a thread for mundane ironists

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:36 pm

Randall Munroe

Take wrong turns. Talk to strangers. Open unmarked doors. And if you see a group of people in a field, go find out what they are doing. Do things without always knowing how they’ll turn out.


Unless of course you live in reality.

It makes me happy that an arm of the US government has, in some official capacity, issued an opinion on the subject of firing nuclear missiles at hurricanes.

Doesn't make some of us happy: https://www.axios.com/trump-nuclear-bom ... 3f51c.html

I still don’t know whether there are more hard or soft things in the world.

Hard by a fucking mile, right?

There were no earthworms in New England when the European colonists arrived.

Lots of Indians though.

A magnitude 15 earthquake would involve the release of almost 1032 joules of energy, which is roughly the gravitational binding energy of the Earth. To put it another way, the Death Star caused a magnitude 15 earthquake on Alderaan.

You know, in the movies.

For a small smartphone charger, if it’s not warm to the touch, it’s using less than a penny a year.

And if it's on fire?
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He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Wed Jan 29, 2020 6:19 pm

tiny nietzsche

if you say betelgeuse three times while looking at it in the night sky, it will supernova


Try it and get back to us.

the void who cried wolf

That [still] works for me.

boy, this Warren/Sanders thing reminds me that trump had prostitutes piss on him

On the other hand, will we ever really know?

daily carry:
phone
keys
wallet
existential flaws


Organ donor card.

I like my coffee like I like my recriminations...bitter

Works with whisky too.

imagine caring about hollywood decisions

Anyone here still do?
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Wed Jan 29, 2020 8:55 pm

Robert M. Pirsig

An experiment is never a failure solely because it fails to achieve predicted results.


Though some do come closer than others.

...the stream of national consciousness moves faster now, and is broader, but it seems to run less deep.

So, don't forget to vote!

Insanity as an absence of common characteristics is also demonstrated by the Rorschach ink-blot test for schizophrenia. In this test, randomly formed ink splotches are shown to the patient and he is asked what he sees. If he says, 'I see a pretty lady with a flowering hat,' that is not a sign of schizophrenia. But if he says, 'All I see is an ink-blot,' he is showing signs of schizophrenia. The person who responds with the most elaborate lie gets the highest score for sanity. The person who tells the absolute truth does not. Sanity is not truth. Sanity is conformity to what is socially expected. Truth is sometimes in conformity, sometimes not.

So, how scientific is this?

To speak of certain government and establishment institutions as “the system” is to speak correctly, since these organizations are founded upon the same structural conceptual relationships as a motorcycle. They are sustained by structural relationships even when they have lost all other meaning and purpose. People arrive at a factory and perform a totally meaningless task from eight to five without question because the structure demands that it be that way. There’s no villain, no “mean guy” who wants them to live meaningless lives, it’s just that the structure, the system demands it and no one is willing to take on the formidable task of changing the structure just because it is meaningless. But to tear down a factory or to revolt against a government or to avoid repair of a motorcycle because it is a system is to attack effects rather than causes; and as long as the attack is upon effects only, no change is possible. The true system, the real system, is our present construction of systematic thought itself, rationality itself, and if a factory is torn down but the rationality which produced it is left standing, then that rationality will simply produce another factory.

Really, how depressing is that? After all, there's not much in the way of proving it's not true.

The real cycle you’re working on is a cycle called yourself. The machine that appears to be “out there” and the person that appears to be “in here” are not two separate things. They grow toward Quality or fall away from Quality together.

Right, thanks again for reminding me.

It is a kind of nowhere, famous for nothing at all and has an appeal because of just that.

Anyone else here live there?
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Thu Jan 30, 2020 6:03 pm

Simone de Beauvoir

All oppression creates a state of war.


Tell that to the oppressed.

One is not born, but rather becomes, a woman. No biological, psychological, or economic fate determines the figure that the human female presents in society; it is civilization as a whole that produces this creature, intermediate between male and eunuch, which is described as feminine.

Memes in other words. Them and dasein.

You have to start from where you are today and from what can be done.

Explain that to, among others, Phyllo and Karpel Tunnel. :lol:

It must be said in addition that the men with the most scrupulous respect for embryonic life are also those who are most zealous when it comes to condemning adults to death in war.

