A Call To Men

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Re: A Call To Men

Postby WendyDarling » Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:22 am

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There’s something wrong with America’s girls.

As the story of Michelle Carter, an 18-year-old in Massachusetts who encouraged her 18-year-old boyfriend, Conrad Roy, to kill himself — which he did — winds through our media, it’s easy to wonder: What’s happening to young women?

Carter is charged with involuntary manslaughter, though it doesn’t quite seem so involuntary. She pressured Roy with texts saying “when are you going to do it?” even when he tried to change the subject and, when he got cold feet and exited his car filling with the carbon monoxide that would kill him, she texted him to “get back in.”

Male violence is still the more serious phenomenon, but female violence is on the rise in a big way. A study by the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration in 2010 found that one in four girls aged 12 to 17 have been involved in violent behavior. Yet we focus on boy violence, on the way they play rough-and-tumble with toy guns or on the so-called “rape culture” on campuses as if they’re the only ones involved in heinous crimes.

Another shocking story of the last year was that of the two girls in Waukesha, Wis., who attempted to stab their friend to death and left her for dead in the woods. Found by a cyclist as her organs were failing, the girl somehow survived. The initial story blamed “the Internet” — the perpetrators told police they’d committed the crime to please “Slender Man,” an Internet legend who apparently required a pre-teen girl as a sacrifice.

This story unraveled, however, as the girls acknowledged they knew Slender Man to be fake, yet tried to kill their friend anyway. All three girls were 12 years old at the time of the attack.

At the same time, the female prison population is soaring. The Netflix show “Orange Is the New Black” brought the female penitentiary to mainstream America.

While it portrayed some violence and less-than-savory interactions, the prison on the show is a federal correctional facility, often referred to as “camp,” and is modeled after the one where people like Leona Helmsley and singer Lauryn Hill did their bids and where “Real Housewives of New Jersey” star Theresa Giudice is currently serving time.

In other words, it won’t be where girls like Aniah Ferguson, 16, and the ringleader in an attack on another teen girl at a Brooklyn McDonald’s earlier this year, will end up. Ferguson had several prior arrests, including for punching her own grandmother, before she was arrested for beating a 15-year-old girl to a bloody pulp.

The fact is, by the time prison is on the horizon, just as for their male counterparts, it’s too late to save these girls. There’s an undefined cultural shift leading to this kind of violent behavior and while we’re frequently addressing it in boys, we seem to be ignoring it, or glossing over it, in girls.

There’s a lot of talk about the “mean girl,” the high school bully who tells you where to sit in the cafeteria and what day to wear purple. But the conversation rarely extends to the preteens plotting their friends’ murders.

In a Washington Post column last November, Patricia O’Brien, an associate professor at the Jane Addams College of Social Work at the University of Illinois at Chicago, argued that perhaps the solution to a 646 percent increase in female incarceration rates in the past 30 years would be to stop putting women in prison at all, ever, for any reason.

Pulling at the heartstrings while noting that women are more likely to have children depend on them than men do, O’Brien writes that “the case for closing women’s prisons is built on the experiences of formerly incarcerated women and activists who recognize that women who are mothers and community builders can find their way forward when they [are] respected and supported.”

Respect and support for women are worthy goals, but we need to fix our child violence crisis before they become imprisoned adults. The goal has to be teaching the girls respect — for themselves, their communities and the law, with the same lessons about their actions and the repercussions that we give the boys.

Girls need to be taught the same lessons in accountability as boys. The earlier we start doing so, the better.

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Who is not being held accountable? Men enjoy throwing this accountability term around, but show me the money of who is not being held accountable and how they are getting away with it. Are the girls who murder not being arrested and tried with stiff sentences on their horizons? Who has not been held accountable, the number of women in prison is increasing exponentially says the story, so who?

