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Re: Shakespeare digression

Postby Hobbes Choice » Sun May 19, 2013 1:56 am

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Oh my God you really do have a bee in your bonnet, you are now attacking someone who is on your side.

Ah fer fucks sake get over it.


It's called humour.
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Re: Shakespeare digression

Postby Helandhighwater » Sun May 19, 2013 2:04 am

Hobbes Choice wrote:
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Oh my God you really do have a bee in your bonnet, you are now attacking someone who is on your side.

Ah fer fucks sake get over it.


It's called humour.


Make it clear then. There are emoticons, you've just spent the last 48 hours attacking every post I write on every thread with this stuff, I am supposed to suddenly get after days of abuse in pm and threads you are now joking after what you have now done? Really suddenly you are joking with this? Jesus H Corbett, I am not psychic.

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Re: Shakespeare digression

Postby Kriswest » Sun May 19, 2013 2:06 am

Oh my god!!! Shakespeare jrs!! :)
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Re: Shakespeare digression

Postby Helandhighwater » Sun May 19, 2013 2:08 am

Kriswest wrote:Oh my god!!! Shakespeare jrs!! :)


That makes no sense at all to me, but then neither does this thread, par for the course, I do hope the next hole is a par 3 with no bunkers and a nice receding green leading to a straight shot into something. :wink:

I personally think that a sand wedge over the moon into the special cow that farts magic will bank my next shot straight into reality. Probably not but one can but dream of moonbeams.
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Re: Shakespeare digression

Postby Hobbes Choice » Sun May 19, 2013 2:30 am

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Kriswest wrote:Oh my god!!! Shakespeare jrs!! :)


That makes no sense at all to me,.


Nor me.

But as for not getting the thread - if you don't understand it, then don't contribute to it.
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Re: Shakespeare digression

Postby Kriswest » Sun May 19, 2013 2:39 am

How many people do you know that actually, actually understand and get Shakespeare?
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Re: Shakespeare digression

Postby Helandhighwater » Sun May 19, 2013 2:42 am

Hobbes Choice wrote:
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Kriswest wrote:Oh my god!!! Shakespeare jrs!! :)


That makes no sense at all to me,.


Nor me.

But as for not getting the thread - if you don't understand it, then don't contribute to it.


Funniest thing I have read in a long time, you are now basically attacking me for being on your side and trying to demean all my arguments because they agree with yours. Do it, go on keep doing it. It's your funeral.

:lol:
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Re: Shakespeare digression

Postby Helandhighwater » Sun May 19, 2013 2:45 am

Kriswest wrote:How many people do you know that actually, actually understand and get Shakespeare?


Everyone I know, well my friends at least. Ok some people I know have never seen it, probably wouldn't watch it if I gave them money, nor would I chastise them for it. All I know is anyone I have ever met who actually watched it and took the time to get into his plays, got it. Is it really that hard to understand? I mean middle English? Well I guess it is, I don't think it is, but clearly you do, which is fine it's not like Americans speak English that well anyway. That was a joke ok, I was joking, it wasn't serious. :P
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Re: Shakespeare digression

Postby Kriswest » Sun May 19, 2013 2:56 am

In original language, few would know even British citizens of modern times. The artistry is play on words, substituting words, and creating pallets of odd emotions. Shakespeare was slang , fantasy, debauchery, reverence and bloody truth. To compare the works to paintings. I propose abstract with purpose.
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Re: Shakespeare digression

Postby jabs » Sun May 19, 2013 6:44 am

Kriswest wrote:How many people do you know that actually, actually understand and get Shakespeare?

Well the only quote I understood was "to be or not to be that is the question" which means should we be true people or not? I am true but this world is full of fakes.
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Re: Shakespeare digression

Postby Kriswest » Sun May 19, 2013 12:10 pm

See, so many see that quote as suicidal question. Others see it as you. There are other views. Art is not one perspective. Here's a question: If a painting/sculpture etc. makes a blatant statement is it art or advertising?
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Re: Shakespeare digression

Postby jabs » Sun May 19, 2013 12:30 pm

Kriswest wrote:See, so many see that quote as suicidal question. Others see it as you. There are other views. Art is not one perspective. Here's a question: If a painting/sculpture etc. makes a blatant statement is it art or advertising?

