a thread for mundane ironists

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:27 pm

Miles Davis

With "We Are The World," I can't even eat when I watch that on television. If I'm eatin' some food, I have to put it down. I feel very strongly about that.


Of course there are white folks who feel the same.

Sometimes [playing free] doesn't happen, because maybe a guy's wife'll come in, you know, and his ego will catch him. If everybody's completely just straight-without any old ladies over here, a fourth of whisky over there; if it's balanced right, it'll come off. It has to be. But when you get egos involved with playing free, you can't do it.

Not to worry: We're not expected to understand it.

The music has gotten thick. Guys give me tunes and they're full of chords. I can't play them...I think a movement in jazz is beginning away from the conventional string of chords, and a return to emphasis on melodic rather than harmonic variation. There will be fewer chords but infinite possibilities as to what to do with them.

Well, I think I do understand this. Though, sure, what are the odds?

It takes you years to learn how to play like yourself.

Or, here, to post like yourself.

In Europe, they like everything you do. The mistakes and everything. That's a little bit too much.

The Woody Allen Syndrome some call it.

If I hear a song like "Time After Time." I'm sittin' there lookin' at video and Cindy Lauper comes on singin' this song. I said, "God damnnnnn!"

https://youtu.be/aBsCqTlepPs How about you?
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sat Nov 23, 2019 11:14 pm

Joan Baez

You don't get to choose how you're going to die, or when. You can only decide how you're going to live.


Of course now that is just a cliche.

The easiest kind of relationship for me is with ten thousand people. The hardest is with one.

Of course now that is just a cliche.

Action is the antidote to despair.

You know, if that is actually an option.

As long as one keeps searching, the answers will come.

If only back in the Sixties.

I've never had a humble opinion. If you've got an opinion, why be humble about it?

Right, Kids?

Someone had to change the world. And obviously I was the one for the job.

Right, and look where we are now.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sun Nov 24, 2019 1:13 am

Philosophy Tweets

"All knowledge degenerates into probability." David Hume


Except of course when it's the other way around.

"The life of man is of no greater importance to the universe than that of an oyster." David Hume

Only the oyster doesn't know it.

"It is not reason which is the guide of life, but custom." David Hume

That stands to reason of course.

"Do not worry about your difficulties in Mathematics. I can assure you mine are still greater." Albert Einstein

I dare you to believe that.

“There is no need to build a labyrinth when the entire universe is one.” Jorge Luis Borges

You know, whatever that means.

“The original is unfaithful to the translation.” Jorge Luis Borges

Once in a blue moon for example. Or twice.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:25 pm

André Aciman

Did I want him to act? Or would I prefer a lifetime of longing provided we both kept this little Ping-Pong game going: not knowing, not-not-knowing, not-not-not-knowing? Just be quiet, say nothing, and if you can't say "yes," don't say "no," say "later." Is this why people say "maybe" when they mean "yes," but hope you'll think it's "no" when all they really mean is, Please, just ask me once more, and once more after that?”


Pathetic, isn't it?

I'm not wise at all. I told you, I know nothing. I know books, and I know how to string words together--it doesn't mean I know how to speak about the things that matter most to me.
But you're doing it now--in a way.
Yes, in a way--that's how I always say things: in a way.


In a way, that's applicable here too.

Everyone goes through a period of Traviamento - when we take, say, a different turn in life, the other via. Dante himself did. Some recover, some pretend to recover, some never come back, some chicken out before even starting, and some, for fear of taking any turns, find themselves leading the wrong life all life long.

That's me, he thought.

Twenty years was yesterday, and yesterday was just earlier this morning, and morning seemed light-years away.

Time playing tricks on us.

We are not written for one instrument alone; I am not, neither are you.

Let's trade instruments.

Time makes us sentimental. Perhaps, in the end, it is because of time that we suffer.

Next up: Time makes us bitter.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sun Nov 24, 2019 10:07 pm

Nein

Dystopia. I thought it’d be smarter.