I have way more to say about the effects of our culture on women, but that will be later.
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Re: A Call To Men

Postby Gloominary » Sat Jun 10, 2017 9:41 am

Men excel at whatever they do, whether it's crime on the one hand, or their careers on the other.
Men are less likely to be supported by their spouse or the state.
They work harder, longer hours, and contribute more to the economy, many times over.
Nearly all our entrepreneurs are men, nearly every idea civilization ever had was a man's.
Civilization and civility themselves, for better/worse, were men's ideas.
Men take risks, for good/ill, women are risk adverse.
Even in traditionally feminine activities such as food and fashion, men surpass women.
All the top chefs and fashionistas are men...nearly all the top artists, musicians and writers for that matter.
The only thing women are better at than men is taking care of children and the weak, and even there, they could use some help.
Single moms don't discipline children enough, especially boys, consequently more are turning to crime and gangs for their role models.
Most divorces are initiated by women, and not because men were being physically or sexually abusive.
For better/worse, the family is by and large being destroyed by women, but is it because men are so insufferable?
Not at all, I read lesbians are more likely to be significantly less happy with their partner than both heterosexual men and women, and gay men.
Divorce is more likely to be financially motivated, or by misandric, anti-family propaganda.
Again, men are our doctors, our firemen, our policeman and paramedics because women are risk adverse.
All too often passivity is equated with benevolence instead of with cowardice and hypocrisy.
For better/worse, men built the institutions and most of the laws giving us what rights and freedoms we have, the institutions we, hope, we can count on to compile the data the OP and so many of her ilk are now using against men.

As for violence, again:

Canada 2015

Population : 35,848,600

Homicide victims : 604 ... 429 male, 175 female

Accused of homicide : 525 ... 464 male, 61 female


http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2%20...%2068-eng.htm

Men are more violent, but most of their violence is directed at other (violent) men, not women.

As for domestic violence:

Whereas women who experience domestic violence are openly encouraged to report it to the authorities, it has been argued that men who experience such violence often encounter pressure against reporting, with those that do facing social stigma regarding their perceived lack of machismo and other denigrations of their masculinity.[1]:6[2] Additionally, intimate partner violence (IPV) against men is generally less recognized by society than IPV against women, which can act as a further block to men reporting their situation.[1]:1[3]
The prevalence and frequency of IPV against men is highly disputed, with different studies showing different conclusions for different nations, and many countries having no data at all. Some researchers believe the actual number of male victims is likely to be greater than law enforcement statistics suggest due to the high number of men who do not report their abuse.[4]