On the other hand, lots of women too.

Youth and what the Italians so prettily call stamina. The vigor, the fire, that enables you to love and create. When you've lost that, you've lost everything.

And then there is death itself.

I am incapable of conceiving infinity, and yet I do not accept finity.

Like accepting it even matters.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Thu Jan 30, 2020 7:59 pm

so sad today

i have trouble expressing my feelings except to the whole internet


Isn't that what it's for?

i love turning a positive into a negative

Like "I" into a "we".

if you don’t like me i love you

Yep, that's always worked for me.

why yes, yes i am focusing on the negative

Care to join me?

some people believe in themselves so much it’s terrifying

Either that or ridiculous.

even being alone is too many people

Jesus, he thought, what if that is true?
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Thu Jan 30, 2020 10:50 pm

Edward Snowden

It's becoming less and less the National Security Agency and more and more the national surveillance agency. It's gaining more offensive powers with each passing year.


Pick two:
1] politics
2] technology


I don't think there's anything, any threat out there today that anyone can point to, that justifies placing an entire population under mass surveillance.

Well, they think there is.

The immoral cannot be made moral through the use of secret law.

His immoral or our immoral or their immoral?

Radicalism and extremism, while they are dangers, they exist in every society on some level.

Even out in the heartland?

The power of the presidency is important, but it is not determinative.

Tell that to....

When people say, "I have nothing to hide," what they're saying is, "My rights don't matter."

One suspects it's always more complcated than that. But, sure, maybe not.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Fri Jan 31, 2020 5:51 pm

Vladimir Putin

It's better to be hanged for loyalty than be rewarded for betrayal.


Of course he's just paraphrasing Trump.

Europeans are dying out. Don't you understand that? And same-sex marriages don't produce children. Do you want to survive by drawing migrants?

Of course he's just paraphrasing Satyr.

You can do a lot more with weapons and politeness than just politeness.

A hell of a lot more.

I don’t regret anything. I did everything absolutely correctly.

Now that is cynicism.
Unless of course he actually believes it!


Maybe they have nothing else to do in America but to talk about me.

And, here I am, doing my bit to sustain it.

There is no such thing as a former KGB man.

Gee, I wonder what he means by that?
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:13 pm

so sad today

you’re not a bad person you’re just an asshole


Though, sure, probably both.

one time i tried to have a life and it was a disaster

In other words, on her terms.

does everyone have to make everything so stupid

Back again to this: genes more or less than memes.

in my head i’m having sex

In my head with me.

public displays of fake empathy

The world being a stage and all.

i miss when empathy wasn’t a corporate marketing ploy

Back before televison, right? Or...radio?
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:34 pm

Norman Mailer

Because there is very little honor left in American life, there is a certain built-in tendency to destroy masculinity in American men.


And who doesn't know exactly what it means to behave honorably. Right, Mr. Objectivist?

The sickness of our times for me has been just this damn thing that everything has been getting smaller and smaller and less and less important, that the romantic spirit has dried up, that there is no shame today. We're all getting so mean and small and petty and ridiculous, and we all live under the threat of extermination.

That and getting more so by the day.

Existentialism is the kind of philosophy that makes for legendary children.

You know, back then.

Culture's worth huge, huge risks. Without culture we're all totalitarian beasts.

So, don't forget to vote for yours.

Prevarication, like honesty, is reflexive, and soon becomes a sturdy habit, as reliable as truth.

Fucking Trumpworld!

Somewhere, something incredible happened in history - the wrong guys won.

Now of course it happens all the time.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sat Feb 01, 2020 6:29 pm

Douglas Adams

The idea was fantastically, wildly improbable. But like most fantastically, wildly improbable ideas it was at least as worthy of consideration as a more mundane one to which the facts had been strenuously bent to fit.


Ever been a fantastically, wildly improbable idea here?

How to Leave the Planet

1. Phone NASA. Their phone number is (713) 483-3111. Explain that it’s very important that you get away as soon as possible.
2. If they do not cooperate, phone any friend you may have in the White House—(202) 456-1414—to have a word on your behalf with the guys at NASA.
3. If you don’t have any friends in the White House, phone the Kremlin (ask the overseas operator for 0107-095-295-9051). They don’t have any friends there either (at least, none to speak of), but they do seem to have a little influence, so you may as well try.
4. If that also fails, phone the Pope for guidance. His telephone number is 011-39-6-6982, and I gather his switchboard is infallible.
5. If all these attempts fail, flag down a passing flying saucer and explain that it’s vitally important that you get away before your phone bill arrives.


