a thread for mundane ironists

[b]so sad today

being born is a lot of pressure[/b]

And it’s not as though we asked to be.

one thing i don’t like is the way things are

Worse: the way things are going to be.

i was born not ready

On the other hand, hardly anyone ever actually is.

whispers during sex ‘am i problematic’?

Okay, but before or after coming?

because i could not stop for death he kindly waited outside whole foods

On the other hand, it could have been a McDonalds.

talent: believing my own bullshit

A greater talent still: getting others to believe it.

[b]Dave Eggers

No. There is no balance, and no retribution, and no rules. The rules and balances you blather about are hopeful creations of a man fearing death.[/b]

Anyone here not realize that yet?

We were fools and now we were driving to our deaths in a rental car. Janet Jackson was tinkling from the speakers, asking what we had done for her as of late.

Don’t you just hate that?

The world, every day, is New. Only for those born in, say, 1870 or so, can there be a meaningful use of the term postmodernism, because for the rest of us we are born and we see and from what we see and digest we remake our world.

This really is an important insight, he thought.

Stasis is itself criminal for those with the means to move.

Not counting all the times it’s the move instead.

People say I talk slowly. I talk in a way sometimes called laconic. The phone rings, I answer, and people ask if they’ve woken me up. I lose my way in the middle of sentences, leaving people hanging for minutes. I have no control over it. I’ll be talking, and will be interested in what I’m saying, but then someone—I’m convinced this what happens—someone—and I wish I knew who, because I would have words for this person—for a short time, borrows my head. Like a battery is borrowed from a calculator to power a remote control, someone, always, is borrowing my head.

No, this is actually a real thing.

The idea we came up with, well before we left, was something we coined Performance Literature. Excuse the use of that second word, because I realize it’s presumptuous. Also, excuse the first word, and the term in general.

Lots of things like that are thought up here of course.

[b]Philosophy Tweets

“A deception that elevates us is dearer than a host of low truths.” Alexander Pushkin[/b]

Let’s note some of late.

"Leisure is the mother of philosophy” Thomas Hobbes

No, really, think about that.

“We see that humans are formed by the same things as the other animals.” Bernardino Telesio

My guess: evolution.

“We must be free not because we claim freedom, but because we practice it.” William Faulkner

If only to trample on the freedom of others.

"The problem is that the child is a sponge and absorbs indiscriminately everything that is seen on TV and the Internet ” Giovanni Sartori

The Kids too.

“Wake from death and return to life.” Japanese Proverb

If, of course, that’s actually an option.

[b]Robert Cormier

Sometimes I wake up at night in a panic. Wondering: What will my life be like? And sometimes I even wonder: Who am I? What am I doing here, on this planet, in this city, in this house? And it gives me the shivers, makes me panic.[/b]

They have an expression for that, don’t they? And it’s the same as ours.

Eric Poole began with cats. Or, to be more exact, kittens.

We know where this is going.

I wonder if it’s a special sin to lie to a nun.

Or, he thought, to fuck one.

I have always pondered a tragic law of adolescence. (On second thought, the law probably applies to all ages to some extent). That law: People fall in love at the same time—often at the same stunning moment—but they fall out of love at different times. One is left sadly juggling the pieces of a fractured heart while the other has danced away.

That’s how it works alright. You’re either one or the other.

Happiness is a way of traveling and not a destination.

If you know what he means. And I think that I do.

At some point in life, we learn our limitations, the distances we can we can travel and the boarders we will never cross. And we go from there.

Right, like we need yet another reminder.

[b]Yuval Noah Harari

…money is the most universal and most efficient system of mutual trust ever devised.[/b]

That and mutual distrust.

This is the best reason to learn history: not in order to predict the future, but to free yourself of the past and imagine alternative destinies. Of course this is not total freedom – we cannot avoid being shaped by the past. But some freedom is better than none.

How much better some might ask.

…happiness does not really depend on objective conditions of either wealth, health or even community. Rather, it depends on the correlation between objective conditions and subjective expectations.

Thanks for reminding us.

As far as we can tell from a purely scientific viewpoint, human life has absolutely no meaning. Humans are the outcome of blind evolutionary processes that operate without goal or purpose. Our actions are not part of some divine cosmic plan, and if planet earth were to blow up tomorrow morning, the universe would probably keep going about its business as usual. As far as we can tell at this point, human subjectivity would not be missed. Hence any meaning that people inscribe to their lives is just a delusion.

