a thread for mundane ironists

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:37 pm

Heath Ledger

People generally express more in between their sentences when they're not speaking. Words are usually there to disguise who someone is or what they're feeling.


Of course that doesn't work here.

I believe that whatever doesn't kill you, simply makes you stranger.

Yeah, either that or the other thing.

The only sensible way to live in this world is without rules.

Of course look where that got him.

Does it depress you? To know just how alone you really are?

No, but ask me later.

The Joker is a psychopathic, mass-murdering, schizophrenic clown with zero empathy. Last week I probably slept an average of two hours a night. I couldn't stop thinking. My body was exhausted, and my mind was still going.

Let's connect the dots here.

It's like anything in life, visualizing the old man you're going to become: As long as you have a clear picture of that - the life you want to lead - eventually you'll probably get there.

Spot the irony yet?
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:10 pm

tiny nietzsche

mute yourself, I did


Here? Foe yourself.

love in the time of locked accounts

That and covid-19.

pancakes are real

Not sure about the syrup though.

I fell asleep and it is still yesterday

Then I woke up the day before.

if materialists don't shop, do they exist?

A new thread perhaps?

hold my hair while I gaze into the abyss

You know, if you really love me.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:37 pm

John Cage

Ideas are one thing and what happens is another.


Wow, what if that is actually true?

Our intention is to affirm this life, not to bring order out of chaos, nor to suggest improvements in creation, but simply to wake up to the very life we're living, which is so excellent once one gets one's mind and desires out of its way and lets it act of it's own accord.

People really do think like this, he thought.

I have nothing to say, and I am saying it.

Repeat as necessary.

The first question I ask myself when something doesn't seem to be beautiful is why do I think it's not beautiful. And very shortly you discover that there is no reason.

Not much ugly shit that doesn't include.

My favorite music is the music I haven't yet heard.

Actually, that's never been true for me.

Art is whatever you can get away with.

What's that make philosophy then?
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:11 pm

Terry Eagleton

The truth is that liberal humanism is at once largely ineffectual, and the best ideology of the 'human' that present bourgeois society can muster.


Let's call it the best of all the best of all possible worlds.

Dawkins considers that all faith is blind faith, and that Christian and Muslim children are brought up to believe unquestioningly. Not even the dim-witted clerics who knocked me about at grammar school thought that.

Come on, some of them do.

With fiction, you can talk about plot, character and narrative, whereas a poem brings home the fact that everything that happens in a work of literature happens in terms of language.

Is that tricky enough for you?

Evil is often supposed to be without rhyme or reason.

Like, coincidently, good.

Nothing in human life is inherently private.

Okay, then follow me around for a few days.

If it is true that we need a degree of certainty to get by, it is also true that too much of the stuff can be lethal.

Yo, Mr. Objectivist!!
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:59 pm

tiny nietzsche

I'll probably end up a fatalist


Either that or destined to be.

call me abysmael

And it's about time.

now I am become hunger, the destroyer of tacos

He means shrimp salad of course.

happy dada day, you absurdist fuck

Let's make it today, okay?

the coldest winter I ever saw was the summer I dreamt about you

And in San Francisco no less.

not evolving today

Though still twice as fast as yesterday.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:33 pm

Carl Reiner

The absolute truth is the thing that makes people laugh.


You at me, me at you.

I am an atheist. I have a very different take on who God is. Man invented God because he needed him. God is us.

Is that funny enough for you?

I once wrote that there are 15 things I know about God, and one is that he is allergic to shellfish.

That and atheists.

The other thing about comedy is that - you don't even know if you're failing in drama, but you do know when you're failing in comedy. When you go to a comedy and you don't hear anybody laughing, you know that you've failed.

Next up: the other thing about philosophy.

I was a teletype operator in the army, so that's where I learned to type.

Wow. Me too. 72B20.

When I found out I could write I was shocked! I didn't know I could write.

Next up: finding out that you can't.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:57 pm

Delia Owens

When cornered, desperate, or isolated, man reverts to those instincts that aim straight at survival. Quick and just. They will always be the trump cards because they are passed on more frequently from one generation to the next than the gentler genes. It is not a morality, but simple math. Among themselves, doves fight as often as hawks.


What if it really is as simple as that.

Biology sees right and wrong as the same color in different light.

Like night and day.

Kya remembered, those many years ago, Ma warning her older sisters about young men who overrevved their rusted-out pickups or drove jalopies around with radios blaring. “Unworthy boys make a lot of noise,” Ma had said. She read a consolation for females. Nature is audacious enough to ensure that the males who send out dishonest signals or go from one female to the next almost always end up alone.

I know that I did.
Of course I was just lucky.


Life had made her an expert at mashing feelings into a storable size.

