a thread for mundane ironists

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Mon Jan 20, 2020 8:16 pm

Edward Snowden

America is a fundamentally good country. We have good people with good values who want to do the right thing. But the structures of power that exist are working to their own ends to extend their capability at the expense of the freedom of all publics.


Right, whatever that means.

You will never be completely free from risk if you're free. The only time you can be free from risk is when you're in prison.

I'm sorry, but how idiotic is that?!

We do not live in a revolutionary time. People are not prepared to contest power.

At least some of us still remember the Sixties...and the illusion of at least believing that we were.

In the end, the Obama administration is not afraid of whistleblowers like me, Bradley Manning or Thomas Drake. We are stateless, imprisoned or powerless. No, the Obama administration is afraid of you. It is afraid of an informed, angry public demanding the constitutional government it was promised - and it should be.

Fuck you, Barry! Well, this part anyway.

You have to remember the way the internet works, when you communicate with the server, it's very likely not in your country. It's somewhere else in the world.

Though, so far, only on this planet.

The US government is not going to be able to cover this up by jailing or murdering me. Truth is coming, and it cannot be stopped.

Right, like anything has really changed.
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He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Tue Jan 21, 2020 6:18 pm

Norman Mailer

There's that popular misconception of man as something between a brute and an angel. Actually man is in transit between brute and God.


He meant demigod of course.

There is nothing safe about sex. There never will be.

Can we thank nature for that?

Each day a few more lies eat into the seed with which we are born, little institutional lies from the print of newspapers, the shock waves of television, and the sentimental cheats of the movie screen.

So, what do you think, has it gotten even worse?

The war between being and nothingness is the underlying illness of the twentieth century. Boredom slays more of existence than war.

Does this go deep enough...or does it barely scratch the surface?

I am not here only so that the blind might see, but to teach those who thought they could see that they are blind.

I know: you think that's a description of me here. And I'm not saying that it's not.
Unless of course I'm wrong.


Once a newspaper touches a story, the facts are lost forever, even to the protagonists.

Let's call this the "corporate media industrial complex".
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:09 pm

Existential Comics

It's a hard pill to swallow, but if philosophy is ever going to take its place as the queen of the sciences again, we must expel all nerds from the ranks of philosophers.


He means the analytic nerds, of course. You know, the really, really, really serious philosophers.

why is it that in sports one team always has to be declared the winner and the other team the loser. really says a lot about society.

On the other hand, there is the reality of it.

i don't think taste can be totally subjective, on account of the fact that everyone agrees that cowboys are cool

Or, for others, Indians.

When Boris Yeltsin visited American and saw the variety of goods in the Supermarkets, he questioned socialism.
When Muhammad Ali visited the Soviet Union and saw there were no homeless people, he questioned capitalism.


Okay, Mr. Objectivist, settle this.

if i were king of england i would simply make "affect" and "effect" be spelled the same way

A little help with this one, please. Magsj?

Yes, the medium is the message. And the message of YouTube is that everyone on earth is an idiot.

We know who that includes, don't we?
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:31 pm

Douglas Adams

The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy offers this definition of
the word "Infinite".
Infinite: Bigger than the biggest thing ever and then some.
Much bigger than that in fact, really amazingly immense, a totally stunning size, "wow, that's big", time. Infinity is just so big that by comparison, bigness itself looks really titchy.
Gigantic multiplied by colossal multiplied by staggeringly huge is the sort of concept we're trying to get across here.


Unless, of course, it's .99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 on and on forever and ever.
For some, that doesn't even make it 1.


“Why?' is always the most difficult question to answer. You know where you are when someone asks you 'What's the time?' or 'When was the battle of 1066?' or 'How do these seatbelts work that go tight when you slam the brakes on, Daddy?' The answers are easy and are, respectively, 'Seven-thirty in the evening,' 'Ten-fifteen in the morning,' and 'Don't ask stupid questions.”

We just don't know why that is.