Nope, still here.

The argument goes something like this: "I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."

About what you'd expect, right?

The more Susan waited, the more the doorbell didn't ring. Or the phone.

Must be the equivalent of that here, for sure.

The Universe, as has been observed before, is an unsettlingly big place, a fact which for the sake of a quiet life most people tend to ignore.

Well, our universe anyway.

The Electric Monk was a labour-saving device, like a dishwasher or a video recorder... Electric Monks believed things for you, thus saving you what was becoming an increasingly onerous task, that of believing all the things the world expected you to believe.

How much would you be willing to pay for one?
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sat Feb 01, 2020 7:18 pm

Philosophy Tweets

"Politics have no relation to morals." Machiavelli


Of course he's only paraphrasing, among others, Mitch McConnell.

"At the present moment, the security of coherent philosophy, which existed from Parmenides to Hegel, is lost." Karl Jaspers

Like that's necessarily a bad thing. If you know what I mean.

"They muddy the water, to make it seem deep.” Friedrich Nietzsche

You in particular, Mr. Pedant.

"You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist." Friedrich Nietzsche

My guess: this also includes interpreting what he means here.

"For things change and get so different that we can hardly recognize them and it seems that only our names remain the same." F. Scott Fitzgerald

Yeah, but lots of things like this seem to be lots of different things to lots of different people.

"From a certain point onward there is no longer any turning back. That is the point that must be reached." Franz Kafka

Or, sure, avoided at all cost.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sat Feb 01, 2020 8:37 pm

Brent Weeks

The perfect killer has no conscience.


Let's call him, say, a killing machine.

If you looked busy, you could get away with almost anything.

I know: Who looks busier here than me?

We are the stories we tell about ourselves. But when those stories are lies, we are the most surprised of all.

He means least surprised of course.
Well, for some of us anyway.


Put on some armor. Just remember what's armor and what's you, so when it's time to take it off, you can.

Tell me this isn't awash in dasein.

Just because it's a dream doesn't mean it's a lie.

True, but in ways we may never understand.

Truth doesn't depend on your belief in it.

On the other hand, your context or mine?
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:21 pm

Niels Bohr

The meaning of life consists in the fact that it makes no sense to say that life has no meaning.


Unless of course, essentially, it doesn't.

There are some things so serious you have to laugh at them.

Help me to find one.

No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical.

I'm sort of saying that myself, right?

In our description of nature the purpose is not to disclose the real essence of the phenomena but only to track down, so far as it is possible, relations between the manifold aspects of our experience.

I'm sort of saying that myself, right?

Your theory is crazy, but it's not crazy enough to be true.

QM of course.

When it comes to atoms, language can be used only as in poetry.

Rhymes with quarks.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sun Feb 02, 2020 8:02 pm

Philosophy Tweets

"Most people, in fact, will not take the trouble in finding out the truth, but are much more inclined to accept the first story they hear.” Thucydides


Well, not counting mine, of course.

“Whether it’s Paris Hilton or Kim Kardashian or whoever, stupid is certainly celebrated. ... Being a fucking idiot is a valuable commodity in this culture because you’re rewarded significantly.” Jon Hamm

You know, after he stopped being an Ad Man.

"Nothing in life is to be feared, it is only to be understood. Now is the time to understand more, so that we may fear less." Marie Curie

How dumb is this, he thought?

"Let us be terrible in order to prevent the people from being terrible themselves!” Georges Danton

Oh, yeah, that would work!

"Nothing exists; even if something exists, nothing can be known about it; and even if something can be known about it, knowledge about it can't be communicated to others.” Gorgias

Sure, I was once this optimistic myself.

“Man prefers to believe what he prefers to be true.” Francis Bacon

Two words:
1] comfort
2] consolation
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:09 pm

Zelda Fitzgerald

All I want to be is very young always and very irresponsible and to feel that my life is my own-to live and be happy and die in my own way to please myself.


