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just got done talking with my mom

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Fri Feb 24, 2017 8:06 pm

As I have reported before, my mom who is 82 and has seen it all....

I just got off the phone with her.... and she said this feeling in the
country is just the same feeling of dread and fear as it was during the
Cuban Missile crisis and other times of crisis in this country....
She lived through Perl Harbor and every event since and she
says it feels like something is going to happen.......
a feeling of dread and fear and the stress level in this country
is just like every crisis in the last 70 years.....
she has even gone to create bag of survival gear for several days
in case she has to bail and go somewhere else... where is she going
at 82, I don't know... but she is ready and she says she hasn't done
this since the Cuban Missile crisis... it feels that bad out there.....

we have family friends who psychiatrists and they say the stress level
among their patients is worse then it was after 9/11.....
my mom and I both agree that the call to bring in the national guard to
begin deporting illegal aliens and the call to bring the military into
Chicago are trial balloons to gauge how much push back the
government would get if they decided to go the martial law route
to stifle dissent in America...... we also both agree that as the dissent
stiffens and deepens, the administration will begin to drum up the war
idea against Iran... as a way to stifle dissent but painting dissent as
unpatriotic in a time of war... just as bush Jr. did during the Iraq war.....
I don't believe it will work this time as we are hip to the idea now.....

all in all, strange time are ahead of us as we are facing the greatest crisis
in American since the Cuban missile crisis and that was over 50 years ago
someone somewhere will set off the spark and it is on...but that is just
another brick in the wall, that my mom thinks that all it needs is a spark,
set of from one side or the other and this country will be heading toward
civil war.... Revolution for the soul of this country...... democracy or dictatorship?
if the left wins, we return to democracy if the right wins, dictatorship...
and the key player will be the military... which way will they go...
who will they support.... the Nuremberg trials are still fresh in the
military minds.... which way will they go? and therein lies the fate
and future of the country.......

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Re: just got done talking with my mom

Postby Pandora » Fri Feb 24, 2017 8:50 pm

If your mom is not illegal she has nothing to worry about. But I do not like that the country is getting divided over the immigration issue. It might take a domestic terror attack on homeland soil to unite people on this issue (just like it did for 9/11). I'm not advocating for it but I can see it happening in the future. :-?
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Re: just got done talking with my mom

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Fri Feb 24, 2017 9:18 pm

Pandora wrote:If your mom is not illegal she has nothing to worry about. But I do not like that the country is getting divided over the immigration issue. It might take a domestic terror attack on homeland soil to unite people on this issue (just like it did for 9/11). I'm not advocating for it but I can see it happening in the future. :-?


K: I am fairly sure you missed my entire point... it is not just immigration...
(my mom was born in the U.S as my family on my mom's side has
been in the U.S since before 1700.....so I am not to worried about that)
I am sure 45 administration is contemplating a 9/11 style attack in some
futile act to ensure patriotism in order to carry out their takeover of the U.S....
there is no doubt its on their agenda to ensure cooperation in the U.S.....
or create a war with some country and the betting money is Iran and that
will end very, very badly for the U.S...

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Re: just got done talking with my mom

Postby Pandora » Fri Feb 24, 2017 10:17 pm

Peter Kropotkin wrote:
K: I am fairly sure you missed my entire point... it is not just immigration...
(my mom was born in the U.S as my family on my mom's side has
been in the U.S since before 1700.....so I am not to worried about that)
I am sure 45 administration is contemplating a 9/11 style attack in some
futile act to ensure patriotism in order to carry out their takeover of the U.S....
there is no doubt its on their agenda to ensure cooperation in the U.S.....
or create a war with some country and the betting money is Iran and that
will end very, very badly for the U.S...

Kropotkin


Sounds about right. Not sure about Iran, though. I think you're on a slippery slope in your thinking that is so prevalent among ultra liberal population. The purpose is to protect the country against terrorist attacks and restore the power of law that has been bended and abused by so many. For some reason, people freak out and start having flashes of Nazi Germany before them. The flow of history is not even the same here.

