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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Jakob » Sun Jun 30, 2019 5:43 pm

I actually know several people who died because of weed. Like, several. The myth is always that it didn't kill anyone ever.
But I suspect now that what killed these people really is the stigma that they had to carry because they happened to like the effect of weed and lived in a society that is emotionally violently stunted.

I don't know how else to put it. It gets worse as the towns get larger. People all primarily need to be "okay". "Top".

Hoe gaat het?
Top man, top. Met you?
Jaaaa, toppie. Topperdetop.
He, gaan we effe lekker een drankje doen?
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Jakob » Sun Jun 30, 2019 5:45 pm

Meno:

"Im a shaman in my blood. Im wanted for the seven sins but lost em in the mud."

Ignorance is never bliss. Learning is the actual bliss.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Jakob » Sun Jun 30, 2019 5:48 pm

Did you ever have someone close to you kill him or herself?

And if so, did you ever have someone close to you kill him or herself close to you?
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Jakob » Sun Jun 30, 2019 5:50 pm

I said: he was too good for this world.

But the only people who are too good for this world are those that endure it and thereby improve it.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Jakob » Sun Jun 30, 2019 5:51 pm

"Angels end their angst on the pavement. I don't like it. Too messy of a statement."

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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Jakob » Sun Jun 30, 2019 5:53 pm

Not only did he kill himself six feet from my bed, he also did it right after my birthday.

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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Jakob » Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:00 pm



My previous birthday he'd given me the album.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Jakob » Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:03 pm

He always have me awesome birthday gifts. This one was so awesome because he had gathered what was good for me then very keenly, he was growing up very well, considerate, far from the austist many people had believed he was.

But when he wasn't grown up he would draw me comics and create bundles of awesome items that didn't really exist before. We both knew it was pointless to seek for truth in what already existed.

Yes, this we knew very well.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Jakob » Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:11 pm

I guess what killed him was reading the Bible and other spiritual books. If he had stuck with Manga and Russian literature and comics, he would like not have been tied down so heavily in dirt.

Spiritual filth, it is in almost every ancient book you will open. But thats really: not of your kind.

For me, only Homer, the Torah and Runic lore are wholesome in as far as spiritual lyrics go.

Others are no less powerful - and sometimes inevitable - but they don't keep, hold, what is most dear to me.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Jakob » Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:14 pm

The sublime arrogance of the Christian: the idea that he can love everyone and everything as much as they could possibly merit.

And some Christians actually go a long way. But still, arrogance.

Odin does not have this arrogance. Here, love is merely the sap that slowly, deliberately and unstoppably thrusts the world into growth and yield to the light.

The sap of a plant is the earth that has been selected to ascend up to the light.

Leaves are heaven. Heaven is being leaf.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Jakob » Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:18 pm

That has selected itself.


Because vitality is in the sap, not in the other part of the plant.

So sap is the stronger earth that is able to accept the invitation of the light and ascend to the gates of its premises through being tree, becoming leaf, sometimes fruit -

What is a fruit, in this scheme?
A byproduct that guarantees the procreation of the scheme.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Meno_ » Sun Jun 30, 2019 7:26 pm

iambiguous wrote:
A Shieldmaiden wrote:Encouraging others to form groups of people who are likeminded, in my mind only creates the death knell of challenging.



Indeed: http://knowthyself.forumotion.net/f6-agora

And, based on my own experience with these "like minded folks", that's often just one more rendition of this: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=185296

The "are you one of us" or "one of them" mentality of the objectivists.




Both. Anti Nihilism ground up. Dostoevsky need not devolve further the letters from under ground, pre Socratics like Homer are sublimely connected, as the Tora, has a prescription as does the ultimate sacrifice .

Here for both and years of self imposed slavery does earn credit in the immense non ending Vedas of the worlds Karmic manifestations, such hubris dissolves any sense of shame within bounded partly realized differentiation s, for the deepest fears imaginable.

The images are narcotic self induced fed back bio degradable chemical transitions which reflect Babylonian captivity.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Jakob » Sun Jun 30, 2019 7:44 pm

142857

icon_post_target.gifby Iona » Thu Jan 01, 2015 5:59 am

What happens when we converge 7 with the 9-wheel?

Two full cycles; 7x2=14, 14x9=126


142857
285714
428571
571428
714285
857142
999999 <---7th term
1142856
1285713
1428570
1571427
1714284
1857141
1999998 <--- 14th term
2142855
2285712
2428569
2571426
2714283
2857140
2999997 <--- 21st term
3142854
3285711
3428568
3571425
3714282
3857139
3999996 <--- 28th term
4142853
4285710
4428567
4571424
4714281
4857138
4999995 <--- 35th term
5142852
5285709
5428566
5571423
5714280
5857137
5999994 <--- 42nd term
6142851
6285708
6428565
6571422
6714279
6857136
6999993 <--- 49th term
7142850
7285707
7428564
7571421
7714278
7857135
7999992 <--- 56th term
8142849
8285706
8428563
8571420
8714277
8857134
8999991 <--- 63rd term
9142848
9285705
9428562
9571419
9714276
9857133
9999990 <--- 70th term
10142847
10285704
10428561
10571418
10714275
10857132
10999989 <--- 77th term
11142846
11285703
11428560
11571417
11714274
11857131
11999988 <--- 84th term
12142845
12285702
12428559
12571416
12714273
12857130
12999987 <--- 91st term
13142844
13285701
13428558
13571415
13714272
13857129
13999986 <--- 98th term
14142843
14285700 <--- ( 100th term )
14428557
14571414
14714271
14857128
14999985 <--- 105th term
15142842
15285699
15428556
15571413
15714270
15857127
15999984 <--- 112th term
16142841
16285698
16428555
16571412
16714269
16857126
16999983 <--- 119th term
17142840
17285697
17428554
17571411
17714268
17857125
17999982 <--- 126th term


The 7th terms create the integers moving +1 on the left side and -1 on the right side.

Only the 7th terms, and continuing for some more terms,

999999
1999998
2999997
3999996
4999995
5999994
6999993
7999992
8999991
9999990
10999989
11999988
12999987
13999986
14999985
15999984
16999983
17999982
18999981 <--- 133rd term
19999980
20999979
21999978
22999977 <--- 161st term
23999976
24999975
25999974
26999973
27999972 <--- 196th term

Amazing... counting down on the right from 99, and counting up on the left from 9.

Not to mention the unbelievable gymnastics these numbers are doing to maintain their original 142857 form.. I went into this in my main mathematics topic, but for a brief refresher:

142857
285714
428571
571428
714285
857142

These hold their form and merely shift around to place the first terms in order.

999999

Term hitting on the 7; principle point of reconciliation between 7 and 9 (the 7-form breaks down, giving way to 9's only).


1142856

To break down these numbers from here on our, we must identify the core of the original structure first; in this case it is "14285", then we see there is a 1 in front and a 6 at the end.

1+6=7

Thus we add the front number to the end number, arriving at the original sequence, this number is "142857", the eight term is also the first original term.


1285713

Same operation here; 28571 is the core, 1+3=4 so this number is "285714", the ninth term here is also second original term.


1428570

Not sure what happens here. The 10th term is strange.


1571427

The core is 57142, and 1+7=8, so this is "571428"; the 11th term is also the 4th original term.

Now you see the pattern, and can figure out these others too.


1714284
1857141
1999998
2142855
2285712
2428569
2571426
2714283
2857140
2999997
3142854
3285711
3428568
3571425


To pick out a tricky one, look at "3428568"

The core is 4285, which means that two numbers have been changed.

Follow the rule, we add the first and last terms, 3+8=11

Now we have "4285611"

Now introduce a new rule, which will work in all such cases: that two-digit number at the end is split down the middle, first half adds to the preceding term, second half remains where it is.

So we get: 428571, this is the 3rd original term out of the 24th overall term.

Easier way is to just add 3+68 in the original number, to get 71 to complete it.


Another example with this rule,

4428567 is the 31st term

Identify the core: 4285

Add the front and end terms: 4+67=71

Now we have "428571"

Based on the splitting rule,

4+7=11, "4285611 is "428571"
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Re: 142857

icon_post_target.gifby Iona » Thu Jan 01, 2015 6:12 am

To see how truly complex and unbreakable this number is, look at these further multiples.

11571417

Core is 5714.

11+17=28, thus we get "571428" again.


28428543

Core is 4285.

28+43=71, so we get "428571" to complete it.



A harder one,

713427858

There are two possible cores, 42 and 85. Let's try 42 first.

713+7858=8571 ....bingo.

We combine them and get "428571".


Can you even believe this? Utterly amazing. Now I am going to go way way up the chain and break down a huge one.

2134426437 <--- the 14941st term

The only possible core is 42.

Adding in from the edges inward,

2134+6437=8571

Bingo. It is "428571".

This number cannot be broken.
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Re: 142857

icon_post_target.gifby Iona » Thu Jan 01, 2015 4:17 pm

I know now what that 10th term is doing. Every 10th term is merely taking the regular form and adding a 0 at the end. If the 10th term lands on a non-7th term then it will be a "142857" +0 at te end, if the 10th term lands on a 7th term then it will be a "999999" +0 at the end.