Well, Trump is one in a million.

The poets regret to inform you that truth is beauty. Beauty is truth. And the ugly truth is, well, philosophy.

Seriously.

If you need me, I’ll be spending some quality time. With space.

From dust to dust as it were.

I’m just here for the ontological uncertainty.

Teleologically as it were.

Friday. Casual capitalism.

Not counting the sweatshops of course.

A gentle reminder to look on the bright side. And take note of how dark it is.

If only all the way to the grave.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sun Nov 24, 2019 10:32 pm

Margaret Atwood from The Testaments

Keep your friends close but your enemies closer. Having no friends, I must make do with enemies.


I hear that!
You know, for better or worse.


One person alone is not a full person: we exist in relation to others. I was one person: I risked becoming no person.

A risk that some are willing to take, he noted.

I always made dough men, I never made dough women, because after they were baked I would eat them, and that made me feel I had a secret power over men. It was becoming clear to me that, despite the urges Aunt Vidala said I aroused in them, I had no power over them otherwise.

On the other hand, how far removed is this from living in la la land.

What good is it to throw yourself in front of a steamroller out of moral principles and then be crushed flat like a sock emptied of its foot?

Yet they'll do it every time.

Wedlock: it had a dull metallic sound, like an iron door clicking shut.

You know, eventually.

The corrupt and blood-smeared fingerprints of the past must be wiped away to create a clean space for the morally pure generation that is surely about to arrive. Such is the theory.

So, don't forget to vote!
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:31 pm

Robert Pirsig

This inner peace of mind occurs on three levels of understanding. Physical quietness seems the easiest to achieve, although there are levels and levels of this too, as attested by the ability of Hindu mystics to live buried alive for many days. Mental quietness, in which one has no wandering thoughts at all, seems more difficult, but can be achieved. But value quietness, in which one has no wandering desires at all but simply performs the acts of his life without desire, that seems the hardest.


It sort of works that way, right?

What was behind this smug presumption that what pleased you was bad or at least unimportant in comparison to other things?

Little children were trained not to do “just what they liked’ but … but what? … Of course! What others liked. And which others? Parents, teachers, supervisors, policemen, judges, officials, kings, dictators. All authorities.

When you are trained to despise “just what you like” then, of course, you become a much more obedient servant of others — a good slave. When you learn not to do “just what you like” then the System loves you.


It sort of works that way, right?

When you live in the shadow of insanity, the appearance of another mind that thinks and talks as yours does is something close to a blessed event.

Reminds me of a few folks here...

There is a perennial classical question that asks which part of the motorcycle, which grain of sand in which pile, is the Buddha. Obviously to ask that question is to look in the wrong direction, for the Buddha is everywhere. But just as obviously to ask the question is to look in the right direction, for the Buddha is everwhere.

Of course here he is competing with God.

The range of human knowledge today is so great that we're all specialists and the distance between specializations has become so great that anyone who seeks to wander freely between them almost has to forego closeness with the people around him.

Let me guess: For better or for worse.

The cause of our current social crises, he would have said, is a genetic defect within the nature of reason itself. And until this genetic defect is cleared, the crises will continue. Our current modes of rationality are not moving society forward into a better world. They are taking it further and further from that better world. Since the Renaissance these modes have worked. As long as the need for food, clothing and shelter is dominant they will continue to work. But now that for huge masses of people these needs no longer overwhelm everything else, the whole structure of reason, handed down to us from ancient times, is no longer adequate. It begins to be seen for what it really is…emotionally hollow, esthetically meaningless and spiritually empty.[

There must be thousands of assessment like this one to choose from now.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:57 pm

Werner Twertzog

We became larger to escape the horrors of the microbial world. We clambered onto the land to escape the horrors of the sea. We created technology to escape the horrors of nature. Finally, we invented heaven, because, as we all know, there is no escape.


Hell, that about sums up everything.

Man is born free.
But, everywhere,
He is checking work-related email.


