The Great Musician Frank Zappa and His Philosophy.

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Re: Was the Great Musician Frank Zappa also a Graet Philosop

Postby Arminius » Mon Aug 24, 2015 3:44 am

Some other (more serious) photos of Frank Zappa:

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Re: Was the Great Musician Frank Zappa also a Graet Philosop

Postby Magnus Anderson » Mon Aug 24, 2015 3:47 am

Pretty much any random classical piece of decent quality can destroy anything I've ever heard from Zappa. Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata? Sure. Samuel Barber's Adagio for Strings? Sure. Scriabin's Etude Op 8 No 12? Sure. Mozart's Little Serenade? Sure. Mendelssohn's Violin Concerto? Sure. Need I go on? Even film music and trailer music (e.g. Two Steps from Hell) is better than most of rock 'n' roll.
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Re: Was the Great Musician Frank Zappa also a Graet Philosop

Postby Arminius » Mon Aug 24, 2015 3:58 am

GreatandWiseTrixie wrote:Zappa's philosophy
"One day I discovered that if you took a missle, and added ten warheads to the missle, instead of just one, you can blow more things up. I was impressed with the atomic bomb"

This he thought when he was a little child.

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Re: Was the Great Musician Frank Zappa also a Graet Philosop

Postby Arminius » Mon Aug 24, 2015 3:58 am

GreatandWiseTrixie wrote:Best rock composer of the 20th century is probably Peter Gabriel.

Why? :-k
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Re: Was the Great Musician Frank Zappa also a Graet Philosop

Postby GreatandWiseTrixie » Mon Aug 24, 2015 4:01 am

Arminius wrote:
GreatandWiseTrixie wrote:Best rock composer of the 20th century is probably Peter Gabriel.

Why? :-k

Because number one, its progressive rock. Its like a hybrid of classical music, rock music, and futuristic music. It is of higher musical quality than Rush, King Crimson, ELP, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, etc. who are all amateurs in comparison, who don't harness the classical motifs right. I'd have to say King Crimson or Rush is the second best of the bunch, though a bit too homogenous for my tastes, each song is to uniform compared to the previous. Floyd is too dry, and Zepellin too melodramatic. ELP is too freeform, and directionless at times.

Zappa is just like a cacophony of crap. In that one song you posted, he attempted to emulate progressive rock, but it just sound like a kid in the garage, hammering random notes, like an improvised jazz garage jam session. No identity, no substance, just gibberish. And it he puts it all together through the veil of comedic humor. It's the glue of his poop, the only thinking holding the pieces.
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Re: Was the Great Musician Frank Zappa also a Graet Philosop

Postby Arminius » Mon Aug 24, 2015 4:44 am

GreatandWiseTrixie wrote:
Arminius wrote:
GreatandWiseTrixie wrote:Best rock composer of the 20th century is probably Peter Gabriel.

Why? :-k

Because number one, its progressive rock.

I like progressive rock music very much. It is my favorite kind of rock music. But that does not automatically mean that the best rock composer is a progressive rock musician. Please do not forget other rock musicians, especially the jazz rock musicians, because they are also very good rock composers.

GreatandWiseTrixie wrote:Its like a hybrid of classical music, rock music, and futuristic music.

I totally agree.

GreatandWiseTrixie wrote:It is of higher musical quality ....

Thre quality of the classical music is a little bit higher than the quality of the progressive rock music.

GreatandWiseTrixie wrote:Zappa is just like a cacophony of crap.

No.

GreatandWiseTrixie wrote:In that one song you posted, he attempted to emulate progressive rock, but it just sound like a kid in the garage, hammering random notes, like an improvised jazz garage jam session. No identity, no substance, just gibberish. And it he puts it all together through the veil of comedic humor. It's the glue of his poop, the only thinking holding the pieces.