Has Europe been able to stop terror attacks?
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Re: just got done talking with my mom

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Fri Feb 24, 2017 10:29 pm

if you know anything about history, it is history repeats itself....
during the late 19th century, anarchists lead many such terrorists attacks
in both the U.S and Europe and Russia.... we have had this terrorism
before... it is not a new thing.. and the thing to remember about this is
simple... the terrorist cannot hurt us unless we allow them to .....
we are vastly, vastly overreacting to these attacks.... they
cannot damage the U.S in any measureable way as they cannot damage
Europe in any measureable way.... the GOP by their actions have done
far more damage to the U.S then terrorist have ever done.... the GOP
is the terrorist party in the U.S.....

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Re: just got done talking with my mom

Postby Pandora » Fri Feb 24, 2017 10:34 pm

Peter Kropotkin wrote:... the terrorist cannot hurt us unless we allow them to .....
By pretending everything is fine, like what Europe is doing? This only weakens people's trust in the government's ability to provide security and emboldens the aggressors.
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Re: just got done talking with my mom

Postby Amorphos » Sat Feb 25, 2017 12:46 am

didn't America start all this multiculture stuff though?
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Re: just got done talking with my mom

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Sat Feb 25, 2017 1:14 am

Pandora wrote:
Peter Kropotkin wrote:... the terrorist cannot hurt us unless we allow them to .....
By pretending everything is fine, like what Europe is doing? This only weakens people's trust in the government's ability to provide security and emboldens the aggressors.


K: embolden them to do what? Rino's kill more people world wide then
terrorists...and if you are truly worried about keeping people safe, how
about the 11,000 people that died from guns last year in the U.S...
WHAT ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT ABILITY TO PROVIDE SECURITY AND THIS FAILURE
EMBOLDENS THE AGGRESORS??????? if you are serious, really serious about
keeping people safe and secure, let us start with guns and then and only then
can we even begin to think about terrorists.......
if you don't think we have a security issue with guns, then you can't believe
we have an issue with terrorist........

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Re: just got done talking with my mom

Postby Meno_ » Sat Feb 25, 2017 1:58 am

I am on pretty much on the same page with your mom.
There is definitely something brewing, and it just doesent sit well, regardless whether one is a Republican or Democrat. It seems as if the executive places himself dab center, attacking everything and everybody , with a feedback loop with his constituency, mainly WASPS. The motive and energy comes from perceptions around reverse discrimination.

I am not overly pessimistic about the public's resiliency, Obama was accepted, even though He was a trend setter. Aloose cannon billionaire may be an anithesis here, but isn't society anthitetical as well, and it isn't that Trump formed the meanings behind the rhetoric, it was a divided society which he took advantage of, and in that sense, formed him.

He will most likely be reckless, and although I would not compare him with a Hitler, but there are much similarity with Senator McCarthy. The populism , the lies, the need to overcome all obstacles regardless who gets thrown under the bus.

But just as the former over reached, Trump is even more extended. Unless of course he can do what the Senator couldn't, start a war. He can very well do that, even pitting the military against the intelligence services. By doing that, he will declaw the military to do his bidding, by a subtle projection of a misinformed, unintelligent non-military man.
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Re: just got done talking with my mom

Postby Pandora » Sat Feb 25, 2017 8:45 am

Peter Kropotkin wrote:
K: embolden them to do what? Rino's kill more people world wide then
terrorists...and if you are truly worried about keeping people safe, how
about the 11,000 people that died from guns last year in the U.S...
WHAT ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT ABILITY TO PROVIDE SECURITY AND THIS FAILURE
EMBOLDENS THE AGGRESORS??????? if you are serious, really serious about
keeping people safe and secure, let us start with guns and then and only then
can we even begin to think about terrorists.......
if you don't think we have a security issue with guns, then you can't believe
we have an issue with terrorist........