Determining the rate of intimate partner violence (IPV) against males can be difficult, as men are often more reluctant than women to report their abuse or seek help.[4][9][10] One of the reasons for this is that IPV against men is generally less recognized by society than IPV against women.[1]:1[3] Additionally, heterosexual male victims of IPV are often judged harshly for "allowing" themselves to be beaten by a woman. This view is based upon the general rule that men are physically stronger than women, and, therefore, should be able to prevent any kind of female violence; a view which disregards that violent women tend to use objects during IPV at a higher rate than violent men.[11][12]
Another reason men are often reluctant to report victimization concerns socio-cultural stereotypes of masculinity; male victims of IPV often hide their suffering due to fear of being judged negatively by others, and/or having their masculinity questioned.[1]:6 For some men, this evasive behavior is based upon the fear of being ridiculed by friends or co-workers, by shyness in dealing with peers and/or with (non-violent) women, and by fear of people saying that the woman is the real victim, and must have been acting in self-defense.[2][13] For a man to admit he is the victim of female perpetrated IPV necessitates the abandonment of the veneer of machismo which society expects from men, and to admit being submissive to a female partner. For some men, this is an admission they are unwilling, or unable, to make.[14] Some researchers have also demonstrated a degree of socio-cultural acceptance of aggression by women against men, whereas there is a general condemnation of aggression by men against women. This can lead to men not considering themselves victims, and/or not realizing the IPV they are experiencing is a crime.[9][15]
Furthermore, some studies have shown that women who assault their male partners are more likely to avoid arrest than men who attack their female partners,[16] and that female perpetrators of IPV are often viewed by law enforcement agencies and the courts as victims rather than offenders.[17] As such, men fear that if they do report to the police, they will be assumed to be the aggressor, and placed under arrest.[18][19] The 1985 U.S. National Family Violence Survey, carried out by Murray A. Straus and Richard J. Gelles on a nationally representative sample of 41 houses where 1 to 10 calls to the police had been made (24 female callers and 17 male callers), found that when a woman called the police to report IPV, the man was ordered out of the house in 41.4% of cases. However, when a man called, the woman was ordered out of the house in 0% of cases. When a woman called, the man was threatened with immediate arrest in 28.2% of cases; when a man called, the woman was threatened with arrest in 0% of cases. When a woman called, the man was threatened with arrest at a later date in 10.7% of cases; when a man called, the woman was threatened with arrest at a later date in 0% of cases. When a woman called, the man was arrested in 15.2% of cases; when a man called, the woman was arrested in 0% of cases. In fact, in 12.1% of cases when the man called, the man himself was arrested.[20]
Statistics indicate that under-reporting is an inherent problem with IPV irrespective of gender. For example, in England and Wales, the 1995 "Home Office Research Study 191", carried out as a supplementary study to the British Crime Survey, reported 6.6 million incidents of IPV in the previous twelve months, compared with the 987,000 incidents found by the Crime Survey. The difference in the two reports was that Study 191 was a questionnaire of a random representative sample of people, while the Crime Survey attained its figures from crime records, i.e. actual reported cases of IPV.[21] Supplementary studies carried out in 2001 and from 2004 onwards have consistently recorded significantly higher rates of IPV (committed against both men and women) than the standard crime surveys.[22] The 2010-2011 report found that whilst 27% of women who experienced IPV reported it to the police, only 10% of men did so, and whilst 44% of women reported to some professional organization, only 19% of men did so.[23] In a 2005 report carried out by the National Crime Council in the Republic of Ireland, it was estimated that 5% of men who had experienced IPV had reported it to the authorities, compared to 29% of women.[4]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence_against_men

It's probably a far more reciprocal affair than the OP would have you believe.

You can't rape someone with a vagina, but I wonder how many women are abusing men, extorting men physically, mentally, emotionally and financially because men aren't "initiating sex enough", and making women "feel attractive", like that poor man in that video I posted, which's a more covert form of rape.
Women are notorious for being masters of psychological warfare, for being emotionally abusive and vindictive, so much of what women do is so subjective, so subtle, can't be easily ascertained or measured.
As psychology advances we may gain keener insights into the kinds of depravity women have a penchant for.
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Re: A Call To Men

Postby phyllo » Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:10 pm

It sounds like a radical idea: Stop incarcerating women, and close down women’s prisons. But in Britain, there is a growing movement, sponsored by a peer in the House of Lords, to do just that.

The argument is actually quite straightforward: There are far fewer women in prison than men to start with — women make up just 7 percent of the prison population. This means that these women are disproportionately affected by a system designed for men.

But could women’s prisons actually be eliminated in the United States, where the rate of women’s incarceration has risen by 646 percent in the past 30 years? The context is different, but many of the arguments are the same.

Essentially, the case for closing women’s prisons is the same as the case for imprisoning fewer men. It is the case against the prison industrial complex and for community-based treatment where it works better than incarceration. But there is evidence that prison harms women more than men, so why not start there?

Any examination of the women who are in U.S. prisons reveals that the majority are nonviolent offenders with poor education, little employment experience and multiple histories of abuse from childhood through adulthood. Women are also more likely than men to have children who rely on them for support — 147,000 American children have mothers in prison.