Well if the painting has all over it "buy such and such a toothpaste", I would call that advertising.
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Re: Shakespeare digression

Postby Kriswest » Sun May 19, 2013 6:46 pm

Then that fits Warhol. That is one advertiser. What about all the "artists " that claim they are making a statement? Are they not advertising their opinion and expecting you to buy it? Could we not fit Shakespeare into that?
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Re: Shakespeare digression

Postby Hobbes Choice » Sun May 19, 2013 6:54 pm

Kriswest wrote:How many people do you know that actually, actually understand and get Shakespeare?


Most people I talk to about him.
I often attend WS plays, and have seen 3 or so in the last 12 months.
There has also been a series of the historical plays on the BBC last year which I saw.
After a while you tend to pick up the patter and rhythms of Elizabethan English and the manner of speaking becomes more familiar.

Obviously knowing the gist of the plot, and then you start to see the minutiae and the detail. It is then that you understand the beauty of his method and his writing.
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Re: Shakespeare digression

Postby Hobbes Choice » Sun May 19, 2013 6:57 pm

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Funniest thing I have read in a long time, you are now basically attacking me for being on your side and trying to demean all my arguments because they agree with yours. Do it, go on keep doing it. It's your funeral.

:lol:

Anyone who attacks the Bard is not on my side. But more to the point, attacking WS has no relevance to the thread.

oh ...
before I forget...

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Re: Shakespeare digression

Postby Kriswest » Sun May 19, 2013 7:11 pm

:) My point Hobbes is that the average person will fall asleep trying to sort his words out. Chaucer's Canterbury tales in its original language, gave 3/4 of my classmates blearyeyed syndrome. Shakespeare caused alot of absence s :) Art is perspective. Cartoons can be art.
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Re: Shakespeare digression

Postby jabs » Sun May 19, 2013 7:17 pm

Hobbes Choice wrote:
Helandhighwater wrote:
Funniest thing I have read in a long time, you are now basically attacking me for being on your side and trying to demean all my arguments because they agree with yours. Do it, go on keep doing it. It's your funeral.

:lol:

Anyone who attacks the Bard is not on my side. But more to the point, attacking WS has no relevance to the thread.

oh ...
before I forget...

:)

Dear Helandhighwater,

I also experienced this behaviour with Hobbes Choice. It was a moment when there was criticisms against Margaret Thatcher, Hobbes Choice would criticize her, but he would not allow me to criticize her. If I criticized Margaret Thatcher he would defend her.

It is a very demanding task to understand Hobbes Choice at times.

By the way Hobbes, you mentioned that Shakespeare could not have been aware of Cervantes work because of the dates when works were translated, and then when I proved you wrong, you have kept quiet. May I have an apology, please :D
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Re: Shakespeare digression

Postby Hobbes Choice » Sun May 19, 2013 7:31 pm

Kriswest wrote::) My point Hobbes is that the average person will fall asleep trying to sort his words out. Chaucer's Canterbury tales in its original language, gave 3/4 of my classmates blearyeyed syndrome. Shakespeare caused alot of absence s :) Art is perspective. Cartoons can be art.


Well you asked a question - I answered it.
I love WS, and have been to the Globe Theatre 3 times now. It is utterly brilliant! Hats off to Sam Wanamaker for helping make it happen.

I agree that a majority of school kids find it difficult.
As a teacher I've found ways to present it so that they can find it more accessible - usually by offering them a dumbed down text or getting them to act it out.
Chaucer is a whole lot more tricky, but can be made accessible in the same way.
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Re: Shakespeare digression

Postby Hobbes Choice » Sun May 19, 2013 7:40 pm

jabs wrote:
Hobbes Choice wrote:
Helandhighwater wrote:
Funniest thing I have read in a long time, you are now basically attacking me for being on your side and trying to demean all my arguments because they agree with yours. Do it, go on keep doing it. It's your funeral.

:lol:

Anyone who attacks the Bard is not on my side. But more to the point, attacking WS has no relevance to the thread.

oh ...
before I forget...