Next up: All I get instead is...

Isn't it funny how danger makes people passionate?

For example, scared shitless.

The trouble with emergencies is, she said, that I always put on my finest underwear and then nothing happens.

Must be a class thing, he thought. Or a gender thing.

Why is there happiness and comfort and excitement where you are and no where else in the world?

Needless to say, no one ever said that of me.

By the time a person has achieved years adequate for choosing a direction, the die is cast and the moment has long since passed which determined the future.

This person for example.

We grew up founding our dreams on the infinite promise of American advertising. I still believe that one can learn to play the piano by mail and that mud will give you a perfect complexion.

Just in time for those idiotic Super Bowl commercials.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Mon Feb 03, 2020 6:26 pm

Luigi Pirandello

Life is a very sad piece of buffoonery, because we have .. the need to fool ourselves continuously by the spontaneous creation of a reality...which, from time to time, reveals itself to be vain and illusory.


Not counting your life of course.

Those who understood, in fact, say: 'I mustn't do this, I mustn't do that,' so as not to commit some stupidity or other! Splendid! But at a certain point we realize that all life is stupidity; so tell me yourself what it means never to have done anything foolish. At the very least it means you have never lived.

Okay, somewhat hyperbolic.

It is so. When YOU think so.

The part that YOU still don't get.

We're like so many puppets hung on the wall, waiting for someone to come and move us or make us talk.

And not just in Trumpworld.

We think we understand each other, but we never really do.

Not counting Karpel Tunnel and Phyllo of course. :lol:

If only we could see in advance all the harm that can come from the good we think we are doing.

Let's invent a gadget for that.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:15 pm

Philosophy Tweets

"If you don't build castles in the air you won't build anything on the ground.” Victor Hugo


Let's just say that, here, some take this way, way, way too far.

"I shall die in the belief that to make France free, republican and prosperous, a little ink would have sufficed - and only one guillotine.” Camille Desmoulins

A really sharp one though.

"Viking women were able to rule kingdoms, divorce husbands, own land, and Vikings were very progressive in terms of the rights of women.” Gabriel Byrne

We'll need to run this by Thor of course.

"Where there is no hope, we must invent it." Albert Camus

Needless to say, count me out.

“What do I know of man’s destiny? I could tell you more about radishes.” Samuel Beckett

Now that's some serious philosophy.

"In the beginning there were only probabilities. The universe could only come into existence if someone observed it. It does not matter that the observers turned up several billion years later. The universe exists because we are aware of it." Martin Rees

Does Can anyone really understand this?
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:48 pm

Randall Munroe

If we divide up the world’s land area evenly, there’s enough room for each of us to have a little over 2 hectares each, with the nearest person 77 meters away.


Of course stuff like this may well be completely made up.

In conclusion, if the Sun went out, we would see a variety of benefits across many areas of our lives. Are there any downsides to this scenario? We would all freeze and die.

So, is it worth it?

What if every day, every human had a 1 percent chance of being turned into a turkey, and every turkey had a 1 percent chance of being turned into a human?

Or, in my case, a chimp.

So Yoda sounds like our best bet as an energy source. But with world electricity consumption pushing 2 terawatts, it would take a hundred million Yodas to meet our demands. All things considered, switching to Yoda power probably isn’t worth the trouble—though it would definitely be green.

Let's first pin down Yoda's actual existence.

GPS timing is incredibly precise; of all the problems in engineering, it’s one of the only ones in which engineers have been forced to include both special and general relativity in their calculations.

So, is this important to know?

High up in the North in the land called Svithjod, there stands a rock. It is a hundred miles high and a hundred miles wide. Once every thousand years a little bird comes to this rock to sharpen its beak. When the rock has thus been worn away, then a single day of eternity will have gone by. — Hendrik Willem Van Loon

This guy? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hendrik_Willem_van_Loon
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Tue Feb 04, 2020 5:14 pm

Robert M. Pirsig

That's all the motorcycle is, a system of concepts worked out in steel. There's no part in it, no shape in it, that is not out of someone's mind [...] I've noticed that people who have never worked with steel have trouble seeing this—that the motorcycle is primarily a mental phenomenon. They associate metal with given shapes—pipes, rods, girders, tools, parts—all of them fixed and inviolable., and think of it as primarily physical. But a person who does machining or foundry work or forger work or welding sees "steel" as having no shape at all. Steel can be any shape you want if you are skilled enough, and any shape but the one you want if you are not. Shapes, like this tappet, are what you arrive at, what you give to the steel. Steel has no more shape than this old pile of dirt on the engine here. These shapes are all of someone's mind. That's important to see. The steel? Hell, even the steel is out of someone's mind. There's no steel in nature. Anyone from the Bronze Age could have told you that. All nature has is a potential for steel. There's nothing else there.