That and burying them altogether.

Most of what she knew, she'd learned from the wild. Nature had nurtured, tutored, and protected her when no one else would.

Can you say that? Would you even want to?

Kya was bonded to her planet and its life in a way few people are. Rooted solid in this earth. Born of this mother.

Can you say that? Would you even want to?
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:18 pm

so sad today

i was fine till you gave me hope


No, this is a real thing.

i sleep so i don’t have to eat and i eat so i don’t have to feel

No, this is a real thing.

i don’t like you because you remind me of myself

And, no doubt, vice versa.

no matter what i’m doing, there is a quiet voice in my head whispering “what’s the point?”

Or, sure, a screeching voice.

i’m definitely non-essential

Though not as much as you.

if you're going to be fake at least be good at it

You tell me.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:11 pm

Karl Kraus

They judge lest they be judged.


Like that has ever worked.
Here say.


Morality is a burglar's tool whose merit lies in never being left behind at the scene of the crime.

Let's translate this into English.

A poem is good until one knows by whom it is.

Or, here, a post?

Morality is the tendency to pour out the baby with the bathwater.

I know that mine does.

If you wish to form a clear judgment on your friends, consult your dreams.

You know, if you have friends.

Artists have a right to be modest and a duty to be vain.

Though never to be assholes.
Well, not counting those who clearly are.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:09 pm

Heinrich Heine

Sleep is good, death is better; but of course, the best thing would to have never been born at all.


Kind of, as it were.

Like a great poet, Nature produces the greatest results with the simplest means. These are simply a sun, trees, flowers, water and love.

Gag me with a spoon?

We should forgive our enemies, but not before they are hanged.

After all, why take chances?

I live, which is the main point.

On the other hand, death will last longer.

The propaganda of communism possesses a language which every people can understand. Its elements are simply hunger, envy, death.

Not unlike the propaganda of capitalism.

There are more fools in the world than there are people.

And that is certainly true here.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:00 pm

Philosophy Tweets

"You should approach Joyce's Ulysses as the illiterate Baptist preacher approaches the Old Testament: with faith." WilliamFaulkner


Any illiterate Baptist preachers here? Any James Joyce scholars?
You know, to settle it.


“The pendulum of the mind oscillates between sense and nonsense, not between right and wrong.” C.G. Jung

Let's explain that.

“How can you be certain that your whole life is not a dream?” Rene Descartes

For example, going back to an explanation for existence itself.

"I pity the French Cinema because it has no money. I pity the American Cinema because it has no ideas." Jean-Luc Godard

Next up: the Coronavirus Cinema.

"Deprived of meaningful work, men and women lose their reason for existence; they go stark, raving mad." Fyodor Dostoevsky

Yo, capitalism!

"Man so long as he remains free, has no more constant and agonizing anxiety than find as quickly as possible someone to worship." Fyodor Dostoevsky

"Remember when it used to be Satyr?" :wink:
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby MagsJ » Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:23 pm

I once asked him/satyr why he switched so.. he said he didn’t know.

He seems to have reverted back to his natural default setting, and not those of the OCD thinking that had consumed his mind with their invasive demeanour, that at some point happens to us all.
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I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something at some point in time.. Wait, What! - MagsJ


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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:31 pm

Isadora Duncan

Virtuous people are simply those who have not been tempted sufficiently, because they live in a vegetative state, or because their purposes are so concentrated in one direction that they have not had the leisure to glance around them.


Sounds about right, he thought.

Farewell my friends, I go to glory.

Well, she's either there or she's not.

It seems to me monstrous that anyone should believe that the jazz rhythm expresses America. Jazz rhythm expresses the primitive savage.

Well, she was a racist, right?

No composer has yet caught this rhythm of America - it is too mighty for the ears of most.

White rhythm anyway.

These people seemed so enwrapped in snobbishness and the glory of being rich that they had no art sense whatever.

Yep, they're still around.

To express what is the most moral, healthful and beautiful in art this is the mission of the dancer, and to this I dedicate my life.

Wow, how delusional is that?!
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:59 pm

Tina Weymouth

Even the Beatles found it hard to escape their image; they were trapped by it.


They did alright though.

Life is too short to sit around moaning about what could have been or what was.

Like that will ever stop me.

Sometimes, you have to go through a phase whether you like it or not.

Just not here of course.

We wore our safety pins on the inside of our clothes.

Hmm, never wore them anywhere myself.

When Talking Heads started, we called ourselves Thinking Man's Dance Music.

Let's just assume that's bullshit, okay?

In Europe they understand that the arts are incredibly important both culturally and economically.

Let's just assume that's not bullshit, okay?
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:43 pm

Stefan Zweig

All I know is that I shall be alone again. There is nothing more terrible than to be alone among human beings.