Prison nation

The United States is a prison nation. More than 1.5 million people are incarcerated in the country. And this obsession with punishment is expensive. Cumulatively, states spend more than $52 billion a year on their prison systems. The federal government also spends tens of billions to police, prosecute and imprison people, though research demonstrates that incarceration harms individual well-being and does not improve public safety.

What purpose is served by subjecting the most disempowered, abused and nonviolent women to the perpetually negative environment of prisons?

Efforts to make prison “work” for women have only perpetuated the growth of the prison industrial complex. These putative reforms have helped some individuals, and possibly brought the nature of mass warehousing of poor, black and brown bodies more into focus, but the number of incarcerated people still continues to rise.

Community interventions work

So what is the alternative to jailing women at the rate we do? In Britain, advocates propose community sentences for nonviolent offenders and housing violent offenders in small custodial centers near their families.

There is evidence that these approaches can work in the United States. Opportunities to test alternatives to prison are increasing across the states, and some have demonstrated beneficial results for the women who participated.

For example, state-funded Project Redeploy in Illinois has built upon the evidence that nonviolent offenders are more effectively treated in their communities by diverting 1,376 nonviolent offenders from prison since January 2011, when the program began, through the end of 2013.

Oklahoma is currently ranked No. 1 for female incarceration per capita in the country. Nearly 80 percent of Oklahoma’s incarcerated women are nonviolent offenders, their presence in prison largely attributed to drug abuse, distribution of controlled substances, prostitution and property crimes.

A program that began five years ago, Women in Recovery, provides an alternative to prison for women who are sentenced for felony crimes linked to alcohol or drug addiction. The program includes comprehensive treatment and services such as employment services, housing assistance and family reunification. Women with small children are given the highest priority for admission to the program. Women who complete the program, averaging about 18 months, have a high degree of success after release.

The program coordinator has told me that 68 percent of the women who completed the program had no further involvement with the criminal justice system.

Starting with women

Even as we learn about promising diversion programs for women, are we really ready to shut down women’s prisons? If we think of abolition as a citizens’ effort and believe that women should be allowed to jump the queue for transport along the path of recovery and healing, there are steps that must be taken from a feminist perspective.

We need to understand the harm embedded in the current prison system and explore what alternative responses already exist. For example, Susan Burton, the founder of A New Way of Life, a group of transition homes for women exiting prison in Los Angeles, indicates that an abolitionist perspective transforms the lives of former prisoners. Direct assistance from this program reconnects women to their families, communities and citizenship. Circle processes used by indigenous communities in the United States, Canada and New Zealand provide models for these practices.

The systemic production of mass incarceration cannot be solved simply by assisting troubled and troubling individual women. Another step to abolition requires taking the discussion beyond the individuals and communities most directly harmed, controlled and erased by the prison industrial complex to the public sphere that has passively accepted it. Put simply, we need to stop seeing prisons as an inevitable part of life.

Another way

If we can’t close down women’s prisons, we can at least slow down their expansion. Efforts to isolate women from their communities must be identified and opposed.

In Denver, for example, the Fail the Jail campaign helped defeat the addition of new jail beds. Instead, the director of the state’s community reentry project told me that alternatives have proven to help individual women and change community attitudes.

The case for closing women’s prisons is built on the experiences of formerly incarcerated women and activists who recognize that women who are mothers and community builders can find their way forward when they respected and supported. It is possible to imagine a future without women’s prisons; whether it’s achievable will require a bigger shift in thinking.

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Re: A Call To Men

Postby Gloominary » Sat Jun 10, 2017 11:50 pm

Of the 12,996 murder victims in 2010 for which supplemental data were received, most (77.4 percent) were male.

Of the offenders for whom gender was known, 90.3 percent were males.


https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded/expandhomicidemain

According to the FBI, 90% of homicides were committed by men, however, 80% of homicides were committed against other men, albeit other violent men.