Ayn Rand could not have -- would have not? -- said it better herself.

You are never dedicated to something you have complete confidence in.

Then I must be doing it wrong, he thought.

The real purpose of the scientific method is to make sure Nature hasn't misled you into thinking you know something you don't actually know. There's not a mechanic or scientist or technician alive who hasn't suffered from that one so much that he's not instinctively on guard. That's the main reason why so much scientific and mechanical information sounds so dull and so cautious. If you get careless or go romanticizing scientific information, give it a flourish here and there, Nature will soon make a complete fool out of you. It does it often enough anyway even when you don't give it opportunities. One must be extremely careful and rigidly logical when dealing with Nature: one logical slip and an entire scientific edifice comes tumbling down. One false deduction about the machine and you can get hung up indefinitely.

So there!

From that original perception of the Indians as the originators of the American style of speech had come an expansion: The Indians were the originators of the American style of life. The American personality is a mixture of European and Indian values. When you see this you begin to see a lot of things that have never been explained before.

A little help with this one please.

The solutions all are simple—after you have arrived at them. But they're simple only when you know already what they are.

Not counting conflicting goods of course.

Just a sort of unexplained sadness that comes each afternoon when the new day is gone forever and there’s nothing ahead but increasing darkness.

You don't get this, do you?
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He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:53 pm

Simone de Beauvoir

You have to start from where you are today and from what can be done.


Uh-oh.

In a way, literature is true than life,' he said to himself. 'On paper, you say exactly and completely what you feel. How easy it is to break things off on paper! You hate, you shout, you kill, you commit suicide; you carry things to the very end. And that's why it's false. But it's damned satisfying. In life, you're constantly denying yourself, and others are always contradicting you. On paper, I make time stand still and I impose my convictions on the whole world; they become the only reality.

Not so much on paper these days. But point taken.

Society cares about the individual only in so far as he is profitable. The young know this. Their anxiety as they enter in upon social life matches the anguish of the old as they are excluded from it.

The C word comes to mind.

Few tasks are more like the torture of Sisyphus than housework, with its endless repetition: the clean becomes soiled, the soiled is made clean, over and over, day after day. The housewife wears herself out marking time: she makes nothing, simply perpetuates the present … Eating, sleeping, cleaning – the years no longer rise up towards heaven, they lie spread out ahead, grey and identical. The battle against dust and dirt is never won.

Next up: the assembly line.

She was ready to deny the existence of space and time rather than admit that love might not be eternal.

Right, see how far that got her.

I wish that every human life might be pure transparent freedom.

Talk about an intellectual contraption!!
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:03 am

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"Nothing is more real than nothing.” Samuel Beckett


That and everything else.

"Words are the clothes thoughts wear.” Samuel Beckett

And, here, not just the emperors.

“There is no place in a fanatic's head where reason can enter.” Napoleon Bonaparte

And who is more fanatic than you, Mr. Objectivist?

“The fool has one great advantage over a man of sense — he is always satisfied with himself.” Napoléon Bonaparte

And who is more the fool than you, Mr. Objectivist?

“To abstain from politics is in itself a political attitude.” Simone de Beauvoir

In other words, either Trump or No Trump, we're all to blame.

"The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago." Chinese Proverb

Next up: the best time to cut it down.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:05 pm

Vladimir Putin

Everything will probably never be Ok. But we have to try for it.


Given, for example, our own political prejudices.

Those who fight corruption should be clean themselves.

Hell, he could be talking about Don Trump.

Without the values at the core of Christianity and other world religions, without moral norms that have been shaped over millennia, people will inevitably lose their human dignity. One must respect every minority’s right to be different, but the rights of the majority must not be put into question.

I dare you to bring this down to earth.