...

999999/8=124999.875
999999/7=142857
999999/6=166666.5
999999/5=199999.8
999999/4=249999.75
999999/3=333333
999999/2=499999.5


999999x142857=142856857143
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Re: 142857

icon_post_target.gifby Fixed Cross » Thu Jan 01, 2015 5:35 pm

Amazing,
Marveling I ended up googling -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/142857_%28number%29
http://www.decisionsciencenews.com/2013 ... ng-142857/

Man has not been lazy, mathematics is perhaps truly the place where man is at his most manly, dignified, exalted, least debilitated. Here, philosophy can be at home and cause unadulterated beauty.

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Primes are of course real in the sense of of a 'number of objects' - thus in as far as the numbers represent amounts. Thus we get a glimpse on the reality of the number seven.

I think that 7 is the first true prime.
1/3 = .33333 and 120.
1/5 = .2 and 72
Both are extremely well dividable, 1/5 even yields the golden ratio.

But 1/7 brings not ratio, but number. That is why it is prime, no will to be weird, no will to be -- it must be split up. Even light finds in 7 its breakdown.


1/7 is the unbreakable number. 142857 142857 142857 142857 142857 142857 142857 142857

I wonder which primes first form this number in sequence.

1 2 3 5 7 2 4 8 1 5 2 4 1 5 7 2 8 5 7 4 8 1 7 2 8 7 2 4 8 1 5 1 5 2 4 5 7 4 1 5 2 8 1 2 2 7 1 4 7 2 4 8 5 7 8 5 2 8 1 7 2 4 5 1 5 7 2 7 4 5 7 2 8 7 4 1 5 2 1 5 4 5 7 8 1 7 2 8 7 2 4

1 2 3 5 7 11 13 17 19 23 29 31 37 41 43 47 53 59 61 67 71 73 79 83 89 97 101 103 107 109 113

11329535961

Notice: 60 is the first 369 prime filler meat that appears in this sequence. It fits nicely that 60 is the combination of the 9 and the 10, being 6.66666 of 9 and 6 of 10, and .666666 of 360.

But I really wonder where the sequence of primes produces this number directly.
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Re: 142857

icon_post_target.gifby Fixed Cross » Thu Jan 01, 2015 6:42 pm

A look at some 'meat right off the prime' -- 369's squeezed in most snugly.

1 2 3 (5 7) (11 13) (17 19) 23 (29 31) 37 (41 43) 47 53 (59 61) 67 [(71 73) 79 83 89 97 (101 103) (107 109) 113 127 131 (137 139) (149 151) 157 163 167 173 (179 181) (191 193) (197 199) 211 223 (227 229) 233 (239 241) 251 257 263 (269 271) 277 (281 283) 293 307 (311 313) 317 331 337 (347 349) 353 359 367 373 379 383 389 397 401 409 (419 421) (431 433) 439 443 449 457 (461 463) 467 479 487 491 499 503 509 (521 523)

6 12 18 30 42 60 72 102 108 138 150 180 192 198 228 240 270 282 312 348 420 432 462 522

The differences:

6 6 12 12 18 12 30 6 30 12 30 12 6 30 12 30 12 30 36 72 30 48
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Re: 142857

icon_post_target.gifby Iona » Thu Jan 01, 2015 11:04 pm

499

49 is 7x7, 9 is 3x3

7x7x3x3=441

441-9=432

432 is 9x48, 48 is 8x6

'888888' x 9 = "432" , 432+9=441, 441+(7x7)=490, 490+9=499


499 is 'prime', yet contains plenty of divisions in itself.

The point is that it cannot be divided into "hard edged numbers", yet the fluidity within the number is great. 498 can be divided by 2, by 6, etc,. but 499 cannot be divided by anything, according to the prime system. Yet 498 and 499 can each break down in many ways as I noted above.

So given what we know now about numbers, what is the true meaning of "prime number"?
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Re: 142857

icon_post_target.gifby Iona » Fri Jan 02, 2015 6:27 pm

Fixed Cross wrote:A look at some 'meat right off the prime' -- 369's squeezed in most snugly.

1 2 3 (5 7) (11 13) (17 19) 23 (29 31) 37 (41 43) 47 53 (59 61) 67 [(71 73) 79 83 89 97 (101 103) (107 109) 113 127 131 (137 139) (149 151) 157 163 167 173 (179 181) (191 193) (197 199) 211 223 (227 229) 233 (239 241) 251 257 263 (269 271) 277 (281 283) 293 307 (311 313) 317 331 337 (347 349) 353 359 367 373 379 383 389 397 401 409 (419 421) (431 433) 439 443 449 457 (461 463) 467 479 487 491 499 503 509 (521 523)

6 12 18 30 42 60 72 102 108 138 150 180 192 198 228 240 270 282 312 348 420 432 462 522

The differences:

6 6 12 12 18 12 30 6 30 12 30 12 6 30 12 30 12 30 36 72 30 48


So these numbers are being regulated by 'spaces' determined in 3's, 6's and 9's.

Therefore we can think of the prime numbers as expressions of emergence from within an implicitly 9-based system, primes are instances where the system produces convergences in the medial spaces between these points. The prime numbers themselves, starting with 7 as you noted, indicate the beginning and end delimitation points in between which rest mutable 9's.

Hm... with this in mind I wonder if we can construct something really interesting here. Looking at those spaces themselves, we might try to group them up. In what quantities should we group them? Let's try building a magic square with them.

7 11 13 17 19 23 29 31 37 41 43 47 53 59 61

Spaces in between,

4 2 4 2 4 6 2 6 4 2 4 6 6 2

4 2 2
2 4 6
4 6 4

Because every prime must be an 'odd' number, numbers in between will be even.

A space of 4 means there is 1 number situated exactly in-between the primes on either side, with another distance of 1 situated between that middle number and its bordering numbers, like this

19 (21) 23

In between we have 19 20 (21) 22 23

42 rings the 21 within the larger guards of 19 and 23. We know that 19 and 23 are "end points" delimiting the medial space of fluid 9's. So let's see about this space directly,

20+21+22=63

6+3=9
6x3=18 (9)

63 is a 36 mirror , 6x6=36

63 is "six 3's"

333333 , 3+3 x 3+3 x 3+3 = 6x6x6 (three 6's) = 216

21 is 7x3, 6 is 2x3, that is "72"

Notice also how the "six 3's" and "three 6's" transpose into each other as above.

6+6 x 6 = 72

The investigation into the medial space bounded by these two primes 19 and 23 reveals a lot of interesting stuff. The primes are '4' distance apart meaning there is a distance of '3' between them (the three numbers 20, 21 and 22). The average of those three numbers is 21. We just saw "216" and "72", both are 9's.


Let's examine another medial space, I will choose something at random from a large list of prime numbers.

587 593

Distance between is '6'. That means there are 5 numbers hidden in-between which should constitute the fluid 9-space.

588 589 590 591 592

590 is ringed by 589 and 591, which is then further ringed by 588 and 592

That is 21 22 14 15 16 , or | 3 4 5 6 7 |

5 guarded by "1" and "1"

Together all that is "25", or 5+1+1=7

2+5=7

And 5x5=25 (7)

So this medial space is actually a 7 (another prime).

The last medial space was 63 (9), which is 9x7

7, as the first true prime, may be important.

Working with the original numbers here we get, 2950, 2+9+5=16, 1+6=7

Converging the numbers 2+0=2, 9+5=14 (5), "25" , 2+5=7 , also "214" (7)

Or we use the 0 mirror 2955 and get 2+5=7, 9+5=14 (5), "75" or "714"

7+5=12 (3), 7+1+4=12 (3)

75 is "7|14"

"714" is 7 and 7x2

2950/9=327.7777... or 3|27 and 7/9

27 is 3x9

That is also "12".777...

587 and 593 are also 20 and 17, the distance between which is 3, or

17-2=15 (6)

And

20-8=12 (3)

So the distance is a hard 7 (prime), but a fluid 3 and 6 (9).

Since these primes are set up guarding a medial space of five numbers rather than three numbers, perhaps this has to do with how the fluid 9's construct a hard 7.

Random primes I pulled, one pair with a 3-distance between and one pair with a 5-distance between.

883 887 (3 spaces in between)

991 997 (5 spaces in between)

884 885 886 is 21 (3) ringed by 20 and 22 , 2 3 4

2+3+4=9 , or 884+885+886=2655 which is "18" (9)

2655/9=295 (7)

This is really getting back to my former work with 2, 5 and 7. These numbers are a kind of self-repeating organic matrix.

Now we see that the 3-space, again, is a fluid 9. What about the 5-space?

992 993 994 995 996

That is 2 3 4 5 6

2+3+4+5+6=20 (2)

992+993+994+995+996=4970 which is "11" (2)



Ok I have a theory...

