Masterbating!

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Masterbating!

Postby Youngman18 » Mon Oct 14, 2002 8:08 pm

What are your feelings towards masterbating. All guys have masterbated... and at one point in time all guys have been a slave to it. We all know this is true.

Soo I ask you: Is it wrong? Is it ok? is it normal?

My roomate is totally against it. He says, "What isn't homosexual about it.....think about it"

Also

My roomate claims he feels more MANLY and more closer to God when he doesnt masterbate...(for the record, he hasnt "celebrated" in 3 weeks) He claims it brings him closer to God. In the bible it clearly says, (if your right hand causes you to sin cut it off)

What does everyone think
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Postby Kurt Weber » Mon Oct 14, 2002 10:45 pm

First: it's "masturbate" :)

Second: An orgasm is an orgasm.
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Postby HVD » Mon Oct 14, 2002 11:50 pm

Moved this here, I really don't see any philosophical content.
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Postby Frighter » Tue Oct 15, 2002 5:41 pm

heh i find it annoying. i do it.. perhaps too much. the longest i have ever went wifout whackin it is 2 weeks. and giving in was sweet bliss. i feel it takes far too much control over my life. but then again i dont think there is anyting wrong in principle wif doin it.
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Postby Magius » Tue Oct 15, 2002 7:07 pm

Frighter stated:
heh i find it annoying. i do it.. perhaps too much. the longest i have ever went wifout whackin it is 2 weeks. and giving in was sweet bliss. i feel it takes far too much control over my life. but then again i dont think there is anyting wrong in principle wif doin it.


Personally I do not think ignorance is bliss, and it is only for this reason that I will spend time in explaining to you why I think masturbation is wrong. Otherwise, I wish thee long and splendorous experiences with yourself.

With a focus on the person versus the imagination I will attempt to illustrate that the more you masturbate, the more you are substituting the reality of another person there with you, with a compliant conception of a human being. Masturbation eleviates the need for interpersonal and romantic love. The more you do it, the less you value a real human being. The imagination makes the masturbator become use to a partner that does everything they want, when they want it, how they want it, for however long they want it, to the exact degree they want it. Since it is controlled by your imagination that you control at your every whim. What ends up happening is that you become less adaptable to new experiences with real people, you assume they will do what you want to do and invariably must get use to dissapointment. It will lead you to an unsatisfied sex life, in which you will be confused and most likely angry with your partner for not doing the things you like. Should they do what you like, it may come as a surprise to you when they are not satisfied with the sex life they have with you, since they will only be doing what you want, and your focus of pleasuring the other in the way they like to be pleasured will be diminished because of your habit of masturbation.

Futhermore, I daresay, you cannot help yourself when you are around an attractive female to associate your most recent imaginings to the real life person. As you can see, even before the act, you are suscepting the real person to your imagination and not to the actual person. Romance as an end in itself is lost, and the imaginings themselves become ends in themselves. It shouldn't surprise most that after a few months of sex with the significant other, many find themselves bored, disinterested, and looking for the way out. Coincidentally, these people blame the others, and never themselves. So the end is destroyed, but so is the beginning. Since, those who have romance as their end, will want to get to know the person from the beginning, you will find everything about them fascinating. You will be interested in their mind. So when all sex positions will have been exhausted, and the Kama Sutra put back on the book shelf; sex and everything else with the person will remain of great pleasure and interest regardless of repetition, for the feeling of romance and love associated with talking to the person, being with the person, touching the person, looking at the person,etc. One or many of these experiences is associated with all situations with your significant other. These feelings never get old, as long as the romantic end is rationalized.

Don't get me wrong, I too have masturbated, I don't think I would have the nerve to speak of this topic if I hadn't experienced it myself. But I have come to have a better understanding of it; and no longer do it for two basic reasons. (1) Because I don't want to. And more importantly, (2) Cause I don't NEED to. To many guys especially, use the reverse of the latter point against their girlfriends to get them to have sex, many woman may be familiar with the line "Come on, I need to, if I don't I will have to do it myself"

Like you said, Frighter, it takes far to much control over one's life.

Frighter, I have to apologize, cause I think the worst thing I can do is make you feel guilty while you do that, which can't be healthy - I mean feeling guilty while masturbating. So either disregard my post, or I wish you luck on your quest of will power. But then again, it appears you already feel bad for it, since the first thing you said is that you find it annoying. I think sitting on the fence on this one is a bad idea, for your psyche I mean. I will borrow a phrase from Theodore Roosevelt.

"The best thing you can do is the right thing, the second best thing you can do is the wrong thing, but the worst thing you can do is nothing."

What's your take?
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Postby Pangloss » Tue Oct 15, 2002 11:47 pm

A fantastic source of exercise, and a wonderful metaphor to use in helping dim guys understand the economic cycle.
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Postby macca » Wed Oct 16, 2002 12:01 am

interestingly there is a 100% male response to this thread...
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Postby glassjoe » Wed Oct 16, 2002 5:08 am

While I don't think "choking the bishop" is in itself a bad thing, anything done in excess can be harmful. Just like drinking, gambling, or even working and exercising.

If you are "milking the lizard" because you are just bored, or you just want to practice so you can control yourself better during the real thing, I don't see a problem with that.

But if you're doing it as a form of escape or using it as a substitute for the real thing, then I can see a problem there. Just like how some people can work or excercise for good and healthy reasons, and how some people can take it in excess and become addicted to working or exercising.

Magius, do you think your above post was a little on the sarcastic/patronizing side? I don't know you, but from what I read, it seems like what you wrote is different from what you were actually trying to say. I'm not trying to start anything, I'm just making an observation. I mean, you appeared to make a lot of assumptions based on another guy's two line post.

