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Postby barbarianhorde » Fri May 24, 2019 6:01 pm

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What is Monopoly money and what is not I.e. what has real worth even relatively so, and what is produced from that.


…and is the current capitalist model simply not adaptable enough.

Example; the banker provides a mortgage for a house, the buyer pays that back + interest, the product has been paid for and more beyond that. the banker provides a mortgage for a house the buyer pays that back + interest, the product had already been paid for + interest and now more interest.
Rinse and repeat

Once a product has been paid for why cant it be passed on for free, or why isn’t the money available socially?

I recently looked into starting a business in my village with an investor, the sheer cost of rental made it impossible. The cost of making businesses and that everyone are always trying to extract the maximum amount of money for their skills or products, means that less businesses and premises are handed down.

So should the banks provide? Or the govt utilise banks to that end [nationalise them].

I find it is increasingly the case that we are getting less and less stuff, we used to have a café, shop, fish n chip shop and post office in the village, now we just have a shop.

Should monopoly money be socialised? Why not just provide! More stuff = more jobs and further production of wealth.

Where does the city get its money? Does it not deal with mostly monopoly money? How does it belong to them and why shouldn’t it be socialised.

The banks went bust we bailed them out, yet we don’t own them?

Bla bla you get the picture; instead of selfishness upon no basis, why shouldn’t profit be socialised?
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why shouldn’t profit be socialised?
For the exact same reason slavery shouldn't be praised.
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For the exact same reason slavery shouldn't be praised.

Which are the slaves, the moneylenders or those who ‘earn’ a living?

don’t get me wrong I think every facet of the equation should gain, my philosophical point concerns ownership. If we considered wealth ultimately to be shared, then what is gained from another endeavours would be socialised.

Another point is that I’d prefer to live in a world where there are no powerful people, states or other institutions. If we socialise money the above cannot occur.
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For the exact same reason slavery shouldn't be praised.

Which are the slaves, the moneylenders or those who ‘earn’ a living?

don’t get me wrong I think every facet of the equation should gain, my philosophical point concerns ownership. If we considered wealth ultimately to be shared, then what is gained from another endeavours would be socialised.

Another point is that I’d prefer to live in a world where there are no powerful people, states or other institutions. If we socialise money the above cannot occur.

We must be able to see deeply into two differing and seemingly opposed perspectives here: on the one hand, that those who "earn a living" in some well-off manner do so not merely by their own virtues or "the sweat of their labor" but rather are products of various external and internal conditionings, large and small, psychological and social, familial and economic. That no one, not a single person has ever been successful of his own right and merit, but relies to a very large extent on the environmental conditions which more or less allow for and guarantee the fruits he enjoys from his work. And on the other hand, that to appropriate/socialize profit and profitability is to a certain extent to disincentivize productivity itself, since a large part of the inspiration for productive work lies in the personal gains to be had from this.

These two perspectives do not entirely disallow their opposites, of course - for instance, it is also the case that the individual him or herself can certainly "take some credit" for his or her successes, just as it is the case that socializing profit does not entirely do away with various motivations and incentives to produce and work. So a properly subtle understanding situates each of these perspectives within a certain domain or continuum-like position.

Next, we can effect a certain attempt at synthesis here, but this requires that we firstly and more strongly affirm the value/s upon which this synthesis is based. What is it that we wish to gain, to inspire or further through attempting to reconceive the economic and social bases of life? How far does our vision gather, and toward what end/s? In combination with this vision, we would place the above-stated more comprehensive and honest understanding of the various perspectives on economic/productive/social relations and conditions. From such a possibility might perhaps come a more potent insight into how best to conceive anew these various factors and conditions of life.



