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Re: The Philosophers

Postby UrGod » Sat Aug 05, 2017 6:31 pm

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Void_X_Zero wrote:Yes. By devaluing their own minds and truth, humans forfeit their own existence. So be it.

This is why I never accepted the general denominator "human". Ive always known this category to include many unviable beings.

Thus, this caste division is not entirely a joke. We may have to help nature out a little bit in the coming centuries where she will definitively separate the leeches from the beings.

Human nature is just starting to show its inner rift, and it is an absolute rift.
There will be two entirely separate human species at the end of 500 years.


This is probably correct. We converged into Homo sapiens, but there is no reason to think that at some point it will not diverge again. This is predicted in such visionary works as 1984 and The Time Machine.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Fixed Cross » Wed Aug 23, 2017 12:04 am

Ive read (not been able to verify, obviously) the Neanderthal was far more capable of reason than Homo sapiens, which caused him to think longer, which caused him to lose in the fight.

Meaning that we need to become vigilant against the type that is abandoning its reasoning faculties - they can become a bigger problem as they lose more cognitive capacities. The fight against stupidity is the hardest there is, as stupidity won't flinch driving the whole world including itself into the ground, since it simply isn't able to recognize any reality.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Fixed Cross » Mon Aug 28, 2017 4:23 pm

Its been clear that we are a threat to many people here. We need to expand whatever it is that threatens.

And we are - what threatens is that we as philosophers represent, for the first time since 400 BC, reality.

It is like turning over a rock. Our haters are the scurrying vermin and lowly bugs.

One of the humble challenges has been to discern the lowly bugs from the actual vermin. But ill quit that, its unnecessary. The sunlight is killing the vermin.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Fixed Cross » Mon Aug 28, 2017 4:39 pm

Perhaps the dumbest thing any philosopher ever did was to figure he needs to be polite to placate his audience.
A polite philosopher is like a caged animal. To a philosopher, most people must always appear insufferably weak, and he cant compromise to that weakness.
Thence how there have been no Christian philosophers.

Our path of increasing power will more and more require of us that we judge and condemn to oblivion those that refuse to engage reality. This is how Athens was born back in the day, by expelling the dumb, which is to say the weak, the scared.

Philosophy has been mistaken for something merely theoretical for too long.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Magnus Anderson » Sun Sep 03, 2017 11:08 am

Our path of increasing power will more and more require of us that we judge and condemn to oblivion those that refuse to engage reality. This is how Athens was born back in the day, by expelling the dumb, which is to say the weak, the scared.


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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Jakob » Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:31 pm

Magnus Anderson wrote:
Our path of increasing power will more and more require of us that we judge and condemn to oblivion those that refuse to engage reality. This is how Athens was born back in the day, by expelling the dumb, which is to say the weak, the scared.


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Keep it up then.
My latest video on the Tree of Life is on this subject.
The outcome is favourable for Germany, the most sober and realistic country of the west. Meaning: the most ruthless, firstly vs itself.



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Anyway, not much can be done now, it would seem, as the Germans aren't inclined to disagree with any authority whatsoever. Islam is therefore widely understood and appreciate among the German working class. Turkish German Integration is powerful, a first order force in Northern Europe - it pervades the lower middle class in Holland, as well as strong layers the police force. Turks, man. They are the largest relative depository of Khan-seed and are not about to stop.

The Turks have basically settled as the ideal German - they have co opted the lower backbone of the most powerful fighting race in Europe.
The Germans, man.

They've purged themselves of Jews and have gotten in Turks instead.
Pretty much as Kaiser Wilhelm II said he'd like it done.

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These arent my choices, mind you. But having lived in the German speaking world, and having extensively experienced the rest of Western Europe, I am not mournful. Nothing will be lost that hasn't already been squandered to the American exultation of the downtrodden, cultural Marxism.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Arcturus Descending » Thu Sep 14, 2017 3:40 pm

Magnus Anderson wrote:
Our path of increasing power will more and more require of us that we judge and condemn to oblivion those that refuse to engage reality. This is how Athens was born back in the day, by expelling the dumb, which is to say the weak, the scared.