That or posting here.

Klaus Kinski never declined the role of Harriet Tubman, I am told.

Let's at least imagine it.

I do not believe in "method acting." I starved and brutalized Christian Bale for other reasons, as we all know.

You tell me: https://youtu.be/6kktAYxwo7M

I am not good enough.
I am not smart enough.
I am not liked.
But I endure.


Like that's a good thing.

How about instead of playing the National Anthem before U.S. sporting events, there could be an inspirational reading of the Bill of Rights?

Cue Colin Kaepernick.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:04 pm

Julian Assange

Facebook in particular is the most appalling spying machine that has ever been invented.


Let's just say it wouldn't surprise me.

The penetration of society by the Internet and the penetration of the Internet by society is the best thing that has ever happened to global human civilisation.

He means the worst thing of course.

There is unity in the oppression. There must be absolute unity and determination, in the response.

We'll definitely need a context here, right?

The US presidency will continue to represent the major power groups of the United States - big business and the military - regardless of who the talking head is.

Say it ain't so, Bernie!

People love WikiLeaks when it is exposing corruption in their opponents. People oppose WikiLeaks when it is exposing corruption or dangerous behavior in themselves.

Now that is a universal truth, Faust.

Trump doesn't have one establishment, maybe with the exception of the Evangelicals, if you can call them an establishment, but banks, intelligence agencies, arms companies, big foreign money, are all united behind Hillary Clinton, and the media as well, media owners and even journalists themselves.

The part the liberal media always leaves out.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:25 pm

Thales

The most difficult thing in life is to know yourself.


He means impossible of course.

Avoid doing what you would blame others for doing.

Okay, but first they have to catch you.

The past is certain, the future obscure.

Back then in other words.

Nothing is more active than thought, for it travels over the universe, and nothing is stronger than necessity for all must submit to it.

Back then in other words.

We live not, in reality, on the summit of a solid earth but at the bottom of an ocean of air.

And we now know what's beyond that. Or think we do.

Time is the wisest of all things that are; for it brings everything to light.

You know, if one of the Gods exist.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:57 pm

Werner Twertzog

As a director, you have to know the human heart, and be willing to carve it free, still beating, and offer it, proudly, to the gods of cinema.


Let's think of one.

Do not correct the foolish.

Put them on auto-correct instead.

If you sing to the bears, they will devour you with indifference nonetheless.

You and your girlfriend.

The will that has been broken and repaired is more beautiful than one that has never been so tested.

The will. Is that anything like the soul?

Those who can, do. Those who can't, major in communication.

That or philosophy.

Thrown from the deck of a Norwegian ice-breaker, I encountered a great whale, and rode upon its back, into caverns of ice, brilliant blue, and ere long, as I renounced life once again, I was cast upon a sandy shore, bruised, beaten, yet freed, like Jonah, from worldly deceptions.

Not a documentary one suspects.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Tue Nov 26, 2019 11:12 pm

Anaximander

The source from which existing things derive their existence is also that to which they return at their destruction.


Star stuff!! Only they didn't call it that back then.

There are many worlds and many systems of Universes existing all at the same time, all of them perishable.

You know, as far as he knew.

The Earth is cylindrical, three times as wide as it is deep, and only the upper part is inhabited. But this Earth is isolated in space, and the sky is a complete sphere in the center of which is located, unsupported, our cylinder, the Earth, situated at an equal distance from all the points of the sky.

At least it's closer than Scientology. Or astrology.

Immortal and indestructible, surrounds all and directs all.

Let's call it God.

All Things are Full of God.

Or, as some insist, shit.

The undefined is divine because it is immortal and imperishable.

See, I told you.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Wed Nov 27, 2019 6:22 pm

Heraclitus

The content of your character is your choice. Day by day, what you choose, what you think and what you do is who you become.


And then the part I suggest.

There is nothing permanent except change.

For example, from the cradle to the grave.