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For millennia, human civilization has been flush with a succession of paradigm shifting, big ideas. Modernity's Hegelian world spirit, Nietzschean death of God and Heideggerian Being gave way in postmodernity to Foucault's dispositif, Fukuyama's end of history, Derrida's deconstruction and Deleuze and Guattari's rhizome. And yet, while we all assumed that big ideas would keep flowing hard and fast forever, in the last few years it seems that the wells of inspiration are running dry. There is a dawning realization that truly novel, creative ideas have suddenly stopped coming. Nobody knows why.

The conceptual drought couldn't be happening at a more inopportune moment. Seven billion of us are struggling through the most severe ecological, financial, political and spiritual crisis in our history. This time the catastrophe we face doesn't affect a single nation or region or continent . . . it is all the more terrifying because it is global and simultaneous. Odds are that if we can't pull ourselves out from this decline then we just might descend into a horrifying thousand year long dark age . . . an age of scorched earth authoritarian-capitalism, brutalism and mayhem which will make the genocides and holocausts of the previous century feel like foreplay. We've not only run out of ideas; we're running out of time.

Now more than ever we need the creative breakthroughs and outlier brainstrorms that can shift the terrain of thought, revealing exits, opening possibilities, potentially saving us all. We need mavericks of indie media who can kill the commercial virus that infects our information flows. We need a brilliant new crop of economic students who can stand up to their professors, topple the neoclassical paradigm and replace it with a new, true cost model. We need potent new ways of dismantling corporate rule and killing corporate personhood. And then there is the biggest challenge of them all: how to spark a social revolution, an insurrection of everyday life that sweeps across the globe just in time to avert the final catastrophe?

It may be that our abandonment of the natural world and wholesale migration into cyberspace has cut our roots and scrambled our neurons beyond repair. We may be in the midst of an irreversible mental breakdown of the human race that parallels the irreversible collapse of our planet's ecosystems. This eco-psycho spiral may do us in. Maybe it is already too late? . . .

(Taken from recent edition of Adbusters magazine)


I think we have begun to answer this question posed here, the question of the post idea world and the end of truly novel thinking. The/an answer is contained within what we have created and deemed value-ontology. Imagine the effect if value-ontology, more fully and concisely developed, where to permeate large numbers of fertile young minds. Novelty, creativity, new utility for the present and for a/the future would begin to surface again.

Proposition to consider further: value-ontology as a cure for the postmodern condition?

Many directions we could explore here.

One other salient such direction is to examine how value-ontology provides us a frame in which to understand this problem more precisely: as the loss/dispersal of valuing, its continuingly increasing disconnection from deeper and more authentic (human) valuing mechanisms. The continual co-opting of these mechanisms by the endless gimmicks, distractions and drugs of modern society. An easy example is the co-opting of pleasure, of the system whereby pleasure is naturally produced in the mind-body (through effort, action, thinking). It is well known that excessive heroin use, for instance, produces depression of the brain's pleasure system, leading to over-use and a loss of natural ability to generate pleasure without the drug. It would seem that modern society is becoming a non-localized sort of heroine drug, small quantities of it to be sure, yet everywhere and all-pervasive. TV, music, news, food, sugary beverages, alcohol and tobacco, sex/porn, and of course the addiction of consumption-consumerism, money. Everything produces a little bit of excess pleasure, pleasure not earned, not valued and not produced by the conscious activity of valuing.

We value things like community, environment, literature, subtle and sensitive emotional connections with others, insight and discovery, hard work, yet these are becoming only able to be CONSCIOUSLY valued from within already existing societal paradigms that operate from a basis of market "value", money, the production and exchange of "capital". Ideas become subservient to a sort of systematic-administrative-economic utility which says ideas are useless if they cannot produce something of merit within the national-business-academic sphere/s. Anything "for its own sake" is sacrificed to the alter of "progress" and "efficiency".