You cannot see what I see because you see what you see. You cannot know what I know because you know what you know. What I see and what I know cannot be added to what you see and what you know because they are not of the same kind. Neither can it replace what you see and what you know, because that would be to replace you yourself.
Hang on, can I write this down? said Arthur, excitedly fumbling in his pocket for a pencil.


Harold having clearly missed the point.

How can I tell, said the man, that the past isn't a fiction designed to account for the discrepancy between my immediate physical sensations and my state of mind?

So, is this a trick question?

In the beginning the Universe was created.
This had made many people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.


Of course he's just paraphrasing Woody Allen.

If life is going to exist in a Universe of this size, then the one thing it cannot afford to have is a sense of proportion.

Anyone here know why?
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Wed Jan 22, 2020 6:04 pm

Brent Weeks

The perfect killer has no friends. Only targets.


And, no, not just the terminator.

You might want to think twice before you try to use a man's conscience against him. It may turn out he doesn't have one.

Hint, hint...

What people value in their books—and thus what they count as literature—really tells you more about them than it does about the book.

Well, of course.

Life is empty. Life is worthless. When we take a life, we aren't taking anything of value --- Durzo Blint

Let's prove that this is false. Philosophically, for example.

Dying well is easy, it only takes a moment of courage. It’s living well that I couldn’t do. What’s death compared to that.

In other words, blah, blah, blah.

How can one love the light and live in darkness?

Ambivalence?
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:56 pm

Existential Comics

i don't understand why the english are so against immigrants. if it weren't for immigrants they would have no good food. or hot people.


Yeah, it's sort of racist.

I just received word that in a private conversation in 2018, Bernie Sanders told Elizabeth Warren that Hegel was right about everything. Shocking, if true.

Apocryphal no doubt.

Big congrats to all the people giving up on their New Years resolutions right around now. As Jean-Paul Sartre reminds us, allowing past decisions to control our actions is a bad faith denial of our transcendent radical freedom.

You know, if you want to take it there.

News that will cause stocks to go up:
- a minimum wage increase is struck down
- employees are prevented from unionizing
- corporate taxes are reduced
- labor laws are relaxed


Well, the capitalists did win, right?

The stock market is not the economy, it's an estimate of how much wealth can be extracted from workers.

Well, the capitalists did win, right?

Do you think Kierkegaard had a "cheat day" for existential despair? Like, where he would just go about his day and enjoy his life.

Let's just say that, as with most of us, he had his "distractions".
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:20 pm

Niels Bohr

Everything we call real is made of things that cannot be regarded as real.


Not only that, but everything else too.

If quantum mechanics hasn't profoundly shocked you, you haven't understood it yet.

Or what I like to focus on: If dasein hasn't profoundly shocked you, you haven't understood it yet.

When we measure something we are forcing an undetermined, undefined world to assume an experimental value. We are not measuring the world, we are creating it.

We'll need a context of course.

An expert is a man who has made all the mistakes which can be made, in a narrow field.

And, ever more increasingly, a woman.

A physicist is just an atom's way of looking at itself.

Glibly for example.

Nothing exists until it is measured.

You know, in the either/or world. And, perhaps, only there.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Thu Jan 23, 2020 6:41 pm

Camille Paglia

Freud says, "Man fears that his strength will be taken from him by woman, dreads becoming infected with her femininity and then proving himself a weakling." Masculinity must fight off effeminacy day by day. Woman and nature stand ever ready to reduce the male to boy and infant.


Of course she's just paraphrasing Satyr paraphrasing her.

American high schools have physically imprisoned young people, stripped them of civil liberties and fed them a diet of p.c. pap.

In other words, liberal p.c. pap, and not hers.

Science cannot avert a single thunderbolt.

Let alone feminists.

The male orientation of classical Athens was inseparable from its genius. Athens became great not despite but because of its misogyny.

Really, this is how far the objectivist will go. Nothing they assert is not true.

I consider myself 100 percent a feminist, at odds with the feminist establishment in America. For me the great mission of feminism is to seek the full political and legal equality of women with men. However, I disagree with many of my fellow feminists as an equal opportunity feminist, who believes that feminism should only be interested in equal rights before the law. I utterly oppose special protection for women where I think that a lot of the feminist establishment has drifted in the last 20 years.

