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Postby Aegean » Sat Dec 07, 2019 3:43 pm

Urwrongx1000 wrote:Is ignorance an excuse for responsibility?

Worshiping the mind, means only the lucid mind - Ego.
The degenerate considers himself "innocent" because he did not 'consent', did not offer a conscious agreement, did not consciously choose.
He dismisses the continuous automatic reactivity of the body.
He does not identify with it - see curent identity crisis - denial of the body's judgments and reactions to stimuli. The body is not the person....only the ego is.
So, what the body chooses, how it acts, is not acknowledged as belonging to the self, by the schizoids.
The body is separate...other than.
See how a male can then claim to be trapped in a female body.

The body's choices are not recognized as the ego's choices. It is innocent' of them.

Free-Will is about choices.
Each choice participating I the determination of all subsequent options to be chosen from.
Power is about having access to choices...because most of he time we are aware of options we have no power to choose.
This is the relationship of power and freedom. Increased power means more options can be chosen.

Notice the power relationship between chooser and chosen. It is ingrained in the Abrahamic psyche, and all of those tribes, in particular, cary it as an innate quality.
Messianism, salvation myths, sexual neurosis and paraphilia, all part of increasing self-awareness and an established - tradition - method of coping with it.
But that aside…
If free-will is properly defined - i.e., connected to an observable, verifiable, falsifiable, empirical action, behaviour, pattern - then not only is it not defined out of existence, but it is observable.
Choice is the action of free-will.
But people experience the consequences of their own choices, after the fact. There's a lag between reaction, action and awareness, equal to the brain's processing speeds - metabolic rhythms.
So, an individual experiences the consequence of its own actions and choices, as if some other had performed them in the past.
It does not accept impulsive, automated actions as belonging to itself - its responsibility. If it did not reason through the choice it denies responsibility of the consequences.
This creates a mind/body dissonance.
it is possible for the body to react and act, according to evolved automatic programming, while the mind is dominated by an ideology that is contrary to this.
Gene/meme conflict. most often experienced among nihilists.
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Postby Urwrongx1000 » Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:59 pm

promethean75 wrote:https://voca.ro/1SVOkExhiif

The point is, people are either majorly in-control of themselves or they're not. People either generally accept the consequences of "their actions" or they don't. Now, using a freak-occurrence, being hit by lightning, is not being intellectually honest. People do not have complete control over themselves/existence/environment. There will always be areas of loss-of-control; it is within these areas that the 'Eternal Victims' justify the basis of their thinking, and then apply it to all other areas. Prom, weren't you "determined" to get shot in the eye? You constantly admit to Determinism and Hard-Determinism, so yes, you were. Who determined that it would happen, or that a person should get struck by lightning, except God? Fate? Destiny?

If you insist on walking outside during thunderstorms then you should be slightly cognizant of the risk.
Yes there is a risk your bus driver can fall asleep or into a coma while driving.
Yes there is a risk a drunk driver will veer into your car headfirst on a road.
Yes there is a risk of engine failure or terrorist hijacking during a plane ride.
Yes a piano can fall on your head, out of Heaven-itself.
Yes aliens can tractor-beam your car.

Risk in existence. By accepting that risk, to live and to die, you will begin to become responsible for yourself. There is nothing "complete or absolute". But it's a "higher" degree than any form of Nihilism, denial, and being Eternally The Victim.
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Postby Urwrongx1000 » Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:34 pm

Expanding on what Aegean just mentioned.... Prom and others (Silhouette),

Why are only part of "your actions" what you can take responsibility for? Why is only your conscious existence, the source of your self-responsibility, if you have any? You're not responsible for yourself, when you can't remember what happened? When you weren't awake? When you were drugged? Why is it, only when you have full control over yourself, or mostly, that you are self-responsible?

Why is only the Adult version of you, responsible for yourself? If you have any degree of "Free-Will", then why now, but not then? What changed?