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I think that it was also Hitlers, Mussolini's, Stalin's, ad continuum.
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those that refuse to engage reality


Whose reality?
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What we take ourselves to be doing when we think about what is the case or how we should act is something that cannot be reconciled with a reductive naturalism, for reasons distinct from those that entail the irreducibility of consciousness. It is not merely the subjectivity of thought but its capacity to transcend subjectivity and to discover what is objectively the case that presents a problem....Thought and reasoning are correct or incorrect in virtue of something independent of the thinker's beliefs, and even independent of the community of thinkers to which he belongs.

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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Jakob » Fri Sep 15, 2017 3:39 pm

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Magnus Anderson wrote:
Our path of increasing power will more and more require of us that we judge and condemn to oblivion those that refuse to engage reality. This is how Athens was born back in the day, by expelling the dumb, which is to say the weak, the scared.


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I think that it was also Hitlers, Mussolini's, Stalin's, ad continuum.

No, theirs was the exact opposite.
It is surprising that you would think of nazis and Stalinists as enemies of stupidity, fear and weakness. They are the archetypical herd-species, idiots, too scared to look at their own shadow.

those that refuse to engage reality


Whose reality?

Their own.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby A Shieldmaiden » Mon Sep 18, 2017 3:11 am


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Thence how there have been no Christian philosophers.


I can think of three to begin with.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Jakob » Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:08 pm

Kierkegaard... I guess Kant.... St Augustine of course.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby A Shieldmaiden » Wed Sep 27, 2017 1:13 am

Descartes and Hegel?

Kierkegaard is the obvious one, more interestingly are the modern philosophers and namely a Jewish one Hilary Putnam.

"Putnam, demonstrated that even for a philosopher, life’s spiritual and existential dimensions must be given their place. It was through Judaism, that he found a way to make sense of the soul searching and questioning many Westerners have and of the inner tensions most feel.

Putnam’s return to Judaism, especially given the bounds of his academic discipline, is a testament of his intellectual probity, and given the demands of the every-day, of a reflective human being".
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby UrGod » Wed Sep 27, 2017 8:49 am

Lol.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby A Shieldmaiden » Wed Sep 27, 2017 9:00 am

I am your master.


Lol.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby UrGod » Wed Sep 27, 2017 9:10 am

A Shieldmaiden wrote:
I am your master.


Lol.


Deal with it.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby A Shieldmaiden » Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:20 am

Deal with it


HA.....you are getting sillier and sillier.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Jakob » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:44 pm

A Shieldmaiden wrote:Descartes and Hegel?

Kierkegaard is the obvious one, more interestingly are the modern philosophers and namely a Jewish one Hilary Putnam.

"Putnam, demonstrated that even for a philosopher, life’s spiritual and existential dimensions must be given their place. It was through Judaism, that he found a way to make sense of the soul searching and questioning many Westerners have and of the inner tensions most feel.

Putnam’s return to Judaism, especially given the bounds of his academic discipline, is a testament of his intellectual probity, and given the demands of the every-day, of a reflective human being".

Hegel... yea I suppose he claimed that he thought of himself as a kristjun. I don't find it back in his writings at all. Decartes, yeah he said it was important to uphold religion, but he didn't actually state that he believes.

As for the third, which you find most important: you seem to propose that Judaism is a form of Christianity. In fact Judaism rejects every single tenet of Christianity.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby A Shieldmaiden » Thu Sep 28, 2017 3:37 am

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As for the third, which you find most important: you seem to propose that Judaism is a form of Christianity. In fact Judaism rejects every single tenet of Christianity.


There are quite a few bygone philosophers who have been theists and there are a few living ones, including Putnam (now deceased 2016) who was a practicing Jew, although it's not always easy to tell if Jews are religious or not. I should have made the distinction between Christian and Jew in my previous post, it did occur to me to do so, but I got lazy I guess and sure enough I am pulled up for it. One of the FEW similarities in being both Christian and Jew is that they believe in the same God, Jehovah and they see the hand of God in the origins of the world, but correct me if I am wrong. Theology is a large branch in philosophy where God is a very serious topic and one of the big questions that philosophy concerns itself with, cast your eyes down the topics of this Forum alone. It is a big question and it seems that more philosophers believe in God today than yesteryear, perhaps because in the past an analytical philosopher would tend to believe that religious language is meaningless, or primarily emotive, but that is not the case today, or perhaps the statements of evolution have been examined more closely and they are finding that they are simply assertions.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Jakob » Sat Sep 30, 2017 9:53 pm

A Shieldmaiden wrote:Jakob wrote
As for the third, which you find most important: you seem to propose that Judaism is a form of Christianity. In fact Judaism rejects every single tenet of Christianity.

