IS MUSIC THE BEST?

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IS MUSIC THE BEST?

Postby Kathrina » Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:51 pm

Music is great. But is music the best?

Frank Zappa said:



Do you agree?
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Re: IS MUSIC THE BEST?

Postby Kriswest » Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:52 am

Zappa was most likely stoned when quoted.His thoughts seem incomplete as being high can do this.
Music the best?? The best what? Social interaction? Possibly what he meant. Is it??? In a way yes.
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Re: IS MUSIC THE BEST?

Postby Arminius » Thu Mar 23, 2017 9:47 pm

Kathrina wrote:Music is great. But is music the best?

Wisdom is great and music the best. Would that be a compromise? :)
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Re: IS MUSIC THE BEST?

Postby Arminius » Thu Mar 23, 2017 10:04 pm

Kriswest wrote:Zappa was most likely stoned when quoted.His thoughts seem incomplete as being high can do this.

Zappa and drugs:

Zappa's output is unified by a conceptual continuity he termed "Project/Object", with numerous musical phrases, ideas, and characters reappearing across his albums. His lyrics reflected his iconoclastic views of established social and political processes, structures and movements, often humorously so. He was a strident critic of mainstream education and organized religion, and a forthright and passionate advocate for freedom of speech, self-education, political participation and the abolition of censorship. Unlike many other rock musicians of his era, he personally disapproved of and seldom used drugs, but supported their decriminalization and regulation.

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During the recording of Freak Out!, Zappa moved into a house in Laurel Canyon with friend Pamela Zarubica, who appeared on the album. The house became a meeting (and living) place for many LA musicians and groupies of the time, despite Zappa's disapproval of their illicit drug use.

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Zappa stated that he tried smoking cannabis ten times, but without any pleasure or result beyond sleepiness and sore throat, and "never used LSD, never used cocaine, never used heroin or any of that other stuff." Zappa stated, "Drugs do not become a problem until the person who uses the drugs does something to you, or does something that would affect your life that you don't want to have happen to you, like an airline pilot who crashes because he was full of drugs." He was a regular tobacco smoker for most of his life, and strongly critical of anti-tobacco campaigns.

While he disapproved of drug use, he criticized the War on Drugs, comparing it to alcohol prohibition, and stated that the United States Treasury would benefit from the decriminalization and regulation of drugs. Describing his philosophical views, Zappa stated, "I believe that people have a right to decide their own destinies; people own themselves. I also believe that, in a democracy, government exists because (and only so long as) individual citizens give it a 'temporary license to exist'—in exchange for a promise that it will behave itself. In a democracy, you own the government—it doesn't own you.


Kriswest wrote:Music the best?? The best what? Social interaction? Possibly what he meant. Is it??? In a way yes.

Was the great musician Frank Zappa also a great philosopher?
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Re: IS MUSIC THE BEST?

Postby Amorphos » Thu Mar 23, 2017 10:10 pm

Music is the best ~ if you’re a musician with an ego to match how big you want it to be. In practice it only changes impressionable hearts and rarely actually changes anything, certainly not in the long run. A recent show on bbc4 revealed that all the big names changed nothing, where there is a sine-wave running through all music, and that denotes music as falling towards the middle.
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Re: IS MUSIC THE BEST?

Postby Arminius » Thu Mar 23, 2017 10:12 pm

Kriswest wrote:Zappa was most likely stoned when quoted.His thoughts seem incomplete as being high can do this.

Zappa and drugs:

Zappa's output is unified by a conceptual continuity he termed "Project/Object", with numerous musical phrases, ideas, and characters reappearing across his albums. His lyrics reflected his iconoclastic views of established social and political processes, structures and movements, often humorously so. He was a strident critic of mainstream education and organized religion, and a forthright and passionate advocate for freedom of speech, self-education, political participation and the abolition of censorship. Unlike many other rock musicians of his era, he personally disapproved of and seldom used drugs, but supported their decriminalization and regulation.

....

During the recording of Freak Out!, Zappa moved into a house in Laurel Canyon with friend Pamela Zarubica, who appeared on the album. The house became a meeting (and living) place for many LA musicians and groupies of the time, despite Zappa's disapproval of their illicit drug use.

....

Zappa stated that he tried smoking cannabis ten times, but without any pleasure or result beyond sleepiness and sore throat, and "never used LSD, never used cocaine, never used heroin or any of that other stuff." Zappa stated, "Drugs do not become a problem until the person who uses the drugs does something to you, or does something that would affect your life that you don't want to have happen to you, like an airline pilot who crashes because he was full of drugs." He was a regular tobacco smoker for most of his life, and strongly critical of anti-tobacco campaigns.