Thanks for reminding us.

Each year the US population spends more money on diets than the amount needed to feed all the hungry people in the rest of the world.

Does God know that?

The most common reaction of the human mind to achievement is not satisfaction, but craving for more.

Not only that but more still.

[b]Russell Banks

Since my adolescence I have read two and sometimes three newspapers a day, frequently clipping an article that for obscure and soon forgotten reasons attracts me. I usually toss the clippings into a desk drawer, and later, often years later, I’ll find myself reading through the clippings, throwing most of them out. It fills me with a strange sadness, a kind of grief for my lost self, as if I were reading and throwing out old diaries.[/b]

You get this or you don’t.

…I could no longer believe even in life. Which meant that I had come to be the reverse, the opposite of a Christian. For me, now, the only reality is death.

Hardly the opposite for many Christians.

It’s a landscape that controls you, sits you down and says, Shut up, pal, I’m in charge here.

He thought: Name one. But, sure, for others, point taken.

A tattoo does that, it makes you think about your body like it’s this special suit that you can put on or take off whenever you want and a new name if it’s cool enough does the same thing. To have both at once is power. It’s the kind of power as all those superheroes who have secret identities get from being able to change back and forth from one person into another. No matter who you think he is, man, the dude is always somebody else.

No super powers. No tattoos. Only one name. But often somebody else.

In some countries, I said to myself, the only life you can properly desire is that of destroyer.

Anyone here live in one?

Poor, deluded fools. Because their skin’s as white as the rich man’s, they believe that they might someday be rich themselves. But without the Negro, Owen, these men would be forced to see that, in fact, they have no more chance of becoming rich than do the very slaves they despise and trample on. They’d see how close they are to being slaves themselves. Thus, to protect and nurture their dream of becoming someday, somehow, rich, they don’t need actually to own slaves, so much as they need to keep the Negro from ever being free.

So, does this describe you, Kid?

[b]Werner Twertzog

In the infinite scale of time and space, it is as if you never existed. So, relax, why do you not?[/b]

Among other things, it just doesn’t work that way.

Do not bother about your legacy. You already are forgotten.

Not many here that doesn’t include.

Do not bring an alternative epistemology to a knife-fight.

Let alone an alternative teleology.

If you have wooden signs with sayings like “Eat, Pray, Love” on them, I shall exit your house immediately.

If not burn it to the ground.

Men do not climb mountains because “they are there.” They do so because life is meaningless.

In that case, that’s why they do everything.

Dear America: You are waking up, as Germany once did, to the awareness that 1/3 of your people would kill another 1/3, while 1/3 watches.

Which 1/3 are you?

[b]David Sedaris

Standing in a two-hour line makes people worry that they’re not living in a democratic nation.[/b]

To vote for example.

The things I’ve bought from strangers in the dark would curl your hair.

Just out of curiosity: Why would someone do that?

In the Netherlands now, I imagine it’s legal to marry your own children. Get them pregnant, and you can abort your unborn grandbabies in a free clinic that used to be a church.

Probably not true, right?

Faced with an exciting question, science tended to provide the dullest possible answer.

We’ll need examples, of course.

In New York I’d go to the movies three or four times a week. Here I’ve upped it to six or seven, mainly because I’m too lazy to do anything else. Fortunately, going to the movies seems to suddenly qualify as an intellectual accomplishment, on a par with reading a book or devoting time to serious thought. It’s not that the movies have gotten any more strenuous, it’s just that a lot of people are as lazy as I am, and together we’ve agreed to lower the bar.

Either that, or, out in Hollywood, bury it underground.

There are things you forget naturally—computer passwords, your father’s continuing relationship with life—and then there are things you can’t forget that you wish you could.

Hundreds of them by now.

[b]The Dead Author

Today’s Ebenezer Scrooges give to charity and celebrate Christmas with their employees in order to undermine support for the welfare state and weaken the distinction between work and leisure time.[/b]

All none of them.

By age 30, you should have realized that nobody cares which books you own, letting you read whatever you want and saving money for some quality tableware.

He means by age 20 of course.

Socrates walks into a bar, according to Plato.

