US Army is now recruiting mentally disturbed

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US Army is now recruiting mentally disturbed

Postby Pandora » Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:54 am

Great, now we are going to have more psychos with guns. What could possibly go wrong?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 853131001/
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Re: US Army is now recruiting mentally disturbed

Postby WendyDarling » Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:39 pm

Why would they ever waive bipolar applicants who cannot tolerate high amounts of stress without relapsing? The military...combat comes with ungodly stress. Sounds like a recipe for disaster and loss of lives above and beyond engaging in combat. Dum, dum, dum-dum.
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Re: US Army is now recruiting mentally disturbed

Postby Pandora » Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:42 am

What I find worrisome, other than the obvious, is that these people who harbor mental problems, will be rising in ranks (and they sure will...and likely for the wrong reasons, too). They may be able to suppress or hide whatever problems they are running away from until they reach position of power, but once they are placed in those positions where they are making calls for others, these things will inevitably come to surface, and that's going to be really bad for morale of the whole unit (after all, all shit comes down). And unlike the civilian environment, where you can just quit, in the military you don't have that many options in regards to your superiors. This is just my own take on it, because I've seen that happen. Of course, one can argue for giving such people a chance of overcoming their past and being a productive and fully functional members of an organization. Should we give them that chance? And will it be like a social experiment, where the social researchers will evaluate data as to what percentage with troubled history relapsed and what didn't? Because it really does sound like an experiment in the works. If you need more people, can you not find other ways to recruit more without having to worry about these extra variables? Why not just draft, or lift ban on weight or age instead?

I believe that this may also serve as a gateway for the queers to enter the military (despite what Trump is saying right now). The fact is, the transsexuals are a highly politicized group right now, and as things are going right now, they will not be left behind. Naturally, the military will hire top psychiatric experts to assist in design appropriate operating procedures to enforce, and military will usher in another living social experiment. Why is society so concerned about queers being in the military in the first place? If society allows them in, does it mean they will start enlisting in droves because so many want in, but are denied? I guess it helps to look at the motivating factors as well.

Interesting to note that the majority of trans people who have served in the military were male-to-female transsexuals.

Among those assigned male at birth, Gates found that 32% [of transgender] had served in the military, compared with 20% of men in the general population who had served.

For those assigned female at birth, that figure was 5.5%, compared with 1.7% of all women.


http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-tra ... story.html


George Brown's "flight into hypermasculinity" theory may explain why some male-to-female transsexuals have joined the military, and that is, basically, in an attempt to re-affirm their masculinity. From his 1988 study (Conclusion):

A phase of hypermasculinity seems to be experienced by gender-dysphoric males in this sample, usually during the middle to late adolescence, and variably sustained into young or middle adulthood. As a caricature of mature masculinity, the hypermasculinity adaptation in these males necessitates a way of being that is staunchly non feminine; risk-taking behaviors, machismo, and a facade of power are prized.

While some patients choose hypermasculine pursuits limited to contact sports, race car driving, or mountain climbing, an unknown number choose military services as quintessentially hypermasculine environment in which to purge their cross-gender identifications.

The prevalence of transsexualism in the armed forces may actually be much higher than in civilian population. This potentially increased loading of transsexuals in uniform may be due to the hypermasculine phase adaptation described and possibly to existing military policies. For example, it has been previously hypothesized that the number of homosexuals in the military is actually increased by mlitary policies that exclude women from the draft and concentrate on late adolescent males (Harry, 1984). This theory is predicated on the finding that the homosexual men who enlisted or were drafted at the age 17 or 18 did not yet "know" they were gay, as the median age of "coming out" (i.e. assuming a homosexual role) is 19 or 20 years (Dank, 1971; Harry and DeVall, 1978).

As miliary policies, formal and informal, serve to reaffirm values of masculinity and heterosexuality, they also serve as an enticement for the hypermasculine phase gender-dysphoric male who is frequently in this very age group.

There are numerous other motivations, overt and covert, underlying the decision to enlist in the military service. Many of these may have nothing or little to do with hypermasculinity, e.g. patriotism, desire to be in close quarters with other males, economic pragmatism in a difficult job market, method of escape from a malignant home enviroment. It is unclear what role these factors may play in the gender-dysphioc male population, in addition to the proposed hypermasculine defensive structure. More study is warranted on the prevelence of gender disorders in the military environment. Awareness of these problems, especially in the active duty force, is essential for the provision of the optimal health care in the context of the mission of Department of Defense. While information on the natural history of male gender dysphorics in the military is sparse, data on the prevalence of gender disorders in women who choose military careers is entirely lacking. This too, could be a fruitful avenue of inquiry in future studies in gender dysphoria in the military.

Transsexuals in the Military: Flight into Hypermasculinity
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If his theory regarding male-to-female transsexuals in the military is right, then allowing transsexuals into military may actually discourage them from enlisting based on his hypermasculinity defense theory. They may still join for other reasons, though, like free medical care. But if the military is full of women, queers, ex-drug users and mentally troubled who or why would want to join? I wonder what the next recruiting tactic will be (?)
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Re: US Army is now recruiting mentally disturbed

Postby Some Guy in History » Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:19 pm

Pandora wrote:Great, now we are going to have more psychos with guns. What could possibly go wrong?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 853131001/


Technically, they've been recruiting mentally disabled since the US began. Who else is going to go fight another persons war just to hold a gun and shoot people they dont even know?
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Re: US Army is now recruiting mentally disturbed

Postby Fixed Cross » Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:48 pm

Pandora wrote:Great, now we are going to have more psychos with guns. What could possibly go wrong?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 853131001/

It would seriously be very hard for someone not entirely sick to imagine ways in which it can go wrong in worse ways than in the 8 years under Obama, where the US army was basically just a means to get children into ovens and cook them alive. But yes, it still looks like it can get worse, with this new rule. Fortunately Isil (The Obama-Brigade) has been decimated in the meantime.

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Pandora wrote:Great, now we are going to have more psychos with guns. What could possibly go wrong?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 853131001/


Technically, they've been recruiting mentally disabled since the US began. Who else is going to go fight another persons war just to hold a gun and shoot people they dont even know?


Right. It would be much better for them to shoot people they do know.
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Re: US Army is now recruiting mentally disturbed

Postby Some Guy in History » Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:51 pm

Fixed Cross wrote:
Pandora wrote:Great, now we are going to have more psychos with guns. What could possibly go wrong?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 853131001/

It would seriously be very hard for someone not entirely sick to imagine ways in which it can go wrong in worse ways than in the 8 years under Obama, where the US army was basically just a means to get children into ovens and cook them alive. But yes, it still looks like it can get worse, with this new rule. Fortunately Isil (The Obama-Brigade) has been decimated in the meantime.

Some Guy in History wrote:
Pandora wrote:Great, now we are going to have more psychos with guns. What could possibly go wrong?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 853131001/


Technically, they've been recruiting mentally disabled since the US began. Who else is going to go fight another persons war just to hold a gun and shoot people they dont even know?


Right. It would be much better for them to shoot people they do know.



It would make a lot more sense.
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Re: US Army is now recruiting mentally disturbed

Postby Fixed Cross » Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:39 pm

Some Guy in History wrote:It would make a lot more sense.

Saddam Hussein agreed.
He forced children to shoot their own parents.
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