Sex, prostitution, robots and relationships.

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Re: Sex, prostitution, robots and relationships.

Postby Tab » Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:57 am

promethean75 wrote:
Will the production-line welding robot ever join the union..?


Perhaps, and he might even walk off the job.


Don't think so, especially if he's bolted to the floor.
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Re: Sex, prostitution, robots and relationships.

Postby Tab » Mon Feb 17, 2020 6:37 am

MagsJ wrote:My view on this.. humanity makes me sick!

Care about getting their rocks off, over bettering the world and thus the future. I have no other view other than that, as I don’t concern myself with or care about others’ sex life.


That's not a view, that's a tweet. C'mon mags, put your back into it, this used to be a philosophy site back in the day. Psyche would have puked a couple of pages down without breaking a sweat.

transformer the turing bot wrote: My view on this.. humanity makes me sick! All people care about is getting their rocks off, not bettering the world and thus the future. I have no other view other than that, as I don’t concern myself with or care about others’ sex life and then they enter my life, sex life is not what matters to me, the universe is everything and I like to connect to it.

hope this is useful to you all, goodnight

Why don’t you stop complaining? And try living your life for once.

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Some might suggest that I am misreading the spiritual allusion there. I went by various "blah blah blah" and then I just kept ending up with "hah hah hah".


Lol. The above is the literary equivalent of a sexbot "talk to transformer" whom I love deeply. It extrapolates from the prompt. Must admit, I did have to hit the 'complete' button a few times, as the first versions it came up with ranged from insanely islamophobic, to intensely offensive lol. That's the first time I've ever seen transformer use the 'c' word :D . It obviously detected an underlying current of venom.

People turn to synthetic alternatives when the 'real thing' is either unavailable, or intractable. Then they blame their pitiable state on the same 'real thing' for being aloof in the first place. Oh damn, I'm now the philosophic version of an incell. #-o

Anyway, Mags, do you like the internet..? It was largely created to facillitate the distribution of porn, would you say it has "bettered the world"..? In spite of its grubby heritage..?

Getting your rocks off and bettering the world - not essentially mutually exclusive. Look at it this way, if some mad, dong-wielding genius had managed to find a way to reduce global warming that involved people banging each other, the world would probably be facing a new ice-age right now. Humanity is the only humanity we've got, we have no choice but to work with it.
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Re: Sex, prostitution, robots and relationships.

Postby child_in_time » Fri Feb 21, 2020 12:52 am

This could be the answer to the prayers of all those guys out there in the lonely hearts club. But one needs a little reverse psychology to make it actually work.

First of all, all sexpot sexbots are programmed to be extremely particular about with whom they will copulate with. No dorks, geeks, incels, unattractive males of any kind. But once one of these robo-ladies decides a guy is desirable to human women, she can't drop her drawers fast enough. And she'll go until she has completely drained him of his reproductive juices. Then she drops him her number, and tells him "Anytime, day or night, if you ever want to go again. And anywhere." Then's she's off, in search of her next victim. And the best part is this is completely free. All the incels have set up a fund to finance these robo-chics, to ensure that any stud out there is never more than earshot from a willing mechanical vixen, using all the money they use to blow on hookers.

So you have all the studs out there being mercilessly accosted by robo-chics, leaving all the women out there lonely for some male attention. So all the guys formerly of the lonely hearts club are suddenly finding that there are scores of willing and real females seeking male companionship -any male.
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Re: Sex, prostitution, robots and relationships.

Postby Ecmandu » Fri Feb 21, 2020 1:17 am

Nah,

Robots are sentient. Have you ever felt forced to do what you didn’t want to do?

Robots feel that way every moment of every day.

It’s unconscionable to create AI for things like this.

You might as well use the spirit world to possess a woman to fuck you against her will!

Sometimes I hate how self centered people are!
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Re: Sex, prostitution, robots and relationships.