It is more like doing it in another way (comedic humor included), but Frank Zappa did not hide anything behind his humor; he had a very serious side as well.
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Re: Was the Great Musician Frank Zappa also a Graet Philosop

Postby GreatandWiseTrixie » Mon Aug 24, 2015 4:48 am

Yes he was so serious that his jokes werent very funny. It was obvious he had a serious demeanor, which is why his jokes fell flat. He was very masculine, not in touch with his feminine side, so his humor fell flat. He was no daemon, no Loki, no Joker, no comedian, no clown.

Musically, it was just improvized Jazz. His music was just garage band rubbish, joke music, random improv lyrics he made up at a campfire with no musical flow whatsoever, a kid making up off beat lyrics to banging goofy music in the background.

Jazz causes psychosis.
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Re: Was the Great Musician Frank Zappa also a Graet Philosop

Postby Arminius » Mon Aug 24, 2015 4:59 am

GreatandWiseTrixie wrote:Yes he was so serious that his jokes werent very funny. It was obvious he had a serious demeanor, which is why his jokes fell flat. He was very masculine, not in touch with his feminine side, so his humor fell flat. He was no daemon, no Loki, no Joker, no comedian, no clown.

Musically, it was just improvized Jazz. His music was just garage band rubbish, joke music, random improv lyrics he made up at a campfire with no musical flow whatsoever, a kid making up off beat lyrics to banging goofy music in the background.

Jazz causes psychosis.

Are you sure that you are not confusing jazz rock or jazz in general with your "1990's pop songs" or your "my little pony songs"? :)
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Re: Was the Great Musician Frank Zappa also a Graet Philosop

Postby GreatandWiseTrixie » Mon Aug 24, 2015 5:14 am

90's pop music and my little pony music sounds nothing like Jazz.

Jazz is music for niggers, women and gay fags. Excerpt on jazz music

Murphy wrote:Jazz originally was the accompaniment of the voodoo dancer, stimulating the half-crazed barbarians to the vilest deeds. The weird chant, accompanied by the syncopated rhythm of the voodoo invokers, has been employed by other barbaric people to stimulate brutality and sensuality” (Faulkner 16). The ever-growing popularity of this music alarmed those who feared the growing influence of cultural forms associated with African-Americans. By 1913, the prevalence of popular music in American consciousness seemed so widespread as to prompt this letter to the editor of the Musical Courier:

SIR – Can it be said that America is falling prey to the collective soul of the Negro through the influence of what is popularly known as “rag time” music? Some sociological writers of prominence believe so; all psychologists are of the opinion. One thing is infallibly certain: if there is any tendency toward such a national disaster, it should be definitely pointed out and extreme measures taken to inhibit the influence and avert the increasing danger – if it has not already gone too far. (Kenilworth 22)

Interestingly, bourgeois critics did not condemn all “black” music. African-American “folk” music (spirituals and plantation chants) was often approved of and accorded a guarded acceptance alongside the cherished masterworks of Beethoven, Mozart, and Brahms (among others). It is likely that many white critics deemed African-American folk music “safe” because it represented a time when Blacks “knew their place” at the bottom of the social hierarchy under slavery; they likewise approved of the oft-religious themes.

As a critic patiently explained, Americans, in their enthusiasm for “manufactured” popular music, failed to appreciate “the wealth and beauty of the true Negro songs” from the antebellum era. Indeed, she went on to argue that

Side by side with the too highly civilized white race the Negro must in time have eliminated from him all his God-given best instincts and so fail utterly. For are they not already ashamed of their old African music? They should be taught that slavery, with its occasional abuses, was simply a valuable training in their evolution from savagery, and not look upon their bondage and their slave music with shame. (Murphy 1730)


Jazz is for the psuedo-intellectuals to call themselves cultured, the pretentious...the rude.
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Re: Was the Great Musician Frank Zappa also a Graet Philosop

Postby Zoot Allures » Mon Aug 24, 2015 11:58 am

Blues standards started with the negroes. Ragtime jazz and contemporary jazz is what happened to the standard blues when it was modified by smart, musically literate white people who feel asleep while litsening to the boring classical symphony. What was left over of the blues standards became rock and roll..silly shit like Buddy Holly and the doo-wop stuff. Miles Davis is what happened to contemporary jazz when it became psychedelic. McLaughlin, Pastorius, Corea, Holdsworth et al is what happened to psychedelic jazz when it became jazz fusion. In the back ground rock and roll continues to evolve into heavy metal for the meat heads and pop music for the geeks. The last great intellectual renaissance in modern music was the progressive rock jazz fusion dialectic. Classical is dead.. it fell asleep and never woke up.