What is this "for its own sake"? It is an attempt through conceptual language terms to capture more authentic self-valuing and its function as the root of all external valuings. Certainly "authentic values and valuings" are never "for its own sake" only (being as they are intimately connected and interwoven with far more nuanced and un/conscious-diverse systems/mechanisms within the body-brain & with/in one's environment/s), yet it is still true that this notion, as a term within language-logic, succeeds at capturing something fundamental going on at the heart of valuation: self-valuing, valuing otherness with respect to and in terms of oneself. Valuing on one's own terms. This requires a sufficiency of cross-tiered connections between levels of self-understanding and self-being, and it seems precisely this sort of multi-dimensionalism in self-experiencing which has become almost entirely non-existent in the majority of people, replaced by a one-dimensionalism through the endless invasive flood of socio-cultural pre-figured image-constructs and the constant drugging of unearned pleasure, mass confusion and dispersion-frustration of willed thought-intent. Where these all work too well and come to produce intense apathy/depression/resignation the possibility of self-awareness (which might otherwise rise up at this moment) is still kept at bay by the invasive appearance of still more socially-produced image-constructs, ones of a more subtle, cynical, narcissistic and self-destructive type, meant to simulate the effects of catharsis and conscious self-valuing.

Further possibility for discussion-development: I propose that value-ontology can function as a cure for all of this. Various ideological constructs/systems have arisen throughout history as cures for then current mass psychological-social problems. It seems that a new ideological system ought be encouraged and given birth, a system whose basis lies in what we have deemed value-ontology. Just as Hellenism, then Christianity, then baroque/romanticism, then science/empiricism, then postmodernity (in many ways a breaking-down of the old systems rather than the birth of a new one): now value-ontology-ism, a new ideological construct-system to be inserted within the now modern/postmodern world. What effects could this introduction have, and how/why?







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The category and concept of "A Value-Ontology" is perfectly valid, more than perfectly befitting and appropriate. But so far, all I am seeing is, "there should be a value ontology". Well okay, certainly. That is about like saying, "Good Government is the answer."

So what is the specific "Value-ontology" you have in mind?
Exactly what "should have" more value and less value?
Upon precisely what have you based it?
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I think that value ontology itself, as a theory of what is, of what it is that is, regardless of its further conditions, is complete. But this does not yet form any kind of modus operandi for us, humans, at least not beyond what we are already, instinctively and axiomatically, doing in each of your acts. In other words, it does not prescribe our actions beyond what already takes place. It does however give us the confidence that, understanding why and as what we do what we do, we may learn to do this with more direction. You have already drawn the conclusion that it is not only possible, but even necessary to do this, and moreover, that a law should be established prescribing all of human activity. I am only coming to terms with the realization that man is indeed understandable to himself. As I have told some of my friends here already, I see a trajectory before us of roughly a decade, in which value ontology must be developed into a working model for politics and perhaps for 'self-help', a means to 'know thyself', a guide to successful action leading to desirable and lasting results. But I see such a project as developing across different phases.

We now have the general formula of how we may understand being in conceptual language. It appears to me to be very comprehensive not only in specifying what exists, but also how/why it is possible that it exists. This alone gives me a lot of peace of mind, as I have searched for this my whole actively cognitive life, so an objective is already attained.

A slightly less general, more specific description of what occurs because of this formula, was already devised by Nietzsche, as the will to power. This was up until now not a workable doctrine, because its ground was missing. It describes accurately what happens between subjects or forces, but it does not prescribe itself upon the void, that is to say, it needs something to operate, and this something has been left to explain itself, to the unfortunate Nietzschean, to be explained by the will to power, which as you have noted reduces the subject to chaos, noise. Paradoxically, the will to power explains, but does not help us to understand what we should do in order to effectively will to power. Value ontology explains what we need to do to strengthen our power/willing, or at least, it gives us the ground on which to stand in such attempts. But I have not progressed significantly beyond this point yet. The only truly significant step I have set is described in my post on consistency as prime mover.