Is it based on the time of day? 2:00pm to 3:00pm is the "I'm responsible for myself" hour, the rest of the day is wasted?
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Postby Aegean » Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:08 am

Responsibility is about accepting the unforeseeable as being possible.
Accepting it as part of man's ignorance.
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Postby Aegean » Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:28 pm

in the debate between Sam Harris and Daniel Dennett we witness the effect genes have on memes.
Semitic blood versus European blood.
It shapes an individual's relationship with reality.
His/Her spirit.

Slavishness can be inherited as a potential towards that psychological demeanour.
Ideologies are gene specific, because they emerge from within particular tribes relating to specific environments.
Race is about inherited potentials.

Indo-European genealogy versus Afro-Asiatic genealogy.
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Postby promethean75 » Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:36 pm

That's obviously why Harris doesn't believe in freewill, and dennett does. Harris's great great great great great great grandfather was a negro Zulu shaman, while dennett's was a noble Viking warrior.
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Postby Aegean » Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:39 pm

How far you go when you are the perfect example of a confused Semite.

All these crazies on ILP share your mixed-upness.
Is it coincidental?
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Postby promethean75 » Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:46 pm

They've recently discovered a gene that makes Cartesian dualism incomprehensible to those who carry it. So far the gene has only been discovered in negros, Asians and camel jockeys.
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Postby Aegean » Sun Dec 08, 2019 2:09 pm

Sarcasm is defensive.
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Postby Aegean » Sun Dec 08, 2019 2:11 pm

Belief in an absolute, call it god, call it on, call it universe....is part of a heritage.

Usually, recovering Abrahamics go into Marxism.
The need for an external authority is too strong. Famine spirits.
Missing fathers.
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Postby promethean75 » Sun Dec 08, 2019 2:13 pm

you got me. what can i say. my sarcasm isn't really a mode of addressing something so ridiculous, it can't be taken seriously... but instead a means to conceal my embarrassment before insights too extraordinary for me to comprehend.
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Postby Aegean » Sun Dec 08, 2019 2:16 pm

The power of the nil.
Negate, dismiss, reject...laugh.

The formula works for you.

The inclination towards authoritarianism is genetic. Yet, genetic inheritance can be cultivated or allowed to atrophy - Nurture/Nature.
An inherited weakness can be cultivated.

Semites inherit that weakness.
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Postby promethean75 » Sun Dec 08, 2019 2:31 pm

The power of the nil.
Negate, dismiss, reject...laugh.


Yup. The other day some guy tried to tell me two plus two equals five. I disagreed. And do you know that guy had the nerve to call me a nihilist? I told him 'yeah, I'mma nihilist, but not because two plus two doesn't equal five.'
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Postby Aegean » Sun Dec 08, 2019 2:34 pm

There ya go.
It's been working for you.
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Postby Aegean » Sun Dec 08, 2019 2:36 pm

Has anyone watched E. Michael Jones?
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Postby Aegean » Sun Dec 08, 2019 2:44 pm

The problem is not 1+1=2.
It is the belief that the one exists independent from the mind. The literal belief in a one.
That is psychological, and psychology is inherited.

Like confusing a representation for the represented.
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Postby promethean75 » Sun Dec 08, 2019 2:46 pm

Has anyone watched E. Michael Jones?


I have not. Would you like to tell me a bit about him?
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Postby Aegean » Sun Dec 08, 2019 2:49 pm

Nah...I've learned not to waste my time on the brain dead.
Let's keep it light and smarmy.
Give me a pun....
Let's laugh....like the buddies that we've become over the years.

We've been through a lot, you and I.
I know shit about you, you've never told. It makes me feel close to you.
Plus, you've posted so much material...videos lectures, you shouting at your mother.
I have enough material.
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Postby promethean75 » Sun Dec 08, 2019 2:55 pm

It is the belief that the one exists independent from the mind.


It's this kind of radical berkeleyean empiricism that has sabotaged philosophy for centuries and made of the word 'mind' something completely unintelligeable. Following this, all manner of linguistic problems arise that are thought to be conceptual. See Peter hacker on this, but not wittgenstein. Stay away from that guy if ya know what's good for ya.
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Postby promethean75 » Sun Dec 08, 2019 3:07 pm

I know shit about you, you've never told.