Let's pin down this distinction. You know, given a particular context.

If people could see the inside of my brain, I would be in prison.

In the cell next to mine, he thought.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:34 pm

Doth

It’s a perfect night to go to a party, have some champagne, wander down the hall, find a corner that bleeds into another dimension, never be seen again.


Nope, it didn't work.

I've said this before but it bears repeating: If you truly want to be happy, get turned into a wolf by a forest witch.

Nope, it didn't work.

Be the reason why the lights burn out when you enter a room.

Or, sure, the lights turn on.

Life is a delicate balance between managing your depression & letting time slowly destroy your body.

Not your life, right?

It's a perfect night to slip into something more comfortable, like a coffin.

Anyone here sleep in one?

Be the reason why she speaks a dead language in bed.

Unless, perhaps, she's the reason that you do.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Thu Jan 23, 2020 8:32 pm

Randall Munroe

Without us, Earth’s geology will grind on. Winds and rain and blowing sand will dissolve and bury the artifacts of our civilization. Human-caused climate change will probably delay the start of the next glaciation, but we haven’t ended the cycle of ice ages. Eventually, the glaciers will advance again. A million years from now, few human artifacts will remain.


Yeah, there's always that.

Horned lizards shoot jets of blood from their eyes for distances of up to 5 feet. I don’t know why they do this because whenever I reach the phrase “shoot jets of blood from their eyes” in an article I just stop there and stare at it until I need to lie down.

Nature. Go figure.

By choosing the right words, you can take an idea that's happening in your head and try to make an idea like it happen in someone else's.

So, there is still hope for both of us.

They say lightning never strikes in the same place twice. “They” are wrong. From an evolutionary perspective, it’s a little surprising that this saying has survived; you’d think that people who believed it would have been gradually filtered out of the living population.

Cue the "Darwin Awards"?
https://darwinawards.com/


The lesson: If the optimist says the glass is half full, and the pessimist says the glass is half empty, the physicist ducks.

Do you not get this too?

The official record for the fastest manmade object is the Helios 2 probe, which reached about 70 km/s in a close swing around the Sun. But it’s possible the actual holder of that title is a two-ton metal manhole cover. The cover sat atop a shaft at an underground nuclear test site operated by Los Alamos as part of Operation Plumbbob. When the 1-kiloton nuke went off below, the facility effectively became a nuclear potato cannon, giving the cap a gigantic kick. A high-speed camera trained on the lid caught only one frame of it moving upward before it vanished—which means it was moving at a minimum of 66 km/s. The cap was never found.

It's not around my neighborhood, that's for sure.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:05 pm

Robert M. Pirsig

Motorcycle maintenance gets frustrating. Angering. Infuriating. That's what makes it interesting.


What's that make maintaining our philosophy then?

Like trying to keep a fatman out of the refrigerator.

Or here: Like trying to keep an objectivist out of the dictionary.

Morals can't function normally because morals have been declared intellectually illegal by the subject object metaphysics that dominates present social thought.

I don't know about that but...

...metaphysics is good if it improves everyday life; otherwise forget it.

I don't know about that but...

For every fact there is an infinity of hypotheses.
The more you look the more you see.


And that's before we get to, well, you know.

The cutting edge of this instant right here and now is always nothing less than the totality of everything there is.

That's true. But, of far greater importance, that's as far as it goes. Or, rather, as far as we know.
Well, not counting you, Mr. Objectivist.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:26 pm

Jan Mieszkowski

English lit: Your heart is an enchanting landscape
French lit: Your heart is an eternal mystery
German lit: Your heart is a finely tuned war machine


Next up: American lit.
[You know, in Trumpworld]


Germany has declared war on Russia. Went swimming in the afternoon.
Kafka's Diary Entry on August 2, 1914


Of course that was before the metamorphosis.

Happy New Year!
Sartre: Who's happy?
Beckett: It's not new!
Kafka: There are plenty of years, infinite years, but not for us.


Of course they were just the optimists.

