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Re: True Christianity

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:13 pm

Arcturus Descending wrote:Trixie,

im pretty sure god is the worst monster ever made, after all he made hell... and cursed as all to live a life inside a shitty world, which he all could have prevented i might add.

Do you really see it that way?

I think that what created hell is our own version of the truth of things, our own interpretation of who or what God is, and our own version of the truth of what justice is.

Who could possibly believe in a god who condemns his own creations to an eternal living hell?

so your philosophy is basically, god is real but the bible is a pack of lies.

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Re: True Christianity

Postby Void_X_Zero » Sat Aug 12, 2017 2:12 am

"Siamo contenti? Son dio, ha fatto questa caricatura . . . [Are we happy? I am God, I made this caricature . . .]"

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Re: True Christianity

Postby A Shieldmaiden » Sat Aug 12, 2017 3:39 am


God is not going to judge someone based off whether they believe Genesis is allegorical or literal; He is going to judge them based of whether or not they accept that Jesus died for their sins and rose again on the third day. You are saved by faith alone in the sacrifice of Jesus, you are not saved by holding to the exact same interpretations of certain denominations about how the world was created or how it will be destroyed. Faith in the Holy blood of Jesus is what saves alone.

You can still be a Christian and believe in theistic evolution.

Erik, throughout the SCRIPTURES not denominations, there are references to God creating all things, one example is “thou are worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honor and power: FOR THOU HAST CREATED ALL THINGS.” (Revelation 4:11) and there are more examples.

The Bible is the primary way that God reveals Himself to man and without complete study of the Bible, you might become confused by the teachings of some New Age cult, being taught evolution and believing that the Bible is full of fiction, fantasy, and fables. Though written over a period of 1,600 years by about 40 different authors, speaking four different languages, it delivers ONE MESSAGE and ONE VOICE.

“It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ” —Matthew 4:4
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Re: True Christianity

Postby Arcturus Descending » Mon Aug 14, 2017 3:29 pm

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Who could possibly believe in a god who condemns his own creations to an eternal living hell?

so your philosophy is basically, god is real but the bible is a pack of lies.

I will speak of God when the conversation is about God but I don't actually believe. at all.
The closest that I can get to a concept about God is "pure energy".
Basically for me it is a Jungian archetype.
That doesn't mean that it cannot be a valid one - after all, we are human.

I don't necessarily believe that the bible is a pack of lies. Some of it is history. Perhaps some of it is lies and/or aggrandized just as sometimes history does not always tell the truth of things but adorns it or plays it down.
The bible is inspiration but I do not believe that it is a God's inspiration; rather, it is inspiration and imagination as interpreted from the hearts and minds of those who wrote it.

As I do not believe in throwing the baby out with the bathwater, there is a lot of human wisdom within it.

If I thought that everything I did was determined by my circumstancse and my psychological condition, I would feel trapped.

What we take ourselves to be doing when we think about what is the case or how we should act is something that cannot be reconciled with a reductive naturalism, for reasons distinct from those that entail the irreducibility of consciousness. It is not merely the subjectivity of thought but its capacity to transcend subjectivity and to discover what is objectively the case that presents a problem....Thought and reasoning are correct or incorrect in virtue of something independent of the thinker's beliefs, and even independent of the community of thinkers to which he belongs.

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Re: True Christianity

Postby Erik_ » Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:43 pm

Trixie, God does not condemn anyone to hell, they condemn themselves by rejecting Jesus. Accepting Jesus into your heart is NOT drudgery, it is a tremendous joy. His yoke is easy and his burden is light. If you understood just how beautiful it is to know God through His son Jesus, you would realize how absurd it is to reject him.

Good things happen to good people; bad things happen to bad people.

Only bad people go to hell.

The way you live your life, how you treat other people, will be reflected back at you, in the next life. Jesus is the source of all that is good and when you reject him, you reject the good.

Arcturus, you should believe in Jesus; he is the Truth. Everyone knows this deep within their hearts

God is not pure energy. Energy is something He created.

God is the highest reality and He is personal and conscious.
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Re: True Christianity

Postby Erik_ » Fri Aug 18, 2017 5:02 pm

Just ignore Trixie's post above, while it is in the process of being deleted.

Read what I posted before her asinine comment.
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Re: True Christianity

Postby Fixed Cross » Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:03 pm

Erik, you are making some extremely radical claims about peoples lives.
Okay, if you were God, you would have that prerogative. But you are merely a believer.

Perhaps you can show us how Jesus has improved your life, your world, made you wholesome -
because just proclaiming your absolute knowledge about what humans need to do, is not going to turn anyone toward your Jesus, I expect you are aware of this, as you are a smart kid.

What has Jesus done for you?
Don't come with things like "he made me happy" -

Can you provide something actual? An experience that we can relate to?

No one on a philosophy site will ever respond positively to being lectured.
The only reason I lecture is to piss people off and to get my ideas archived online.

I dont delude myself into thinking people accept anything that they are being told to accept.
I don't care who does and who doesn't accept my truths - I just care to express them. I consider that my duty.

In this sense your evangelizing is respectable, as your responsiveness to what you consider duty.
But if you wish to save people and get them in the arms of Jesus, you wil have to be more empathic and imaginative, more welcoming and creative -

Show us a Christian world that is awesome, that trumps the world of us sinners down here.
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Re: True Christianity

Postby Serendipper » Sun Aug 20, 2017 2:02 am

Otto_West wrote:Jesus is a Jew on a stick. Any god crucified on a cross is a weak pitiful god not worthy of worship beyond slaves.

Now that is interesting! So, what sort of god would be more impressive?

If you had all the power in the universe that there is to have, what would be the most difficult thing for you to do? The answer would be your most impressive accomplishment.
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