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Social Contract

Postby derleydoo » Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:23 pm

In another thread, Zoot Allures wrote:

that being said, when the criminal justice system betrays you, your social contract with the state is voided (see locke and hobbes). part of the civil contract is the obligation of government to behave itself. if it breaks the rules, you can break the rules. if you do not receive the rights, privileges, and luxuries of other citizens, you are no longer subject to society's laws, ipso facto exacto.


Can anyone pinpoint the books (chapters, sections) that deal with this subject?

Thanks
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Re: Social Contract

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Tue Jan 30, 2018 6:13 pm

derleydoo wrote:In another thread, Zoot Allures wrote:

that being said, when the criminal justice system betrays you, your social contract with the state is voided (see locke and hobbes). part of the civil contract is the obligation of government to behave itself. if it breaks the rules, you can break the rules. if you do not receive the rights, privileges, and luxuries of other citizens, you are no longer subject to society's laws, ipso facto exacto.


Can anyone pinpoint the books (chapters, sections) that deal with this subject?

Thanks


K: dear sir... Zoot is right about Locke, but wrong about Hobbes... Hobbes believed
in an absolute monarchy who can do no wrong....but Zoot is also being rather
creative in his understanding of the state.... he says, "when ithe criminal
justice system betrays you, your social contract witht the state is voided"
as if the criminal justice is all there is to the state...whereas Locke didn't
reference the criminal justice system, he commented that if the monarch
failed to keep his end of the bargin, then and only then can the subjects
deny their bargin with the state.... everything hobbes and locke wrote,
was in reference to either the events of 1640 and 1650 and then the
"Glorious Revolution of 1688"... either to defend those two events or
too attack them...Hobbes of course died in 1679 and so never saw
the Glorious revolution of 1688... but he would have been appalled
at the revolution of 1688 because he strongly believed in the absolute
right of kings....Locked of course lived until 1704....

Locke was about property....He said, "the reason why men enter into
society is the preservation of their property" and secondly this
"government has no other end, but the preservation of property"

so for him, governement existed to protect property... and if the government
failed to protect property, it was null and void (not his words but mine)
I believe it is in the "second treatise of civil government" in 1689, note the
date, that he defends the new arrangement of replacing the old king with
a new one, based on the idea that the old king failed to respect
property and the new guy will protect property....the old guy of course
being King James the second and the new guy being William the 3rd....

I hope this helped you... so trying reading Locke's "second treatise of civil
govenrment"..... as this is Locke defense of replacing the monarch....

your friend and servant

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Re: Social Contract

Postby derleydoo » Tue Jan 30, 2018 6:47 pm

Thank you, Mister Kropotkin, I knew I could rely on you. =D>

I am currently working on a tax return for 2016-17. Not going too well at the moment - 1% complete! It is supposed to be completed by 31st January. I am sure you can see my thought process! :)
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Re: Social Contract

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Tue Jan 30, 2018 6:55 pm

derleydoo wrote:Thank you, Mister Kropotkin, I knew I could rely on you. =D>

I am currently working on a tax return for 2016-17. Not going too well at the moment - 1% complete! It is supposed to be completed by 31st January. I am sure you can see my thought process! :)



K: I feel your pain my brother.... we have until April 15 to take care of such
unpleasantness....as my wife works for a CPA, he has done my taxes for
years... I just sign my name and boom, its done.......

hope you do it right... I would hate to have to write to you in prison :D

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Re: Social Contract

Postby derleydoo » Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:06 pm

Tearing my hair out. Reckon I am going to have to bite the bullet and pay out for an accountant. Thanks again for your help.
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