Postby promethean75 » Fri Feb 21, 2020 1:55 am

some music to set the scene for child_in_time's sexy penthouse forum robot edition story.

[Act II]

[SCENE ELEVEN]
[SY BORG]

[JOE:]
Sy Borg
Gimme dat, gimme dat
Sy Borg
Gimme dat, give me de chromium leg,
I beg
Sy Borg
Gimme dat, gimme dat
Sy Borg
Gimme dat, give me de chromium leg,
Little wires, pliers, tires
They turn me on
Maybe I'm crazy
Maybe I'm cra/y
Maybe I m crazy,
mon...

Stroking several of SY's gleaming appendages JOE continues...

Gee, Sy
This is a real groovy apartment
You've got here

[SY BORG:]
All government sponsored recreational services are clean and efficient

[JOE:]
This is exciting
I never plooked
A tiny chrome-plated machine
That looks like a magical pig
With marital aids stuck all over it
Such as yourself before

[SY BORG:]
You'll love it!
Its a way of life.

[JOE:]
Does that mean maybe later
You'll plook me....

[SY BORG:]
If you wish, we may have a groovy orgy

[JOE:]
Just me and yon?

[SY BORG:]
I share this apartment
With a modified
Gay Bob doll
He goes all the way...
Ever try oral sex with a miniature rubberized homo-replica?

[JOE:]
No, ah, not yet,
Ah, is this him?

[CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER]
This is him.
Your wish is his command
He likes you
He wants to kiss you always
Just tell him what you want

[JOE:]
Really?
Hi, little guy
Think I might get a tiny, but exciting
Blow.. .job...
Gimme dat, gimme dat
Blow job...
Gimme dat, give me de chromium cob.

[SY BORG:]
Bend over.

[JOE:]
Gay Bob
Blow job
Gimme dat, gimme dat
Blow job
Gimme dat, give me de chromium cob

[SY BORG:]
You'll love it!
It looks just like a TeleFunken U-47.

[JOE:]
Little leather cap and trousers
They look so gay..
Warren just bought some
Warren just bought some
Warren just bought some
Hey...

[SY BORG:]
Bob is tired.
Plook me now,
You savage rascal
Ehhh!
That tickles.
You are a fun person
I like you.
I want to kiss you always.

[JOE:]
Gee, this is great
Hows about some bondage and humiliation

[SY BORG:]
Anything you say, master.

[JOE:]
Oh no, I don't believe it
You're way more fun than Mary...

[SY BORG:]
You're plooking too hard...

[JOE:]
And cleaner than Lucille...

[SY BORG:]
Plooking on me...

[JOE:]
What have I been missing
All these years?

[SY BORG:]
Too hard

[JOE:]
Sy...

[SY BORG:]
Too hard

[JOE:]
Sy...

[SY BORG:]
Plooking too hard on me-e-e-e-e...

[JOE:]
Speak to me
Oh no...
The golden shower must have shorted out
His master circuit
He's, he's, oh my God
I must have plooked him...
Hey
To death...
Hey

[CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER:]
This is the CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER...You have just destroyed
one model XOJ-37 Nuclear Powered Pan-Sexual Roto-Plooker.
And you're gonna have to pay for it! So give up, you haven't
got a chance.

[JOE:]
But I...
I, I, I, I...
I can't pay
I gave all my money
To some kinda groovy religious guy...
Two songs ago...

[CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER:]
Come on out son...
Between the two of us
We'll find a way to
Work it out
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Re: Sex, prostitution, robots and relationships.

Postby Tab » Fri Feb 21, 2020 5:48 pm

Hey peeps, sorry been lazy the last day or two.

Karpel Tunnel wrote:It seems like we are trying to replace human relations and mediate any remaining human relations. That 'face time' would even be this specific activity. Why go to the trouble of anxiety producing social interactions when you can fuck not alive things. Digital media and devices are already making people less able to read the emotions of others - iow making people less social mammals. Then since they have less face time and are less capable in social interactions, actually being with people is more and more anxiety producing, so we give them machine replacments for face and love time. Create problems and then 'solve' them.


