Themes de le matrix

BluTGI · May 31, 2003, 7:12pm

The themes of the matrix are obvious i know, but will somebody post some of the more detailed less obvious ones.

Obvious theme example
Creator of matrix=God
Neo=Christ or Heroic Hindu Avatar
Matrix=paradise

Somebody find a deeper vision let me know

Magius · June 1, 2003, 12:12am

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Pax_Vitae · June 1, 2003, 12:37am

I always uses MS Word to create my posts. That way I always get my posts sqeell chekced! And I’m less lightly to loss a post

Pax_Vitae · June 1, 2003, 1:36am

I donâ€™t think that the Matrix is paradise; I would say that itâ€™s Zion or at least the idea of freedom in Zion. If anything the Matrix is a prison. I donâ€™t know if you have read the following topic: Matrix Reloaded!.

I donâ€™t thinks thereâ€™s that much to the characters and what they represent beyond the classic archetypical stereotypes.

Neo: Like youâ€™ve, and Freewill
Morpheus: Hope in Faith.
Trinity: Love can conquer all.
Link: Itâ€™s good to talk.
Oracle: The classic Guide every hero needs on his quest.
Agent Smith: A worthy foe to Neo, a.k.a Satan, with his touch he kills, and they become like him.
Matrix: Hell.
Zion: Heaven, or Earthly Paradise.
The Woman that kissed Neo: (Donâ€™t remember her name) She has lost her innocence, and wantâ€™s to taste innocent love again. But she is to worldly to ever love again in the way she wants to, so must feed off this love in others. But not quite a Femfatale.
Melavildean: (canâ€™t spell his name) Knowledge equals Power

But I believe that the Matrix is the balance that keeps both Man and Machine alive, they need each other. Kind of like Good and Evil.

I donâ€™t think most people will like the ending to the third Matrix movie, as I believe it will be a bit of an anticlimax. If you read my post in the other thread (the link above) youâ€™ll see why I think this.

Grave_Disorder · June 1, 2003, 2:06am

Neo is perhaps a modern Prometheus or Adam, breaking humanity out of their gilded cage into harsh reality. I wasn’t really paying much attention during the film however, so that’s pretty much all I can contribute.

BluTGI · June 3, 2003, 2:03pm

This post is posted knowing that it has spoilers

To explain the paradise thing in a bit too much detail, Well the jedo christian thing is this

Gensis version
God creates everything then creates adam, man is in tune with the creation man asks for a wife she gets him into trouble because he worships here more than god, and she is more in tune with earthly desires and wants. paradise fails.

Matrix version
The creator machine creates the matrix with a single man’s ideals of paradise. Well call that man alpha, eventually alpha’s ideas about paradise prove to be not real enough. The first matrix fails to work because of this. The second matrix is based more on what real life was like during 1999. The idea of the “one” is devolped with the “oracle” who is protected by the “seraph”(isnt that a word for angel?). the one fixes problems that exist in the matrix, and the one is really a mathmatical problem produced by the matrix being based on a faulted human and faulted physics

adam=alpha/neo
God=Creator
“one”=Jesus
Seraph=Archangel
1stMatrix=paradise

The biggest problem with matrix and matrix reloaded is that the second askews the first. One can base themes on the first but the second film proves them to be incorrect.

Pax_Vitae · June 3, 2003, 10:20pm

Yeap, Seraph or as most would recognise it Seraphim. Seraph is the short version: (Collins Paperback Dictionary) A member of the highest order of angels.

Pax_Vitae · June 4, 2003, 3:28pm

I’ve found out some more about these charactors in my search for knowledge of Why Melavildean.

I found this on an other board:

I don’t know how much of this is true or if this accurately has anything to do with the storylines. Well, apparently Merovingian is a somewhat small form of Christianity. They believe that Christ was never crucified, and instead went to teach in Europe. He (Christ) then maintained his bloodline in France.

According to this group, there was once a God, existing before creation. This God was all powerful, however he existed in loneliness. He grew tired of being lonely and split himself into two. His creation was a Godess by the name of Yse. He deemed himself the God of logic, and her the Godess of emotion.