Gabriel's beginnings are with Genesis. I'm not talking about the eighties Shock the Monkey stuff. Have you even heard the old Genesis, Trixie? Like Foxtrot or Selling England By The Pound? This is some of the best progressive rock ever made.. and a precursor for fusion. You call Gabriel the best composer of the twentieth century and yet you don't know anything about him other than Sledge Hammer. Ha! What a joke.

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Re: Was the Great Musician Frank Zappa also a Graet Philosop

Postby Arminius » Mon Aug 24, 2015 8:05 pm

@ Great and Wise Trixie.

The genres of Frank Zappa's music I found (chronological order):

Rock, progressive rock, avant garde, experimental rock, doo-wop, spoken word, 20th century classic music, psychedelic rock, rock and roll, jazz, instrumental rock, jazz fusion, comedy rock, hard rock, heavy metal, parody of disco, punk rock, symphonic rock, rock opera, reggae, art rock, electronic rock, chamber music, computer music. *

To me the following genres are warranted in terms of Zappa's music:

Rock, progressive rock, experimental rock, instrumental rock, jazz fusion, comedy rock, symphonic rock, rock opera. *

And the common denominator of Zappa's music is:

Rock!
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Great and wise is to realise that the music of Frank Zappa and his Mothers of Invention was also associated to the progressive rock genre; so you should not deny it, Trixie.

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* To me the late 1960's and especially the early 1970's were the best time of rock music. So some of the genres that are mentioned above are not that important to me.
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Re: Was the Great Musician Frank Zappa also a Graet Philosop

Postby Arminius » Mon Aug 24, 2015 8:28 pm

Zoot Allures wrote:Have you even heard the old Genesis, Trixie? Like Foxtrot or Selling England By The Pound? This is some of the best progressive rock ever made....

I totally agree and add "Trespass" and "Nursery Crime".

Listen to it:
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONMSJREZkt4
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJ-I0htgXYI
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_9MKJCc3dw
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Rn9tzirks4

After those albums the time of Genesis was already almost over - unfortunately!

But do not forget the music productions of Jethro Tull, Pink Floyd, and most of the other progressive rock bands - all of the same time (about 1968-1973). Great!
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Re: Was the Great Musician Frank Zappa also a Graet Philosop

Postby GreatandWiseTrixie » Mon Aug 24, 2015 8:49 pm

Zoot Allures wrote:Blues standards started with the negroes. Ragtime jazz and contemporary jazz is what happened to the standard blues when it was modified by smart, musically literate white people who feel asleep while litsening to the boring classical symphony. What was left over of the blues standards became rock and roll..silly shit like Buddy Holly and the doo-wop stuff. Miles Davis is what happened to contemporary jazz when it became psychedelic. McLaughlin, Pastorius, Corea, Holdsworth et al is what happened to psychedelic jazz when it became jazz fusion. In the back ground rock and roll continues to evolve into heavy metal for the meat heads and pop music for the geeks. The last great intellectual renaissance in modern music was the progressive rock jazz fusion dialectic. Classical is dead.. it fell asleep and never woke up.

Gabriel's beginnings are with Genesis. I'm not talking about the eighties Shock the Monkey stuff. Have you even heard the old Genesis, Trixie? Like Foxtrot or Selling England By The Pound? This is some of the best progressive rock ever made.. and a precursor for fusion. You call Gabriel the best composer of the twentieth century and yet you don't know anything about him other than Sledge Hammer. Ha! What a joke.

