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O Canada!

Postby Pandora » Fri Feb 02, 2018 8:47 am

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Re: O Canada!

Postby Jakob » Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:05 pm

Granted Canada's daughters are what matters. But its kind of a shame for those that did fight and die in wars for Canada. They happened, these sons, to be the liberators of my region of the Netherlands.
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Re: O Canada!

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Re: O Canada!

Postby Zero_Sum » Wed Feb 07, 2018 5:03 am

There are days I feel like it sucks being an American but afterwards I look over at Canada and feel a little bit better afterwards. 8)
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Re: O Canada!

Postby Gloominary » Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:02 am

changed from “in all thy sons command” to “in all of us command.”

It's just two words in our dumb anthem, it's totally irrelevant.
I couldn't care less whether it's gender neutral or not.
We all know women are legally superior to men in Canada and most of the western world, two words on an anthem composed in the 19th century or whenever wasn't holding them back.
That being said, 'in all of, us, command', really?
That's grammatically incorrect, it should be in all of our command.
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Re: O Canada!

Postby Zero_Sum » Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:18 am

The only places more depressing than the United States or Canada would be England, France, and Sweden. Those places are Orwellian nightmares, so there's that also.
"The condition of man... is a condition of war of everyone against everyone."

"I put for the general inclination of all mankind, a perpetual and restless desire of power after power, that ceaseth only in death."

-Thomas Hobbes-


"History is a set of lies agreed upon." - Napoleon Bonaparte

“To judge from the notions expounded by theologians, one must conclude that God created most men simply with a view to crowding hell.”― Marquis de Sade

“Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.”
― Robert A. Heinlein


"Republicans are red and democrats are blue, neither political party gives a flying fuck about you." - Unknown Origin

“In the architecture of their life some may display Potemkin happiness in view of hiding the dark features of their fair weather relationship, preferring to set up a window dressing of fake satisfaction rather than being rejected as emotional outcasts." Erik Pevernagie
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Re: O Canada!

Postby Gloominary » Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:59 am

Sweden's good in some ways, they have free healthcare and education, not that I trust the healthcare or education system entirely, but at least they're available for poor people.
They also have a high minimum wage, welfare and social services.
What I don't like about Sweden is all the censorship, political correctness and immigration, and what I don't like about the UK is all the gun control and government spying.
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Re: O Canada!

Postby Zero_Sum » Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:31 pm

Gloominary wrote:Sweden's good in some ways, they have free healthcare and education, not that I trust the healthcare or education system entirely, but at least they're available for poor people.
They also have a high minimum wage, welfare and social services.
What I don't like about Sweden is all the censorship, political correctness and immigration, and what I don't like about the UK is all the gun control and government spying.

There won't be a public social safety net of free health insurance or education in Sweden for long with the influx of foreigners being used as a lowered wage aggregate.

The U.K. resembles Sweden in an almost identical environment.
"The condition of man... is a condition of war of everyone against everyone."

"I put for the general inclination of all mankind, a perpetual and restless desire of power after power, that ceaseth only in death."

-Thomas Hobbes-


"History is a set of lies agreed upon." - Napoleon Bonaparte

“To judge from the notions expounded by theologians, one must conclude that God created most men simply with a view to crowding hell.”― Marquis de Sade

“Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.”
― Robert A. Heinlein


"Republicans are red and democrats are blue, neither political party gives a flying fuck about you." - Unknown Origin

“In the architecture of their life some may display Potemkin happiness in view of hiding the dark features of their fair weather relationship, preferring to set up a window dressing of fake satisfaction rather than being rejected as emotional outcasts." Erik Pevernagie
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Re: O Canada!

Postby Gloominary » Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:49 pm

Zero_Sum wrote:
Gloominary wrote:Sweden's good in some ways, they have free healthcare and education, not that I trust the healthcare or education system entirely, but at least they're available for poor people.
They also have a high minimum wage, welfare and social services.
What I don't like about Sweden is all the censorship, political correctness and immigration, and what I don't like about the UK is all the gun control and government spying.

There won't be a public social safety net of free health insurance or education in Sweden for long with the influx of foreigners being used as a lowered wage aggregate.

The U.K. resembles Sweden in an almost identical environment.

You're probably right about that.
Unfortunately, with all the Muslim immigrants, Sweden's relatively idyllic society could turn into a 3rd world Islamic ghetto by 2050.
I really wish we'd get our shit together and do more to protect workers, the environment and civilized peoples, but it doesn't look as tho that's going to happen.
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Re: O Canada!