There was a kiss between these two, and accoding to the Merovingians, this was the first kiss of love between a man and a woman in the universe, and was deemed as the chosen response. (the kiss between Neo and latex girl?)

The God and Godess went on to have children. God created a place for the children to inhabit, a place before existence, a heavenly, and perfect place. Whoever lived here became immortal and infinite. This turned into failure as the Gods and Goddesses (the children of the first God), became discontent with their perfection.

They felt as if they needed balance (control program?) in their lives, they needed to experience logic and emotion. The original Godess then created a not-so-perfect world for them to live in. It was a world for them to learn about being imperfect and to also appreciate their original perfection state.

There grew tension between two of the sons. The original god created a new realm where all could be recreated imperfect, mortal and finite. He allowed his children to choose sides. Those who stayed with son Micael, knew their decision was good for all. The other children who followed Adamas, in reality, followed Lucifer.

I believe it also relates to a poem by Lord Bryon, see the part in bold at the bottom.

Lord Bryon:

The first kiss of Love.

Away with your fictions of flimsy romance;
Those tissues of falsehood which folly has wove!
Give me the mild beam of the soul-breathing glance,
Or the rapture which dwells on the first kiss of love.

Ye rhymers, whose bosoms with phantasy glow,
Whose pastoral passions are made for the grove;
From what blest inspiration your sonnets would flow,
Could you ever have tasted the first kiss of love!

If Apollo should e’er his assistance refuse,
Or the Nine be disposed from your service to rove,
Invoke them no more, bid adieu to the muse,
And try the effect of the first kiss of love.

I hate you, ye cold compositions of art!
Though prudes may condemn me, and bigots reprove,
I court the effusions that spring from the heart,
Which throbs with delight to the first kiss of love.

Your shepherds, your flocks, those fantastical themes,
Perhaps may amuse, yet they never can move:
Arcadia displays but a region of dreams:
What are visions like these to the first kiss of love?

Oh! Cease to affirm that man, since his birth,
from Adam till now, has with wretchedness strove,
Some portion of paradise still is on earth,
And Eden revives in the first kiss of love.

When age chills the blood, when our pleasures are past-
For years fleet away with the wings of a dove-
The dearest remembrance will still be the last,
Our sweetest memorial the first kiss of love.

This relates to Persephone kiss with Neo.

Myth:

http://www.messagenet.com/myths/bios/persephone.htmlThe Wife of Hades
The beautiful daughter of Demeter and Zeus, Persephone is the focus of the story resulting in the division of the seasons, giving us the sweetness of Spring and the bitterness of Winter. Hades did not woo the beautiful Persephone, he abducted her and took her to his underground kingdom. After much protest, Persephone came to love the cold blooded king of the underworld but her mother, Demeter, was consumed with rage and sorrow. She demonstrated her anger by punishing the earthâ€™s inhabitants, gentle and fierce with bitter cold and blustering winds. Unless Persephone was returned of to her motherâ€™s side, the earth would perish.
Herakles came to the rescue. He entered the kingdom of Hades and negotiated a compromise between the (usually cold and selfish) Hades and the (usually loving and caring) Demeter. All agreed that Persephone would to spend part of the year with her husband, Hades, and part of the year with her mother, Demeter.
When Persephone is with Hades the earth is wracked by the sorrow of her mother. But, when Persephone returns from the underworld to walk the earth again, Demeter pours forth the blessings of Spring to welcome her beloved daughter home.

She is often confused with the Roman goddess, Proserpina

Maybe all that’s a little to much information for some

Pax_Vitae · June 5, 2003, 5:16am

I found a site that fleshs out this myth, if anybody is interested: http://adam23.freeyellow.com/index.html It’s about a 1/4 of the way down the page.

BluTGI · June 7, 2003, 5:14pm

pax another part of the bloodline thing is that Christ had children with mary magdaline and she was pregnant with their first child/children when he was crucified.