The world is nothing but a great desire to live and a great dissatisfaction with living.

For example, from the cradle to the grave.

No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it's not the same river and he's not the same man.

This still isn't understood.

If you do not expect the unexpected, you will not recognize it when it arrives.

You know, if you're lucky.

Dogs bark at what they don't understand.

Here, of course, Kids post.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:35 pm

God

Time is money.
Money talks.
So time talks.
But talk is cheap.
So time is cheap.
But time is money.
So money is cheap.
Which it's not.


God the philosopher. Or social critic.

Jesus asked Me to tell Kanye to fuck off.

Someone explain this please.

I genuinely am God. You can tell because I'm genuinely not helping you in any way.

Now that's what I mean by demonstrable proof.

You won’t save yourselves because deep down you don’t want to.

Well, He is omniscient.

I have chosen Donald Trump to be President because I strongly dislike Western civilization and wish it to end.

Well, that is one possible explanation.

You are a device for your phone.

You meaning not me.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:09 pm

Kathy Acker

The only reaction against an unbearable society is equally unbearable nonsense.


So, how am I doing, he asked.

If you ask me what I want, I'll tell you. I want everything.

Next up: Asking her what she got.

Pain is the world. I don't have anywhere to run.

In a word: oblivion.
At least I hope so.


]We don't have a clue what it is to be male or female, or if there are intermediate genders. Male and female might be fields which overlap into androgyny or different kinds of sexual desires. But because we live in a Western, patriarchal world, we have very little chance of exploring these gender possibilities.

On the other hand, let's not forget: "We've come a long way, baby."

Well, I think writing is basically about time and rhythm. Like with jazz. You have your basic melody and then you just riff off of it. And the riffs are about timing.

Not counting Faust's philosophy of course. :wink:

Literature is that which denounces and slashes apart the repressing machine at the level of the signified.

If only in our postmodern world.
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Postby iambiguous » Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:58 pm

Phil Ochs

Step outside the guidelines of the official umpires and make your own rules and your own reality.


You know, if you're "one of us".

A protest song is a song that's so specific that you cannot mistake it for bullshit.

You know, if you're "one of us".

I wonder who I left behind on the other side of fame.

Well, Bob Dylan for one.

God help the troubadour who tries to be a star. The more that you try to find success, the more that you will fail.

https://youtu.be/_bmUQMDrep0

Call it peace or call it treason
Call it love or call it reason
But I ain't marching anymore


Unless of course you volunteer.

Mother Goose is on the loose
Stealing lines from Lenny Bruce


Procreating [among other things] flower children and hippies...
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Thu Nov 28, 2019 9:12 pm

God

You're either part of the problem or the entire problem.


You may well have even caused it.

The President of the United States is insane.

What then does that tell us of his Creator?

The human race is at 2% on Rotten Tomatoes.

Remember back when it was just 1%?

Deep down in your soul, you need more money.

Now He tells us.

I don’t exist. What’s your excuse?

Sorry, but I don't need one.

Want to honor veterans? Stop making them.

Though, sure, it's too late for me.
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Postby iambiguous » Thu Nov 28, 2019 11:11 pm

Abbie Hoffman

You measure a democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.


So, how do we measure up here?
Pretty good. Not counting the Kids of course.


You are talking to a leftist. I believe in the redistribution of wealth and power in the world. I believe in universal hospital care for everyone. I believe that we should not have a single homeless person in the richest country in the world. And I believe that we should not have a C.I.A. that goes around overwhelming governments and assassinating political leaders, working for tight oligarchies around the world to protect the tight oligarchy here at home.

Wow, he thought, does that bring back memories.

Sacred cows make the tastiest hamburger.

Of course back then PETA probably wasn't around.

I believe in compulsory cannibalism. If people were forced to eat what they killed, there would be no more wars.

You know, leaving aside the military industrial complex and the war economy.

Peace is a very complicated concept. When the lion gobbles up the lamb and wipes his lips, then there's peace. Well, I ain't for that peace at all.