Russia doesn't negotiate with terrorists. It destroys them.

Spot the irony yet?

Anyone who doesn't regret the passing of the Soviet Union has no heart. Anyone who wants it restored has no brains.

In other words, right make might vs. might makes right.

There used to be the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact. There used to be Soviet troops in the GDR. And we must honestly admit that they were occupation troops, which remained in Germany after WWII under the guise of allied troops. Now these occupation troops are gone, the Soviet Union has collapsed, and the Warsaw Pact is no more. There is no Soviet threat, but NATO and U.S. troops are still in Europe. What for?

Pick one:
1] we're the good guys
2] hypocrisy
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Wed Feb 05, 2020 6:36 pm

Nein

Tweets, tweets, everywhere. But not a thought to think.


How about this: Posts, posts, everywhere...

If you need me, I’ll be eroding your ontological and epistemological foundations.

Wow. That's my job here too!

A gentle reminder from February. Every month is the cruelest.

True, but not every month is the shortest.

Please pardon our profound indifference.

Sure. After all, it's no match for our own.

You say you want a revolution. But perhaps I could interest you in a weekend.

Of debauchery say.

A gentle reminder that before social media there was society and there was media. No one misses them.

He means a harsh reminder of course.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Wed Feb 05, 2020 9:24 pm

Norman Mailer

Revolutions are the periods of history when individuals count most.


Or, if you are one of the masses, count least.

Fascism is more of a natural state than democracy.

Well, so far, only historically.

The Frenchman Jean-PaulSartre ... had a dialectical mind good as a machine for cybernetics, immense in its way, he could peel a nuance like an onion, but he had no sense of evil, the anguish of God, and the possible existence of Satan.

Let's [somehow] confirm this.

We are all so guilty at the way we have allowed the world around us to become more ugly and tasteless every year that we surrender to terror and steep ourselves in it.

Sure, why not, Mr. Intellectual.

We live in a time which has created the art of the absurd. It is our art. It contains happenings, Pop art, camp, a theater of the absurd... Do we have the art because the absurd is the patina of waste...? Or are we face to face with a desperate or most rational effort from the deepest resources of the unconscious of us all to rescue civilization from the pit and plague of its bedding?

Sure, why not, Mr. Intellectual.

The ultimate tendency of liberalism is vegetarianism.

Not here though, right?
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Thu Feb 06, 2020 6:38 pm

Douglas Adams

What is the point? We assume that every time we do anything we know what the consequences will be, i.e., more or less what we intend them to be. This is not only not always correct. It is wildly, crazily, stupidly, cross-eyed-blithering-insectly wrong!


You know, being optimistic.

The trouble with most forms of transport, he thought, is basically one of them not being worth all the bother. On Earth — when there had been an Earth, before it was demolished to make way for a new hyperspace bypass — the problem had been with cars. The disadvantages involved in pulling lots of black sticky slime from out of the ground where it had been safely hidden out of harm's way, turning it into tar to cover the land with, smoke to fill the air with and pouring the rest into the sea, all seemed to outweigh the advantages of being able to get more quickly from one place to another — particularly when the place you arrived at had probably become, as a result of this, very similar to the place you had left, i.e. covered with tar, full of smoke and short of fish.

Of course that's still a bit off in the future.

Sir Isaac Newton, renowned inventor of the milled-edge coin and the catflap!
The what? said Richard.
The catflap! A device of the utmost cunning, perspicuity and invention. It is a door within a door, you see, a ...
Yes, said Richard, there was also the small matter of gravity.
Gravity, said Dirk with a slightly dismissed shrug, "yes, there was that as well, I suppose. Though that, of course, was merely a discovery. It was there to be discovered. ...You see? he said dropping his cigarette butt, They even keep it on at weekends. Someone was bound to notice sooner or later. But the catflap ... ah, there is a very different matter. Invention, pure creative invention. It is a door within a door, you see.


Again, that ever crucial distinction between inventing something and merely discovering it.

Looking up into the night sky is looking into infinity — distance is incomprehensible and therefore meaningless.

You know, whatever that means.

Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.

I'm living proof of that, he thought.

Why are people born? Why do they die? Why do they want to spend so much of the intervening time wearing digital watches?

Or, for that matter, coming here.
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