Let’s try to imagine it [just once] the other way around.

A real introvert will always make you feel like you’re the boring one.

So, any particular reason why?

Sex is cool but have you ever thought of dying alone.

Talk about a non sequitur!

[b]Ladies, if he

lives with his parents
hates his job
blames his dad
is always sick
has a weird sense of humor
has been engaged three times
has a bad friend
writes unpublished fiction

you might be dating world-famous author Franz Kafka.[/b]

You know, if he’s still around.

[b]Elena Ferrante

I feel no nostalgia for our childhood: it was full of violence. Every sort of thing happened, at home and outside, every day, but I don’t recall having ever thought that the life we had there was particularly bad. Life was like that, that’s all, we grew up with the duty to make it difficult for others before they made it difficult for us.[/b]

Let’s measure our own childhood by this.

Every intense relationship between human beings is full of traps, and if you want it to endure you have to learn to avoid them. I did so then, and finally it seemed that I had only come up against yet another proof of how splendid and shadowy our friendship was, how long and complicated Lila’s suffering had been, how it still endured and would endure forever.

Let’s measure our own relationships by this.

Is it possible that even happy moments of pleasure never stand up to a rigorous examination?

Sure…if that’s where you want to take them.

Once, she closed the book abruptly and said with annoyance, That’s enough.
Why?
Because I’ve had it, it’s always the same story: inside something small there’s something even smaller that wants to leap out, and outside something large there’s always something larger that wants to keep it a prisoner.

Let’s come up with examples.

Not for you, Lila replies ardently, you’re my brilliant friend, you have to be the best of all.

In other words, to rise above Miss Oliviero’s “plebs”.

Become. It was a verb that had always obsessed me…I wanted to become, even though I had never known what. And I had become, that was certain, but without an object, without a real passion, without a determined ambition.

Join the crowd.

[b]Garry Kasparov

In 1987, Gorbachev said he wanted to build Alexander Dubček’s “socialism with a human face,” to which I responded that Frankenstein’s monster also had a human face. Communism goes against human nature and can only be sustained by totalitarian repression.[/b]

This is probably true. But there is no way in which to know for sure. And then there will always be the systemic horrors embedded in capitalism.

Putinism "the highest and final stage of bandit capitalism” and “the coup de grâce” to the head of the Russian nation.

Let’s run this by Trump of course.

One of the strengths, and weaknesses, of liberal democratic societies is giving the benefit of the doubt even to one’s enemies.

Not counting the Republicans.

In “Anatomy of Fascism,” Robert Paxton includes in his concise definition "the belief that one’s group is a victim, a sentiment that justifies any action, without legal or moral limits, against its enemies, both internal and external.”

Either a victim or the master race.

If the road to hell is paved with good intentions, compromises on principles are the street lights.

He means his priciples of course. After all, even the Commies can have the best of intentions.

The machines have finally come for the white collared, the college graduates, the decision makers. And it’s about time.

Having already thumped folks like him.

[b]José Saramago

Keep what is of no use at the moment, and later you will find what you need.[/b]

Anyone ever foolish enough to try that?

The church has never been asked to explain anything, our specialty, along with ballistics, has always been the neutralization of the overly curious mind through faith.

True, but why ballistics?

We are born, and at that moment, it is as if we had signed a pact for the rest of our life, but a day may come when we will ask ourselves ‘Who signed this on my behalf’?

Perhaps. But don’t actually expect an answer.

We all know, however, that the enormous weight of tradition, habit, and custom that occupies the greater part of our brain bears down pitilessly on the more brilliant and innovative ideas of which the remaining part is capable, and although it is true that, in some cases, this weight can balance the excesses and extravagances of the imagination that would lead us God knows where were they given free rein, it is equally true that it often has a way of subtly submitting what we believed to be our free will to unconscious tropisms, like a plant that does not know why it will always have to lean toward the side from which the light comes.

Perhaps. But don’t expect this to not be extremely complicated.

All the great sadnesses, great temptations, and great mistakes are almost always the result of being alone in life, without a prudent friend to advise us when we are troubled by something more serious than our normal everyday problems.

Oddly enough, he thought it was just the opposite.

…given the behaviour of human beings throughout the ages, they do not deserve life, with its many dark sides, in all its beauty, grandeur and magnificence…

Of course deserving has nothing to do with it.

