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Where does art come from?

PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 3:38 am
by Alf
What do you think about the origin of art?

Re: Where does art come from?

PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:23 am
by Kriswest
Communication

Re: Where does art come from?

PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:28 pm
by Alf
Kriswest wrote:Communication

Agreed. And more exactly?

Re: Where does art come from?

PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:10 pm
by Kriswest
About what? Art is a form of communication.

Re: Where does art come from?

PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:22 pm
by Alf
Kriswest wrote:About what? Art is a form of communication.

So you are saying that art comes from art?

Re: Where does art come from?

PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:26 pm
by Kriswest
Art is communication

Re: Where does art come from?

PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:48 pm
by Alf
:P
Kriswest wrote:Art is communication

Yes, agreed again, but the question (as the title!) of this thread is: "Where does art come from?"

Re: Where does art come from?

PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 7:39 pm
by Kriswest
It comes from the need to communicate.

Re: Where does art come from?

PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 1:48 am
by Amorphos
Duality, the more you have the greater it pulls everything apart and hence the greater one’s repetoire.

Re: Where does art come from?

PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:02 pm
by Alf
Kriswest wrote:It comes from the need to communicate.

O(oo)k(aa)a(yy)y .... But .... What's "the need to communicate" then to you?

Re: Where does art come from?

PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:56 pm
by Kriswest
The need to let others know things you know to let others know how you feel , to let others know know intent and a few asundry other things but, those are primary

Re: Where does art come from?

PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:34 pm
by Alf
Kriswest wrote:The need to let others know things you know to let others know how you feel , to let others know know intent and a few asundry other things but, those are primary

"Communication" is too general. All living beings communicate in the way you just described, most of them by using only chemical signs, some of them by using also other signs, but only humans by using also language as a very complex system of linguistic signs. So the fact that only humans have art and only humans have such a complex system of linguistic signs could be an indication of a very deep connection between them. I think that there is a developmental connection between an instinctive faith or belief on the one hand and art and language on the other hand, provided that all fundamental requirements are already given (e.g.: upright gait, relatively free hands, relatively huge and very complex brain).

Re: Where does art come from?

PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:37 am
by Kriswest
And all that breaks down to one individual attempting to communicate to one or more individuals. Our complexity and bonds does not change that. Art is a form of communication. Tell a person how to get to a store without language. Art allows communication when words do not suffice.

Re: Where does art come from?

PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 8:25 pm
by Alf
Kriswest wrote:And all that breaks down to one individual attempting to communicate to one or more individuals. Our complexity and bonds does not change that. Art is a form of communication. Tell a person how to get to a store without language. Art allows communication when words do not suffice.

We are in agreement about that. But again: The question (as the title!) of this thread is: "Where does art come from?"

Alf wrote:Where does art come from?
Kriswest wrote:Communication
Alf wrote:
Kriswest wrote:Art is a form of communication.

So you are saying that art comes from art?
Alf wrote: :P
Kriswest wrote:Art is communication

Yes, agreed again, but the question (as the title!) of this thread is: "Where does art come from?"

If you are only saying that art comes from art (art is communication and comes from communication), then that does not or at least not sufficiently enough answer the question (as the title) of this thread: "Where does art come from?"

Re: Where does art come from?

PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:01 am
by Kriswest
Art does not come from art. Art comes from the need to communicate, emotions, ideas , knowledge. Since my phone won't show me the emoji hitting itself on a wall could someone please place it here for me.

Re: Where does art come from?

PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:14 am
by Alf
Kriswest wrote:Art does not come from art.

But you've said that it does. See again:

Kriswest wrote:
Alf wrote:Where does art come from?
Communication
Kriswest wrote:Art is a form of communication.
Kriswest wrote:Art is communication

That's what you've said: Art comes from and is (a form of) communication. So the conclusion of your own words is: Art comes from art.

S o r r y .

Kriswest wrote:Art comes from the need to communicate, emotions, ideas , knowledge.

Only if you mean the interaction of human emotions, human ideas, human knowledge. And if you mean the interaction of human emotions, human ideas, human knowledge, we are again in agreement, but will have to define that more closely.

O t h e r w i s e :

We turn around in a circle again.

Alf wrote:
Kriswest wrote:It comes from the need to communicate.