Philosophy is your one-way ticket on the bullet train to
Plato: truth
Descartes: clarity
Kant: reason
Schopenhauer: the grave


The bullet train?

Define ambiguity: "The point of ambiguity is that it can't be defined"
This 12-year-old's test answer suggests that the middle schools are teaching too much
a) Derrida
b) Quine
c) Sade


d) all of the above

Is your child texting about philosophy?
LOL = Leibniz or Lacan
LMAO = Let me ask Ockham
STFU = Some theories feign universalizability
ROTFL = Reflecting on the fallacious lemma


And then the grim reality:
WBGBWJ = Will Brad Get Back With Jen?
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Fri Jan 24, 2020 11:18 pm

Tana French

This girl: she bent reality around her like a lens bending light, she pleated it into so many flickering layers that you could never tell which one you were looking at, the longer you stared the dizzier you got.


This Kid too.

Some people should never meet.

And, as we all know here, even virtually.

You can be a rich scumbag just as easily as a poor scumbag, or you can be a decent human being either way. Money’s got nothing to do with it. It’s nice to have, but it’s not what makes you who you are.

In other words, after all the bills are paid.

I wasn't sure I could make it through another hour of his company without throwing my stapler at his head.

Or, from time to time, without pulling the trigger.

I told people I was taking a gap year, but the truth was that I wanted to do nothing, absolutely nothing, for as long as possible, maybe for the rest of my life.

Next up: the gap existence.

What I warn you to remember is that I am a detective. Our relationship with truth is fundamental but cracked, refracting confusingly like fragmented glass. It is the core of our careers, the endgame of every move we make, and we pursue it with strategies painstakingly constructed of lies and concealment and every variation on deception.

What I warn you to remember is that I am a philosopher...
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sat Jan 25, 2020 3:59 pm

Simone de Beauvoir

The point is not for women simply to take power out of men’s hands, since that wouldn’t change anything about the world. It’s a question precisely of destroying that notion of power.


Good luck with that, right?

Whatever the country, capitalist or socialist, man was everywhere crushed by technology, made a stranger to his own work, imprisoned, forced into stupidity. The evil all arose from the fact that he had increased his needs rather than limited them; . . . As long as fresh needs continued to be created, so new frustrations would come into being. When had the decline begun? The day knowledge was preferred to wisdom and mere usefulness to beauty. . . . Only a moral revolution - not a social or political revolution - only a moral revolution would lead man back to his lost truth.

Good luck with that, right?

No one is more arrogant toward women, more aggressive or scornful, than the man who is anxious about his virility.

And not just Mr. Reasonable.

To be free is not to have the power to do anything you like; it is to be able to surpass the given toward an open future.

Imagine attempting that here!

Oppression tries to defend itself by its utility.

You'll know that when you are in its path.

As long as the family and the myth of the family ... have not been destroyed, women will still be oppressed.

Nope, it's still around.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:35 pm

God

My son is a die-hard Socialist.


For example, read the New Testament.

Racism is unacceptable unless it's against the human race in general.

Ironic, isn't it?

What doesn't kill you just needs a little more time.

If only all the way to the grave.

ANNOUNCEMENT
As of today My son:
• Is stepping away from heavenly duties
• Will no longer be referred to as “Son of God”
• Will no longer receive funds from Christianity
• Will repay indigenous people for the cost of missionary work
• Will spend most of his time in Canada


Who does this remind you of?

I created you as mosquito food.

Go to Hell then.

Next time just dogs.

He means cats of course.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:53 pm

Edward Snowden

A lot of people in 2008 voted for Obama. I did not vote for him. I voted for a third party. But I believed in Obama's promises.


:lol:

These NSA programs were never about terrorism: they're about economic spying, social control, and diplomatic manipulation. They're about power.

Gasp!!!

If I wanted to see your emails or your wife's phone, all I have to do is use intercepts. I can get your emails, passwords, phone records, credit cards.

One suspects it's not x-Intercepts and y-Intercepts.

Radicals are not going to disappear. They're going to go underground. They're going to be hardened. And they're not going to be exposed to contrary ideas made by educated people who can make real, convincing, and persuasive arguments to deradicalise these people.