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There are quite a few bygone philosophers who have been theists and there are a few living ones, including Putnam (now deceased 2016) who was a practicing Jew, although it's not always easy to tell if Jews are religious or not. I should have made the distinction between Christian and Jew in my previous post, it did occur to me to do so, but I got lazy I guess and sure enough I am pulled up for it. One of the FEW similarities in being both Christian and Jew is that they believe in the same God, Jehovah and they see the hand of God in the origins of the world, but correct me if I am wrong.

Unresolved, utterly complex issue. The trinity relates to the Hebrew Godhead.

In the end, there are two aspects of the Jewish God to which the Christians also respond in the same literal fashion: the Father above the Abyss and the Father below the Abyss. But that is a minority of aspects.

If these questions puzzle you half as powerfully as they have puzzled me since a bizarre end of a life of a family member, I think you might enjoy these videos. All this is merely the beginning of shedding some light on the Jewish God, and the way that Christ emerges in that light.



God as the Void: Zen, Existentialism.




God as the Prime Mover and Source: Monotheism.




God as the Father: Will to Power.




God as the Mother: The World, Spinoza, Pantheism.




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God as God: Realm-security, Communism, Islam, Humanism, Ideologies of Conquest.




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Man as the tension between God-forms.


Here is a direct link to one instance where I discuss this issue.
https://youtu.be/H4z5PESmRo8?t=17m30s

Theology is a large branch in philosophy where God is a very serious topic and one of the big questions that philosophy concerns itself with, cast your eyes down the topics of this Forum alone. It is a big question and it seems that more philosophers believe in God today than yesteryear, perhaps because in the past an analytical philosopher would tend to believe that religious language is meaningless, or primarily emotive, but that is not the case today, or perhaps the statements of evolution have been examined more closely and they are finding that they are simply assertions.

All exact scientists have acknowledged "God", because it simply refers to the cause of such things as gravity, which has no rationally attributable cause -
if you do not count my own work, that is.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Jakob » Sun Oct 01, 2017 12:14 am

Podcast 5
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the subject of becoming or remaining true to the Earth
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby A Shieldmaiden » Sun Oct 01, 2017 1:42 am

Thanks Fixed for taking the time to respond.

I will watch the vids.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Jakob » Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:28 am

You're very welcome, Shieldmaiden. I hope that the visual association sequences have the power to captivate your deep-mind and reveal some of the true associative quality of the tree - and thus of God.
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Re: The Philosophers

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Re: The Philosophers

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Re: The Philosophers

Postby A Shieldmaiden » Mon Oct 09, 2017 3:45 am

Having listened to the Rabbi Wolf's comments and watching your vids another element of the religious question began to form in my head. There are real psychological differences between Christianity and Judaism.

Jung said the difference between Freud's approach and his own had much to do with Freud's Jewish background and his own Christian up bring. There is truth in this.

Jung writes

"I suggested years ago that every psychological theory should be criticised in the first instance as a subjective confession....this subjective premise is identical with our psychic idiosyncrasy. Idiosyncrasy is conditioned (1) by the individual, and (2) by the family, (3) by the nation, race, climate, locality and history.......I am proud of my subjective premises, I love the Swiss earth in them, I am grateful to my theological forebears for having passed on to me the Christian premise....

and Freud's Jewish psychology is similarly conditioned by the history of the Jewish people

"May it not be asked wherein lie the peculiar differences between an essentially Jewish and essentially Christian outlook....? Are we really to believe that a tribe which has wandered through history for several thousand years as "God's chosen people" was not put up to such an idea by some quite special psychological peculiarity? If no differences exist, how do we recognise Jews at all?

This deserves more research.
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Re: The Philosophers

Postby Jakob » Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:47 pm

More relevant is that Freud was atheist, Jung theist.
One could not approach the tree through Freud (all viewers will instantly see this) but one could easily approach my views with a basis of Jung.

There isnt really a question that Jung used the Tree to develop his methods. It was as prevalent in occultist circles as it is now, and its carriers were all not Jewish. (Crowley, mcMathers, etc).

Christianity is a combination of Judaism and Apollonism. So is Gnostocism and Hermeticism.
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