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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Thu Aug 09, 2018 6:18 pm

tiny nietzsche

when you can't see the forest for the suicides


That and where you can't see them.

drugs say no to me

And much to my chagrin.

if I had to fight any month, I'd fight august

That and the other eleven.

please don't pee in the gene pool

Let alone take a dump in it.

I can't believe the postmodernism I wore in high school still fits me

In other words, better than ever.

forming a nonreligious task force to remind people that they can fuck off

Anyone ever try that here?
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:19 pm

May Sarton

Most people have to talk so they won't hear.


Or write so they won't read.

The reasons for depression are not so interesting as the way one handles it, simply to stay alive.

Actually, don't play down the fucking reasons.

Don't deprive me of my age. I have earned it.

Feel free though to deprive me of mine.

We have to break the mirror to be ourselves...

Right, like there's not another one soon to follow.

For a long time, for years, I have carried in my mind the excruciating image of plants, bulbs, in a cellar, trying to grow without light, putting out white shoots that will inevitably wither.

Somehow we just know it's not only about plants.

Where joy in an old pencil is not absurd.

True, but how absurd is that.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:10 pm

Dorothy Parker

Constant use had not worn ragged the fabric of their friendship.


Me? I never even came close.

Now I know the things I know, and I do the things I do;
and if you do not like me so, to hell, my love, with you!


Needless to say, some can get away with this while others cannot.

If you wear a short enough skirt, the party will come to you.

Or, sure, wear nothing at all.

There's a hell of a distance between wise-cracking and wit. Wit has truth in it; wise-cracking is simply calisthenics with words.

Make a note of that, Kids.

It serves me right for putting all my eggs in one bastard.

Again and again and agin, for example.

I don't care what is written about me so long as it isn't true.

Either that or isn't false.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:27 pm

Angela Davis

You have to act as if it were possible to radically transform the world. And you have to do it all the time.


Or at least until it doesn't make much sense to.

Progressive art can assist people to learn not only about the objective forces at work in the society in which they live, but also about the intensity social character of their interior lives. Ultimately, it can propel people toward social emancipation.

On the other hand, cue the world today.

One of the reasons that so many people of color and poor people are in prison is that the deindustrialization of the economy has led to the creation of new economies and the expansion of some old ones – I have already mentioned the drug trade and the market for sexual services. At the same time, though, there are any number of communities that more than welcome prisons as a source of employment. Communities even compete with one another to be the site where new prisons will be constructed because prisons create a significant number of relatively good jobs for their residents.

Let's call it, say, the prison industrial complex. And that's before we get to all the fucking jails.

Everyone is familiar with the slogan "The personal is political" -- not only that what we experience on a personal level has profound political implications, but that our interior lives, our emotional lives are very much informed by ideology.

There's a cure for that of course: 1] pop culture 2] mass consumption and 3] the worship of celebrity. And, nowadays, not just 15 minutes at a time.

But there’s a message there for everyone and it is that people can unite, that democracy from below can challenge oligarchy, that imprisoned migrants can be freed, that fascism can be overcome, and that equality is emancipatory.

Of course it does compete with other messages.

I don't think we have any alternative other than remaining optimistic. Optimism is an absolute necessity, even if it's only optimism of the will, as Gramsci said, and pessimism of the intellect.

Gramsci. That's a name to take me back...
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:27 am

Philosophy Tweets

“The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory but progress.” Karl Popper


With the possible exception of out in the real world.

“While differing widely in the various little bits we know, in our infinite ignorance we are all equal.” Karl Popper

Right, like that will ever catch on.

“Those who promise us paradise on earth never produced anything but a hell.” Karl Popper

With the possible exception of "one of us".

“Silence is so accurate.” Mark Rothko

Like, say, a blank canvas.

“Life is not a matter of holding good cards, but of playing a poor hand well.” Robert Louis Stevenson

Of course it can never be a combination of both.

“Passions are likened best to floods and streams. The shallow murmur, but the deep are dumb.” Walter Raleigh

A double entendre if there ever one was.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:34 pm

Erica Jong

A person's not free if their freedom has to be "given".