Primes ringing medial spaces of 3 guard fluid 9's, but primes ringing medial spaces of 5 are actually part of larger x3 patterns as 5x3=15 (6) or x9 patterns as 5x9=45 (9). These are two patterns going on under the primes... if we analyze a large set of them we might find these patterns under the numbers. This is going to take a while, but hey, I have nothing to do right now, so let's do it.

...

307 311 313 317 331 337 347 349 353
359 367 373 379 383 389 397 401 409
419 421 431 433 439 443 449 457 461
463 467 479 487 491 499

In terms of medial spaces, this is

3 1 3 17 5 9 1 3 5
7 5 5 3 5 7 3 7 9
1 9 1 5 3 5 7 3 1
3 11 7 3 7

Would you look at that... 3's but no 6's at all.

Every medial space is 'odd'. The 17 and 11 were especially surprising.

Keep in mind these are medial spaces we are interested in here. The idea is that the primes are 'guarding' these medial spaces which themselves constitute fluid 9's of some kind. The trick I think is to isolate a medial space and determine its center and the ring around that center.

[307] 308 309 310 [311]

309 (3) ringed by 308+310=618 (6)


[311] 312 [313]

6 with no ring.


[313] 314 315 316 [317]

9 ringed by 314+316=630 (9)


[317] 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 [331]

9 ringed by 318+319+320+321+322+323+325+326+327+328+329+330

9 ringed by 3888 which is 27 (9)


So far we are holding the pattern, if the center is 3 it is ringed by 6, if the center is 6 it has no ring, and if the center is 9 it is ringed by 9. Let's see if this holds.


[331] 332 333 334 335 336 [337]

1 ringed by 332+333+335+336=1336 (13)

Oh this is an interesting one. Prime numbers 331 and 337 (7 and 4) guard a core of 1 with a 13 ring.


[337] 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 [347]

9 ringed by 338+339+340+341+343+344+345+346=2736 =18 (9)

The rule holds here, 9 is ringed by 9.


[347] 348 [349]

348 is 3+4+8=15 (6)

6 with no ring. The rule holds again.


[349] 350 351 352 [353]

9 ringed by 350+352=702 (9) , the rule holds.


[353] 354 355 356 357 358 [359]

3+5+6=14 (5)

Before I calculate this ring I want to think about the pattern we are seeing here, to see if I can predict it.

We found 1 ringed by 13 (4), 3 ringed by 6, 6's with no ring, and 9' ringed by 9.

The even part of the fluid 9, which is 6, is unringed, meaning it does not need a "substance" gathered around it within the guards.. this might be a clue for us. If 6 is ringless then we see the primes are guarding a 6-space itself, meaning that "6" is the key. When a different number is being guarded as the core, a ring is constructed around that core. The purpose of the ring might be to insulate the number as a nest.

1+4=5
3+6=9
6+0=6
9+9=18

1 gathers a 4 around itself to create a 5-substance, 3 gathers a 6 around itself to create a 9-substance, 6 stands alone as 6, and 9 gathers another 9 around itself to create a 18-substance.

9 doubles, 3 triples, 1 quadruples (and 6 remains as it is)

1x4, 3x2, 9x1

Now we have a core of '5'. How could 5 fit into this pattern?

The only thing I can think of with that 1 (4) is that it is set in between two 9's ringed with 9's. The pattern 1 5 9 may be important here if we want to situate the 5 in all this.

We might theorize that the 5 will also exist within a 9 ringed with a 9, meaning that the next pair of primes 359 and 367 should be a 9 with a 9 ring; but what will 5 ring itself with? 1 rings itself with 13 (4), 1+4=5. So maybe 5 rings itself with 4, 5+4=9?

Let's try it out.


[353] 354 355 356 357 358 [359]

3+5+6=14 (5)

5 ringed by 354+355+357+358=1424 (11)

Oh, we have 5 with a 2-ring. That is interesting.

1 (13) and 5 (11)

1 constructs a 5-substance, 5 constructs a 7-substance.

We've seen previously that 1+4=5 and 2+5=7 are very important aspects of the numbers. I want to see if these patterns hold. So far there are no exceptions to how the cores in-between the prime guards work with their rings, so let's keep going.


[359] 360 361 362 363 364 365 366 [367]

3 ringed by 360+361+362+364+365+366=2178 (18) (9)

The pattern broke down, but we see something else interesting. 3 invoked 9 here. That is 12 (3) again.


So far:

1 rings itself with 4 (and 1 is also "5" as 1 is 9+1=10 which is 5x2, think about the number wheel and how 9 might split itself directly down the middle.. it can't, but with the addition of '1' it becomes "10" and splits directly down to 5.)

5 rings itself with 2
3 rings itself with 6 or 9
9 rings itself with 9
And 6 has no ring at all.

I'm skipping ahead to a few more ringless medial spaces, to see if the 6 rule holds.

[419] 420 [421]

6 with no ring.

[431] 432 [433]

Oh look here, we have a 9 with no ring! This 9 is guarded by "8" and "1", while the last ringless space 6 was guarded by "5" and "7".. before that we had two other ringless spaces 6 guarded by 5 and 7 both times!


All right, we have a new pattern to theorize about.

Prime guards of 9 can guard 9-cores with no ring, while prime guards of 5 and 7 (5+7=3) can guard 6-cores with no ring.

[461] 462 [463]

A ringless 3 guarded by 2 and 4 (6).

We have, in terms of ringless cores, 3's being guarded by 6's and 6's being guarded by 3's, and 9's being guarded by 9's. Fantastic!

...

I am going to try some predictive magic here, based on what I now theorize. Let's find some prime guards that match these configurations and predict what their medial space will do.

1607 1609

These I pulled out because they guard a ringless space, and these guards are 5 and 7. Remember last time we had this set-up? It was with these numbers,

[347] 348 [349]

Where a ringless 6 appears. So we will predict that another ringless 6 will appear in these new primes 1607 and 1609.

[1607] 1608 [1609]

1+6+8=15 (6), we were right.

Let's try another ringless prediction. 2711 2713 is "2 and 4", have we seen this yet? Yes, we saw it above with these numbers,

[461] 462 [463] , a ringless 3 guarded by 2 and 4 (6).

Let's predict these new primes I pulled (and have not analyzed yet) will give us a medial space of a ringless 3.

[2711] 2712 [2713]

2+7+1+2=12 (3)

Bingo.
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icon_post_target.gifby Iona » Fri Jan 02, 2015 10:14 pm

Continuing with some random Primes I pulled,

6599 6607 6619 6637 6653 6659 6661 6673
6679 6689 6691 6701 6703 6709 6719 6733 6737 6761
6763 6779 6781 6791 6793 6803


[6599] 6600 6601 6602 6603 6604 6605 6606 [6607]

6 ringed by 6600+6601+6602+6604+6605+6606=39618 <-- look at that.

The prime guardians in this case are "11" (2) and "19" (1). It looks like such minuscule guardians force that '6' to draw a massively fluid 9-ring around itself.


[6607] 6608 6609 6610 6611 6612 6613 6614 6615 6616 6617 6618 [6619]

7 inside a ring of 6608+6609+6610+6611+6612+6614+6615+6616+6617+6618=66130

66130 around 6613... wow. 7 and 7. I was wondering about that "7" being guarded here. Haven't seen that yet.

The guards in this case are "19" and "13", 1 and 4. 7+7=14

[6619] 6620 6621 6622 6623 6624 6625 6626 6627 6628 6629 6630 6631 6632 6633 6634 6635 6636 [6637]

4 with a ring of 6620+6621+6622+6623+6624+6625+6626+6627+6629+6630+6631+6632+6633+6634+6635+6636=106048 (19)

You know what I think is happening here.. these larger values require more substance between the guards. As the fluid 9's are necessarily larger the higher the numbers get. Primes are points of absolute divergence from the 9-order. They are "sentinels" between which values flow organically. Thus primes are a bit "unnatural" or rather like passageways between worlds.

I still need to do that analysis of multiple medial spaces together, but that will take some time.. if anyone wants to help.
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icon_post_target.gifby Fixed Cross » Sat Jan 03, 2015 1:58 am

This is amazing, this is a kind of field theory. What's happening... yeah the primes are indeed those beyond-existence vortex points, markers of 'flesh' the word keeps coming to me before I think about it, in which the fluid 9's are, looks like, the most plasmic form whereas the 7 is the most unyielding, which is why it appears in those 'deserts' --

But this would give "8" a supreme importance below the surface. 8 would be like the contingent operations director. Where 9 is the formal justification and 7 is the 'destroyer' that follows the perfect order of 6. 9 is extremely exalted, but it can never interfere. It always brings everything to a higher level of itself. 8 brings everything up one level and back one step. This is a very solid mechanism, as the expanse is measurable in two axes without having to use transformations. 1 up is 1 down, yet work is done. 8 is awesome, but works behind the scenes.

17_19 - 71 _73 107_109

These are some very fertile 9's.
18, 72, 108 -

I am guessing 7 points to "chaos" (and dancing stars) - "difference" and 8 to superior order - "repetition"... It's hard to be against 8. But he is truly the reverse of 1. He is the thing that allows for will to power-economy.
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icon_post_target.gifby Fixed Cross » Sat Jan 03, 2015 3:02 am

8 primes

17 71

difference:
54

27 27!