Basically what I am saying is: have patience! You have a rather apocalyptic way of seeing homo sapiens and his fate. I do not see things quite so dreadfully, although I am fully aware of the totalitarian grip of entropic dissolution on our society, I also see, always, by the very nature of nature herself, movements in the opposite direction, such as our own. We must guard of course, to not slip, to not become self-satisfied -- but we must also not overreach, try to say something without having fully understood.

Some of the next practical steps I intend to take along these lines:

-interpreting/formulating the will to power as fundamentally ethical by explaining value ontology as its ground
-drawing the consequences of such ethics in an intersubjective world
-constructing a law-system based on these consequences
-explaining the western constitutions and the American one in particular as such a construction, imperfect but having been for good time sufficient
-attempting to explicate how the 'socialist virtues' of attempting to value otherness-as-itself can be made to fit in with a basic doctrine of valuing otherness in terms of oneself, which at first glance is contradictory
-explaining the role of the state as a minimally sufficient mediator between different self-valuings; 'law and order' explained in philosophically / ethically necessary terms

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What is left unaddressed here is the directly individual, the truly subjective explorations of experience. This is the sort of material Parodites has specialized himself in. I am very interested in this field but I am not as talented as he is in forging it into a philosophy -- my fields of poetic-emotive-conceptualization lie elsewhere than in philosophy. My task may indeed be to formulate such laws as you are pressing for, but to use a metaphor to make my point; value ontology is a multi-stage rocket, in order for it to cross the void it must burn all of its potential to finally arrive as its most necessary and useful form. Right now I am in the process of shedding the first fuel can and shifting to the second, which means a general specification from ontology (what is given the non-impossibility of being) to necessity (what must be given what is). From this, an operational ethics may be approached, as which a 'metods of successful conduct' may be formulated.

Before the self has been explicated, that is to say, before the act of self-valuing is brought to light in concrete terms, I can not formulate is a "what is of value" - value-ontology defines value as indirectly established, and explicated only by the clarification of the subject to himself as an activity of constantly enabling valuation. Yes, the (pursuit of the science/methods of) enabling of valuation is the first ethical activity I can prescribe to mans philosophical self-rulership , if philosophy is to take the shape of value ontology, as it once took on Plato's ideational paradigm.





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Fixed Cross wrote:
I think that value ontology itself, as a theory of what is, of what it is that is, regardless of its further conditions, is complete.
I think that statement alone makes you a "Rationalist" (welcome to My world affraid )

Fixed Cross wrote:
But this does not yet form any kind of modus operandi for us, humans, at least not beyond what we are already, instinctively and axiomatically, doing in each of your acts. In other words, it does not prescribe our actions beyond what already takes place. It does however give us the confidence that, understanding why and as what we do what we do, we may learn to do this with more direction.
Exactly.

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You have already drawn the conclusion that it is not only possible, but even necessary to do this, and moreover, that a law should be established prescribing all of human activity. I am only coming to terms with the realization that man is indeed understandable to himself. As I have told some of my friends here already, I see a trajectory before us of roughly a decade, in which value ontology must be developed into a working model for politics and perhaps for 'self-help', a means to 'know thyself', a guide to successful action leading to desirable and lasting results. But I see such a project as developing across different phases.
I don't really think that you have 10 years. I'm pretty certain that I don't.
But the basics of your aim seems to be proper.

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We now have the general formula of how we may understand being in conceptual language. It appears to me to be very comprehensive not only in specifying what exists, but also how/why it is possible that it exists. This alone gives me a lot of peace of mind, as I have searched for this my whole actively cognitive life, so an objective is already attained.
We do? I'm not sure to what you are referring. Suspect

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The only truly significant step I have set is described in my post on consistency as prime mover.
Hmm.. seemed a lot of words to say, "Value and Ontology needs to be based upon the incentive to maintain ones existence."
"Self-Harmony".