Tell that to, among others, the ubermen.

The idea that media is there to educate us, or to inform us, is ridiculous because that's about tenth or eleventh on their list.

In other words, show them the money.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:25 pm

Douglas Adams

My doctor says that I have a malformed public-duty gland and a natural deficiency in moral fibre and that I am therefore excused from saving universes.


Well, at least it's genetic.

All through my life I've had this strange unaccountable feeling that something was going on in the world, something big, even sinister, and no one would tell me what it was.
No, said the old man, that's just perfectly normal paranoia. Everyone in the Universe has that.


That's probably genetic too.

Don't believe anything you read on the net. Except this. Well, including this, I suppose.

I suppose too.

Ford! he said, there's an infinite number of monkeys outside who want to talk to us about this script for Hamlet they've worked out.

It had to happen eventually, right?

To summarize the summary of the summary: people are a problem.

He means THE problem of course.

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.

You know, on this planet.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:06 pm

Bob Dylan

Pain sure does bring out the best in people, doesn't it?


You know, ironically.

So now I'm going back again
I got to get her somehow
All the people we used to know
They're an illusion to me now
Some are mathematicians
Some are carpenter's wives
Don't know how it all got started
I don't what they're doing with their lives
But me I'm still on the road Heading for another joint
We always did feel the same
We just saw it from a different point of view
Tangled up in Blue.


He's just paraphrasing me of course.

You say you've lost your faith
But that's not where it's at
You have no faith to lose and you know it


That's just the way it is on 4th Street.

People's lives are filled with vice and the trappings of it. Ambition, greed and selfishness all have to do with vice. Sooner or later, you have to see through it or you don't survive.

Or barely survive as the case may be.

I think a poet is anybody who wouldn't call himself a poet.

Just for the sake of argument, let's say that's true for philosophers too.

Once I can focus in on something, I just play it in my mind until an idea comes from out of nowhere, and it's usually the key to the whole song. It's the idea that matters. It's like electricity was around long before Edison harnessed it.

The rest being what it turned out to be, right?
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sat Nov 30, 2019 1:24 am

Jan Mieszkowski

Adorno: There is no right selfie in the wrong life.


Right, like that will stop them.

Unsexiest Philosophy Halloween Costumes
1) Trolley problem
2) Prisoner's dilemma
3) Beetle in a box
4) Whereof one cannot speak
5) Martin Heidegger


And precisely in that order, right?

Top Philosophy Halloween Costumes
1) Sexy brain in a vat
2) Sexy Schrödinger's cat
3) Sexy Occam's razor
4) Sexy body without organs
5) Sexy the thing-in-itself


And precisely in the opposite order, right?

French Lit: Your nemesis is on the bridge.
German Lit: Your nemesis is the bridge.
Russian Lit: You threw your nemesis off the bridge.
American Lit: You are your own nemesis, but you got lost on the way to the bridge.


Next up: your best friend.

There is no right life in the wrong life. (Adorno)
There is no right or wrong life. (Nietzsche)
There is no right or wrong. (Thrasymachus)
There is no life. (Beckett)
There is no. (Hegel)
No. (Camus)


Thrasymachus?

It's a little-known fact that Albert Camus was the aesthetic inspiration for Quentin Tarantino's Reservoir Dogs.

Either him or Donald Trump.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:08 pm

Jack Finney

Have you ever given someone a book you enjoyed enormously, with a feeling of envy because they were about to read it for the first time, an experience you could never have again?


Works for music and films too.

Maybe I live in what is for me the wrong time.

Like there is ever a right time.

So all in all there wasn't anything really wrong with my life. Except that, like most everyone else's I knew about, it had a big gaping hole in it, an enormous emptiness, and I didn't know how to fill it or even know what belonged there.

You know, the part before you die.

The human mind searches for cause and effect, always; and we all prefer the weird and thrilling to the dull and commonplace as an answer.

