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Re: True Christianity

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:13 pm

Arcturus Descending wrote:Trixie,

im pretty sure god is the worst monster ever made, after all he made hell... and cursed as all to live a life inside a shitty world, which he all could have prevented i might add.


Do you really see it that way?

I think that what created hell is our own version of the truth of things, our own interpretation of who or what God is, and our own version of the truth of what justice is.

Who could possibly believe in a god who condemns his own creations to an eternal living hell?

so your philosophy is basically, god is real but the bible is a pack of lies.

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Re: True Christianity

Postby UrGod » Sat Aug 12, 2017 2:12 am

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Re: True Christianity

Postby A Shieldmaiden » Sat Aug 12, 2017 3:39 am

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God is not going to judge someone based off whether they believe Genesis is allegorical or literal; He is going to judge them based of whether or not they accept that Jesus died for their sins and rose again on the third day. You are saved by faith alone in the sacrifice of Jesus, you are not saved by holding to the exact same interpretations of certain denominations about how the world was created or how it will be destroyed. Faith in the Holy blood of Jesus is what saves alone.

You can still be a Christian and believe in theistic evolution.


Erik, throughout the SCRIPTURES not denominations, there are references to God creating all things, one example is “thou are worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honor and power: FOR THOU HAST CREATED ALL THINGS.” (Revelation 4:11) and there are more examples.

The Bible is the primary way that God reveals Himself to man and without complete study of the Bible, you might become confused by the teachings of some New Age cult, being taught evolution and believing that the Bible is full of fiction, fantasy, and fables. Though written over a period of 1,600 years by about 40 different authors, speaking four different languages, it delivers ONE MESSAGE and ONE VOICE.

“It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ” —Matthew 4:4
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Re: True Christianity

Postby Arcturus Descending » Mon Aug 14, 2017 3:29 pm

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Who could possibly believe in a god who condemns his own creations to an eternal living hell?

so your philosophy is basically, god is real but the bible is a pack of lies.


lol
I will speak of God when the conversation is about God but I don't actually believe. at all.
The closest that I can get to a concept about God is "pure energy".
Basically for me it is a Jungian archetype.
That doesn't mean that it cannot be a valid one - after all, we are human.


I don't necessarily believe that the bible is a pack of lies. Some of it is history. Perhaps some of it is lies and/or aggrandized just as sometimes history does not always tell the truth of things but adorns it or plays it down.
The bible is inspiration but I do not believe that it is a God's inspiration; rather, it is inspiration and imagination as interpreted from the hearts and minds of those who wrote it.

As I do not believe in throwing the baby out with the bathwater, there is a lot of human wisdom within it.
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Re: True Christianity

Postby Erik_ » Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:43 pm

Trixie, God does not condemn anyone to hell, they condemn themselves by rejecting Jesus. Accepting Jesus into your heart is NOT drudgery, it is a tremendous joy. His yoke is easy and his burden is light. If you understood just how beautiful it is to know God through His son Jesus, you would realize how absurd it is to reject him.

Good things happen to good people; bad things happen to bad people.

Only bad people go to hell.

The way you live your life, how you treat other people, will be reflected back at you, in the next life. Jesus is the source of all that is good and when you reject him, you reject the good.

Arcturus, you should believe in Jesus; he is the Truth. Everyone knows this deep within their hearts

God is not pure energy. Energy is something He created.

God is the highest reality and He is personal and conscious.
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Re: True Christianity

Postby Erik_ » Fri Aug 18, 2017 5:02 pm

Just ignore Trixie's post above, while it is in the process of being deleted.

Read what I posted before her asinine comment.
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Re: True Christianity

Postby Fixed Cross » Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:03 pm

Erik, you are making some extremely radical claims about peoples lives.
Okay, if you were God, you would have that prerogative. But you are merely a believer.

Perhaps you can show us how Jesus has improved your life, your world, made you wholesome -
because just proclaiming your absolute knowledge about what humans need to do, is not going to turn anyone toward your Jesus, I expect you are aware of this, as you are a smart kid.

What has Jesus done for you?
Don't come with things like "he made me happy" -

Can you provide something actual? An experience that we can relate to?

No one on a philosophy site will ever respond positively to being lectured.
The only reason I lecture is to piss people off and to get my ideas archived online.

I dont delude myself into thinking people accept anything that they are being told to accept.
I don't care who does and who doesn't accept my truths - I just care to express them. I consider that my duty.