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You have a rather apocalyptic way of seeing homo sapiens and his fate. I do not see things quite so dreadfully, although I am fully aware of the totalitarian grip of entropic dissolution on our society, I also see, always, by the very nature of nature herself, movements in the opposite direction, such as our own. We must guard of course, to not slip, to not become self-satisfied -- but we must also not overreach, try to say something without having fully understood.
They came up with a phrase for it in the U.S., "Clear and present danger."

Fixed Cross wrote:
Some of the next practical steps I intend to take along these lines:

-interpreting/formulating the will to power as fundamentally ethical by explaining value ontology as its ground
-drawing the consequences of such ethics in an intersubjective world
-constructing a law-system based on these consequences
-explaining the western constitutions and the American one in particular as such a construction, imperfect but having been for good time sufficient
-attempting to explicate how the 'socialist virtues' of attempting to value otherness-as-itself can be made to fit in with a basic doctrine of valuing otherness in terms of oneself, which at first glance is contradictory
-explaining the role of the state as a minimally sufficient mediator between different self-valuings; 'law and order' explained in philosophically / ethically necessary terms
Sounds a bit like what you get when you ask Congress for the key to the men's room.

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What is left unaddressed here is the directly individual, the truly subjective explorations of experience. This is the sort of material Parodites has specialized himself in.
Not sure to what you are referring. Suspect

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Before the self has been explicated, that is to say, before the act of self-valuing is brought to light in concrete terms, I can not formulate is a "what is of value" - value-ontology defines value as indirectly established, and explicated only by the clarification of the subject to himself as an activity of constantly enabling valuation. Yes, the (pursuit of the science/methods of) enabling of valuation is the first ethical activity I can prescribe to mans philosophical self-rulership , if philosophy is to take the shape of value ontology, as it once took on Plato's ideational paradigm.
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Fuck it - there will eventually be open borders everywhere in the desirable world - but not before a great autonomy has been granted to localities for setting rules, laws and customs in their own realm. Criminals, violators of those laws, can be expelled from the community rather than punished, and taken into a central socialistic welfare state, which is basically the modern mediocre urban environment we now have.

This is a combination of Masonic government and "Patchwork" localism, making use of Socialism in accordance with its pitfalls, namely, as making a relatively merciful pit, like a compost heap, around which all kinds of human cultures can spring unhindered by any centralistic inhibitions.
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Postby Jakob » Sun May 26, 2019 12:27 pm

"Actor Jon Voight expressed his support for President Trump, declaring him "the greatest president since Abraham Lincoln" "
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He got that precisely right.

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If he had anything in him of Obama, Bush, Clinton or any other president since Lincoln, he would long have used his power to simply stop his opponents in their tracks. But he prefers to let society finds its own way as he takes care of the most urgent repairs of the damages inflicted by endless corrupt rule.

Jakob wrote:Best president since Lincoln for sure.

I think the democrat primaries will be hilarious, by the way, the debates.
None of the people except the Tulsi girl know anything whatsoever. It'll be like watching an absurdist theatre, where every sentence is completely out of context with the last.

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Postby Del Ivers » Sun May 26, 2019 5:36 pm

Jakob wrote:..he would long have used his power to simply stop his opponents in their tracks.

Yes, not letting Congress and the American public see the results of the Mueller report; not letting anyone from his administration past or present speak freely about their experiences; not letting anyone see his finacial history; not letting anyone know about his private conversations with Putin or dealings with Russian oligarchs; and of course, a president whom by now it is glaringly evident that 'checks and balances' mean something different for him than what the Constitution states, and on and on with lies and obstructions.

Last but not least a president whom his own personal lawyer of 12 years warned that if he lost the 2020 election that Trump would not accept the results. And no doubt to say that the election was rigged and inflate the number of his voters as he inflated the numbers attending his inauguration and his rallies. Of course, if he wins, then everything is fine and he'll say the other side is not accepting the results.