17 + 27 = 44

71 - 27 = 44

44 = 8
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by Fixed Cross » Wed Dec 24, 2014 5:31 pm
360 . 60 . 60

1296000

These are the 'bits', the quantitive elements.

315 / 711 / 18
9

1296
648
432
324
259.2
216
185.142857143
162
144

Im sure it's obvious, but why are 9 and .4 here related?
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by Iona » Tue Dec 30, 2014 12:24 am
Fixed Cross wrote:
360 . 60 . 60

1296000

These are the 'bits', the quantitive elements.

315 / 711 / 18
9

1296
648
432
324
259.2
216
185.142857143
162
144

Im sure it's obvious, but why are 9 and .4 here related?


Cool numbers.

1296/315=4.1142857142857143

"1296" reduces to a 144 principle, 144 is 9x16 or 18x8 or 36x4 or 72x2.

144x9=1296

1296/711=1.8227848101265823

711 is "72", or 711/9=79 (9x8 +7)

1296/18=72

Im sure it's obvious, but why are 9 and .4 here related?


Hm.. .4 is 4, or 4/9 or .4444... in 9:10 cycle conversion.

The 360 circle is the system of reference between 9 and 10, as in 9x4=36, 360/4=90 and 360/.4=900, "9".

9/.4=22.5
9x.4=3.6 (360)

1296/22.5=57.6 (3.6, or 360)

( "12" collapses always to "3", it is 9+3 literally. )

1296x.4=518.4 (14.4) <-- I got this number recently too

360x.4=144
1296x.1111111...=144

(.11111... is "9" as 1/9)


Not sure if any of that helps...
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Re: 1296
by Iona » Tue Dec 30, 2014 12:26 am
Other nice numbers,

1296x3.6=4665.6
1296x22.5=29160

4665.6/60=77.76
29160/60=486
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Re: 1296
by Fixed Cross » Tue Dec 30, 2014 12:42 am
Yes, very nice. I did sense that 9 and 10 systems connected through this. Nice to finally have some 'mathematical sense' it is now pertaining to the mind itself, to the logic of being. In this way I can perceive precisely why 'freedom' merges with logic - this clarifies how freedom is beauty, and how it is required to understand logic - the actual axis is meta-logical, 'difference and repetition'. Anyway I see now the fundamental relation of angles and the elements of the 9 wheel, sets of numbers pertain to sets of angles.
22.5 is strange. The first numerically broken hard angle.

1296x22.5=29160

Nice. Numbers 'crush' in angles.
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Re: 1296
by Fixed Cross » Tue Dec 30, 2014 12:48 am
The number of topics as I looked was 3 and the number of views 14.

[edit - this is my 341st post]
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Re: 1296
by Iona » Tue Dec 30, 2014 1:00 am
360x.4=144
1296x.1111111...=144

(.11111... is "9" as 1/9)


This is full of beauty.
22.5 is strange. The first numerically broken hard angle.

1296x22.5=29160

Nice. Numbers 'crush' in angles.


It is interesting that 29160 is 1296 rearranged. The 22.5 is also 4.5 (2+2=4, this is also proven because 9x2=18 and 18+4=22) thus 4.5 or "45" is also an important factor in the hard-angle of 22.5

1296x4.5=5832

5832/9=648 <-- I've definitely seen this number recently somewhere else in my work

5832 is 5 and "832" which is 9x92=828 +4.

I just figured it out, 832 is "13" (remember 13 is also 1+3=4),

13
26
52
104
208
416
832

5832/16=364.5 (days in a year)

5832 is "729" (which is also 9^3, "1000" in base 9)

729
1458
2916
5832


So the 22.5 cut as 4.5 gives with your 1296 number 5832, which is 729 doubled up four times.

Also, 729x5=3645 (remember above 5832/16=364.5 )

365 is also 13 just like 832 is 13


....Your numbers are coming from a 9+4 system, this is very interesting. Look at this,

1296/13=99.6923076923076923

That repeating decimal ".692307" is the ratio 9/13.

Your number 1296 is a "9/13" relation as 1296/9=144. It seems to resolve the 9 and 13 systems together in fascinating ways.
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by Iona » Tue Dec 30, 2014 1:00 am
Fixed Cross wrote:
The number of topics as I looked was 3 and the number of views 14.

[edit - this is my 341st post]


Ha - very nice!
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Re: 1296
by Iona » Tue Dec 30, 2014 1:02 am
81 relates 1296 in terms of 16, 1296/16=81

22.5 relates 360 in terms of 16, 360/16=22.5

16 is "7"
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Re: 1296
by Iona » Tue Dec 30, 2014 1:08 am
Wow... one more I just saw,

185.142857... / 51.428571... = 3.6

185.142857... is 1296/7

51.428571... is 360/7

Your number is 360 x 3.6
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Re: 1296
by Fixed Cross » Tue Dec 30, 2014 1:29 am
Interesting. The street number Im living at now is 13.
erm - the number where I'm moving to tomorrow (the tower) is 1602.

That is... bizarre.


I made up a psychological profile on Pi.
Let's say the circle is the 1 that does not want to encounter the 2. And let's say that the 3.14 represents a ways for 1 to proceed without 2.

3.141592

the first 2 that is in the game is beyond the 9. Of course 3 and 1 are one here... as a principle. And 1 is, on the principle of the invisible attractor 2, immediately repeated as soon as the power-threshold of 2 (2x2) has been crossed.

further -

65358979323
it takes a long time for 2 to return,
and when it does it is enclosed between two guards.

84626
it has transformed its guards

4338
there is one of them

327
deeper transformation

9502...
And now by means of a zero a pure two is introduced, which is apparently enough for an enormous counteroffensive.

....88419716939937510582097
the first pure stretch where all other numbers occur before the next 2, after which the sequence is immediately quarantined.
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by Iona » Tue Dec 30, 2014 1:42 am
Goddammit man that is brilliant.
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Re: 1296
by Fixed Cross » Tue Dec 30, 2014 1:33 pm
Thank you. It is amazing to see them come to life, the numbers. I would had never imagined this.
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Re: 1296
by Fixed Cross » Tue Dec 30, 2014 2:46 pm
Look -

2 3 5 7 11 13 17 19 23 29 31 37 41 43 47 53 59 61 67 71 73 79 83 89 97 101 103 107 109 113

1 2 3 5 7 2 4 8 1 5 2 4 8 1 5 7 2 8 5 74 8 1 7 2 8 7 2 4 1 5
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by Fixed Cross » Tue Dec 30, 2014 3:16 pm
127 131 137 139 149 151 157 163 167 173
179 181 191 193 197 199 211 223 227 229
233 239 241 251 257 263 269 271 277 281

1 5 2 4 5 7 4 1 5 2 8 1 2 2 7 1 4 7 2 4 8 5 7 8 5 2 8 1 7 2

283 293 307 311 313 317 331 337 347 349
353 359 367 373 379 383 389 397 401 409
419 421 431 433 439 443 449 457 461 463

4 5 1 5 7 2 7 4 5 7 2 8 7 4 1 5 2 1 5 4 5 7 8 1 7 2 8 7 2 4



It appears that prime numbers do not amount in 3, 6 or 9.

That 369 axis then represents numbers that are 'charged', apparently if a number breaks down to 3, 6 or 9 this means that it is a compound, perhaps a 'substance' - this grid through the table of integers is then a kind of 'flesh' to the skeleton that we see in the numbers 124578.

I haven't seen that sequence appear in that order yet, curious where/if it might arise.
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Re: 1296
by Iona » Tue Dec 30, 2014 4:37 pm
That is a fantastic discovery.

I will work in this later when I manage to get free time. In the meanwhile I have happened to crack these numbers wide open and see how the number wheel and 9 work in "infinite cycle progressions" to create the base 10 system. Interestingly this relates back to .9999... =1, the infamous proof.

More later when, as I said, I have the time.
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Re: 1296
by Fixed Cross » Tue Dec 30, 2014 10:48 pm
Damn, the air is cracking

Let's look at the quality of that 'meat' directly between two primes.

283 293 307 311 313 317 331 337 347 349

In between is 312 ("6") 104, 52, 26, 13

And here:

419 421

In between is 420 ("6") (42=6x7, 6+7=13) But 420 of itself seems an important number. It is 60 degrees beyond 360, so it's -'ten past one'- 0110 -- haha.

431 433

In between is 432, ("9"), 216, 108, 54, 27

439 443 449 457 461 463
In between is 462 ("3")

Wow this 3 is not very generous at all. The 9 before it is beautiful, 48x9.

edit - that 3 is actually vey generous.
462 = 77x6 = 11x7x6 = 66x7 = 11x42 (462/360 = 77/60)
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Re: 1296
by Fixed Cross » Wed Dec 31, 2014 1:21 am
(6131) (6133)

6132

So it's a 3, a juicy one.