He remembered when he was one.

We have seen enough criminality on the part of government. It is hypocritical to make this allegation against me. They have narrowed the public sphere of influence.

Let's call this "might makes right".

Initially I was very encouraged. Unfortunately, the mainstream media now seems far more interested in what I said when I was 17 or what my girlfriend looks like rather than, say, the largest program of suspicionless surveillance in human history.

Let's call this the "media industrial complex".
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:12 pm

Norman Mailer

A modern democracy is a tyranny whose borders are undefined; one discovers how far one can go only by traveling in a straight line until one is stopped.


What's that make a real tyranny then?

Psychoanalysis and Zen, in my private psychic geometry, are equal to nicotine. They are anti-existential. Nicotine quarantines one out of existence.

Yeah, sure, why not.

You never do find out what makes you tick, and after a while it's unimportant.

If not to others.

If God is all good, then He is not all powerful. If God is all powerful, then He is not all good. I am a disbeliever in the omnipotence of God because of the Holocaust. But for 35 years, I have been believing that He is doing the best he can.

Of course here He has to actually exist.

When the time comes, they won't ask what kind of a Jew you are.

And not just over at Know Thyself.

At bottom, I mean profoundly at bottom, the FBI has nothing to do with Communism, it has nothing to do with catching criminals, it has nothing to do with the Mafia, the syndicate, it has nothing to do with trust-busting, it has nothing to do with interstate commerce, it has nothing to do with anything but serving as a church for the mediocre. A high church for the true mediocre.

A little help with this one please.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:30 pm

Satan

What if I told you that me and God are actually the same thing.


Wouldn't surprise me.

There's only two things worse than Hell: people who don't finish what they're saying and

Actually, I can think of a few more.

Even I believe in consent.

Yo, Ecmandu!

There's a special place in Hell for people who don't wash their hands after using the bathroom.

Especially smack dab in the middle of flu season.

I spoke to God and neither of us want the homophobes.

Purgatory it is then, Satyr.

Come to Hell, the ice cream machine in McDonald’s is never broken.

For some of course that sounds more like Heaven.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:19 pm

Douglas Adams

And so the Universe ended.


My guess: not in our lifetimes.
Although, sure, one by one, we will.


Having not said anything the first time, it was somehow even more difficult to broach the subject the second time around.

Hell, we do that all the time here, right?

Having solved all the major mathematical, physical, chemical, biological, sociological, philosophical, etymological, meteorological and psychological problems of the Universe except for his own...

That could be you too, right?

If the Universe came to an end every time there was some uncertainty about what had happened in it, it would never have got beyond the first picosecond. And many of course don't. It's like a human body, you see. A few cuts and bruises here and there don't hurt it. Not even major surgery if it's done properly. Paradoxes are just the scar tissue. Time and space heal themselves up around them and people simply remember a version of events which makes as much sense as they require it to make.

You know, if it's true.

Rather than arriving five hours late and flustered, it would be better all around if he were to arrive five hours and a few extra minutes late, but triumphantly in command.

Never tried that, admittedly.

It is folly to say you know what is happening to other people. Only they know, if they exist. They have their own Universes of their own eyes and ears.

And, in an autonomous world, their own minds.
Objectivists: Like shooting fish in a barrel!

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:03 pm

Brent Weeks

Life is meaningless, when we take a life we take nothing of value.


Unless of course you get caught.

You will find no answers here, just choices.

And rooted in dasein no less.

It's better that the innocent should live than that the guilty die.

Well need a context of course.

If you are not free to say no, your yes is meaningless.

Also: If you are not free to say yes, your no is meaningless.

...if reality is hard and flat and unjust, then it's better to adjust to what really is than to complain that it isn't what you wish. That was what made me lose faith...But having lost it, soon I doubted my lack of faith.

Trust me: I understand this better than you.

Delusional people tend to believe in what they're doing.

Not unlike, say, the objectivists.
Objectivists: Like shooting fish in a barrel!

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:01 pm

tiny nietzsche

et tu, fruit loops?