Yes, these are all very Lincolnesque and no doubt Trump dreams of a future marble monument built to him in DC. Yeah, keep on dreamin'. There's about as much chance of that as tiny Confederate flags being sold at the Lincoln Memorial gift shop.
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Postby Jakob » Sun May 26, 2019 6:17 pm

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Jakob wrote:..he would long have used his power to simply stop his opponents in their tracks.

Yes, not letting Congress and the American public see the results of the Mueller report; not letting anyone from his administration past or present speak freely about their experiences; not letting anyone see his finacial history; not letting anyone know about his private conversations with Putin or dealings with Russian oligarchs; and of course, a president whom by now it is glaringly evident that 'checks and balances' mean something different for him than what the Constitution states, and on and on with lies and obstructions.

Last but not least a president whom his own personal lawyer of 12 years warned that if he lost the 2020 election that Trump would not accept the results. And no doubt to say that the election was rigged and inflate the number of his voters as he inflated the numbers attending his inauguration and his rallies. Of course, if he wins, then everything is fine and he'll say the other side is not accepting the results.

Yes, these are all very Lincolnesque and no doubt Trump dreams of a future marble monument built to him in DC. Yeah, keep on dreamin'. There's about as much chance of that as tiny Confederate flags being sold at the Lincoln Memorial gift shop.

Lincolnesque to the letter, if seen in context; though Lincoln was far more radical in measures and costs, Trumps pragmatic use of his powers to sustain his agenda (his promised one, no less) is indeed worthy of the company of Lincoln and not any others that I know of save those mythical first ones, conquering pirate spirits who shared their bounty with the whole of the human race.

Its not that politics is no longer dirty now that Trump is in office. It is that ...to be honest, Europe is no longer a shameful place to live in. It is no longer subservient to a false morality. Trump has taken on the face of the America as it has behaved in the world and shown it to its own people. For us this is great. For Reaganites this is even greater. For the sanctimonious and for globalists, this is a disaster.
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Postby Jakob » Thu May 30, 2019 12:58 pm

Last few minutes I've been considering disbanding this Philosophers Clan, nominally in my mind. Things that carry little to no consequence "irl" can easily still dominate the taste or colour of ones general mood, even in a background capacity. I was wondering if the existence of this clan in my mind was impeding me. Because not a lot of its promise that I playfully imagined has been ... but... is this even true?

Since the foundation of this clan my life has become tremendously unpredictable and frankly, weird as fuck.
My posting in as far as it was transformative might have more or less ended there, except in my capacity of barbarianhorde. What began happening is a shift to the arts, to take them more seriously. This all started with the weird but sexy art project with a girl named Esther whom I met on an MDMA party, where I had been invited by a girl I met in a breakfast cafe on Jean Talon if Im not mistaken. A film project which we started on my birthday in 2016.

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From there on, things started to get even weirder. Because I took up weed-smoking one night. It may have been the night of my 39th birthday. Im pretty sure it was. People had commented on my Facebook and I was looking at the comments with Pezer, noting one ostensibly gay comment at which I took offence. In those days there were several ILP posters too who constantly were fixated on my supposed gayness. In the meantime I was absorbed by several young ladies I had met in the few weeks of sobriety there.

So as Pezer remained sober, I did not. Pretty soon I was lying on my back on the wood floor of the rooms I had rented as Pezer was stoically smoking a cigarette at the windowsill. It was then that I realized how much I was being troubled by a feeling of guilt. Guilt before my family, in fact. For not having lived up to the ecxpectations of me as a bright and innocent kid of certain genius and artistic capacity. I should have been a millionaire by now, etcetera. I then realized something else, which I can't tell here.

What happened was the start of a process of true psychoanalysis.

This is the chart for the foundation of the Clan.

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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Jakob » Thu May 30, 2019 1:17 pm

This chart shows Uranus exactly on my ascendant, opposed the Sun, on my descendant.