While he disapproved of drug use, he criticized the War on Drugs, comparing it to alcohol prohibition, and stated that the United States Treasury would benefit from the decriminalization and regulation of drugs. Describing his philosophical views, Zappa stated, "I believe that people have a right to decide their own destinies; people own themselves. I also believe that, in a democracy, government exists because (and only so long as) individual citizens give it a 'temporary license to exist'—in exchange for a promise that it will behave itself. In a democracy, you own the government—it doesn't own you.

Source: Wikipedia.
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Re: IS MUSIC THE BEST?

Postby Arminius » Thu Mar 23, 2017 11:02 pm

Kriswest wrote:Music the best?? The best what? Social interaction? Possibly what he meant. Is it??? In a way yes.

Was the great musician Frank Zappa also a great philosopher?
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Re: IS MUSIC THE BEST?

Postby Kathrina » Thu Mar 23, 2017 11:23 pm

Zappa wasn’t the greatest musician. There were others who were greater, especially in earlier centuries. But this is not what this thread should deal with. I used the Zappa quote in order to just ask more generally: IS MUSIC THE BEST?
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Re: IS MUSIC THE BEST?

Postby Kathrina » Thu Mar 23, 2017 11:41 pm

Music makes us feel good. Isn't that a good argument?

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Music moves humans of all cultures, in a way that doesn’t seem to happen with e.g. animals. Nobody really understands why listening to music - which, unlike sex or food, has no intrinsic value - can trigger such profoundly rewarding experiences.

Music is exquisitely emotionally evocative, which is why a touch of happy music makes even unrelated pictures seem more pleasant. In light of the above, then, we are led to the conclusion that the artifact of music should contain some distinctly human elements.
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Re: IS MUSIC THE BEST?

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Sat Mar 25, 2017 7:15 pm

Music is a drug, and drugs are a medicine.
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Re: IS MUSIC THE BEST?

Postby mannikin » Sat Mar 25, 2017 7:25 pm

Us government used rock metal music on Arab terrorists as a torture method.
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Re: IS MUSIC THE BEST?

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Sat Mar 25, 2017 8:04 pm

mannikin wrote:Us government used rock metal music on Arab terrorists as a torture method.


I guess they must have been wussies.
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Re: IS MUSIC THE BEST?

Postby mannikin » Sat Mar 25, 2017 8:48 pm

or higher standards
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Re: IS MUSIC THE BEST?

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Tue Mar 28, 2017 6:50 pm

mannikin wrote:or higher standards

Muslim Michael Jackson. It is said that Michael Jackson converted to Islam before he died. Perhaps, this was his (her?) final plastic surgery.
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Re: IS MUSIC THE BEST?

Postby Kathrina » Fri Apr 07, 2017 7:40 pm

mannikin wrote:Us government used rock metal music on Arab terrorists as a torture method.

Music has its extreme sides too, hasn't it?
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Re: IS MUSIC THE BEST?

Postby Kathrina » Sat Sep 02, 2017 10:05 pm

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Re: IS MUSIC THE BEST?

Postby Kathrina » Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:07 am

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Re: IS MUSIC THE BEST?

Postby Alf » Fri Sep 15, 2017 2:40 pm

That one isn't the best.
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Re: IS MUSIC THE BEST?

Postby Alf » Fri Sep 15, 2017 7:30 pm

Johann Sebastian Bach's music is the best.

For example:



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Re: IS MUSIC THE BEST?

Postby Kathrina » Sat Sep 16, 2017 2:12 am

Alf wrote:That one isn't the best.

Maybe. The topic is: IS MUSIC THE BEST?

Music in general.
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Re: IS MUSIC THE BEST?

Postby Kathrina » Sat Sep 16, 2017 7:30 pm

Also, music is therapy.
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Re: IS MUSIC THE BEST?

Postby Kathrina » Sat Sep 16, 2017 9:55 pm

"Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy." - Ludwig v. Beethoven.

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Re: IS MUSIC THE BEST?

Postby Arminius » Wed Sep 20, 2017 3:07 am

Kathrina wrote:Also, music is therapy.

Also, dolphins are good for therapy:

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Re: IS MUSIC THE BEST?

Postby Alf » Sat Sep 23, 2017 1:54 am

Kathrina wrote:Also, music is therapy.

It depends on what music it is, where and when it is played, how all those circumstances are ... and so on and so forth.
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Re: IS MUSIC THE BEST?

Postby Jakob » Tue Sep 26, 2017 4:02 am

Kathrina wrote:Music makes us feel good. Isn't that a good argument?

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Music moves humans of all cultures, in a way that doesn’t seem to happen with e.g. animals. Nobody really understands why listening to music - which, unlike sex or food, has no intrinsic value - can trigger such profoundly rewarding experiences.

Music is exquisitely emotionally evocative, which is why a touch of happy music makes even unrelated pictures seem more pleasant. In light of the above, then, we are led to the conclusion that the artifact of music should contain some distinctly human elements.

Or that the artifact of humanity should contain some distinctly musical elements.
In any case, music is indeed the best.
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