So at least men are killing other men, albeit in gang related circumstances, and not women and children.
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Re: A Call To Men

Postby Gloominary » Sun Jun 11, 2017 12:34 am

Are women more benevolent...or more cowardly and hypocritical?

When you're attacked by a wild animal, or a caught in an accident or natural disaster, common sense will tell you you're more likely to be saved by a man than a woman, whether it was his job to save people, or whether he went way out of his way to save you.
So if we're more likely to kill you, we're more likely to save your life, too.
It's too bad they don't keep statistics on who's more heroic, only who's more villainous, or if they do, such statistics aren't well known, perhaps because they don't fit the feminist narrative.

To reiterate, men are more vital to the economy, not only do they make more money, even thou women spend nearly as much from what I've read, and often on more superfluous things, men take on most of the dirty, dangerous jobs women won't.
They've built our civilization from the ground up and maintain it.
Men are our farmers and construction workers, our doctors and paramedics, our policemen, firemen, rescue workers and soldiers.
If women are so benevolent, why don't they put themselves in harms way to save others?
Does testosterone = malevolence, or is it a tool, like any other, that gives men the capacity to deal with life/death situations for good/ill?
And so what's the downside of estrogen, how might estrogen manifest in psychopathic and sociopathic women, or bipolar women?

Women are squeamish about blood, but are they squeamish about blood money?
In all seriousness, I think it'd be an interesting study, to see how quickly women will throw themselves at notorious capitalist crime bosses, rich gangsters and thugs over your average honest, hardworking schmo.
Most women don't have the balls to put their lives in peril for good/ill, but many sure as hell will marry the prick that does.
Of course such a study would be considered outrageously sexist, but science shouldn't shy away from research merely cause it's controversial, offensive, isn't sufficiently PC or politically expedient.
Science ought to be just about the facts, and some facts are moral, and might reflect badly on women.

Perhaps women are even far more amoral/immoral than men, more vain, shallow and materialistic, but at the same time, more cunning, more manipulative, all the while play the role of the victim.
The best kind of power is the kind you don't even see, that makes you think and feel like you're powerful, and so when things go awry, you're more apt to blame yourself rather than the real culprit.
Women are more insidious, their capacity for abuse, and benevolence can't be so easily be measured in dollars and cents, in lives saved or lost, and since psychology is still a burgeoning field relative to other sciences, and hitherto dominated by men, albeit many with a feminist agenda, it'll probably take longer for it to uncover the full depths of women's, depravity...if it ever does.
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Re: A Call To Men

Postby Gloominary » Sun Jun 11, 2017 1:25 am

You could say women have yin power.
Yin power is dark and mysterious.
It's the kind of power that redirects your own ineptitude against you.
The two faced kind, provokes you into making an ass of yourself, then shines a light on you for all to see
It's very underappreciated and under respected, yin power.
Often it comes to you as the very antithesis of power, as meek and mild, seeking comfort and counsel.
Where as men build bombs and bullets, blah blah.
Women's power is clandestine, from behind the throne.
It's sort of a simple, and in a round about way, masculine culture that thinks like power has to be in your face in order for it to be real.
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Re: A Call To Men

Postby Gloominary » Sun Jun 11, 2017 1:55 am

More women are lemmings thou.
Thy're less likely to commit crimes, and thought crimes.
They seem less capable of exercising critical, independent thought (in addition to being less imaginative and innovative), which's why they're more likely to be religious.
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Re: A Call To Men

Postby WendyDarling » Tue Jul 04, 2017 2:26 am

It's time to transform the female who may seem to be a lemming. What she is capable of remains to be seen. Her strengths have yet to ascertained. Helping women help themselves is my goal.
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Re: A Call To Men

Postby Gloominary » Fri Aug 04, 2017 9:36 pm

What about all the women who hire hitmen or coax their brothers, boyfriends and male friends into murdering and assaulting other men, are they in the statistics feminists and liberals are examining, are they even in the statistics at all?
When men want something done, we tend to do it ourselves.
Are women really less violent, or is their violence merely more, indirect?
Observe how the boys in blue, discriminate against men in favor of women in nearly all cases.
Women don't need to be so violent, when most men and the system we built are rigged in their favor.
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Re: A Call To Men