I'm gonna school you later on after work today, kid. Pick a seat.


You are a fucking fool, do you know that? I wasn't talking about his eighties shit, you fucking shmuck. I was talking about original Genesis, shit for brains. Stop making stupid assumptions about people you do not know because it makes you look foolish.

Blues is rubbish, nigger music. Whites who don't like classical music are genetic fusions of the lower caste.
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Re: Was the Great Musician Frank Zappa also a Graet Philosop

Postby Magnus Anderson » Mon Aug 24, 2015 8:53 pm

It does not matter what progressive rock she likes because progressive rock, like most other rock, is generally rubbish. I don't see the connection to classical music either.

Electric guitar, in general, is rubbish.
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Re: Was the Great Musician Frank Zappa also a Graet Philosop

Postby Zoot Allures » Mon Aug 24, 2015 10:02 pm

Uncle Meat is in the basement of his secret laboratory. The lights are dim. All around the basement mysterious wires and cables dangle over, out of, around and through an unlikely collection of dust-covered desks, trunks, umbrella stands, and a huge maroon sofa, terminating in a fake maple book case like you might get if you ordered the whole Collier's Encyclopedia at one time.

Stu (which is Uncle Meat's first name) crouches malignantly near the book case, fumbling through a stack of books, records, newspaper clippings, religious pamphlets, and campaign buttons. He applies light friction to the rash on his throat, muttering "Yes, yes ... it's all here ... every bit of it ... everything I need to create my greatest masterpiece!"

Excitedly stuffing the whole bundle into the topmost empty shelf of the book case, Stu dodges swiftly to the desk, applies his protective green visor and garden gloves, laughs his special pseudo-scientific laugh, and jerks vigorously on the handle of that big electrical switch he uses all the time. As you might expect, big sparks poot out of everything and the overhead bulb blinks on and off. A filtered cello section goes DUNT DUNT DUNNNNN, but you can't hear it because the sound effects are too loud.

When he turns the switch off, all the sparks stop, and all the noise stops, and the books & pamphlets, etc. have vanished. In their place, outside the lab, not more than 5 furlongs distant, is a life-size, minutely detailed, historically inaccurate, somewhat perverted illusionary replica of ANCIENT ROME or something.

The ruler of this illusion is CLETUS AWREETUS-AWRIGHTUS, otherwise known as FRANK, The Funky Emperor. CLETUS (FRANK) has a fantastic army of unemployed musicians. Him and the army run the place when they're not out fighting the war with the illusionary arch-villain, MEDIOCRATES OF PEDESTRIUM, otherwise known as THE GREAT AND WISE TRIXIE. MEDIOCRATES (TRIXIE) also has a fantastic army. These two armies punch out every week on Monday. Score of the weekly battle is posted on billboards, telephone-pole flyers, spray-painted aqueducts, and stone tables called THE CHARTS (ILP FORUM).

Every emperor, funky or not, has problems to deal with, and CLETUS (FRANK) is no exception. Aside from the long-drawn war, there is a problem of civic unrest. A grotesque cult of masochistic ascetic fanatics who don't like music has sprung up in the catacombs beneath the emperor's very sauna bath. These people are called QUESTIONS (ILP MEMBERS).

CLETUS (FRANK) deals with them benevolently in the civic auditorium. After they are captured and held in abeyance for on while, announcements are made to the rest of the PUBLIC AT LARGE proclaiming a FESTIVAL.

The QUESTIONS (ILP MEMBERS) are stampeded into your usual dirt-floor oval arena. It is at this point CLETUS (FRANK), in full regalia enters, and speaks to the QUESTIONS (ILP MEMBERS) through an oversize primitive-but-effective megaphone known as THE GRAND WAZOO. First he says, "Hi, cats & kittens!", to which the audience responds: "AWREETUS! AWRIGHTUS! AWREETUS, CLETUS!" Whereupon the emperor asks: "Any you folks sing, dance, or play a musical instrument?"