O(oo)k(aa)a(yy)y .... But .... What's "the need to communicate" then to you?
Alf wrote:
Kriswest wrote:The need to let others know things you know to let others know how you feel , to let others know know intent and a few asundry other things but, those are primary

"Communication" is too general. All living beings communicate in the way you just described, most of them by using only chemical signs, some of them by using also other signs, but only humans by using also language as a very complex system of linguistic signs. So the fact that only humans have art and only humans have such a complex system of linguistic signs could be an indication of a very deep connection between them. I think that there is a developmental connection between an instinctive faith or belief on the one hand and art and language on the other hand, provided that all fundamental requirements are already given (e.g.: upright gait, relatively free hands, relatively huge and very complex brain).
Alf wrote:
Kriswest wrote:And all that breaks down to one individual attempting to communicate to one or more individuals. Our complexity and bonds does not change that. Art is a form of communication. Tell a person how to get to a store without language. Art allows communication when words do not suffice.

We are in agreement about that. But again: The question (as the title!) of this thread is: "Where does art come from?"

Alf wrote:Where does art come from?
Kriswest wrote:Communication
Alf wrote:
Kriswest wrote:Art is a form of communication.

So you are saying that art comes from art?
Alf wrote: :P
Kriswest wrote:Art is communication

Yes, agreed again, but the question (as the title!) of this thread is: "Where does art come from?"

If you are only saying that art comes from art (art is communication and comes from communication), then that does not or at least not sufficiently enough answer the question (as the title) of this thread: "Where does art come from?"

:P

Kriswest wrote:Since my phone won't show me the emoji hitting itself on a wall could someone please place it here for me.

:lol:

Re: Where does art come from?

PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 4:04 am
by Magnus Anderson
We create art in order to make certain valuable aspects of life persistent, to preserve them, to record or memorize them. That's the purpose of it.

Re: Where does art come from?

PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:20 am
by Mowk
Where does art come from?

Does it come from anywhere or is it manifest in the moment; drawn from yesterdays headlines? Art is likely the least original thing on the planet. So far it is only a product of reflection.

And what is a thing that can only be said is the thing after consensus. It did not exist until someone claimed it as art. That should give anyone a clue to form where it comes. What of all the poor objects existing in limbo crafted by human hands, are they not objects of their own account. A screw is art. Before this was that it was thing, craft, edifice. idealog. I got a bunch of things objects, that I have crafted, no one sees them, are they art? They are lumps of clay, fashioned. Art is cultural, not absolute.

What do you think art is? The natural world does not give one fuck about what man thinks is art. That should tell us something about what we think about art.

Re: Where does art come from?

PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 4:39 pm
by Alf
Magnus Anderson wrote:We create art in order to make certain valuable aspects of life persistent, to preserve them, to record or memorize them. That's the purpose of it.

And when art is decadent it is just the other way around.

Re: Where does art come from?

PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 4:44 pm
by Alf
Mowk wrote:
Where does art come from?

Does it come from anywhere or is it manifest in the moment; drawn from yesterdays headlines? Art is likely the least original thing on the planet. So far it is only a product of reflection.

And what is a thing that can only be said is the thing after consensus. It did not exist until someone claimed it as art. That should give anyone a clue to form where it comes. What of all the poor objects existing in limbo crafted by human hands, are they not objects of their own account. A screw is art. Before this was that it was thing, craft, edifice. idealog. I got a bunch of things objects, that I have crafted, no one sees them, are they art? They are lumps of clay, fashioned. Art is cultural, not absolute.

What do you think art is? The natural world does not give one fuck about what man thinks is art. That should tell us something about what we think about art.

The "natural world" is not interested in "what man thinks is art", and man is not interested in what the natural world is interested in.

Re: Where does art come from?

PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:20 pm
by Mowk
Do you believe then, that the natural world is capable of expressing interest?

"Fountain" by Marcel Duchamp. Art?

Re: Where does art come from?

PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:30 pm
by Alf
Note that I used quotation marks ("natural world") and that all living beings are part of that "natural world".

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Re: Where does art come from?

PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 8:26 am
by Mowk
So does art come from somewhere or does it manifest given what ever shit happens to be taking place in society? It's still reactionary, a reflection.

Re: Where does art come from?

PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 8:36 am
by WendyDarling
What about eco-friendly/environmental art? I think some animals take notice of our art out of curiosity, to play, to make a new home. What more could art represent than a "home" one can place oneself into?

Re: Where does art come from?

PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 9:36 am
by Magnus Anderson
Alf wrote:
Magnus Anderson wrote:We create art in order to make certain valuable aspects of life persistent, to preserve them, to record or memorize them. That's the purpose of it.

And when art is decadent it is just the other way around.


Yes, decadent art is about goofiness.