Postby Pandora » Fri Aug 04, 2017 11:10 pm

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheela_na_gig

"The Mysterious divide between life and no life". lol! Men's fascination with female reproductive system never seizes to amaze me.
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Re: A Call To Men

Postby WendyDarling » Fri Aug 04, 2017 11:48 pm

Gloominary wrote:What about all the women who hire hitmen or coax their brothers, boyfriends and male friends into murdering and assaulting other men, are they in the statistics feminists and liberals are examining, are they even in the statistics at all?
When men want something done, we tend to do it ourselves.
Are women really less violent, or is their violence merely more, indirect?
Observe how the boys in blue, discriminate against men in favor of women in nearly all cases.
Women don't need to be so violent, when most men and the system we built are rigged in their favor.

Not another round of ridiculousness? How can you read as sane in other threads, but refuse to be sane in this one? I guess you're itching for a fight. Pow! Pow! :evilfun:
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Re: A Call To Men

Postby AutSider » Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:16 am

Gloominary wrote:What about all the women who hire hitmen or coax their brothers, boyfriends and male friends into murdering and assaulting other men, are they in the statistics feminists and liberals are examining, are they even in the statistics at all?
When men want something done, we tend to do it ourselves.
Are women really less violent, or is their violence merely more, indirect?
Observe how the boys in blue, discriminate against men in favor of women in nearly all cases.
Women don't need to be so violent, when most men and the system we built are rigged in their favor.


You're making a fundamental mistake of trying to reason with a woman.

You'll never get anywhere no matter how good your arguments are. It's like trying to reason with a puppy or a kitten.
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Re: A Call To Men

Postby WendyDarling » Sat Aug 05, 2017 2:10 am

Gloominary wrote:What about all the women who hire hitmen or coax their brothers, boyfriends and male friends into murdering and assaulting other men, are they in the statistics feminists and liberals are examining, are they even in the statistics at all?
When men want something done, we tend to do it ourselves.
Are women really less violent, or is their violence merely more, indirect?
Observe how the boys in blue, discriminate against men in favor of women in nearly all cases.
Women don't need to be so violent, when most men and the system we built are rigged in their favor.

Men hire hitmen too so your reasoning of men doing it (or all other things)themselves is a crock. The lazy men on this site don't even clean their own houses, Juanita does it.

Oh almost forgot, pow, pow!
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Re: A Call To Men

Postby A Shieldmaiden » Sat Aug 05, 2017 3:27 am

There are a few men here who think that all women care about is money. The reason some women are attracted to men with successful careers is not their salaries, but their success and some guarantee of a modicum of intelligence. I don't want a man who is not capable or independent. A man needs to be able to make his own decisions, pay his own way and sometimes cook his own meal. What woman wants a man who needs mothering. Ugh!
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Re: A Call To Men

Postby Dan~ » Sun Aug 06, 2017 3:44 am

WendyDarling wrote:
Jakob wrote:Feminism is merely the erosion of female responsibility, the destruction of the virtues of the female, the war against children.


From a male's perspective, what are female responsibilities and to who do they pertain? Again, please describe these virtues of the female? How are women waging war on children?

Awaiting your answers.


Men and women have to drive to jasper and they s each start with a car or a truck.
The women have a car, the men have a truck.
If you have a good soul it will be like a car or truck has the same driver.
Souls don't have gender restrictions.
Therefor either male or female beings can reach similar levels via the soul.
The world would be a better place if there were 10 genders.