Until it becomes the other way around of course.

It may be that the strongest instinct of the human race, stronger than sex or hunger, is curiosity: the absolute need to know. It can and often does motivate a lifetime, it kills more than cats, and the prospect of satisfying it can be the most exciting of emotions.

For example, the absolute need to know things you can never actually find out.

As Einstein himself pointed out. He said we’re like people in a boat without oars drifting along a winding river. Around us we see only the present. We can’t see the past, back in the bends and curves behind us. But it’s there.

Next up: bends to the future.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sat Nov 30, 2019 9:19 pm

Existentiasl Comics

whenever people say "philosophy is useless" all you have to do is very smugly say "ahhhhh, but how do you know?" and they are soundly defeated


Do they know that?

If I were a Philosopher King, I would simply decree that the set of all sets that are not members of themselves does not, in fact, contain itself.

What if YOU were a Philosopher King?
A new thread perhaps?


i hate to admit it but of all the philosophers in history it is none other than Jean-Paul Sartre who would be most likely to slide into girls DMs

A little help with this one please.

Leave politics out of sports" they said, as a military jet flew over the stadium, and the American flag was unfurled on the field in a salute to our military bravely killing people overseas.

Pick one:
1] irony
2] hypocrisy


Philosophy is great because you get to examine questions like:
Do chairs exist?
Do numbers exist?
Do morals exist?
Do the bourgeoisie exist?
Do guillotines exist?


Anyone here actually know?

aristotle thought the path to happiness was virtue but that's wrong it's actually being super hot

Well, unless, of course, that's wrong too.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sat Nov 30, 2019 11:08 pm

Erin Morgenstern

Good and evil are a great deal more complex than a princess and a dragon . . .


And, no, not just in fairy tales, Kids.

People don’t pay much attention to anything unless you give them reason to.

So, sure, why not make it a good one.

I couldn't tell the difference between what was real and what I wanted to be real.

Among other things, welcome to the club.

And there are never really endings, happy or otherwise. Things keep going on, they overlap and blur, your story is part of your sister's story is part of many other stories, and there is no telling where any of them may lead.

At least try to grasp the significance of this.

You prefer not to see the gears of the clock, as to better tell time.

Or, here, the premises to better accept the conclusion.

Trespassers Will Be Exsanguinated.

And, among other things, that will kill you.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sun Dec 01, 2019 8:34 pm

Neal Stephenson

Until a man is twenty-five, he still thinks, every so often, that under the right circumstances he could be the baddest motherfucker in the world... Hiro used to feel this way, too, but then he ran into Raven. In a way, this was liberating. He no longer has to worry about being the baddest motherfucker in the world. The position is taken.


Here of course that would be Mr Reasonable.
Or you, right?


No linear indexing system is adequate to express the multi-dimensionality of knowledge, Dr. Waterhouse reminds him.

Tell that to, among others, Ecmandu.

For most of the day and night, time oppresses me. It is only when I am at work on the innards of a clock-or a lock-that time stops.
The clock stops, you mean.
No. Time stops, or so it seems. I do not sense its passage. Then something interrupts me-I become aware that my bladder is full, my mouth dry, my stomach rumbling, the fire’s gone out, and the sun’s gone down. But there before me on the table is a finished clock-" now suddenly a snicker from the mechanism, and a deft movement of his hands. "Or an opened lock.


Yes, more futile speculation about time.

I would say that the ability of people to agree on matters of fact not immediately visible—states of affairs removed from them in space and time—ramped up from a baseline of approximately zero to a pretty high level around the time of the scientific revolution and all that, and stayed there and became more globally distributed up through the Cronkite era, and then dropped to zero incredibly quickly when the Internet came along.

That's close enough, isn't it?

Reader, if you don’t know what a database is, rest assured that an explanation of the concept would in no way increase your enjoyment in reading this account.

Any databases here?

Do you reject the glamor of Evil, and refuse to be mastered by it?

Or, for some, Good.
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