reject it; A "god" who demands worship will not be worthy of it.

All smoke fades, as do all delicate mirrors shatter.

"My ancestors are smiling on me, Imperials. Can you say the same?"

"Science Fiction today ~ Science Fact tomorrow"

Change is inevitable, it can only be delayed or sped up. Choose wisely.

Truth is pain, and pain is gain.


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Re: Comedy

Postby Meno_ » Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:05 am

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Re: Comedy

Postby MagsJ » Mon Mar 11, 2019 5:00 pm

Artimas wrote:
MagsJ wrote:I'm a joker, but not a fool.. when I joke, take the joke.. or feel my wrath! :x


There is definitely a difference between the two and I am sure some get it misconstrued.

The Trickster/Joker Archetype:
Tricksters Trickster: a mischievous figure in myth or folklore typically makes up for physical weakness with cunning and subversive humor alternates between cleverness and stupidity, kindness and cruelty, deceiver and deceived, breaker of taboos and creator of culture - tricksters alternately scandalize/disgusts, amuses/disrupt, chastise/ humiliate (or are humiliated by) the animal—proto-people of pre-history also a creative force transforming the world, sometimes in bizarre and outrageous ways.
Strengths of the Trickster/Joker Archetype
The Trickster embodies the energy of mischief and the desire for change. Tricksters cut big egos down to size and, most importantly, provide comic relief that eases tension and brings the Hero (and the audience) down to earth. They also work to make fun of/highlight hypocrisy. Still, the Trickster's loyalty and motives can be in doubt. Is the Trickster an ally? An agent of the Shadow? Or an independent agent working to some private agenda? This character is so dedicated to laughing at the "status quo" and mocking everything around him that his true motives can remain in doubt.
The Trickster Loki, Hermes, Raven, Anansi, and Coyote are all excellent examples of the trickster archetype. In modern fiction we see the trickster as the force of chaos in the universe, not necessarily evil or good, just representative of change/chaos.

The Fool Archetype:
The Fool is often seen in stories alongside the King or Ruler. In these stories, the Fool's job is to deflate the ego of the Ruler - and to say (in jest) what needs to be said, but no-one else is willing to say out loud. The Fool is protected - and has a special role - above the politicking and machinations of 'court'. The Fool is clever and wise, speaks the truth and challenges authority - but softens the blow with humour. Finally, the Fool is resilient - not caring what other people think, laughing at life's difficulties and challenges, and getting back up - again and again - after being knocked down. In current culture our political satirists and comedians are often the Wise Fools.
7 Strengths of the (Wise) Fool Archetype
A lack of concern about what other people think of them.
Trusting the process - enjoying the journey and letting things be rather than trying to control them.
Living in the present moment - because that is all there is.
Living life as a game - seeing the lighter side of darker situations.
They poke fun at the ego.
They create their own rules.
No matter what, the Fool has a zest for life!
The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite

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Re: Comedy

Postby Artimas » Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:15 pm

MagsJ wrote:
Artimas wrote:
MagsJ wrote:I'm a joker, but not a fool.. when I joke, take the joke.. or feel my wrath! :x


There is definitely a difference between the two and I am sure some get it misconstrued.

The Trickster/Joker Archetype:
Tricksters Trickster: a mischievous figure in myth or folklore typically makes up for physical weakness with cunning and subversive humor alternates between cleverness and stupidity, kindness and cruelty, deceiver and deceived, breaker of taboos and creator of culture - tricksters alternately scandalize/disgusts, amuses/disrupt, chastise/ humiliate (or are humiliated by) the animal—proto-people of pre-history also a creative force transforming the world, sometimes in bizarre and outrageous ways.
Strengths of the Trickster/Joker Archetype
The Trickster embodies the energy of mischief and the desire for change. Tricksters cut big egos down to size and, most importantly, provide comic relief that eases tension and brings the Hero (and the audience) down to earth. They also work to make fun of/highlight hypocrisy. Still, the Trickster's loyalty and motives can be in doubt. Is the Trickster an ally? An agent of the Shadow? Or an independent agent working to some private agenda? This character is so dedicated to laughing at the "status quo" and mocking everything around him that his true motives can remain in doubt.
The Trickster Loki, Hermes, Raven, Anansi, and Coyote are all excellent examples of the trickster archetype. In modern fiction we see the trickster as the force of chaos in the universe, not necessarily evil or good, just representative of change/chaos.

The Fool Archetype:
The Fool is often seen in stories alongside the King or Ruler. In these stories, the Fool's job is to deflate the ego of the Ruler - and to say (in jest) what needs to be said, but no-one else is willing to say out loud. The Fool is protected - and has a special role - above the politicking and machinations of 'court'. The Fool is clever and wise, speaks the truth and challenges authority - but softens the blow with humour. Finally, the Fool is resilient - not caring what other people think, laughing at life's difficulties and challenges, and getting back up - again and again - after being knocked down. In current culture our political satirists and comedians are often the Wise Fools.
7 Strengths of the (Wise) Fool Archetype
A lack of concern about what other people think of them.

Trusting the process - enjoying the journey and letting things be rather than trying to control them.
Living in the present moment - because that is all there is.
Living life as a game - seeing the lighter side of darker situations.
They poke fun at the ego.
They create their own rules.
No matter what, the Fool has a zest for life!


A lot of common everyday Joe's are trapped in the fool archetype. I myself vary between a few based on events and my control or lack there of is dependent upon the severity of said event(s).

I have never really been able to "live in the moment" I accept the dark for what it is and I don't try to blind myself with over-illumination as the fool would seem to do. I have been entrapped as well but I would say fur to being young and naive more so than willful entrapment due to fear. I live in the past to understand and live in the future for I understand change, there is no present for it is swept away in the wind immediately.

A "god" who deserves worship will be humble enough to reject it; A "god" who demands worship will not be worthy of it.

All smoke fades, as do all delicate mirrors shatter.

"My ancestors are smiling on me, Imperials. Can you say the same?"

"Science Fiction today ~ Science Fact tomorrow"

Change is inevitable, it can only be delayed or sped up. Choose wisely.

Truth is pain, and pain is gain.


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Re: Comedy

Postby MagsJ » Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:43 am

Artimas wrote:A lot of common everyday Joe's are trapped in the fool archetype. I myself vary between a few based on events and my control or lack there of is dependent upon the severity of said event(s).

I have never really been able to "live in the moment" I accept the dark for what it is and I don't try to blind myself with over-illumination as the fool would seem to do. I have been entrapped as well but I would say fur to being young and naive more so than willful entrapment due to fear. I live in the past to understand and live in the future for I understand change, there is no present for it is swept away in the wind immediately.

The elements of the Fool I embody are:
Living life as a game - seeing the lighter side of darker situations.
They create their own rules.
No matter what, the Fool has a zest for life!

..but we all have some, or many, elements of all the archetypes in us.. as I am not all Trickster, but tend to/can embody it when bored. :D

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