For an astrologer, this is clear enough. This act, this foundation of the Clan was in fact a re-establishment of my personal soul in the framework of my life. It was all very personal to my own existence, obviously. Perhaps I just "used" philosophical friends to get to the bottom of what was going on with me.

Where during the discovery off Value Ontology, Pluto was crossing my Midheaven, during this foundation it crossed my Mercury.
Recently it has been crossing over my Mars, which has led to the culmination of this entire process, in the release into consciousness of some really troubling stuff - such things are released only when one has the capacity to engage them.

But all in all, what happened recently, under Mars-Pluto, has been logically the direct result of that night of first smoke, lying on the wooden floors of the apartment in Rosemont. The psychoanalysis.

I think I should be relieved. I do feel relieved. Of what?
Of the city, of weaknesses I took for granted but that weren't mine.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Jakob » Thu May 30, 2019 1:18 pm

Philosophy does work, but only if it gets dirty as fuck.
If you won't allow it to get (you) dirty, it is just nailponish for men.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby promethean75 » Thu May 30, 2019 1:27 pm

Yeah well when you described that sexual encounter you had with a dude whenever it was, you took the risk of being insulted by everyone that heard you... and you should have known that numbnuts turd Ferguson would run with it.

You remember what I'm talking about, yes? Few years back when you admitted to putting from the rough? Playing backdoor bandits?

Man you shoulda never said that in the company of these animals. If I were you i'da found a forum of bonafide Greeks where getting your gay on is as natural as asking stupid metaphysical questions. You probably woulda rose through the ranks pretty quickly.

But you shouldn't feel guilty in any case. Gayness or bisexuality is only a demerit when your an idiot in addition to it. You're not an idiot, just a clever asshat looking for love in all the wrong places.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby promethean75 » Thu May 30, 2019 1:28 pm

I think you need to lay low for a while and not say anything more about uranus. At least until this thing clears.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby promethean75 » Thu May 30, 2019 1:34 pm

Anyway the philosophers clan will not be disbanded. We're going to start working with Dan to get that commune going.

Dan. I'll need a general outline and plan of action for this project as soon as you can get one together.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Jakob » Thu May 30, 2019 1:40 pm

Haha. Yeah well. Ill just formally state that I was not the one picking up the soap.

Its pretty weird how much of an impact that had. For a year or so several dudes lives were entirely transfixed by this experience of mine they had learned of.

If only I was American I could run for president on looks and construed ambiguity alone.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby promethean75 » Thu May 30, 2019 1:42 pm

To finance this thing Jakob and Pedro will need to drop an album... then once we find a location, I can build the sonofabitch myself. You guys get the money, land and materials and I'll provide the grease.

Meet back in this thread in 72 hours.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Jakob » Thu May 30, 2019 1:46 pm

promethean75 wrote:To finance this thing Jakob and Pedro will need to drop an album... then once we find a location, I can build the sonofabitch myself. You guys get the money, land and materials and I'll provide the grease.

Meet back in this thread in 72 hours.

Pretty good plan.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby promethean75 » Thu May 30, 2019 1:51 pm

Ill just formally state that I was not the one picking up the soap.


Because you're a giver and not a taker, right? I've always said that capitalists find the strangest ways to give back to the community. You usually end up getting fucked in the ass regardless.

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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Jakob » Thu May 30, 2019 2:01 pm

I've always said that capitalists find the strangest ways to give back to the community.

thats pretty funny.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Jakob » Thu May 30, 2019 2:08 pm

You usually end up getting fucked in the ass regardless.

It rather awakened me to the fact that there is a cruel hierarchy among men based simply on size.
Not that this was unknown to me before that, but I never realized the extent to which some mens lives are being shaped by not being able to satisfy a woman in a straightforward way.

Its really a very interesting phenomenon. Im not sorry I learned something about it. One thing I learned is how many dudes are completely fascinated by it, far more so than I am - Im not at all, really. If I had been fascinated Id have firmly stayed away from it I reckon.