Some will diagree. Vehemently, for example.

One never gets to know a person's character better than by watching his behavior during decisive moments.... It is always only danger which forces the most deeply hidden strengths and abilities of a human being to come forth.

Here? To post or not to post! :lol:

To be happy, to become creative, man must always be strengthened by faith in the meaning of his own existence.

No, he really meant it.

In history, the moments during which reason and reconciliation prevail are short and fleeting.

Would you like me to explain that?

Unless our souls had root in soil divine
We could not bear earth's overwhelming strife.
The fiercest pain that racks this heart of mine,
Convinces me of everlasting life.


Would you like me to explain that?

Often the presence of mind and energy of a person remote from the spotlight decide the course of history for centuries to come.

And we'd know that...how?
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Fri Jul 03, 2020 11:55 pm

Philosophy Tweets

"The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence." Nikola Tesla


Nope, not yet.

"Life is and will ever remain an equation incapable of solution, but it contains certain known factors." Nikola Tesla

All that science stuff for example.

"It's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves.” Franz Kafka

Yo, Kids, are you going to take that?

“Words have no power to impress the mind without the exquisite horror of their reality.” Edgar Allan Poe

Yeah, there is that part.

“Experience has shown, and a true philosophy will always show, that a vast, perhaps the larger, portion of truth arises from the seemingly irrelevant.” Edgar Allan Poe

That probably means something important, right?

“The greatest happiness is to know the source of unhappiness.” Fyodor Dostoyevsky

You know the source of mine, of course.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:39 pm

Eva Green

Don't be ashamed of who you are, embrace who you are.


Like who you are is irrelevant.

If you're weird, it's good to be weird.

Well, not counting some of the weirdos here, anyway.

That is really the freedom that allows you to create something that is exciting because who knows what's true?

See, I told you.

Nipples aren't killing children. They should be more concerned about the wars that are happening. There's so much violence in the world. There are so many legitimate things to be upset about besides nipples.

The bigger the better, I always says.

I've always felt like I'm from another planet.

Well, she's always on mine.

I'm not into social media. I'm like from another century.

I knew she's say that.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sat Jul 04, 2020 7:44 pm

Elena Epaneshnik

There's nothing more present than the ghosts of your past.


Unless of course it's the ghosts of the future.

In 2020, tomorrow is not another day.

Well, not just another day.

Just a reminder: if you're not wearing a mask, you look like a winner. The Darwin Award winner.

Wow, what might that mean?!

You can only feel truly divine when you know that you're someone else's personal demon.

Yo, Mr. Objectivist!

I wonder if we can download an updated version of 2020.

How about deleting it altogether?

If anyone is going to write another Trump's biography, I already have a name for it — "The Russian Virus".

A double entendre. At least.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sat Jul 04, 2020 9:41 pm

Robert Musil

That the will of the people can be established by voting for democrats is, of course, a delusion. Yet when considering a non-threatening system for deciding between diverse interests, then voting, of course, can be regarded as a humane and civilized process.


So, what do you think, close enough?

A man who wants the truth becomes a scientist; a man who wants to give free play to his subjectivity may become a writer; but what should a man do who wants something in between?

A context, right?

The thought came to me that all one loves in art becomes beautiful. Beauty is nothing but the expression of the fact that something is being loved.

Not much that doesn't explain.
Unfortunately?


...love must be regarded as one of the religious and dangerous experiences, because it lifts people out of the arms of reason and sets them afloat with no ground under their feet.

Hate too.
I know: like that will ever stop them.


Don't you know that every perfect life would be the end of art?

Not counting Norman Rockwell of course.
Or Bob Ross?


And since the possession of qualities presupposes that one takes a certain pleasure in their reality, all this gives us a glimpse of how it may all of a sudden happen to someone who cannot summon up any sense of reality — even in relation to himself — that one day he appears to himself as a man without qualities.

I know what you're thinking: me.
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Postby iambiguous » Sun Jul 05, 2020 7:13 pm

Heath Ledger

Some people just wanna see the world burn.


Yo, Joker!

I love acting. Oh, God, I love it. But all this fame and all this bullshit attention. I'm not supernatural. I've done nothing extremely special to deserve the position. It happens every couple of years, and it's happened to hundreds of people before me.

Happen to anyone here?

In the birthing process, you come out just realizing how stupid and weak men are! I mean, I might as well not have been in there, we're useless!

I actually think I know what he means.

Do I really look like a guy with a plan?

Now in particular.

Want know how I got these scars? My father was a drinker and a fiend. And one night he goes off crazier than usual. Mommy gets the kitchen knife to defend herself. He doesn't like that. Not one bit. So, me watching, he takes the knife to her, laughing while he does it. He turns to me, and he says, 'why so serious?' He comes at me with the knife. 'Why so serious?!'. He sticks the blade in my mouth. 'Let's put a smile on that face!'