Let alone "taken".

...and the trouble is, if you risk nothing, you risk even more...

My guess: Risk comes down to three things: 1] context 2] context and 3] context.

And what about ageing? Do men force the fear of ageing upon us -- or are we ourselves terrified because we only know one kind of power -- the power of youthful beauty?

It's even posssible [however remote] that both factors come into play.

In a sane world, love and sex would not divide by gender. We could love like and unlike beings, love them for a variety of reasons. The battered adjectives for homosexuality -- queer, lesbian, gay -- would disappear and we would only have people making love in different ways, with different body parts.

Or, as others insist, in an insane world.

Blush like you mean it.

You know, if that's an option.

You want to be a poet and not die.

You know, if that's an option.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sat Aug 11, 2018 10:36 pm

Nein

No, depression is no good. But disgust might have potential.


For example, mine for your point of view, yours for mine.

Call me a dreamer. But I’d like to think that with each passing day, our indifference grows more profound.

As in, say, human nature? Or are we back to the fucking memes?

You say you want a revolution.
But perhaps I could interest you in a weekend.


Or just settle for a drunken Saturday night.

A gentle reminder about the enemy of the people. It’s usually the people.

Like, for example, the dumb fucking masses in Trumpworld.

Weekends. The perfect time to stop. Take a moment. And give it as little thought as you can ethically allow.

In other words, not unlike the rest of the week.

ALT + RIGHT + DELETE

I tried that. Didn't work.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sat Aug 11, 2018 11:06 pm

John Fowles from The Magus

The battle was over. Our casualties were some thirteen thousand killed--thirteen thousand minds, memories, loves, sensations, worlds, universes---because the human mind is more a universe than the universe itself---and all for a few hundred yards of useless mud.


What, no weapons of mass destruction found?

One of the great fallacies of our time is that the Nazis rose to power because they imposed order on chaos. Precisely the opposite is true - they were successful because they imposed chaos on order. They tore up the commandments, they denied the super-ego, what you will. They said, "You may persecute the minority, you may kill, you may torture, you may couple and breed without love." They offered humanity all its great temptations. Nothing is true, everything is permitted.

Of course that was true only for those who pledged to be "one of us".

There comes a time in each life like a point of fulcrum. At that time you must accept yourself. It is not any more what you will become. It is what you are and always will be. You are too young to know this. You are still becoming. Not being.

One the other hand, the only fulcrum we can all count on here is death.

The bowed head, the buried face. She is silent, she will never speak, never forgive, never reach a hand, never leave this frozen present tense. All waits, suspended. Suspended the autumn trees, the autumn sky, anonymous people. A blackbird, poor fool, sings out of season from the willows by the lake. A flight of pigeons over the houses; fragments of freedom, hazard, an anagram made flesh. And somewhere the stinging smell of burning leaves.

You might even call this the end of the story.

Duty largely consists of pretending that the trivial is critical.

Cue the definitionists. You know the ones.

If a person is intelligent, then of course he is either an agnostic or an atheist. Just as he is a physical coward. They are automatic definitions of high intelligence.

Works for me. Well, if only subjectively.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sun Aug 12, 2018 6:06 pm

Seneca

He suffers more than necessary, who suffers before it is necessary.


Let's just say these things aren't always ours to control.

Until we have begun to go without them, we fail to realize how unnecessary many things are. We've been using them not because we needed them but because we had them.

Let's exchange lists.

Life is like a play: it's not the length, but the excellence of the acting that matters.

Then who is to really say what is not acting?

Wealth is the slave of a wise man. The master of a fool.

With absolutely no exceptions of course.

The sun also shines on the wicked.

Like it has a choice.

A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer's hand.

What a coincidence then. Same with a gun.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sun Aug 12, 2018 8:28 pm

Elena Epaneshnik

My ophthalmologist says that my high myopia allows me to see right through you.


Only because we let you.

I have a bad case of good intentions.

Cue the road to Hell.

...unfollows human nature...

Is that even possible?