:lol: Sounds like you're more scared of your own people, Peter. I'm not even sure whose side you're on (if it ever came down to making a choice)
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Re: just got done talking with my mom

Postby mannikin » Sat Feb 25, 2017 1:14 pm

Tell your mom to shut up and get those saggy tits out.
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Re: just got done talking with my mom

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Sat Feb 25, 2017 3:34 pm

If the left wins, it's dictatorship. If the right wins, it's dictatorship. I don't see where righteous souls get ahead anywhere in this equation.
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Re: just got done talking with my mom

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Sat Feb 25, 2017 3:37 pm

Peter Kropotkin wrote:
Pandora wrote:
Peter Kropotkin wrote:... the terrorist cannot hurt us unless we allow them to .....
By pretending everything is fine, like what Europe is doing? This only weakens people's trust in the government's ability to provide security and emboldens the aggressors.


K: embolden them to do what? Rino's kill more people world wide then
terrorists...and if you are truly worried about keeping people safe, how
about the 11,000 people that died from guns last year in the U.S...
WHAT ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT ABILITY TO PROVIDE SECURITY AND THIS FAILURE
EMBOLDENS THE AGGRESORS??????? if you are serious, really serious about
keeping people safe and secure, let us start with guns and then and only then
can we even begin to think about terrorists.......
if you don't think we have a security issue with guns, then you can't believe
we have an issue with terrorist........

Kropotkin


Gun rights have actually averted more tragedies than they have caused. Chicago has banned guns and look at it now...

This is why noone respects left or right wing politics anymore.
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Re: just got done talking with my mom

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Sat Feb 25, 2017 3:38 pm

Once leftists ban guns, they will ban steering wheels and force us all into AI driven cars to keep us "safe". The idiocy never ends. Man-children at the helm of all our laws and major political decisions. How do we allow ourselves to be bossed around by these people?
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Re: just got done talking with my mom

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Sat Feb 25, 2017 5:44 pm

Pandora wrote:
Peter Kropotkin wrote:
K: embolden them to do what? Rino's kill more people world wide then
terrorists...and if you are truly worried about keeping people safe, how
about the 11,000 people that died from guns last year in the U.S...
WHAT ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT ABILITY TO PROVIDE SECURITY AND THIS FAILURE
EMBOLDENS THE AGGRESORS??????? if you are serious, really serious about
keeping people safe and secure, let us start with guns and then and only then
can we even begin to think about terrorists.......
if you don't think we have a security issue with guns, then you can't believe
we have an issue with terrorist........

:lol: Sounds like you're more scared of your own people, Peter. I'm not even sure whose side you're on (if it ever came down to making a choice)


K: wtf are you even talking about? I am talking about the fact that
11,000 people died in the US from gun violence and no one seems to care
or do anything about it and how many people died from terrorists acts last year?
I'll be willing to bet the number of people who died in terrorists attacks last year
was less then 200 and everyone panics.... we have our priorities completely
wrong....if you want to end the real terrorism, you have to end the tyranny of guns
in this country..... if you don't care about the 11,000 people who died last year from
gun violence then you don't care about terrorism because guns is a far bigger problem
then terrorism.......

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Re: just got done talking with my mom

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Sat Feb 25, 2017 5:47 pm

Died in gun violence? How many of these "gun violence" are not people defending themselves from crime or harm? If I shoot someone trying to rob me, that would be classified as a statistic of gun violence, wouldn't it?

At what point, do you get sick and tired of listening to the babble of liberals and conservatives, and just wait for the sea of the red nile to wash over them all? I've already explained to you that the statistics may say "11,000 deaths from guns" but it doesn't ever tell you how many lives. were. saved. by guns....If someone has a knife out, and you pull a gun on them, half-the time they lose interest and just walk away...The gun saved. their. life.
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Re: just got done talking with my mom

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Sat Feb 25, 2017 5:48 pm

At what point, do you get tired of spending your time trying to find a youtube video to prove a point, because you know the sea of bias is never gonna stop?
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