:)

Dear Helandhighwater,

I also experienced this behaviour with Hobbes Choice. It was a moment when there was criticisms against Margaret Thatcher, Hobbes Choice would criticize her, but he would not allow me to criticize her. If I criticized Margaret Thatcher he would defend her.

It is a very demanding task to understand Hobbes Choice at times.

By the way Hobbes, you mentioned that Shakespeare could not have been aware of Cervantes work because of the dates when works were translated, and then when I proved you wrong, you have kept quiet. May I have an apology, please :D


So you de-rail the thread with a personal attack then you want an apology??
Are you kidding?
1) Yes, I missed your reply about the date of the death of WS. He could have read Cervantes, no that does not prove that he was Cervantes, or that Cervantes wrote all of WS works, or any of them, or that WS wrote Cervantes. In fact it does not prove anything except this...
I'll tell you what it proves. WS might have read Don Quixote..
2) On the matter of Thatcher - I was not attacking you for attacking her. I was attacking the bollocks you were talking about her. If you want to criticise a person you should attack the truth and not make up nonsense that is not true. It just reflects badly on you.
You should thank me for putting you right.
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Re: Shakespeare digression

Postby jabs » Sun May 19, 2013 10:43 pm

Hobbes Choice wrote:....You should thank me for putting you right.

Alright I thank you for enlightening me :oops:
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Re: Shakespeare digression

Postby Hobbes Choice » Sun May 19, 2013 11:06 pm

jabs wrote:
Hobbes Choice wrote:....You should thank me for putting you right.

Alright I thank you for enlightening me :oops:


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Re: Shakespeare digression

Postby Stoic Guardian » Sun May 19, 2013 11:12 pm

I'm glad to see this all worked out.
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Re: Shakespeare digression

Postby Helandhighwater » Sun May 19, 2013 11:15 pm

My sarcastometer just broke but I am sure it all works out in the end.

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Let's just say we all thank Hobbes for being the new Jesus and leave it at that.

Although I am not so sure Jesus ever sent PMs saying re: hey shit for brains! and are re: are you out of control. I think he was a little more phlegmatic in his approach to enlightening the human condition. :lol:

And no I am not going to report him for it, I really don't care enough, it just puts some context on this weird disagreement.
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Re: Shakespeare digression

Postby Kriswest » Mon May 20, 2013 1:33 am

Hobbes Choice wrote:
Kriswest wrote::) My point Hobbes is that the average person will fall asleep trying to sort his words out. Chaucer's Canterbury tales in its original language, gave 3/4 of my classmates blearyeyed syndrome. Shakespeare caused alot of absence s :) Art is perspective. Cartoons can be art.


Well you asked a question - I answered it.
I love WS, and have been to the Globe Theatre 3 times now. It is utterly brilliant! Hats off to Sam Wanamaker for helping make it happen.

I agree that a majority of school kids find it difficult.
As a teacher I've found ways to present it so that they can find it more accessible - usually by offering them a dumbed down text or getting them to act it out.
Chaucer is a whole lot more tricky, but can be made accessible in the same way.

At least your students get a taste Hats off to you for that. If given the full dose of WS. too many would lose out.
It is sad that it must be so. In 6 or more decades will the real works be only for historians? I hope not. The art would be lost.
I will be bitchy, cranky, sweet, happy, kind, pain in the ass all at random times from now on. I am embracing my mentalpause until further notice. Viva lack of total control!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is not a test,,, this is my life right now. Have a good day and please buckle up for safety reasons,, All those in high chairs, go in the back of the room.
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Re: Shakespeare digression

Postby jabs » Mon May 20, 2013 6:51 am

Helandhighwater wrote:My sarcastometer just broke but I am sure it all works out in the end.

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Let's just say we all thank Hobbes for being the new Jesus and leave it at that.

Although I am not so sure Jesus ever sent PMs saying re: hey shit for brains! and are re: are you out of control. I think he was a little more phlegmatic in his approach to enlightening the human condition. :lol:

And no I am not going to report him for it, I really don't care enough, it just puts some context on this weird disagreement.

I love your sarcastometer, may I borrow it? I am intrigued by these PMs, what are they about?
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