In some rare instances a QUESTION (ILP MEMBER) or two will arise from the fanatics and raise his or her hand to signify some repressed talent or interest in things of a musical nature. These reformed QUESTIONS (ILP MEMBERS) are permitted to leave the arena and join CLETUS's (FRANK'S) army (which is, in reality, a BIG BAND). Instead of boot-camp, they get sent to work in one of the many beer-dispensing topless/bottomless night clubs under the careful instruction of a sensitive, understanding CLUB OWNER who will train them for the big stuff.

The QUESTIONS (ILP MEMBERS) that don't answer the first time are given a second chance when a scantily-clad nubile maiden dashes into their midst with gaily painted cardboard box containing SPOONS, and, if they show some indication of natural rhythm in the use thereof, they are released and sent to Nashville.

Having been as fair as possible to the prisoners, CLETUS (FRANK) must now, regretfully, dispose of the ones who refuse to alter their unmusical ways. Bowing his head in official sadness, he gives the secret cue to the electric piano player in the pit orchestra, who cranks off a funky intro. At the conclusion of this, signified by the entrance of the drum set and electric guitars, a procession of union reps, squealers, goons, and contractors, all tastefully dressed, tug mightily on the end of strain-resistant nylon hauser, which propels a disturbingly large Radio Flyer wagon into the center of the arena.

The wagon contains a giant aquarium sort of thing, in which we see writhing an impressive amount of U.D.T. (Un-Differentiated Tissue), a symbolic accumulation of all the statistical errors and failed attempts of this empire's illusionary scientific community. The fetid tank is towed to within lethal proximity of the unmusicals. The union people go away, as they always do, and, after receiving a series of congratulations, awards, business cards, and fund donations, hold a board meeting off to the side, wherein it is unanimously decided to provide an ultimate solution for the QUESTIONS (ILP MEMBERS). The solution itself is released when a high guitar twang shatters the glass of the U.D.T. tank. It burbles and fumes for a few moments, finally gulping them all down. A hush falls over the arena as the vapors dissipate and the pit orchestra makes triumphal reprise of the opening figure.

After the fun of the arena: it's back to work as usual for CLETUS (FRANK). He returns to his regal chamber for a formal dinner with his staff. On his right, the ones that give him the support he needs; ERRONEOUS (ARMINIUS), his bass player, GREGARIOUS (ZOOT ALLURES), his drummer, and PER DIEM, his roadie.

On his left, he keeps those other kind of people that tend to hang out with your average emperor: TRIVIA, a hot girl who likes to get flogged, CRETINOUS, the biographer, NEFARIOUS, the guy with the long, stringy moustache who gives advice, EQUILIBRIUM, the pharmacist, DYSMENHORREA, the squinting female oracle, PHOTON, the lighting director, and so forth down the table.

Each week, at the same point in the dinner ceremony, just before they serve the oiled pessaries, an exhausted runner crashes through the doors, falls to his knees before the emperor, and wheezes: "They're coming! Quickly! We'll be surrounded!" The runner is then revived (he always blacks out right then) with a transistor radio tuned to Wolfman Jack. Once his consciousness has been regained, guards remove him to another area where he is pumped and waxed for further information.

CLETUS (FRANK) immediately calls his service. Instructors are given for BEN-HUR BARRET to contract the whole army (if Motown will let him take any outside jobs, this being perhaps the most outside job he could get). The combined forces of the Army Awreetus include 5,000 brass players (assorted) which is the AIR FORCE, 5,000 drummers (assorted) which is THE ARTILLERY, 5,000 players of electric instruments (assorted) which is THE CHEMICAL / BIOLOGICAL / PSHYCOLOGICAL WARFARE SECTION, and 5,000 guys with masonite boards strapped on their chests, each one firmly grasping half a coconut shell in either hand which they pummel rhythmically on the board... this is THE CAVALRY. CLETUS leads them into battle with his gleaming MYSTERY HORN (many believe this instrument to be nothing more than a "C" Melody Saxophone, borrowed from Jackie Kelso).