I never doubted it.

I don't know much about art, but I know what breaks my heart

Or here: I don't know much about philosophy, but I know what breaks my heart

"Death inspires me like a dog inspires a rabbit." søren kierkegaard

Like an chump, I actually Googled it.

a horse is a horse of course of course unless it's dead

And that certainly now includes Bamboo Harvester.

my aesthetic is doomsday clock

And, now, smack dab in the middle in Trumpworld: https://thebulletin.org/doomsday-clock/

Q: are we not late capitalist greed slaves?
A: we are Davos


Not only clever but quite true.
Objectivists: Like shooting fish in a barrel!

He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:28 pm

Niels Bohr

Opposites are not contradictory but complementary.


We'll need a context big time here.

In the great drama of existence we are audience and actors at the same time.

And, here, the critics.

A deep truth is a truth so deep that not only is it true but it's exact opposite is also true.

For example, matter, meet anti-matter.

Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future.

How about this: I predict that in the future we will all die.

I go into the Upanishads to ask questions.

Well, you know the ones that I would ask.

A physicist visits a colleague and notices a horseshoe hanging on the wall above the entrance. 'Do you really believe that a horseshoe brings luck?' he asks. 'No,' replies the colleague, 'but I've been told that it works even if you don't believe in it.'

So, sure, why not God too?
Objectivists: Like shooting fish in a barrel!

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Tue Jan 28, 2020 5:51 pm

Zelda Fitzgerald

Nobody has ever measured, not even poets, how much the heart can hold.


Not counting blood of course.

I love you, even if there isn’t any me, or any love, or even any life. I love you.

Or [of course], I hate you, even if there isn’t any me, or any hate, or even any life. I hate you.

I wish I could write a beautiful book to break those hearts that are soon to cease to exist: a book of faith and small neat worlds and of people who live by the philosophies of popular songs.

So, did she?

She quietly expected great things to happen to her, and no doubt that’s one of the reasons why they did.

Still, for most of us, they never do.

It is the loose ends with which men hang themselves.

And, as likely as not, over and over and over again.

Excuse me for being so intellectual. I know you would prefer something nice and feminine and affectionate.

For some of us, intelligence will always be the bottom line. Gender be damned.
Objectivists: Like shooting fish in a barrel!

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Tue Jan 28, 2020 8:06 pm

tiny nietzsche

all the people who don't care about anything give hope to the rest of us


Sort of, as it were.

horny for existentialism

Yeah, maybe once, he thought.

he died as he lived: distant

Though getting more distant all the time.

rock, paper, indecision

Nope, that will never catch on.

me: I think I'm coming down with a case of postmodernism
doktor: are you sure?
me: no


Then you are.

if I die before I wake, not a problem

Me, I'm still working on that one.
Objectivists: Like shooting fish in a barrel!

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Tue Jan 28, 2020 10:59 pm

Luigi Pirandello

Inevitably we construct ourselves. Let me explain. I enter this house and immediately I become what I have to become, what I can become: I construct myself. That is, I present myself to you in a form suitable to the relationship I wish to achieve with you. And, of course, you do the same with me.


Of course out in the real world, you try to keep that part secret.

We all have a world of things inside ourselves and each one of us has his own private world. How can we understand each other if the words I use have the sense and the value that I expect them to have, but whoever is listening to me inevitably thinks that those same words have a different sense and value, because of the private world he has inside himself, too.

You STILL don't get that part, do you?

There is someone who is living my life. And I know nothing about him.

You STILL don't get that part, do you?

All I'm saying is that you should show some respect for what other people see with their eyes and feel with their fingers, even though it be the exact opposite.

Not counting conflicting goods of course. Right, Mr. Objectivist?

Life is full of strange absurdities, which, strangely enough, do not even need to appear plausible, since they are true.

You tell me yours, I'll tell you mine.

Whatever is a reality today, whatever you touch and believe in and that seems real for you today, is going to be - like the reality of yesterday - an illusion tomorrow.

What do you think...he's gone too far?
Objectivists: Like shooting fish in a barrel!

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