Let's just split it in half first.
3066
Hmmm...

Every one a piece

1022 with 1022 still on the table.

511 -- ?
what is this?

6132 / 9 = 681.3333333333333333

1.61803398875
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Re: 1296
by Iona » Wed Dec 31, 2014 1:32 am
Fixed Cross wrote:
(6131) (6133)

6132

So it's a 3, a juicy one.

Let's just split it in half first.
3066
Hmmm...

Every one a piece

1022 with 1022 still on the table.

511 -- ?
what is this?

6132 / 9 = 681.3333333333333333

1.61803398875


Hahaha... I fucking cracked up seeing this.. it is truly remarkable.. I mean what the fuck is happening here...

511 yes what a strange number indeed.
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Re: 1296
by Iona » Thu Jan 01, 2015 4:16 am
In thinking on this some more, I think the primes are actually an artificial construct -- reality doesn't really care about or have "numbers that divide only by themselves and 1". Every number divides many different ways, how we choose to call that division is up to us.

For example, 7 is prime, yet 7 divides as 52/2=26, as "52" is a 7 (9x5=45 +7), and remember that no number is ever "isolated" and alone.. a 7 is never just a 7, it contains infinitudes within itself.

The mathematicians work of identifying primes is based on a mistaken view of the ontological nature of numbers. That being said, there are maybe some interesting applications for this artificial set. Since primes are basically just "basic numbers" (non-multiples) in a simplistic sense one could design a system of encryption or organization based around this principle of identifying numbers that are "basic" vs. derivative. But again, the distinction seems artificial.

Maybe primes are pulling out all the numbers that hold to the human level of simplistic identification... numbers (like some people) that have no "will to be weird".
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Re: 1296
by Iona » Thu Jan 01, 2015 4:45 am
Fixed Cross wrote:
127 131 137 139 149 151 157 163 167 173
179 181 191 193 197 199 211 223 227 229
233 239 241 251 257 263 269 271 277 281

1 5 2 4 5 7 4 1 5 2 8 1 2 2 7 1 4 7 2 4 8 5 7 8 5 2 8 1 7 2



152457 415281 227147 248578 528172 451572

663 | 579 | 482 | 646 | 799 | 969

6 | 3 | 5 | 7 | 7 | 6

9 | 3 | 4

Pairing the numbers up yields some quick 3's, 6's and 9's, grouping the up in 4's likewise.



It appears that prime numbers do not amount in 3, 6 or 9.

That 369 axis then represents numbers that are 'charged', apparently if a number breaks down to 3, 6 or 9 this means that it is a compound, perhaps a 'substance' - this grid through the table of integers is then a kind of 'flesh' to the skeleton that we see in the numbers 124578.

I haven't seen that sequence appear in that order yet, curious where/if it might arise.


3 6 and 9 are I think not actually numbers so much as rules of the game.. picture the 9-spoked wheel, each of the points on that wheel is also a sequence of itself into infinity. As the revised ordered table of integers shows, with this addition, we cannot actually "add up" 333... or 666... because they break with the infinity before the predestined and final "99999" (=1). This doesn't really screw up the final results but it does indicate a structural difference, a stopping-point.

if 9 were the only number, then 3 would be its only "perfect component" because 9/3=3 is the only value that acts like that; 9/8, 9/7, 9/6, 9/5, 9/4, 9/2 all yield different kinds of series of numbers. This is all in terms of primes, of course, but in this sense we can see that 3 is "special" as 3x3=9 forms the basis or substance of 9, it is its "hard structure".

since 3x3 is the structure, this literally means 3+3+3. Thus 6 now becomes an essential part of the structure as well, because 3+6 or 6+3 still produces the same structure right out of the base 3x3.

Numbers occurring other than 3 and 6 are technically therefore ways the 9-cycle interacts with other cycles. These produce "chains" to other cycles while 3's and 6's produce "co-incidences" or correspondences (and 9 produces possibly "overlaps", repetitions).
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Re: 1296
by Iona » Thu Jan 01, 2015 4:52 am
'3' is intrinsically bent at 120 degrees. Somehow three points geometrically align in a 90+30 degree angle. This is perhaps what "3" actually means, as 120 is 3; and when 90 is 1, we have a fractaling digression of 1/3's... as 90+30 (120) now means 1 + 1/3 (1.33333....).

3x3=9, this is the base structure of 9. This is also 3+3+3.

Because each 3 is inherently 'bent' inwardly at 120 degrees, 3 3 3 produces a circle, 120x3=360.

Because the 90 is also "1" (1 full 9 cycle) we have 3 3 3 produces a fractal digression 1+1/3 + 1+1/3 + 1+1/3, this is 3 + 3/3 or 3.9999.... = 4.

4 is 3+1.

I think we just found our how "base 10" (impetus to push-expand outside of itself) is generated internally by the structure of the 9-system. That +1 basically appeared "out of nowhere".
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Re: 1296
by Fixed Cross » Thu Jan 01, 2015 7:24 pm
That gets to the bottom of object(-ness/-ivity); A thing is necessarily 3. As per the geometry. 120 , an even side triangle, a 'propertyless thing', a minimal compound.

Hence, 1 = 3.

Whenever a number breaks down to the 3 type ("soft angles") it is a compound. It is per definition (of existence, "9") part of something greater.

But there is always also "something else". This is the "1", the primordial integer - of which 142857 is the "hardest". 7 is apparently cruel, harsh.

So we have here "self-valuing" 142857 and "value" 369
and the connection between those is "the world", always (36)9 + 1(/4/2/8/5/7), valuing in terms of self-valuing.

369 axis is 'communication' (hey - Gemini, Virgo, Sagittarius, mutable signs)
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Re: 1296
by Fixed Cross » Thu Jan 01, 2015 7:32 pm
Hence, 1 = 3.

Whenever a number breaks down to the 3 type ("soft angles") it is a compound. It is per definition (of existence, "9") part of something greater.

This gets me thinking, that 12 is perhaps to be seen as the first 'structural 3'.
In this sense, 6 can be seen as born of 3, which it is, not only conceived by but also born of.
And by giving birth the 36(0), the 12 this connects the 4 to the 90 and the 9 to the 40, therefore making 10, and 13.
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Re: 1296
by VoteMeDown4UrOwnGood » Thu Jan 01, 2015 9:07 pm
Albert Einstein was right, however. 2 + 2 = 5. Here's why.

All numbers outside of Man's Imagination, the very quantities which exist as they do (the reason why there's "something" there to label as "numbers" in the first place), are based on a .5 system.

2 + 2 = 5, is 2.5 + 2.5 = 5.

Why is there a .5 hidden in the language of the system that our "numbers" represent distinctively? It's so the Universe can transpose itself fluently from one number to the next, as .5 is the "half-way" placement. I used this system to expand on Fibonacci's Sequence.

0.5 + 0.5 + 0.5 + 0.5 = 2.0, 2.5, 4.5, 8.0, 12.5, 20.5, 33.

This Universe is using 0.5 because it's geometrically creating a "Square".

5 x 7 = 35

5 x 9 = 45

(35 + 45 = 80)

5 x 13 = 65

5 x 19 = 95

(65 + 95 = 160)

The triangle's geometric values can converge into a circle's geometric value (240).

Applying my knowledge, 240 is 241618. Converge the numbers to get "679".

6 x 7 = 42. Notice how I had a 240, which is 24.

Let's take 360 for another example. 360 is 361618. Converge the numbers to get "979".

9 x 7 = What? 63. We just had a 36. I'm creating mirrors through processes you cannot find anywhere on this planet because my knowledge is not human - it's transcendent.
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Re: 1296
by VoteMeDown4UrOwnGood » Thu Jan 01, 2015 9:13 pm
Iona wrote:
That +1 basically appeared "out of nowhere".


If I may oblige,

I can tell you right now what "1" is outside of our imagination.

It's a subatomic pole that pulls and pushes in relation to space and time.

For an example,

412.

214.

412

214.

Imagine the numbers revolving around 1. The 1 is the pole, much like planets have north and south poles.

Now, watch this.

2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55

11213151814131718

21115131418171318

-1 +4 -2 +1 -4 -1 -4 +5

There's a hidden sequence inside Fibonacci's Sequence when you turn them into pole systems.

142.

14145.

14 x 2 = 28.

28 x 5 = 140 (144 or 141618), which is E=MC^2.

Pi = 3.1415

Instead of 3 x 29 = 87.

5 x 29 = 145 (Geometric Foundation Of A Pyramid).



1024 based on my pole system, FC.

Remember "02" next to the 9?

1024 is 012.

That is 161812. <- (12).

793.

7 x 3 = 21. <- (21).

A number I saw on the clock "14:36".

That is 413 & 314.

What is 31?

5 x 3 = 15.

4 x 4 = 16.

413 x 2 = 826 (88).

314 x 2 = 628 (88).

Another number I saw on the clock "1441". (55)

That is:

1441

4141

1414.

1441 x 1.618 = 2331.538 (9.88).