[b]Valeria Luiselli

I’ve always thought that hell is the people you could one day become. The most frightening ones.[/b]

But not you right?

Perhaps learning to speak is realizing, little by little, that we can say nothing about anything.

Or [far more likely] something about some things.

But perhaps a person only has two real residences: the childhood home and the grave.

And you are either closer to one than to the other.

The person who walks too slowly could be plotting a crime or—even worse—might be a tourist.

He wondered why that should concern us.

Perhaps it’s right that words contain nothing, or almost nothing. That their content is, at the very least, variable.

You know where I’d take this.

Demented is the man who is always clenching his teeth on that solid, immutable block of stone that is the past.

And if that’s the only option?

[b]Barbara Kingsolver

…I stir in bed and the memories rise out of me like a buzz of flies from a carcass. I crave to be rid of them…[/b]

Not the least in those wee hours of the morning.

Love weighs nothing.

Hopefully, that’s still twice as much as hate.

I know how people are, with their habits of mind. Most will sail through from cradle to grave with a conscience clean as snow…I know people. Most have no earthly notion of the price of a snow-white conscience.

And not even all of them are assholes.

If the Lord hasn’t got a boyfriend lined up for me to marry, that’s His business.

Sure, but isn’t everything?

It’s terrible to lose somebody, but it’s also true that some people never have anybody to lose, and I think that’s got to be so much worse.

For some though, it’s much better. Not that you’d ever understand.

It’s the one thing we never quite get over: that we contain our own future.

And certainly our own death.

[b]Werner Twertzog

Do or do not. Both are meaningless.[/b]

Essentially for example.

By some mishap, I am your surgeon. Lie back, and let us make the best of it.

Based on a possibly true story.

Your conversation is very interesting, of course, but now I am going to stand on the far side of this room, alone.

Sure, use this yourself.

Formerly an enfant terrible, I have become an éminence grise.

Anyone the éminence grise here?

Everything old is new again. For example, nonexistence.

Of course that is never not around.

American Christmas, now, is about the awkward negotiation between capitalism and socialism; it is a relic of the Cold War that no longer has a coherent meaning. As we all know.

Well, now we all know.

[b]Pat Conroy

No story is a straight line. The geometry of a human life is too imperfect and complex, too distorted by the laughter of time and the bewildering intricacies of fate to admit the straight line into its system of laws.[/b]

Of course most stories are more like scribbles.

Do you think that Hemingway knew he was a writer at twenty years old? No, he did not. Or Fitzgerald, or Wolfe. This is a difficult concept to grasp. Hemingway didn’t know he was Ernest Hemingway when he was a young man. Faulkner didn’t know he was William Faulkner. But they had to take the first step. They had to call themselves writers. That is the first revolutionary act a writer has to make. It takes courage. But it’s necessary.

This sounds like complete bullshit but, sure, maybe not.

There is such a thing as too much beauty in a woman and it is often a burden as crippling as homeliness and far more dangerous. It takes much luck and integrity to survive the gift of perfect beauty, and its impermanence is its most cunning betrayal.

My guess: most women will risk it. Not unlike most men.

Here is all I ask of a book—give me everything.

Like this really has any meaning.

Anyone who knows me well must understand and be sympathetic to my genuine need to be my own greatest hero. It is not a flaw of character; it is a catastrophe.

Okay, but what does your own greatest hero actually do?

The only word for goodness is goodness, and it is not enough.

Let’s come up with a better one.

[b]God

Attention humanity:
In a bid to conserve energy, effective tomorrow, E will only equal mc.
Please make a note of it.[/b]

Let’s see if we notice any difference.

If you have faith, and if you believe in something hard enough, and deeply enough, and with all your heart, so what.

Well, at least He finally admits it.

The key to successful prayer is asking for something that was going to happen anyway.

Sure, that always worked for me.

These days I mostly just sit around and get high.

Let’s try to imagine it.

Admission to heaven is 90% determined by spelling and grammar.

I know: What the hell does that mean?!!

Anyone who says “God is love” is unfamiliar with My work.

Fortunately, He still works in mysterious ways.