In this sense your evangelizing is respectable, as your responsiveness to what you consider duty.
But if you wish to save people and get them in the arms of Jesus, you wil have to be more empathic and imaginative, more welcoming and creative -

Show us a Christian world that is awesome, that trumps the world of us sinners down here.
Employ your powers for your values.
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Re: True Christianity

Postby Serendipper » Sun Aug 20, 2017 2:02 am

Otto_West wrote:Jesus is a Jew on a stick. Any god crucified on a cross is a weak pitiful god not worthy of worship beyond slaves.


Now that is interesting! So, what sort of god would be more impressive?

If you had all the power in the universe that there is to have, what would be the most difficult thing for you to do? The answer would be your most impressive accomplishment.
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Re: True Christianity

Postby Erik_ » Tue Aug 22, 2017 6:15 pm

Fixed Cross wrote:Erik, you are making some extremely radical claims about peoples lives.
Okay, if you were God, you would have that prerogative. But you are merely a believer.

Perhaps you can show us how Jesus has improved your life, your world, made you wholesome -
because just proclaiming your absolute knowledge about what humans need to do, is not going to turn anyone toward your Jesus, I expect you are aware of this, as you are a smart kid.

What has Jesus done for you?
Don't come with things like "he made me happy" -

Can you provide something actual? An experience that we can relate to?

No one on a philosophy site will ever respond positively to being lectured.
The only reason I lecture is to piss people off and to get my ideas archived online.

I dont delude myself into thinking people accept anything that they are being told to accept.
I don't care who does and who doesn't accept my truths - I just care to express them. I consider that my duty.

In this sense your evangelizing is respectable, as your responsiveness to what you consider duty.
But if you wish to save people and get them in the arms of Jesus, you wil have to be more empathic and imaginative, more welcoming and creative -

Show us a Christian world that is awesome, that trumps the world of us sinners down here.
Employ your powers for your values.


I proclaim Jesus as the Truth, because of personal experience and because there is good evidence to do so. The gospel accounts are valid testimonies.

What has Jesus done for me? Jesus died for my sins, so that I could be reconciled to God. He suffered excruciating pain, in my place, so I could have peace and everlasting life in the presence of God. I am eternally grateful for this and I live each moment of each day in profound devotion to him.

I am not merely a happier person, but a more loving and compassionate person. My heart has been regenerated by the power of The Holy Spirit. I am in touch with who I really am. I am made in the image of God. This is not a mere happy feeling, but profound inner-harmony. I am in communion with ultimate reality, with the source of all things, with God.

In a world, where people are all genuinely Christian, there would be no more wars, nor suffering - there would be world peace. People would radiate beautiful loving-kindness, the light of Jesus Christ. Not only would there be world peace, but people would be in touch with the Highest level of reality: God. True Christians will spend eternity discovering greater and greater levels of God's beauty.
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Re: True Christianity

Postby WendyDarling » Tue Aug 22, 2017 8:10 pm

You forgot the examples of personal revelatory experiences which swayed you into Jesus' forgiving arms. My personal experiences with God were of God speaking in my head telling me where to go in unfamiliar territories, the exact person or persons with whom to speak to in a crowd of strangers, and sometimes the exact words, His words, to start a conversation that would share His meaning in human terms I could understand, then he would point me to His further reasons in the Bible.

My example:
Often, God would place me into unnerving situations with strangers who I would never approach on my own. Once, God told me to pull over at a Quickmart at 4 am near Washington DC to ask for directions to Crystal City, Arlington, Virginia, but He pointed out the individual I was to ask for help who was a large/tall black man with a severely disfigured face who was wearing ragged clothing. I was scared shitless being a woman alone lost in an unfamiliar place late at night asking an intimidating person for directions. That man God pointed me to was the kindest, most helpful guy who gave me verbal and written directions, so God smacked my preconceived notions based on my fears down and taught me that I could trust His will. I made God prove Himself to me many times over and God tested my belief in Him as well, it was a give and take of God's divine plans for me and me overcoming my human fear enough to trust His superior judgement. :wink:

Why not share God's power to transform you through relaying your personal experiences?

There's way more to that story if you ever care to hear it. God works in miracles, small miracles, but miracles none-the-less.
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Re: True Christianity

Postby Arcturus Descending » Wed Aug 23, 2017 6:16 pm

Erik_ wrote:
Fixed Cross wrote:Erik, you are making some extremely radical claims about peoples lives.
Okay, if you were God, you would have that prerogative. But you are merely a believer.

Perhaps you can show us how Jesus has improved your life, your world, made you wholesome -
because just proclaiming your absolute knowledge about what humans need to do, is not going to turn anyone toward your Jesus, I expect you are aware of this, as you are a smart kid.