I've always been a star in the tabloids.

Plus, you've posted so much material...videos lectures, you shouting at your mother.


I use philosophy forums for social media platforms. My premise: they're smarter than the Facebook crowd, but not quite smart enough to do philosophy. My conclusion: do what I would do on Facebook, here, instead, and keep an eye out for anything philosophical.

So far so good. I'm around people who are just smart enough to recognize my greatness, but not smart enough to solicit my interests in bothering to argue with them over their nonsense.
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Postby promethean75 » Sun Dec 08, 2019 3:08 pm

... although I admit, sometimes I fail and post something other than a joke or a video.
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Postby Aegean » Sun Dec 08, 2019 3:14 pm

Aren't you one of many 'great nos" on ILP?
Hard to keep track of so many geniuses.
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Postby promethean75 » Sun Dec 08, 2019 4:40 pm

Aren't you one of many 'great nos" on ILP?


on the contrary, my good man, i am one of the 'great yeses', the great yea sayers! as long as there is an abundance of action, irony, comedy, and tragedy in the world, i am perfectly content with everything else that comes with it, and i have yet to discover that all the things you find so terrible in the world are really any cause for alarm. buffoons, messiahs, and all manner of excessively verbose grandiose clowns of no significance... none of this is a real problem. in every world there are 'extras', filler material... like the parts of the song that are just there to lengthen it but give it no real substance... that don't make that world worth looking at but are necessary for it to exist nonetheless. but i understand where you're coming from, what you'd like to see, and why you'd like to see it. especially what you'd like to prevent. i never objected to any of that provided you did not try to justify it philosophically. i'd rather just hear you declare 'i don't need to explain myself!' and charge forth on your horse. that's something i'd watch. but when you try to explain yourself philosophically, create excuses, and grant yourself license, my eye-lid starts to twitch and i have to say something. i just gotta. i can't bear to look at it, man.

so it's not 'that' you are what you are and do what you do, but 'why' and 'how' you defend yourself in being/doing so. this is where the comedy begins, where i shout 'yes! some action! it's go time!'

and regarding my recent turn back to the left, let me explain what has happened. it's really just a matter of aesthetics and taste and i wouldn't dare try to justify it philosophically. now as you know, i've never denied the basic principles of social darwinism or the economic processes through which we see it expressed. what has happened, though, is that i have found that the result of a specific predator/prey relationship (capitalist/working class) does not justify the advantage the predator is given over the prey. this is to say i've yet to see a capitalist that is great enough to justify my not wanting to interfere with this relationship, this social darwinistic dynamic. i'm not seeing a great enough distinction between exploiter and exploited to allow myself to respect and admire that dynamic. instead, what i am seeing is one ordinary person experience a great number of benefits at the expense of many other ordinary people. that being the case, it would make no sense to deny many ordinary people a number of luxuries so that a single ordinary person might have them.

now if you show me a planet on which a superior alien species has enslaved an inferior native species, i might not be disturbed by the social darwinism we observe there. this would be justifiable, because look at how awesome those aliens are. but here on earf, i just don't see it, bro. what i see here on earf is ugly, feeble, weak, conniving. those who rise to the top at the expense of the others, and who have been attempting to defend this rise by utilizing centuries of philosophical bullshit and subterfuge, offend my tastes. that's all. shirley you understand.

what i'm doing i don't do because i have thought long about it. i'm a nihilist. i don't think anymore. rather i follow my nose. i can smell it.
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Postby Urwrongx1000 » Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:58 pm



I haven't heard of him, but I do keep track of all these Pro-Censorship Anti-Free-Speech trends going on. The blotting-out of Eric Ciarmella's name, the supposed "Whistleblower" against Trump, is particularly interesting. Congress threatens anybody who "summons the name". The First Amendment is under attack.
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