Postby Zero_Sum » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:13 pm

Gloominary wrote:
Zero_Sum wrote:
Gloominary wrote:Sweden's good in some ways, they have free healthcare and education, not that I trust the healthcare or education system entirely, but at least they're available for poor people.
They also have a high minimum wage, welfare and social services.
What I don't like about Sweden is all the censorship, political correctness and immigration, and what I don't like about the UK is all the gun control and government spying.

There won't be a public social safety net of free health insurance or education in Sweden for long with the influx of foreigners being used as a lowered wage aggregate.

The U.K. resembles Sweden in an almost identical environment.

You're probably right about that.
Unfortunately, with all the Muslim immigrants, Sweden's relatively idyllic society could turn into a 3rd world Islamic ghetto by 2050.
I really wish we'd get our shit together and do more to protect workers, the environment and civilized peoples, but it doesn't look as tho that's going to happen.

The total collapse and destruction of our current societies followed by violent revolution is the only way going forward for anything to change, all other avenues or options have been thoroughly exhausted. There is no meaningful peaceful way to difuse any of this. This is where we're at in the moment.
"The condition of man... is a condition of war of everyone against everyone."

"I put for the general inclination of all mankind, a perpetual and restless desire of power after power, that ceaseth only in death."

-Thomas Hobbes-


"History is a set of lies agreed upon." - Napoleon Bonaparte

“To judge from the notions expounded by theologians, one must conclude that God created most men simply with a view to crowding hell.”― Marquis de Sade

“Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.”
― Robert A. Heinlein


"Republicans are red and democrats are blue, neither political party gives a flying fuck about you." - Unknown Origin

“In the architecture of their life some may display Potemkin happiness in view of hiding the dark features of their fair weather relationship, preferring to set up a window dressing of fake satisfaction rather than being rejected as emotional outcasts." Erik Pevernagie
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Re: O Canada!

Postby Gloominary » Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:11 pm

While you're probably right, I still have a little hope for a peaceful, or violent sociopolitical and economic revolution before the collapse.
And there will be a collapse, or at least a major decline, if civilization doesn't radically change course soon.
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Re: O Canada!

Postby Gloominary » Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:12 pm

It's unfortunate how totally unsustainable our civilization has become.
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Re: O Canada!

Postby Zero_Sum » Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:19 pm

Gloominary wrote:While you're probably right, I still have a little hope for a peaceful, or violent sociopolitical and economic revolution before the collapse.
And there will be a collapse, or at least a major decline, if civilization doesn't radically change course soon.
I would say that your hope is firmly misplaced and you better make plans for the more likely scenario.
"The condition of man... is a condition of war of everyone against everyone."

"I put for the general inclination of all mankind, a perpetual and restless desire of power after power, that ceaseth only in death."

-Thomas Hobbes-


"History is a set of lies agreed upon." - Napoleon Bonaparte

“To judge from the notions expounded by theologians, one must conclude that God created most men simply with a view to crowding hell.”― Marquis de Sade

“Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.”
― Robert A. Heinlein


"Republicans are red and democrats are blue, neither political party gives a flying fuck about you." - Unknown Origin

“In the architecture of their life some may display Potemkin happiness in view of hiding the dark features of their fair weather relationship, preferring to set up a window dressing of fake satisfaction rather than being rejected as emotional outcasts." Erik Pevernagie
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Re: O Canada!

Postby Zero_Sum » Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:22 pm

Gloominary wrote:It's unfortunate how totally unsustainable our civilization has become.


It's just nature intervening, when humanity destroys the fabric of nature or its own primal nature the natural life force of our planet intervenes where no level of contrived artifice can out match it even when we delude ourselves thinking that it can.
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"I put for the general inclination of all mankind, a perpetual and restless desire of power after power, that ceaseth only in death."

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"History is a set of lies agreed upon." - Napoleon Bonaparte

“To judge from the notions expounded by theologians, one must conclude that God created most men simply with a view to crowding hell.”― Marquis de Sade

“Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.”
― Robert A. Heinlein


"Republicans are red and democrats are blue, neither political party gives a flying fuck about you." - Unknown Origin

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Re: O Canada!

Postby Gloominary » Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:04 am

Zero_Sum wrote:
Gloominary wrote:It's unfortunate how totally unsustainable our civilization has become.