4141 x 1.618 = 6700.138 (42.48 >>> 88)

1414 x 1.618 = 2287.852 (55.15 >>> 86).

9 x 88 = 792.

7 x 92 = 644 (68).

11688311688311 x 792 = 9.2571429e+15

2 + 5 = 7.

7.

1 + 4 + 2 = 7.

9.7779.

11688611688611 x 792 = 9.2573805e+15

2 + 5 = 7.

7.

3 + 8 + 5 = 16. 1 + 6 = 7.

9.777
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Re: 1296
by Iona » Thu Jan 01, 2015 10:06 pm
VoteMeDown4UrOwnGood wrote:
Iona wrote:
That +1 basically appeared "out of nowhere".


If I may oblige,

I can tell you right now what "1" is outside of our imagination.

It's a subatomic pole that pulls and pushes in relation to space and time.

For an example,

412.

214.

412

214.

Imagine the numbers revolving around 1. The 1 is the pole, much like planets have north and south poles.

Now, watch this.

2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55

11213151814131718

21115131418171318

-1 +4 -2 +1 -4 -1 -4 +5

There's a hidden sequence inside Fibonacci's Sequence when you turn them into pole systems.

142.

14145.

14 x 2 = 28.

28 x 5 = 140 (144 or 141618), which is E=MC^2.

Pi = 3.1415

Instead of 3 x 29 = 87.

5 x 29 = 145 (Geometric Foundation Of A Pyramid).




This is fascinating.

I found that 1 appears 'out of nowhere' in the construction of a 360 circle because the 9-system can only build fundamentally-speaking in 3's (other derivatives come later). 9 is 3x3, or 3+3+3, and as "3" means 120 as 360/120=3 we have 90+30=120.. the "problem" with this is that 90 is also 1, as 1 full cycle 9x10 (9x(9+1)) thus in terms of the 90=1 system as have appearing a 3+3+3 circle with fractaling intervals at 1/3's that spiral inward without end.

The sum effect of all that spiraling is to collapse the infinite sequence around .9999... as

.3333... + .3333... + .3333... = .9999.... =1

3+1 is basic to physics, as the fundamental forces EM, Strong and Weak (to use conventional names) are all united and gravity sits outside the 3 as its +1 exteriority. We also see this in the dimensions of space and time as Einstein laid them out, 3 spatial +1 temporal. 3+1 is key.

3+1 is not merely '4' because the proper '4' that would finish that system would be beyond both systems, a kind of meta in which the 3+1 rests itself... perhaps something around which it rotates, or as you point out with the 1 being a pole, we have 3 spinning in terms of the 1 "from outside" in order to achieve "4-ness".

314
413

"717" and "12112"

1, 1, 2 , 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34

11, 11, 12, 13, 15, 18, 113, 121, 134

2, 2, 3, 4, 6, 9, 5, 4, 8

Or if the numbers are changing places, 21115131418171318 as you said,

apply the rules for Fibonacci n-2 doubling.

2 1 5 3 4 8 7 3 8

2x2=4, 1x2=2, 5x2=10, 3x2=6, 4x2=8, 8x2=16, 7x2=14, 3x2=6, 8x2=16

12 11 15 13 14 18 17 13 18

12x2=24, 11x2=22, 15x2=30, 13x2=26, 14x2=28, 18x2=36, 17x2=34, 13x2=26, 18x2=36

24 22 30 26 28 36 34 26 36

-2 +8 -4 +2 +8 -4 -6 +10

284284610

42x2=84

28 is duplicated and wrapped in "44", 4x4=16, 16 is a 61 mirror

284284610

or,

611618/28=21843.5 (18.5)

18x2=36+1=37 (1)

21843.5x1.618=35342.783

"242.18" or 818

818/9=90.888...

.888... is 8/9 , 90 is 9x(9+1) or 91618

Converge those numbers and we get 169 and

9+8=17
1+1=2
6

6 inside 2 inside 8

Those 1's may mirror as 96688

That is "6688", 6x6=36, 8x8=64

36+64=100 or "111" (110+1)
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Re: 1296
by VoteMeDown4UrOwnGood » Thu Jan 01, 2015 10:32 pm
6 inside 2 inside 8

Those 1's may mirror as 96688

That is "6688", 6x6=36, 8x8=64

36+64=100 or "111" (110+1)


Let's take 122 for an example.

122 comes from 112.

122 then becomes 222.

When we converge numbers inwards, 122 becomes 32.

112 becomes 22.

222 becomes 42.

Pay attention - there's a secret.

112~122~222

112 translates to (1 + 1 = 2; 2 x 2 = 4 + the original 2 equals three 2's).

32 translates to (Three 2's).

222 translates to (222).

Another example:

114~144~444

114 translates to (1 + 1 = 2; 2 + 4 = 6 + the original 4 equals three 4's).

144 translates to (Three 4's; this is why I originally used 19 for 0, 19 is 8, the 1 is being used as a means to transpose backwards {-1} ).

444 translates to (Three 4's).
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Re: 1296
by VoteMeDown4UrOwnGood » Fri Jan 02, 2015 4:06 am
1296 is 396 is 126 is 36.

3.1415 = Pi.

14 + 15 = 29.

1296 is 777. 7 x 7 + 7 = 56.

And...
8 + 9 = 17.

8 x 9 = 72.

17 is 77.

72 translates to "Two 7's".

7 x 7 = 49.

4/9 of Pi = 1.|396|2634016

Now, let's take how many days we have,
then divide that by 92. (hence 792).

365/92 = |3.96|739130435

We have 88 constellations and...
our biological system and planet is on...

8 hertz~

Let's multiply 88 with 9, since 9 is genetic,
and 9 x 8 = 72.

9 x 88 = 792.

7 x 92 = 644 (68).

11688311688311 x 792 = 9.2571429e+15

2 + 5 = 7.

7.

1 + 4 + 2 = 7.

9.7779.

396 x 2 = 792!


3 x 9 + 6 = 33.

56 - 33 = 23.

Applying my pole dancing number duo system: 213.

213

312

213

312

23 > 46 > 69.

32 > 64 > 96.

69 + 96 + 96 x 69 = 6789.

36 + 63 + 63 x 36 = 2367(567).

Where is the 1 & 4?

13 + 31 + 31 x 13 = 447

4 + 7 = 11.

11 + 4 = 15.

1 + 4 = 5. (Pyramid Foundation Along With 123456789's Formula From Genetic Scratch)
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Postby Jakob » Sun Jun 30, 2019 7:47 pm

Meno_ wrote:
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A Shieldmaiden wrote:Encouraging others to form groups of people who are likeminded, in my mind only creates the death knell of challenging.



Indeed: http://knowthyself.forumotion.net/f6-agora

And, based on my own experience with these "like minded folks", that's often just one more rendition of this: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=185296

The "are you one of us" or "one of them" mentality of the objectivists.




Both. Anti Nihilism ground up. Dostoevsky need not devolve further the letters from under ground, pre Socratics like Homer are sublimely connected, as the Tora, has a prescription as does the ultimate sacrifice .

Here for both and years of self imposed slavery does earn credit in the immense non ending Vedas of the worlds Karmic manifestations, such hubris dissolves any sense of shame within bounded partly realized differentiation s, for the deepest fears imaginable.

The images are narcotic self induced fed back bio degradable chemical transitions which reflect Babylonian captivity.

:mrgreen:

Yeah Satyr is pretty lame.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Jakob » Sun Jun 30, 2019 7:49 pm

Meno your poetic mind is really "there" so to speak, but your mastery of English is really wanting, still, after all this time. Do you not think you should follow an online course or something?
It would really help you master the craft of poetry, which you so admirably pursue.
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Postby Meno_ » Sun Jun 30, 2019 7:57 pm

The 7' s were strictly intuitive, and seven times sealed to my memory.

However the logic of language gravitated toward its structural dimension is not necessarily analogous analogous to this:


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Today Hanukkah is perhaps the best-known Jewish holiday throughout the world. However, despite its popularity, Hanukkah is the holiday with the least textual basis. The story of Hanukkah does not appear in the Tanakh. And while there is a Talmudic tractate named for the one-day festival of Purim (“Massekhet Megillah”), only a few pages of the Babylonian Talmud (B. Shabbat 21b-23a) are devoted to Hanukkah, including one small paragraph describing the historical event, and a few pages dealing with the laws of lighting Hanukkah candles.

The Hanukkah tale in the Talmud only tells part of the story: only the miracle of the oil is mentioned. The story of the military victory, described in the siddur as the deliverance of “the many at the hands of the few”, is entirely left out. To complete our knowledge of Hanukkah we need to consult the Books of the Maccabees contained in the “Apocrypha,” a collection of books which have some similarities to the books of the Tanakh, but were not canonized by the Sages.

Is reading the Books of Maccabees, or other non-canonical works, permitted?

Talmudic sources show that the Sages discouraged and sometimes forbade the use of non-canonical texts, and thus the question arises as to the permissibility of consulting the books of Maccabees to learn about Hanukkah.