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Re: A Call To Men

Postby Dan~ » Sun Aug 06, 2017 3:47 am

I think my post is more true than everyone else's.
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Re: A Call To Men

Postby gib » Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:16 am

Wendy, I'm a violent male who rapes and beats women on a daily basis. How can A Call to Men benefit me?
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Re: A Call To Men

Postby encode_decode » Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:23 am

gib wrote:Wendy, I'm a violent male who rapes and beats women on a daily basis. How can A Call to Men benefit me?

My name is not Wendy . . . however . . . I don't believe you are a violent male who rapes and beats women on a daily basis.

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Your question is a valid one though . . .

Wendy, how can a call to men benefit me?

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    Re: A Call To Men

    Postby gib » Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:27 am

    encode_decode wrote:My name is not Wendy . . . however . . . I don't believe you are a violent male who rapes and beats women on a daily basis.


    You're right, I'm not a man. Only a boy would beat and rape women. I am but a boy. Help me, A Call to Men! Help me become a man... a real man!
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    Re: A Call To Men

    Postby Otto_West » Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:41 am

    A Shieldmaiden wrote:There are a few men here who think that all women care about is money. The reason some women are attracted to men with successful careers is not their salaries, but their success and some guarantee of a modicum of intelligence. I don't want a man who is not capable or independent. A man needs to be able to make his own decisions, pay his own way and sometimes cook his own meal. What woman wants a man who needs mothering. Ugh!

    A majority of women care about money but not all. It is because of that majority there is such a prevailing backlash from men. In a global deteriorating economy where men are becoming displaced into obsolescence this trend will only get worse.
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    Re: A Call To Men

    Postby gib » Sun Aug 06, 2017 5:19 am

    Money is a sign of ability. It signals to women: this guy knows what he's doing, he knows how to get ahead in life. That's not to say no woman goes for men purely for his money, just that these women are most likely not being driven by their libido, but by more practical considerations (almost like they've given up on men). Any man who demonstrates his ability to survive in today's world is sexy to a woman--money is merely recognized as a symptom of this ability, not the object of women's desire.
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    Re: A Call To Men

    Postby Otto_West » Sun Aug 06, 2017 9:31 am

    gib wrote:Money is a sign of ability. It signals to women: this guy knows what he's doing, he knows how to get ahead in life. That's not to say no woman goes for men purely for his money, just that these women are most likely not being driven by their libido, but by more practical considerations (almost like they've given up on men). Any man who demonstrates his ability to survive in today's world is sexy to a woman--money is merely recognized as a symptom of this ability, not the object of women's desire.

    In the technological transhumanistic driven world where many men and woman are being fazed into existential obsolescence that can be quite a difficult thing. Add in rising social and economic inequality you get the picture.
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    Re: A Call To Men

    Postby gib » Sun Aug 06, 2017 5:03 pm

    Otto_West wrote:In the technological transhumanistic driven world where many men and woman are being fazed into existential obsolescence <-- What does that mean? that can be quite a difficult thing. Add in rising social and economic inequality you get the picture.


    There's never been perfect equality. But economic inequality, and inequality of opportunity, is why many women feel they have to think practically (money) when choosing a mate as opposed to with their libido. But I think that's been the way since before the dawn of civilization, even before the dawning of our species, which is why status and might in men triggers something on a deeply instinctual level in women and ties it into their libido anyway. Evolution knows what it's doing.
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    Re: A Call To Men

    Postby WendyDarling » Sun Aug 06, 2017 5:36 pm

    gib wrote:Wendy, I'm a violent male who rapes and beats women on a daily basis. How can A Call to Men benefit me?
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    Re: A Call To Men

    Postby WendyDarling » Sun Aug 06, 2017 5:38 pm

    encode_decode wrote:
    gib wrote:Wendy, I'm a violent male who rapes and beats women on a daily basis. How can A Call to Men benefit me?

    My name is not Wendy . . . however . . . I don't believe you are a violent male who rapes and beats women on a daily basis.

    :lol:

    Your question is a valid one though . . .

    Wendy, how can a call to men benefit me?

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