Just so you know: Gedankenstrich – is my new favourite German word. I'm so obsessed with its logic and beauty that it makes me want to open my German books and start learning again. Leider habe ich keine Zeit. (Or something.)

I won't Google it if you don't.

Life teaches nothing. That's all one needs to know about life lessons.

Let's run this by Lionel Dobie.

In the beginning there was nothing. Then we lost it.

Trust me: You'll find it again.
Just not before I do.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Sun Aug 12, 2018 11:25 pm

Viet Thanh Nguyen

Nothing is ever so expensive as what is offered for free.


You'll attach your strings, I'll attach mine.

We don’t succeed or fail because of fortune or luck. We succeed because we understand the way the world works and what we have to do. We fail because others understand this better than we do.

Don't count fortune or luck out though.

If youth was not wasted, how could it be youth?

A trick question, right?

While it is better to be loved than hated, it is also far better to be hated than ignored.

Trust me: Not always.

As Hegel said, tragedy was not the conflict between right and wrong but right and right, a dilemma none of us who wanted participate in history could escape.

Wow, how familiar does that sound?

Remember, you're not half of anything, you're twice of everything.

How dumb is that, he thought.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:10 pm

Neil Gaiman

Nothing happened. Nothing continued to happen. More Nothing. The Return of Nothing. Son of Nothing. Nothing Rides Again. Nothing and Abbot and Costello meet the Wolfman...


Really, there's nothing quite like it.

We all have stories. Or perhaps it's because, as humans, we are already an assemblage of stories and the gulf that exists between us as people is that when we look at each other we might see faces, skin color, gender, race, or attitudes. But we don't see - we can't see the stories. And once we hear each other's stories, we realize the things we see as dividing us are all too often illusions; falsehoods. That the walls between us are, in truth, no thicker than scenery.

Of course this is just one more story.

Spider venom comes in many forms. It can often take a long while to discover the full effects of the bite. Naturalists have pondered this for years: there are spiders whose bite can cause the place bitten to rot and to die, sometimes more than a year after it was bitten. As to why spiders do this, the answer is simple. It's because spiders think this is funny, and they don't want you ever to forget them.

You never see this though on the National Geographic channel.

And because nobody's done it before, they haven't made up rules to stop anyone doing that again, yet.

Some new technology no doubt.

For the record, I don't expect you to believe any of this. Not really. I'm a liar by trade, after all; albeit, I like to think, an honest liar.

He'll need to cite some example of course.

You can always cheat an honest man, but it takes more work.

So, it better be worth it.
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Re: a thread for mundane ironists

Postby iambiguous » Tue Aug 14, 2018 12:10 am

Jan Mieszkowski

What could be worse than the memory of last Monday?
Camus: Last Monday.
Bataille: This Monday.
Kierkegaard: The realization that last Monday was a repeat of next Monday.


The philosophy of Mondays.
How about this one?


Metaphysics: What is it to know?
Epistemology: What can I know?
Phenomenology: What do I know?
Aesthetics: What do I want to know?
Ethics: What should I want to know?
Logic: No.


He means maybe of course.

Philosophy begins
Aristotle: in wonder
Kierkegaard: in a dream
Nietzsche: in a joke
Camus: in the grave


In the grave is certainly where philosophy will end for each one of us.
[if we're lucky some suggest]


Reasons to Despair
Russell: You can’t reconcile logic and mathematics
Husserl: Your theory of intuition isn’t intuitive
Heidegger: You’ve failed to pose the question of the meaning of the Being of beings
Beckett: You’re alive


Which one is least likely not to be true?

Logic: A = A
Ontology: A exists
Ethics: A is good
Epistemology: I know A
Psychology: I want A
Aesthetics: Isn't it time to replace A with B or C?


Or...
Logic: Z = Z
Ontology: Z exists
Ethics: Z is good
Epistemology: I know Z
Psychology: I want Z
Aesthetics: Isn't it time to replace Z with Y or X?


Deleuze: Something in the world forces us to think
Husserl: Something in the world forces us to think about something
Beckett: Something in the world forces us to think that the only something is nothing


Next up: Nothing in the world.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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