In the Mishnah (Sanhedrin X, 1), Rabbi Akiva issues a shocking statement: one who reads “SefarimHitzonim” (“external books”) has no share in the world to come! [Source1] While it is difficult to precisely identify what Rabbi Akiva means by the “Sefarim HaHitzonim”, it is possible that “Sefarim Hitzonim” refers to the Apocrypha or parts thereof (“those hidden away” being an approximate Greek translation of the Hebrew term which means “external books” or “the books left out”). Would that mean that reading the Books of Maccabees is forbidden?

Further Talmudic investigation reveals that not only are “Sefarim Hitzonim” forbidden; the study of anywisdom found in a book other than the Tanakh is forbidden. Some Talmudic passages take this attitude so far as to even forbid studying anything that isn’t actually Torah! [Sources5,6,8] This seems to contradict what we know about respected Torah authorities such as Maimonides, Nahmanides and others, who, in addition to being learned in Torah were also known as physicians, philosophers, etc.

* * *

A close examination of these Talmudic texts using the principal commentaries and keeping an eye on their chronology will help us understand the intention of these statements, and how they should affect our lives today.

Greek Wisdom

The earliest prohibition against reading non-Tanakh literature is found in a Baraita [Source5] stating that during the Hasmonean dynasty teaching “Hokhmat Yevanit” – “Greek wisdom” was prohibited. In this source, Greek language was not forbidden, only “Greek wisdom“. Rashi understands “Greek wisdom” as “the language of wisdom, which courtiers speak, and the rest of the nation doesn’t understand”. Presumably, Rashi is referring to Greek rhetoric, a highly stylized form of speech which most ordinary people would not be able to understand. This fits the story found in the Baraita, where a traitor used “Hokhmat Yevanit” to pass a secret to the enemy without his compatriots understanding what he was saying. As a result of this incident of treason the Hasmoneans forbade teaching ways of speaking that would mainly be used for the purpose of trickery.

The next ban occurred during the “War of Quietus” in 115-117 C.E. [Source6]. This Mishnah describes an edict forbidding teaching one’s child the Greek language. But the Talmud is quick to correct that. Bringing up other traditions [Source7] which show that speaking in Greek is permitted, it concludes, once again, that teaching or speaking the language is not forbidden, but only “Hokhmat Yevanit“. (The Talmud further notes that there are exceptions even to this rule. Those close to the government, such as the family of Rabban Gamliel, are permitted to learn “Hokhmat Yevanit“.)

Studying Torah Day and Night: the anecdote

Lastly, an anecdote appears in the Babylonian Talmud, Menahot 99b [Source 8], in which Rabbi Yishmael is asked by his nephew if he may learn “Hokhmat Yevanit“, since he already completed the entire Torah. Rabbi Yishmael answers him by quoting the verse (Joshua 1:8) “And you shall study it day and night,”– studying anything other than Torah may only be done at a time that is neither day nor night, i.e., never. The Gemara points out that this is not a unanimous opinion, for there are other explanations of the verse from Joshua: R. Shemuel bar Nahmani understands the verse as a blessing, not a commandment – God blessed Joshua to merit continuous study of Torah. Earlier on this page of Talmud we find an opinion that the verse contains a commandment to study Torah at some point during the day, and some point during the night. In times of difficulty, if someone recited the Shema morning and evening, they have fulfilled the commandment to study Torah at least in a minimally acceptable way. Rabbi Yishmael’s opinion, therefore, is a minority opinion.

This story also appears in the Jerusalem Talmud (Pe’ah I, 1) [Source 9], and there the conclusion is even clearer. Noting that people have a Biblical obligation to teach their children a trade, which would not be possible if were forbidden to stop learning Torah day or night, the Talmud explains that the real reason for forbidding studying Hokhmat Yevanit is not the verse from Joshua, but rather the fear that this could assist future traitors. The Yerushalmi even permits teaching one’s daughters Yevanit, since women were not suspected of treason.

How can we reconcile this story in the Bavli and the Yerushalmi with the two previously-mentioned passages [Sources5&6], which, chronologically, would have preceded this incident? Why would a student ask his uncle if he may study something that a Baraita and a Mishnah already forbade? When the Gemara mentions that R. Shemuel bar Nahmani disagrees with Rabbi Yishmael, why is there no mention of the curse of the Hasmoneans or the edict at the time of Quietus’s war?

It seems that both Talmuds understand that even in the times of the Hasmoneans and Quietus, there never truly was a complete ban against non-Torah studies, particularly if they could be useful for one’s profession; the rabbis were actually only concerned with the danger of training future informers. Even the most contested subject, Hokhmat Yevanit was allowed to be studied by the members of Rabban Gamliel’s household, since they maintained close ties with the government. [Source 7]

“Sefarim Hitzonim“

And what about Rabbi Akiva’s harsh statement [Source1], that one who reads “Sefarim Hitzonim” loses her or his portion in the world to come? The Babylonian Talmud (Sanhedrin 100b) [Source2] asserts that this refers specifically to “Sifrei Minim” – books of sectarians or heretics (at the time these were, most probably, the Gospels or early Gnostic texts – see Rashi). The Gemara then goes on to report that Rav Yosef said one is also forbidden to read the book of Ben Sira, another book found today in the Apocrypha. After some debate, Rav Yosef himself then modifies his previous statement, saying “the good parts of it may be read”. The conclusion is that heretical books must not be read, while neutral, secular books may be read as long as it is for some benefit.

The Yerushalmi’s understanding of the Mishnah in Sanhedrin (X, 1) differs. [See Source 3] To the Yerushalmi, the banned “External Books” consist of the works of Ben Sira and Ben La`anah and the like. The Yerushalmi permits reading “the works of Homer and any books written thereafter.” An explanation is given: “for they were given to read, not to toil over.” It seems that the Yerushalmi permits a Jew to read Homer because it is clearly secular literature, as opposed to Ben Sira which is religious in nature and Biblical in style but not accepted into the canon. In my opinion we should read the Yerushalmi in light of Kohelet Rabbah which forbids reading anything other than the 24 books of the Tanakh, does not mention that Homer is permitted, and gives the reason “for they were given to read, not to toil over” ;


Leads to the credence or flows from the credence of poetic license through justice, it merely reinforces it through lower rhetorical patterns of thought.


Sources: Jewish-Greek 1st century A.D conflation of Gnosticism,

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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Jakob » Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:05 pm

I did not know you were Jewish. A Hungarian Jew, you have famous company.



Here is an example of some good writing, true discourse, which happens on ILP quite rarely. Today is somewhat of an anniversary. VO is 8 years old.

without-music wrote:The following is an excerpt from a recent paper of mine on the philosophy of science. In light of a recent discussion between James, Silhouette and I, I think it's rather relevant.

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Elizabeth Lloyd traces the history of the ‘ontological tyranny’ back to seventeenth century science and philosophy. By the eighteenth century, Lloyd observes, the ontological tyranny had become a universal standard for all knowledge claims. In the seventeenth century, many figures – perhaps most notably, John Locke – differentiated between primary and secondary qualities such that primary qualities were given a more ‘real’ status because their existence is independent of all knowers; they are “absolute and constant” and thus objectively measurable – they do not change relative to time, place or person. Secondary qualities, contrarily, arise from our sensory interaction with the world; they are things like taste and colour and are therefore dependent on individual knowers. They are less real because they fluctuate and are relative to persons; they are subjective. Lloyd observes that each philosopher or scientist making the distinction between primary and secondary qualities had “prior ontological commitments that justified their adoption of specific methods for investigating nature”. Moreover, many of these figures were explicit about their prior commitments. Galileo believed that the physical universe was geometrically perfect and existed independent of us, knowable only through the proper mathematical method. He derived this account from his belief in God, and his commitment to Plato’s metaphysical assumption that God is Truth. The case is analogous with Descartes. As such, Galileo and Descartes both derive their distinction between primary and secondary qualities from “an ontology that was fundamentally religious”. By tracing its origins, Lloyd finds that the ontological tyranny comes not only from philosophical views – Plato’s divine equivocation and the mathematic philosophy – instead of scientific discoveries, but also that these philosophical views are predicated on unverifiable religious assumptions (i.e. that God made the world in geometric perfection). The ontological tyranny grounds itself in the “strong claim that the objective reality – the reality converged upon through the application of objective methods – equals all of the Really Real”. Implicit are the assumptions that the Really Real exists independently of human knowers, objective knowledge of this independent reality requires a detached and disinterested reasoning, and that perspective or a non-disinterested point of view will get in the way of our access to independent reality. Last, that this reality is knowable to everyone. Thus, knowledge of the Really Real exists independently of who acquires it, as long as it is acquired through the proper methods. By accepting the ontological tyranny in any of its incarnations, a philosophy is thus committed to the view that good scientific knowledge is mandatorily neutral, non-value-laden and independent of individual knowers.