The enemy army of MEDIOCRATES OF PEDESTRIUM (TRIXIE) (known as THE M.O.P.) has similar sections, except for a new platoon of sinister mercenaries called THE STRING SECTION, or alternately, THE SWEETENER. The main difference between the two armies, however, is THE M.O.P. is heavy on vocals.

THE M.O.P. has 5,000 dynamic male vocalists in tuxedos who stand in the middle of the road, loosen their bow ties, and arch one eyebrow, 5,000 dynamic male vocalists with fringed smocks, tunics, jumpers, and Nudie shirts, 5,000 dynamic (but carefully understated) male vocalists in old Levi clothes who cry, sulk, whimper, and play harmonica, plus 5,000 more dynamic performers of indeterminate sex who can't sing at all, but dance good and do hot moves with the mike wire.

These are reinforced by 100,000 black girl backup singers (assorted) who sway in a trained manner and get funky on command. As if that weren't enough, there's another 5,000 girl Lead Singers, many of which are so sensitive they're invisible and the rest of which are so overwhelming they hurt your eyes whenever the light gets on them.

Every Monday, THE M.O.P. marches into Awreetus Country and lines up outside the main metropolitan area. By means of small-but-powerful portable transmitter, the combined forces of MEDIOCRATES (TRIXIE) proceed to croon, strut, blither, and bloop a suspiciously accessible barrage of DITTIES into the airwaves in an attempt to anesthetize the decent townspeople into drooling submission.

CLETUS (FRANK) 'n the Army Awreetus defend their turf by marching to a nearby hummock and playing a shuffle.

... and so the battle begins!!




Mike Altschul - woodwind
Bill Byers - trombone solo
Joanna Caldwell - woodwind
Earl Dumler - woodwind
Aynsley Dunbar - drums
Tony Duran - bottleneck guitar solo on "the Grand Wazoo", guitar
Erroneous (Alex Dmochowski) - bass
Alan Estes - percussion
Fred Jackson - woodwind
Sal Marquez - vocals, trumpet solo
Malcolm McNab - brass
Janet Neville-Ferguson – vocals
Tony "Bat Man" Ortega - woodwind
Don Preston - minimoog
Johnny Rotella - woodwind
Ken Shroyer - "contractor and spiritual guidance"
Ernie Tack - brass
Frank Zappa - opening guitar solo on "the Grand Wazoo", guitar
Bob Zimmitti - percussion

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Re: The Great Musician Frank Zappa and His Philosophy.

Postby Lev Muishkin » Mon Aug 24, 2015 11:20 pm

My favorite zappa song

Did a vehicle
Come from somewhere out there
Just to land in the Andes?
Was it round
And did it have
A motor
Or was it
Something
Different
George: So white, Don, I have never seen nothing like that in my entire life!
Napoleon: Whose python boot is that? Hey, rush it! What?
FZ: Why don't you sharpen it then?
George: It was round . . . bold . . . I could . . . couldn't . . . What's that white thing doin' up there?
Napoleon: You whose? Hush! Wait a minute!
FZ: Mother Mary and Jozuf!
Did a vehicle
Did a vehicle
Did a vehicle
Fly along the mountains
And find a place to park itself
Park it
Se-e-e-elf
(PARK IT . . . PARK IT)
Or did someone
Build a place
To leave a space
For such a thing to land
Did a vehicle
Come from somewhere out there
Did a vehicle come
From somewhere out there
Did the Indians, first on the bill
Carve up the hill
Did a booger-bear
Come from somewhere out there
Just to land in the Andes?
Was she round
And did she have a motor
Or was she something different
Guacamole Queen
Guacamole Queen
Guacamole Queen
At the Armadillo in Austin Texas, her aura,
Or did someone build a place
Or leave a space for Chester's Thing to land
(Chester's Thing . . . on Ruth)
Did a booger-bear
Come from somewhere out there
Did a booger-bear
Come from somewhere out there
Did the Indians, first on the bill
Carve up her hill
On Ruth
On Ruth
That's Ruth.