Oh yeah, anyone remember that Seinfeld episode where all the guys had a bet on who could go the longest without doing it, and George became this super genius. :lol: I don't know, it's probably totally the power of suggestion, but personally I think I feel more energetic and have better concentration whenever I abstane (spelling?) from all forms of sexual activity for an extended period of time. It's probably just a myth though.
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Postby Youngman18 » Fri Oct 18, 2002 6:34 am

Thanks Mr Kurtis Weber
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Postby Truthseeker » Sat Oct 19, 2002 4:12 pm

If anything makes us a slave, how can it be right?
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Postby Magius » Sat Oct 19, 2002 7:35 pm

Because right and wrong was invented by us. It doesn't really exist. We are slaves to matter, amongst other things, the most general of which is reality. It's not effective to say, matter is wrong because it enslaves us.
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Postby Truthseeker » Sat Oct 19, 2002 8:03 pm

Because right and wrong was invented by us. It doesn't really exist.


hmm, invented by us and doesn't exists you say? Then why use the word invented, eh?

Things in the mind enslave people though. Like the thought that one NEEDS to masturbate or have sex a lot just because everyone else is and it might be popular. I'm not a protestant preacher in the making either, I don't even like religions!
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Postby Magius » Sat Oct 19, 2002 8:34 pm

hmm, invented by us and doesn't exists you say? Then why use the word invented, eh?

Things in the mind enslave people though. Like the thought that one NEEDS to masturbate or have sex a lot just because everyone else is and it might be popular. I'm not a protestant preacher in the making either, I don't even like religions!


Hmm...I'm trying to figure out whether being obtuse is something you were just born with, or whether it is something you work hard at everyday.
Anyway, yes right and wrong was invented by us, but it doesn't really exist - which a rationale person should take to mean that it doesn't exist outside of the conceptual framework it was created in.
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Postby nicola » Fri Dec 13, 2002 5:36 pm

hang on ... wasn't this post about wanking? where did the whole philosophy thing come in?
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Postby Magius » Sat Dec 14, 2002 2:06 am

:lol: LOL :lol:
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Postby ben » Wed Dec 18, 2002 1:58 am

I feel like i'm living in a bad 1920's government warning video.

HELLO! WAKE UP TO THE YEAR 2002!

MASTURBATION IS HEALTHY, OK, GREAT, THE MOST FUN YOU CAN HAVE ON YOUR OWN!!!! Long gone are the days where the myths of going blind, growing hairy hands were batted around the changing rooms.

95% of MEN MASTURBATE AND THE OTHER 5% ARE LYING.

Get with the program, by not masturbating you are denying your body stress relief and if you don't do it, your body will, in the form of wet dreams. Kinda makes you think it's probably a good and healthy thing to do. Seriously, I can't believe what I'm hearing here.

Now repeat after me:

I MASTURBATE AND I'M PROUD OF IT!

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Re: Masterbating!

Postby agirl » Wed Dec 18, 2002 3:49 pm

Youngman18 wrote:What are your feelings towards masterbating. All guys have masterbated... and at one point in time all guys have been a slave to it. We all know this is true.


what a question. jesus christ guys, you really do have too much time on your hands........
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Postby agirl » Wed Dec 18, 2002 3:50 pm

oh, and ben's right by the way
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Postby Socrates' Apology » Wed Dec 18, 2002 8:27 pm

louise wrote:oh, and ben's right by the way


And how do you know? Through personal experience perchance? I don't want to get personal, but let's try and clear a few things up. we all know that the vast majority of men masturbate, but what are the statistics for women. We've all read these problem pages and such, telling us that almost everyone masturbates, and that it is a healthy thing to do, but what do the women on the board think about this. Do you masturbate? Do the majority of your friends masturbate. Is it more of a taboo subject for females, and, if so, do you believe that most of your friends do but are afraid to admit it. Personally, I don't discuss masturbation with my friends, although I'm sure most of the males do it. But does this go for women. Do women really masturbate as much as men, only they are more coy about it, or has the research not been done. Where does this idea that men masturbate more than women come from. While i'm willing to accept that this might be the case, I think it could equally be the case that women are more embarrased to admit it, or that the surveys simply haven't been carried out properly. What do you all think?
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Postby agirl » Thu Dec 19, 2002 3:12 pm

we established in one of our drunken late-night post-club discussions in the kitchen that everyone does it.
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Postby inward » Tue Dec 24, 2002 12:00 am

I find masterbating a lie. Why deceive yourselves like that? Go get a bitch, if the need is so great, and you can't help it.
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Postby ed » Sun Feb 16, 2003 4:53 pm

Magius wrote:Because right and wrong was invented by us. It doesn't really exist. We are slaves to matter, amongst other things, the most general of which is reality. It's not effective to say, matter is wrong because it enslaves us.


this is a forum about jackin off why are we delving into the fact that good and evil are a human concept. talkin about you monkey spankers is much more amusing...
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Postby ed » Sun Feb 16, 2003 4:57 pm

h2o wrote:I find masterbating a lie. Why deceive yourselves like that? Go get a bitch, if the need is so great, and you can't help it.


yes every time i need a wank i just step out my door find the nearest person at hand and go for a good fuck to calm my urge. I think american pie hit the nail... " masterbating is like hitting a ball against a wall, its good fun but sometimes its fun to have a partner to return the ball
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Postby Smooth » Sun Nov 09, 2003 5:45 pm

I see nothing wrong with it, but this is a conversation that is as old as time in my books. To me, the best thing is dual masterbation. You and a female pleasing yourselves while looking at each other. It is great!!

But then again I'm a nympho and I agree with what Magius said earlier, but you have to do it sometime.

And Ben, I screamed your chant out loud at work. People looked at me weird.
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