What has Jesus done for you?
Don't come with things like "he made me happy" -

Can you provide something actual? An experience that we can relate to?

No one on a philosophy site will ever respond positively to being lectured.
The only reason I lecture is to piss people off and to get my ideas archived online.

I dont delude myself into thinking people accept anything that they are being told to accept.
I don't care who does and who doesn't accept my truths - I just care to express them. I consider that my duty.

In this sense your evangelizing is respectable, as your responsiveness to what you consider duty.
But if you wish to save people and get them in the arms of Jesus, you wil have to be more empathic and imaginative, more welcoming and creative -

Show us a Christian world that is awesome, that trumps the world of us sinners down here.
Employ your powers for your values.


I proclaim Jesus as the Truth, because of personal experience and because there is good evidence to do so. The gospel accounts are valid testimonies.

What has Jesus done for me? Jesus died for my sins, so that I could be reconciled to God. He suffered excruciating pain, in my place, so I could have peace and everlasting life in the presence of God. I am eternally grateful for this and I live each moment of each day in profound devotion to him.

I am not merely a happier person, but a more loving and compassionate person. My heart has been regenerated by the power of The Holy Spirit. I am in touch with who I really am. I am made in the image of God. This is not a mere happy feeling, but profound inner-harmony. I am in communion with ultimate reality, with the source of all things, with God.

In a world, where people are all genuinely Christian, there would be no more wars, nor suffering - there would be world peace. People would radiate beautiful loving-kindness, the light of Jesus Christ. Not only would there be world peace, but people would be in touch with the Highest level of reality: God. True Christians will spend eternity discovering greater and greater levels of God's beauty.


Personally Erik, I always thought that you were a pretty nice guy, more or less happy. I don't know.

But one sure-powered way to show how Christ has changed your life is to spend it a bit toward working for others, even volunteer.
Someone who is actually a spiritual person, who experiences Christ in his/her life will not self-focus so much or in-focus, if that's an actual word, but their focus will be toward other people.
You consider yourself to be a child of God and a follower of Christ - what does the bible show that Christ did? He went out to meet the people, to bless them, care for them, give them what they needed.
He fed a multitude with fish and bread too I think ``` because he took compassion on the people. He didn't just speak about feeling compassion - he became compassion and gave it to others.

When I was a believer the one person who I admired more than anyone and I don't believe he is a saint was Fr. Damien of Molokai. Priest or no priest, that is my idea of a spiritual person.
He wasn't solely about himself in his spirituality. His spirituality was both inward toward His God and outward toward God's people.

http://www.encyclopedia.com/people/phil ... ies/father

When we do nothing but speak about our great love for God and how this God has changed us, made us happier, more compassionate - in a way I see that as hubris, or even spiritual pride. I do believe that there is such a thing.

You might try volunteering at a soup kitchen, or a hospital or with the elderly or with young abused children. You know how to box. You can teach young boys how to box and how to grow into more self-esteem.

Perhaps your God might be much more happy with you in this way than in your focusing so much on how you love God. If the NT teaches anything, it's about how loving God brings one to loving God's creations.

Otherwise, it might just be about how wonderful it is about the loving of God.
In other words, it might be no more or less than how we love the feeling of being in love. But is it really Love.


https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... rsion=NKJV
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What we take ourselves to be doing when we think about what is the case or how we should act is something that cannot be reconciled with a reductive naturalism, for reasons distinct from those that entail the irreducibility of consciousness. It is not merely the subjectivity of thought but its capacity to transcend subjectivity and to discover what is objectively the case that presents a problem....Thought and reasoning are correct or incorrect in virtue of something independent of the thinker's beliefs, and even independent of the community of thinkers to which he belongs.

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Re: True Christianity

Postby Erik_ » Thu Aug 24, 2017 5:09 pm

I will respond to both Wendy and Arcturus, in this post.

Wendy, thank you for sharing that experience. True beauty is on the inside. In the next life, people's outward beauty will reflect their inner beauty.

I like to keep many of my personal experiences private, as they are sacred. But sometimes, I may share them with the right individual.

Arcturus, you are totally correct about true spirituality being lived out in such ways as volunteer work and loving others, making a difference in their lives. One of the true forms of worshipping God is to bring happiness to another person's heart. When you live in such a way, you prove that you truly believe in the sacrifice of Jesus. We are saved ONLY by the shed blood of Jesus Christ, but if you truly believe on his sacrifice, you will naturally do good works and be loving towards others. These good works do NOT save you. Jesus' sacrifice is the ONLY thing that saves you. Good works are merely evidence that you, really, believe upon the sacrifice of Jesus.
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