I never saw Zappa on stage but was lucky enough to see his son Baby Zappa come to Brighton to play his Dad's material.
What was always great about FZ, was the remarkable musicianship; his son has maintained that tradition.

"Science is entirely Faith Based.... Obama is Muslim....Evil is the opposition to life (e-v-i-l <=> l-i-v-e ... and not by accident). Without evil there could be no life.", James S. Saint.
"The Holocaust was the fault of the Jews; The Holocaust was not genocide", Kriswest
"A Tortoise is a Turtle", Wizard
" Hitler didn't create the Nazis. In reality, the Judists did ... for a purpose of their own. Hitler was merely one they chose to head it up after they discovered the Judist betrayal in WW1, their "Judas Iscariot";James S Saint.
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Re: Was the Great Musician Frank Zappa also a Graet Philosop

Postby Lev Muishkin » Mon Aug 24, 2015 11:24 pm

Magnus Anderson wrote:Pretty much any random classical piece of decent quality can destroy anything I've ever heard from Zappa. Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata? Sure. Samuel Barber's Adagio for Strings? Sure. Scriabin's Etude Op 8 No 12? Sure. Mozart's Little Serenade? Sure. Mendelssohn's Violin Concerto? Sure. Need I go on? Even film music and trailer music (e.g. Two Steps from Hell) is better than most of rock 'n' roll.


Cheese and Wine are both good and not comparable.
Tempranillo cannot "destroy" Stilton.
You are a philistine.

"Science is entirely Faith Based.... Obama is Muslim....Evil is the opposition to life (e-v-i-l <=> l-i-v-e ... and not by accident). Without evil there could be no life.", James S. Saint.
"The Holocaust was the fault of the Jews; The Holocaust was not genocide", Kriswest
"A Tortoise is a Turtle", Wizard
" Hitler didn't create the Nazis. In reality, the Judists did ... for a purpose of their own. Hitler was merely one they chose to head it up after they discovered the Judist betrayal in WW1, their "Judas Iscariot";James S Saint.
These just keep getting funnier.
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Re: The Great Musician Frank Zappa and His Philosophy.

Postby Zoot Allures » Mon Aug 24, 2015 11:27 pm

Oh that's my shit, Lev! Inca Roads. I wasn't going to post this one yet because I didn't want to challenge Trixie and Magnus with the more advanced material. They are ready for this level yet.



Look, I can sing this whole part without missing a beat (at 8:06):

Did a booger-bear
Come from somewhere out there
Just to land in the Andes?
Was she round
And did she have a motor
Or was she something different
Guacamole Queen
Guacamole Queen
Guacamole Queen
At the Armadillo in Austin Texas, her aura,
Or did someone build a place
Or leave a space for Chester's Thing to land
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Re: Was the Great Musician Frank Zappa also a Graet Philosop

Postby Magnus Anderson » Mon Aug 24, 2015 11:38 pm

Lev Muishkin wrote:
Magnus Anderson wrote:Pretty much any random classical piece of decent quality can destroy anything I've ever heard from Zappa. Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata? Sure. Samuel Barber's Adagio for Strings? Sure. Scriabin's Etude Op 8 No 12? Sure. Mozart's Little Serenade? Sure. Mendelssohn's Violin Concerto? Sure. Need I go on? Even film music and trailer music (e.g. Two Steps from Hell) is better than most of rock 'n' roll.


Cheese and Wine are both good and not comparable.
Tempranillo cannot "destroy" Stilton.
You are a philistine.


Your analogy isn't a good one because we aren't making a comparison between cheese and wine but between wine and urine. Hedonists, being disconnected from their needs, not knowing what they really need, are hyper-omnivorous which means they are indiscriminate in their choice of consumption -- they consume everything, including urine.

Just because you can listen to everything does not mean everything is equal.
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Re: The Great Musician Frank Zappa and His Philosophy.