It's just nature intervening, when humanity destroys the fabric of nature or its own primal nature the natural life force of our planet intervenes where no level of contrived artifice can out match it even when we delude ourselves thinking that it can.

Ideally people would limit their competitive consumption.
Really there's only two fundamental options, the easy way: limit ourselves, or the hard way: run out of resources until many-most of us are starving, or dead.
endless growth on a finite planet is not an option.
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Re: O Canada!

Postby Gloominary » Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:44 am

Zero_Sum wrote:
Gloominary wrote:While you're probably right, I still have a little hope for a peaceful, or violent sociopolitical and economic revolution before the collapse.
And there will be a collapse, or at least a major decline, if civilization doesn't radically change course soon.
I would say that your hope is firmly misplaced and you better make plans for the more likely scenario.

While western civilization as a whole continues to grow economically, the growth has slowed down, at some point I'm expecting it to level off, then recede.
It's a process, and while it may happen overnight, I'm not expecting it to, I think it'll take decades, perhaps even centuries.

Civilizations tend to follow a bell curve, like Rome took centuries of weakening before it fell to German and Hunnic hoards, but I think our civilization was built on much shakier ground, so I'm not expecting it to last nearly as long.
Part of the reason why civilizations follow this curve is because they tend to over-expand.
The other reason is they're natural processes, and all processes have a beginning, middle and end, but often the end of one thing is the beginning of, something else.
How much this or these somethings resemble what preceded them depends on luck, and how well their antecedents were built.

As for the lower classes (which includes the so called 'middle class', a misnomer, because it's far, far...far closer to the bottom tier than the top, I mean as we saw in 08 and 09, a few bad days on the stock market is all that stands between the middle class' and abject poverty), they've been declining since at latest the 1980s, and will in all likelihood continue to do so, until either there's a revolution, or the elite manage to turn up the heat so seamlessly, the frogs never think to jump out of the pot...but something has to give, either the masses of asses wake up and change something, or, more likely, they'll continue to decline, until finally civilization as a whole will decline and then collapse, even for the elite (I mean the real elite, the 0.1%ers), many of whom will go into hiding on their private islands and in their underground bunkers and fortresses as the shit really starts to go down and there's no turning back.

That being said, for now at least, this is the world we're living in, and while it may crash tomorrow, like I said I'm not expecting it to, it'll probably take decades for all of this to unfold.
While it's good to prepare if you can, and I'm planning on making some preparations in the coming years, I'm also trying to enjoy my life and civilization, in spite of its many flaws, for what it is, as well as, challenge peoples perceptions of things a bit.
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Re: O Canada!

Postby Zero_Sum » Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:52 am

Gloominary wrote:
Zero_Sum wrote:
Gloominary wrote:It's unfortunate how totally unsustainable our civilization has become.


It's just nature intervening, when humanity destroys the fabric of nature or its own primal nature the natural life force of our planet intervenes where no level of contrived artifice can out match it even when we delude ourselves thinking that it can.

Ideally people would limit their competitive consumption.
Really there's only two fundamental options, the easy way: limit ourselves, or the hard way: run out of resources until many-most of us are starving, or dead.
endless growth on a finite planet is not an option.


It will be the later route and we both know that.

Also, check this out.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=193810&p=2692567#p2692567
"The condition of man... is a condition of war of everyone against everyone."

"I put for the general inclination of all mankind, a perpetual and restless desire of power after power, that ceaseth only in death."

-Thomas Hobbes-


"History is a set of lies agreed upon." - Napoleon Bonaparte

“To judge from the notions expounded by theologians, one must conclude that God created most men simply with a view to crowding hell.”― Marquis de Sade

“Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.”
― Robert A. Heinlein


"Republicans are red and democrats are blue, neither political party gives a flying fuck about you." - Unknown Origin

“In the architecture of their life some may display Potemkin happiness in view of hiding the dark features of their fair weather relationship, preferring to set up a window dressing of fake satisfaction rather than being rejected as emotional outcasts." Erik Pevernagie
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Re: O Canada!

Postby Zero_Sum » Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:52 am

Gloominary wrote:
Zero_Sum wrote:
Gloominary wrote:While you're probably right, I still have a little hope for a peaceful, or violent sociopolitical and economic revolution before the collapse.
And there will be a collapse, or at least a major decline, if civilization doesn't radically change course soon.
I would say that your hope is firmly misplaced and you better make plans for the more likely scenario.