You tell me.

I'm born to be a father. And I've been looking forward to this all my life.

In a word: dope.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:07 pm

Werner Hertzog

Economics, as we all know, is important for justifying the suffering of others.


Objectively as it were.

The Loch Ness monster is real, but the truth is that he is very tiny.

Next up: the scoop on Big Foot.

Charlotte's Web is, of course, about the life of the artist: you write for pigs and simpletons, then die alone in an abandoned fairground.

I knew it!

I waited to see “Hamilton” until it was merely passé to do so, and now it is too late. So I shall watch “1776.”

Mama, look sharp.

It is important,
To tell the young,
They can be
Anything they can dream,
So that, one day,
They'll blame themselves,
Instead of the system.


Among other things, fuck that, he thought.

Statues of J.K. Rowling to be torn down before they are built.

It's about time.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:10 pm

John Cage

Every something is an echo of nothing


If only [intellectually] in places like this.

We need not destroy the past. It is gone.

Oh, sure it is.

It is not irritating to be where one is. It is only irritating to think one would like to be somewhere else.

Among other things, duh?

I like being moved. I don't like being pushed.

Wow, she wondered, why didn't I think of that?

After I had been studying with him for two years, Schoenberg said, ‘In order to write music, you must have a feeling for harmony.’ I explained to him that I had no feeling for harmony. He then said that I would always encounter an obstacle, that it would be as though I came to a wall through which I could not pass. I said, ‘In that case I will devote my life to beating my head against that wall.’

Must be a technical thing, right?

People who aren't artists often feel that artists are inspired. But if you work at your art you don't have time to be inspired.

Must be a technical thing, right?
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:51 pm

Terry Eagleton

Any attempt to define literary theory in terms of a distinctive method is doomed to failure.


Of course we know better, don't we? Or, rather, some of us do.

Reading a text is more like tracing this process of constant flickering than it is like counting the beads on a necklace.

And reading a post?

The British are supposed to be particularly averse to intellectuals, a prejudice closely bound up with their dislike of foreigners. Indeed, one important source of this Anglo-Saxon distaste for highbrows and eggheads was the French revolution, which was seen as an attempt to reconstruct society on the basis of abstract rational principles.

Just not the ones here, he suspected.

History works itself out by an inevitable internal logic.

And then written by the winners, of course.

In the deep night of metaphysics, all cats look black.

Dogs too.

Scratch a schoolboy and you find a savage.

Or a Homie?
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Mon Jul 06, 2020 6:36 pm

Existential Comics

People in England must just wake up every day and thank god that America exists, which continually saves them from being the dumbest country on earth.


Can any Brits here confirm this?

British novel: what if I didn't follow society's strict conventions perfectly?
French novel: what if I didn't follow society's strict conventions at all?
Russian novel: what if I didn't follow society's strict conventions such as "don't murder people"?


American novel: :lol:

nerds really need to understand that liking science fiction doesn't automatically make you smarter than people who like sports

Now that's bullshit.

I don't know who needs to hear this, but owning things isn't a job.

On the other hand, "you're fired".

A libertarian is someone who thinks society will be better if the cops report directly to the billionaire elites, without the pretense of an elected official to oversee them.

What, they don't now?

I just finished writing a comic about Hegel and for a second I got worried that it was too mean spirited and the Hegel nerds would be upset by it, but then I remembered who cares.

Try that with Nietzsche.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Mon Jul 06, 2020 9:36 pm

Delia Owens

Leaning on someone leaves you on the ground.


With them on top of you. As likely as not.

In nature—out yonder where the crawdads sing—these ruthless-seeming behaviors actually increase the mother’s number of young over her lifetime, and thus her genes for abandoning offspring in times of stress are passed on to the next generation. And on and on. It happens in humans, too. Some behaviors that seem harsh to us now ensured the survival of early man in whatever swamp he was in at the time. Without them, we wouldn’t be here. We still store those instincts in our genes, and they express themselves when certain circumstances prevail. Some parts of us will always be what we were, what we had to be to survive—way back yonder.

You know, vaguely.

Slowly, she unraveled each word of the sentence: ‘There are some who can live without wild things, and some who cannot.'

And some will hunt them to extinction.

Death’s crude pluck, as always, stealing the show.

Then this part: https://youtu.be/ilGahIwQEQ0

She knew Pa was the reason they all left; what she wondered was why no one took her with them.

Or, every once in a while, Ma.

There are sounds, of course, but compared to the marsh, the swamp is quiet because decomposition is cellular work.

Naturally as it were.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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