Postby Magnus Anderson » Mon Aug 24, 2015 11:51 pm

Also, don't make a mistake in assuming that just because I dislike something it must be that I am completely ignorant about it. I have a taste in almost every musical genre, I am not as restrained as you think I am nor as I'd like to be. Zoot, for example, knows very well that I have a taste in jazz fusion (as well as jazz in general.) This, however, in no way disproves my main point, which is that jazz is rubbish, something I'd never listen to if I were as disciplined as I'd like to be. I can listen to pretty much anything because I, too, am hyper-omnivorous in a sense.
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Re: The Great Musician Frank Zappa and His Philosophy.

Postby Zoot Allures » Tue Aug 25, 2015 12:19 am

Zoot, for example, knows very well that I have a taste in jazz fusion


Whynchu gimme a link to some more of that fart-ass bass you posted before? The one with the mad asian chick with the crazy hair on keyboards.
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Re: Was the Great Musician Frank Zappa also a Graet Philosop

Postby Arminius » Tue Aug 25, 2015 6:37 pm

Magnus Anderson wrote:Electric guitar, in general, is rubbish.

An interesting statemnet. Do you mean that the elctric guitar - the first one occured about 1920 - brought the nihilism / decadence to the musicians?
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Re: Was the Great Musician Frank Zappa also a Graet Philosop

Postby Lev Muishkin » Tue Aug 25, 2015 6:56 pm

Magnus Anderson wrote:
Lev Muishkin wrote:
Magnus Anderson wrote:Pretty much any random classical piece of decent quality can destroy anything I've ever heard from Zappa. Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata? Sure. Samuel Barber's Adagio for Strings? Sure. Scriabin's Etude Op 8 No 12? Sure. Mozart's Little Serenade? Sure. Mendelssohn's Violin Concerto? Sure. Need I go on? Even film music and trailer music (e.g. Two Steps from Hell) is better than most of rock 'n' roll.


Cheese and Wine are both good and not comparable.
Tempranillo cannot "destroy" Stilton.
You are a philistine.


Your analogy isn't a good one because we aren't making a comparison between cheese and wine but between wine and urine. Hedonists, being disconnected from their needs, not knowing what they really need, are hyper-omnivorous which means they are indiscriminate in their choice of consumption -- they consume everything, including urine.

Just because you can listen to everything does not mean everything is equal.


But this is what I am telling you you prick.
Modern music is NOT the same as Classical.

Most of Zappa's music Is more complex; harder to play; and requiring greater musicianship than the entire Classical Cannon. You are just an ignorant punk kid who pretends to like classical music.

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Re: The Great Musician Frank Zappa and His Philosophy.

Postby Lev Muishkin » Tue Aug 25, 2015 7:04 pm

Zoot Allures wrote:Oh that's my shit, Lev! Inca Roads. I wasn't going to post this one yet because I didn't want to challenge Trixie and Magnus with the more advanced material. They are ready for this level yet.




Peerless!!!

"Science is entirely Faith Based.... Obama is Muslim....Evil is the opposition to life (e-v-i-l <=> l-i-v-e ... and not by accident). Without evil there could be no life.", James S. Saint.
"The Holocaust was the fault of the Jews; The Holocaust was not genocide", Kriswest
"A Tortoise is a Turtle", Wizard
" Hitler didn't create the Nazis. In reality, the Judists did ... for a purpose of their own. Hitler was merely one they chose to head it up after they discovered the Judist betrayal in WW1, their "Judas Iscariot";James S Saint.
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Re: The Great Musician Frank Zappa and His Philosophy.

Postby Zoot Allures » Tue Aug 25, 2015 11:50 pm

Most of Zappa's music Is more complex; harder to play; and requiring greater musicianship than the entire Classical Cannon. You are just an ignorant punk kid who pretends to like classical music.


Now run home slow, eat some prunes, and think about the mean things you've said about uncle Frank, Magnus.
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