While our civilization as a whole continues to economically grow, the growth has slowed down, at some point I'm expecting it to level off, then recede.
It's a process, and while it may happen overnight, I'm not expecting it to, I think it'll take decades, perhaps even centuries.

Civilizations tend to follow a bell curve, like Rome took centuries of weakening before it fell to German and Hunnic hoards, but I think our civilization was built on much shakier ground, so I'm not expecting it to last nearly as long.
Part of the reason why civilizations follow this curve is because they tend to overexpand, the other reason is just that they're a natural process, and all processes have a beginning, middle and end, but often the end of one thing is the beginning of something else, how much this something resembles what preceded it depends on luck, and how well its antecedents were built.

For the lower classes (which includes the so called 'middle class', a misnomer, because it's far, far closer to the bottom tier than the top, I mean as we saw in 08 and 09, a few bad days on the stock market is all that stands in between the middle class' and abject poverty), they've been declining since at latest the 1980s, and will in all likelihood continue to do so, until either there's a revolution, or the elite manage to turn up the heat so seamlessly, the frogs never think to jump out of the pot, but something has to give, either the masses of asses wake up and change something, or, more likely, they'll continue to declining, and finally civilization as a whole will decline, even for the elite (I mean the real elite, the 0.1%ers), many of whom will be hiding in their bunkers, underground fortresses and private islands, when the shit really starts to go down, and there's no turning back.

That being said, for now at least, this is the world we're living in, and while it may crash tomorrow, like I said I'm not expecting it to, it'll probably take decades for all of this to unfold.
While it's good to prepare if you can, and I'm planning on making some preparations myself in the coming years, I'm also trying to enjoy my life somewhat and civilization, in spite of all many flaws, for what it is, and also, challenge peoples perceptions of things a bit.



viewtopic.php?f=2&t=193810&p=2692567#p2692567
"The condition of man... is a condition of war of everyone against everyone."

"I put for the general inclination of all mankind, a perpetual and restless desire of power after power, that ceaseth only in death."

-Thomas Hobbes-


"History is a set of lies agreed upon." - Napoleon Bonaparte

“To judge from the notions expounded by theologians, one must conclude that God created most men simply with a view to crowding hell.”― Marquis de Sade

“Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.”
― Robert A. Heinlein


"Republicans are red and democrats are blue, neither political party gives a flying fuck about you." - Unknown Origin

“In the architecture of their life some may display Potemkin happiness in view of hiding the dark features of their fair weather relationship, preferring to set up a window dressing of fake satisfaction rather than being rejected as emotional outcasts." Erik Pevernagie
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Re: O Canada!

Postby Pandora » Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:39 am

SOGI 123 - lgbt curriculum for Canadian kids:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=TX0fgiifmm4

Canadian Christians outraged (12:15- 18:10)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=aCtXkGokD8A
“In Canada, parents rights are limited and children’s rights are put ahead, so the child has a right to be protected from the parents when they behave badly.” (~15:40). Damn!

Why couldn’t they just stay in their gay villages and mind their own business?
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Re: O Canada!

Postby Zero_Sum » Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:02 pm

Pandora wrote:SOGI 123 - lgbt curriculum for Canadian kids:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=TX0fgiifmm4

Canadian Christians outraged (12:15- 18:10)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=aCtXkGokD8A
“In Canada, parents rights are limited and children’s rights are put ahead, so the child has a right to be protected from the parents when they behave badly.” (~15:40). Damn!

Why couldn’t they just stay in their gay villages and mind their own business?

I always get the feeling Trudeau is the Canadian SJW version of Joel Osteen.

Pod people are real man.......
"The condition of man... is a condition of war of everyone against everyone."

"I put for the general inclination of all mankind, a perpetual and restless desire of power after power, that ceaseth only in death."

-Thomas Hobbes-


"History is a set of lies agreed upon." - Napoleon Bonaparte

“To judge from the notions expounded by theologians, one must conclude that God created most men simply with a view to crowding hell.”― Marquis de Sade

“Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.”
― Robert A. Heinlein


"Republicans are red and democrats are blue, neither political party gives a flying fuck about you." - Unknown Origin

“In the architecture of their life some may display Potemkin happiness in view of hiding the dark features of their fair weather relationship, preferring to set up a window dressing of fake satisfaction rather than being rejected as emotional outcasts." Erik Pevernagie
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