I now know Turd is as gay as Kevin Spacey. He was so far more interested in this experience of mine than I am and he left the site directly on finding out I am in fact straight when I posted a picture, to dispel the rumours that he was on this site solely to propagate.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby promethean75 » Thu May 30, 2019 2:27 pm

No doubt. The whole thing is a mess because most dudes got the hierarchy screwed up and are too preoccupied with wanting to 'please' other people. When they don't succeed in being a servant in one way, they want to become a servant in another way.

Order of ranks:

1. Big balls (courage, resolve, etc.)
2. Big brain (ability to give direction and substance to 1.)
3. Big muscles (ability to handle dat if not 2.)
4. Big wallet (ability to handle dat if not 3.)
5. Big johnson (ability to be taken seriously if not 1, 2, or 3 or 4)

The superman would possess a degree of all ranks, but always in the service of 1. 1 is the only thing that truly matters.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Dan~ » Thu May 30, 2019 9:37 pm

promethean75 wrote:Anyway the philosophers clan will not be disbanded. We're going to start working with Dan to get that commune going.
Dan. I'll need a general outline and plan of action for this project as soon as you can get one together.

I was thinking about starting really small scale.
Tents and then a single building for shower, toilet, tub, etc.

If things grow, id have public rooms which are heated and full of goodies,
The people that move in are welcome to build there.
I'm thinking it will be donation oriented.
When someone builds a small house there, they can keep it there for free.
I definitely want chickens and green houses on the land set up.
I was considering growing tobacco in the green houses.
Not for me, but for people to sell for me.
That is just one idea. Many things can be done.

I want to wait for this project until the next summer.
I'd need money to make my end happen.

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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Jakob » Fri May 31, 2019 1:12 am

Many things can indeed be done. I like your thinking.

Where would you be planning this estate?
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Dan~ » Fri May 31, 2019 1:34 am

2 main options :

Where would you be planning this estate?

1 : Set up near edmonton alberta.
2 : Set up on dad's land near drayton valley.

If you bring your own tent, there would be a suggested 7$ a day donation for the cause and upkeep.
But ofcourse, it would be free for Jakob, if need be.

The idea is to get enough resources during the summer,
to own a small home for the winter.

Id spend donations on things like solar power, extra buildings, etc.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby promethean75 » Fri May 31, 2019 2:09 am

But ofcourse, it would be free for Jakob, if need be.


oh hell no. we ain't about to let that nigga stay for free, dan. is you crazy? what do you think this is... woodstock?

the word today is JOB. jay oh bee.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Fri May 31, 2019 9:08 am

Damn, I thought this thread was dormant. Well um. Anyway, I made a follow-up to the Rhetoric installment. Here it is.

http://sendvid.com/gd4ccpwz

The thing about psychoanalysis is that it is too much about "me," like my literature teacher used to say about Romanticism.

The P's C is real, and it ain't about "me." It's more of a "check out what I can do."

So, you know. Having founded it, there is not much more J had to do for us to check out. It's fine if he made it about psychoanalysis after, I mean what more do y'all niggers want?

Aaaaanywho.

Sweet dreams gentlemen. For tomorrow, we go to warf. To the warf. That's like an ocean thing, right? Ah, fuck off.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Jakob » Fri May 31, 2019 4:32 pm

Yesterday, before the other video



Yes, psychoanalysis only goes so far. Its not about capacity. And to be viable any thing needs to be about capacity.

The ideas for a Grounds is the proper idea.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Jakob » Fri May 31, 2019 4:36 pm

promethean75 wrote:
But ofcourse, it would be free for Jakob, if need be.


oh hell no. we ain't about to let that nigga stay for free, dan. is you crazy? what do you think this is... woodstock?

So you are part of it then, thats excellent.

Still I appreciate the offer, Dan. Obviously it would not be decent for me to accept it but I sure appreciate it.
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