On this picture of objectivity, we can arrive at scientific knowledge only by reasoning in a detached manner and stripping our inquiries of all values and interests. In verifying a given hypothesis, the scientist amasses a corresponding body of evidence. Each time the hypothesis is able to accommodate a piece of evidence, it grows stronger; if any one piece of evidence is incongruous with the hypothesis, the hypothesis is thrown out. This is the scientific method. By working within this method, we are able to access the Really Real, which is the truth of the world regardless of who, when or where it is accessed. Thus, scientific reasoning is always empirical, value-neutral and disinterested. Its endpoint is objective knowledge, which is a fact of objective reality as it exists independently.
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I think it would be rather productive to engage the topic, the tyranny of ontology in science. Philosophers like Nelson and Anderson propose alternative ways to understand the scientific enterprise: Lynn Nelson and her holistic account of naturalized epistemology counted among my favourites. However, there are still many thinkers taking the light for their science from Plato's fire, to speak with Nietzsche. To begin, then: is it possible to today defend the ontological tyranny, or must it be thrown away out of hand?



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phyllo wrote:his is where you lose me on the subtle distinctions.
How do you 'embrace that bias that is ineradicable'? What does it mean in the context of gathering data and analyzing the data? How does 'the embrace' change the theory?

That's a really exacting question; I'll be sure to look over my notes before giving you a response.

What a great discussion. Without-music, I would like to respond to this question. I hope I will not disturb the careful logic your discourse.

phyllo, when we use the phrase "gathering data" there is already a bias, a perspective taken for granted. The assumption is that the data-gathering is an objective procedure. But scientists know this to be untrue; All scientific data is gathered with a certain intention. Otherwise it is not useful data. Intention is subjective, the subject is biased. The bias determines what is useful - and the word useful here suggests the question "useful to what?" Well, to progress of course. "Progress of what?" Of knowledge! "Of which knowledge?" Of the type to which this data is pertinent!" There is no way out of this loop, science is self-evident to itself. Philosophy has an entirely different angle, a different bias - it can look at science as a mere technique without any relation to meaning, reality or truth.

When one wants to study the behavior of nylon molecules under high tension, one does not wander into the supermarket, aimlessly gather some random items, and wander out to look what may be applicable to the status quo on the laboratory-table. This would be relatively unbiased data-gathering. On the other hand, to collect different items made out of nylon and to start stretching these items is extremely biased. It makes sense, but it is about as far from objectively real as possible. It makes sense precisely because it is through and through subjective, a an aspect of reality intentionally isolated, that such seemingly "hard facts" as science works with can come to be known, so that we can know the answer to the question does x equal y or not? Such questions are the root-substance of science, and the idea that in such questioning (is this that?) reality is addressed, is the scientific bias.

What does this bias produce? Electricity, engines, processors, a lot of useful things. But - useful to what? Here we fail to produce a scientific answer. We fail to do so because we are not even aware that such an answer could be asked scientifically. We are unaware of this because we think that science is unbiased, that it registers the objective truth. We think that our discoveries are simply results of the successful effort to understand the workings of the universe. But they depend solely on our bias of what is valuable, what is considered as "workings" - results of what it is that can be asked, and of in what way things can be asked.
Science operates from well-calculated bias - it knows what it wants to find out, it knows the context in which it is possible to find such out, and it knows how to create that context and how to isolate it from other intrusive elements of reality that do not support the context. In doing so, it determines how we view the world.

Incidentally, science has since a century discovered that its basic tenets, the either/or way of questioning, resulted in a problem. But the root of the problem has not been identified yet as the method of questioning. The contradictions of quantum-mechanics were implicit in scientific method all along, the questioning finally running into it's own proposed limits, unable to understand beyond it, even though it perceives that something real does lie beyond it. It cannot however be accepted as real because it doesn't fit the terms. There is no evil will involved, just a mind trapped inside its metaphysical circuitry, its language.
The coming decades could be very rewarding times for philosophy, as philosophers are the only ones who understand that all knowledge relies on grammar, especially in science, where grammar is called algebra.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Meno_ » Tue Jul 02, 2019 12:26 am

Thanks ,Jacob for Your comments on ontological bias and examples on good writing.

Ontology consumes it's self may not point to a negative or even a negation within post modern acknowledgement of positioning a non descriptive objective within an effort to partially reconstruct an almost totally reduced cohesion within the previous apex of continental pre-eminence.

The writing may be broken, cut, dis-associated , into various frames of reference, where this process acquires a need for reconstruction on many levels.

The bottom line has almost been reached, peripherally, tangentially, so as to cause the ontological primary causes to be reintegrated.

I believe this was understood way back as early as the 19 th century , beginning of the twentieth, with the start of partially derived solutions, such as socialism, national and international, detailing limits set by critics against the positivist , the Vienna circle, the new Hegelians , who came to roost in England, where they germinated/terminated Marx.

The germ also set a philosophical to be, particularly against Russel's ' sense datum' and it's behavioral counterpart.

The stage was set, and it is comprised by very basic patterned harmonics, such as the failed manifestos of the Internationale, the deconstructed 5 year plans, and last but not least, re under a such as Buchenwald, Sztalingrad, and Dresden.

That the veneer of the politicised naive positivism did little to avert the ongoing melt down has exposed the frailty of relying on the beneficience of a simulated superman in the form of AI to sew up the ontological synthesis that exposed Kant to so much critical disacclaim.

This, just to imply a sentiment, that it is too early in postmodern non history to proclaim non events to postscibe any intelligent mode of survival to a bias, rather then to a precise formulation of survival.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Jakob » Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:41 pm

Did they really Terminate Marx though?




"Who is the Ubermensch (Nietzsche's Superman)?"

Trixie asks.

Nietzsche would have us think of Napoleon, Caesar, Alexander, primarily.

Of these, Gaius Julius Caesar is the most solid, because of the tricks he pulled. He was, as the Superman is supposed to be, entirely beyond good and evil and able to deify his own interests and make the whole world attribute and appendix of his will.

Alexander the Great was radically a mammas boy - he was almost "poisoned into power" by her crooning his supposed divinity. And then he made a triviality out of Aristotle.

Napoleon Bonaparte unfolded as a Superman on horseback. His presence was so electrifying and his valuing so sweeping that he was able to make endless legions of men eager to meet their destinies.

Adolf Hitler has been named by eager nazis as the fourth in this series, but well, he lost, and that is not very Supermanly. It is easy to see other reasons for his disqualification.


The whole logos of the Superman is to be the purpose of existence. To be such a person worthy of being interpreted as the aim of billions of years of evolution. Whether or not these men I mentioned live up to that standard for you is the ultimate issue. Who can be said to be the triumphant product of all of evolution so far? If you have an answer to that, that is your Superman.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Exuberant Teleportation » Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:13 pm

Jakob wrote:Did they really Terminate Marx though?




"Who is the Ubermensch (Nietzsche's Superman)?"

Trixie asks.

Nietzsche would have us think of Napoleon, Caesar, Alexander, primarily.

Of these, Gaius Julius Caesar is the most solid, because of the tricks he pulled. He was, as the Superman is supposed to be, entirely beyond good and evil and able to deify his own interests and make the whole world attribute and appendix of his will.

Alexander the Great was radically a mammas boy - he was almost "poisoned into power" by her crooning his supposed divinity. And then he made a triviality out of Aristotle.

Napoleon Bonaparte unfolded as a Superman on horseback. His presence was so electrifying and his valuing so sweeping that he was able to make endless legions of men eager to meet their destinies.

Adolf Hitler has been named by eager nazis as the fourth in this series, but well, he lost, and that is not very Supermanly. It is easy to see other reasons for his disqualification.


The whole logos of the Superman is to be the purpose of existence. To be such a person worthy of being interpreted as the aim of billions of years of evolution. Whether or not these men I mentioned live up to that standard for you is the ultimate issue. Who can be said to be the triumphant product of all of evolution so far? If you have an answer to that, that is your Superman.


So these inconquerable, mighty, supreme victors and arbiters over the battlefield show the courage and bravery that such an esteemed, hero of old should demonstrate to qualify as godly or uber like. The aim is of course to grow in stature from the clays of primitive earth, to the towering canopy of the jungle, brilliant, and everlasting in valor.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Jakob » Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:37 pm

"So the key is to be the ultimate overseer of the strategic and mobilizing chessboard - where is the Love, the mania of the Ubermensch. In essence, where is the Power of Forever that catapults Nietzsche to romantic vistas of everlasting pleasure and golden twilight?"


Oh God, you misunderstand, or havent had the privilege of learning of Alexander, Caesar, and Napoleon.

Perhaps you misunderstand the nature of mankind and of war.

There is no more passionate affair in humanity than war. There is no more romantic sentiment than that which makes an Aeonic military leader; sweeping the hearts and minds of millions of men and women to willingly fight to the death for a Beloved Ideal.

This ideal is always the Homeland, the Nadir. The Moon, the Mother.

Research into Alexander, and his mother, his passions, his friends, his speeches, his habits and his "melting face".

Read how Caesar wept at the statue of Alexander before he received his first command. Read Rex Warners "Young Caesar" and "Imperial Caesar" and read Napoleons own words about passion, and about Christ.

What is a higher love than the willingness to die for ones love?
Thence war is the highest human expression.
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