[b]John Fowles from The Collector

I hate people who collect things and classify things and give them names and then forget all about them. That’s what people are always doing in art. They call a painter an impressionist or a cubist or something and then they put him in a drawer and don’t see him as a living individual painter any more.[/b]

My guess: It’s probably just human nature.

I am one in a row of specimens. It’s when I try to flutter out of line that he hates me. I’m meant to be dead, pinned, always the same, always beautiful. He knows that part of my beauty is being alive, but it’s the dead me he wants. He wants me living-but-dead.

Of course explaining it changes nothing.

He said, men are vile.
I said, the vilest thing about them is that they can say that with a smile on their faces.

No man that I’ve ever met. Except every once in a while me.

You don’t have any time for silly trivial things. You live seriously. You don’t go to silly films, even if you want to; you don’t read cheap newspapers; you don’t listen to trash on the wireless and the telly; you don’t waste time talking about nothing. You use your life.

My guess: You can take this too far.

…what you do blurs over what you did before.

Hell, even in the either/or world.

In my opinion a lot of people who may seem happy now would do what I did or similar things if they had the money and the time.

Of course not everyone can win the lottery. But point taken.

[b]Bernhard Schlink

There’s no need to talk about it, because the truth of what one says lies in what one does.[/b]

Just our luck, right?

It wasn’t that I forgot Hanna. But at a certain point the memory of her stopped accompanying me wherever I went. She stayed behind, the way a city stays behind as a train pulls out of the station. It’s there, somewhere behind you, and you could go back and make sure of it. But why should you?

Before or after the trial?

Now to escape involves not just running away, but arriving somewhere.

In other words, setting up your next escape.

[b]When we open ourselves
you yourself to me and I myself to you,
when we submerge
you into me and I into you
when we vanish
into me you and into you I

Then
I am me
and you are you.[/b]

For better or worse of course.

Does everyone feel this way? When I was young, I was perpetually overconfident or insecure. Either I felt completely useless, unattractive, and worthless, or that I was pretty much a success, and everything I did was bound to succeed. When I was confident, I could overcome the hardest challenges. But all it took was the smallest setback for me to be sure that I was utterly worthless. Regaining my self-confidence had nothing to do with success…whether I experienced it as a failure or triumph was utterly dependent on my mood.

Moods. They’re almost as mysterious as dreams.

I thought that if the right time gets missed, if one has refused or been refused something for too long, it’s too late, even if it is finally tackled with energy and received with joy. Or is there no such thing as “too late”? Is there only “late,” and is “late” always better than “never”? I don’t know.

I figure we’ll need a context of course. The part that stuff like this is almost always oblivious to.

[b]Viet Thanh Nguyen

Our society had been a kleptocracy of the highest order, the government doing its best to steal from the Americans, the average man doing his best to steal from the government, the worst of us doing our best to steal from each other.[/b]

Well, at least we’re civilized.

Ever since the first caveman discovered fire and decided that the ones still living in darkness were benighted, it’s been civilization against barbarism . . . with every age having its own barbarians.

The Kids, for example. And not just the ones here. Though them in particular.

I, for one, am a person who believes that the world would be a better place if the word “murder” made us mumble as much as the word “masturbation.”

Let’s keep track of that.

Those with hands cupped them for alms, those lacking in hands clenched the bill of a baseball cap in their teeth. Military amputees flapped empty sleeves like flightless birds, mute elderly beggars fixed cobra eyes on you, street urchins told tales taller than themselves about their pitiable conditions, young widows rocked colicky babies whom they might have rented, and assorted cripples displayed every imaginable, unappetizing illness known to man.

I know: That’s their problem.

He’s the best thing that could have happened to us, I said. And that was no lie. It was, instead, the best kind of truth, the one that meant at least two things.

Or more as needed.

Dare I admit it? Dare I confess? America, land of supermarkets and superhighways, of supersonic jets and Superman, of supercarriers and the Super Bowl! America, a country not content simply to give itself a name on its bloody birth, but one that insisted for the first time in history on a mysterious acronym, USA, a trifecta of letters outdone later only by the quartet of the USSR. Although every country thought itself superior in its own way, was there ever a country that coined so many “super” terms from the federal bank of its narcissism, was not only superconfident but also truly superpowerful, that would not be satisfied until it locked every nation of the world into a full nelson and made it cry Uncle Sam?

And don’t forget our super-duper president.