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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Fixed Cross » Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:15 pm

Climatology of the brain.
When neurons in general discharge there is much spin being flipped so a lot of nonlocal suff might be going on. A mirror neuron system may be a general receptacle of subatomic consequence, a balancing scale, representing to the brain more or less the climate of decisions that is going to be relevant.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:16 pm

That last paragraph illustrates a lot of what matters in neuroscience. I got dissuaded because there was no proper schematic thinking that can yet be applied to it. No proper structure thinking. At that time I also looked into systems thinking, but it was a dead-end.

Truth be told, with the chess illustrations on Pedro's corners, VO begins to take on a new promising light
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:18 pm

Fixed Cross wrote:"The mirror neurons can be activated only after the goal of the observed action has been attributed by other brain structures."


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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Fixed Cross » Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:31 pm

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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:36 pm

Check it: whoever says individual neurons don't matter is a fool. Whoever says it is a straightforward chain reaction or perfectly discreet localized functions is also at this point a fool.

Whoever thinks more knowledge is held in the past yhan in the future is most fool.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:42 pm

It's not a chemical soup. It's also not a network in any way we understand networks.

Gah. That would have been a fun life. New Age hippies have a tall bill.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Fixed Cross » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:04 pm

TTHence thus Einstein was wrong and QM is crucial.
The irreducibility of the smallest to the greatest.
Irreducibility only goes one way. From beings to God, not from God to being.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Fixed Cross » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:08 pm

Precisely because there is much reduced, the future is able to suck the present into it, and this is why time exists. Time is not a giant bashing his head against a wall of no time. Time is a stream of events sucked in a consistent pull. So it is not a billiard ball situation, but rather a phantom of debris spiralling around into a core of necessity in ever more sentient patterns.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Fixed Cross » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:09 pm

No I didn't get that right.

Still. A void can have many forms when it enters a non-void.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Fixed Cross » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:12 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:Check it: whoever says individual neurons don't matter is a fool. Whoever says it is a straightforward chain reaction or perfectly discreet localized functions is also at this point a fool.

Whoever thinks more knowledge is held in the past than in the future is most fool.

Being is the resistance to direct transmitting of information.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:18 pm

I cannot respect a framework that purposfully gets it wrong.

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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Fixed Cross » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:19 pm

Ah yeah that actually not unlike what we now (don't) know as Dark Matter.
Self-valuing patterns which refuse to transmit the information they're carrying from some primordially previous encounter. Or perhaps it is simply matter waiting to be born into the electromagnetic universe.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:20 pm

Being able to take measurements does not a cogent hypothesis make.

But that's the worst part. It doesn't purport to even be a hypothesis. Just random results. It even posits itself as an impossibility of hypothesis.

Terrible. Just terrible.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Fixed Cross » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:22 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:I cannot respect a framework that purposfully gets it wrong.

Re QM

All it does is acknowledge that we can not reduce a particle to a momentum and a place at the same time. To place it inside of Special Relativity, Ive added: except in its own terms, which can not be embodied by a scientific measuring instrumentarium.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Fixed Cross » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:26 pm

Granted a lot of fools have ran with that and made up universes out of nonsense, but the original quantum mechanic, Heisenberg, was no fool. He merely forced physics to know its place, to know itself.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Fixed Cross » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:27 pm

And indeed, any cosmological hypothesis built on that uncertainty principle can only be a pie in the sky. It can fundamentally not have to do with reality external to the observer.

In short and James S Saint put it, Quantum Mechanics is valid, but there is no such thing as Quantum Physics.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Fixed Cross » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:31 pm

Whoever says it is a straightforward chain reaction or perfectly discreet localized functions is also at this point a fool.

Yes. But this is directly against Einstein and goes further than Heisenberg, who was merely talking about our inability to know the exact soul of a particle.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Fixed Cross » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:34 pm

All we can know of things is how they change.

Whatever doesn't change cant be known.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:38 pm

Well I was talking about neurons. Neurons we've seen and observed their actions. More than can be said for these alleged particles.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:39 pm

There are no particles in QM, only measurements.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:43 pm

The measurements depend on assuming the "particle" cannot be known, yet we are all supposed to be amazed at that the measurments only work if the "particle" cannot be known. Nah.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:46 pm

To me, QM= raw data waiting for a hypothesis
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:48 pm

These "particles" remain hypothetical. But even by definition lol
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:49 pm

What was Elegant about Einstein os that he only did maths once he had somewhere for rhe maths to go
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:31 pm

The cruciap thing to understand is that light is not as complicated as most would have us believe. "Is it a ray? Is it a wave?" is a false freak-out.
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