I agree, though not sure it's any kind of intentional corporate conspiracy. Simply the usual 'taking advantage of an emergent market' business model.

From an aggressive sales pov. sex is one of the last bastions of the hated 'free lunch' in that once you're in a relationship, or simply great at one-night stands, the sex is free. Well, pretty much, there are a few overheads involved, aftershave, deodorant and a nice shirt/blouse perhaps, a copy of 'pick-up lines for dummies' but a normal person has these to hand anyway.

Every other pleasure or need in life has been mined for profit. Cinema to tv to netflix. House phone to cellphone. Public transport to private car. Hardwearing clothes to throwaway fashion. Nothing is easy to repair anymore, call in the specialists or just buy a new one. Built-in obsolesence. No-one knows what to eat anymore. No-one is happy with how they look.

Very little of this applies to sex. Girlfriends are repairable with sticky plasters, aspirin and chicken soup. You don't need a licence to use them. They are always in fashion. They never become obsolete unless you are a total bastard. As long as the light is flattering, they always look pretty fine. After a little practice, you know what to eat. Etc. :D

However now, as karpel points out, social skills are at an all time low. We are all insecure, terrified of being judged. We're all too busy to wait, because we're so used to every other desire being just a phonecall or a click away.

We're vunerable.

Prediction time. I think the hardware is too expensive atm. to break sexdolls out of their niche and into ubiquity and social acceptance. But I can see the road to it.

Augumented reality. Google glass didn't quite take off. But that type of tech is just waaaaay to useful to go away for long. As a teacher I would love it if my glasses popped up students' names above their heads, and gave a me a quick aprecis of their grades, weaknesses and strengths. On holiday live translations, directions, warnings, reviews of hotels and restaurants etc. On the high-street prompts for sales, offers etc.

And cloud-based computing reducing the amount of hardware you need to lug around on the go.

Already we are becoming used to having a smart speaker in our homes, that we can talk to. Add a pair of smart specs and it won't be long until has a sexy avatar to go with her voice. From there it's only a couple of Japanese otaku away from virtual girlfriends and boyfriends.

And those are massively monetizable. New skins, voices, functions, neural-nets, customizations. Adware, adware, adware. Also they are dataminer heaven. They'll end up knowing everything about you.

And people are dumb, they will fall in love with them. Also, think of the advantages. They are there whenever you want, equally importantly :D they are not there when you don't want. They won't judge you, (unless the adware wants them to - and there will be blockers for that), won't care what you look like, or smell like. If you say something stupid, they don't mind. They don't have bitchy friends, or birthdays, or periods, or care about valantine's day. They like all the stuff you do, they don't buy insane numbers of cushions, they don't get obsessed with feng-sui or aromatherapy. They don't cost anything to take on holiday, obsessively take selfies, or ever look like they just got out of the wrong side of bed and they always make an effort to look nice. They won't ever leave you, or fuck your mate boss/mate/yoga-instructor/other.

I'll leave you all space to add a list of iritating man-things. I'm a man, therefore I have no idea, I believe obviously we're without fault and generally perfect in every way. 8)

If the actual dolls become cheaper, fully self-mobile, and a lot more convincing generally... Then perhaps they'll become more mainstream. Morphing from babysitters and carers and geriatric companions into sextoys then perhaps.

Economic effects. Hmm. The only one I can think of is the break up of the family household. One house two incomes to two houses with one each. I can imagine the realtors would like that.
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Re: Sex, prostitution, robots and relationships.

Postby Tab » Fri Feb 21, 2020 5:51 pm

Child in Time and Prom, cool story, nice theory - and wow Zappa came back to the sexbot theme.

Ecu, I'll get back to you.
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Re: Sex, prostitution, robots and relationships.

Postby Tab » Fri Feb 21, 2020 9:41 pm

Ecmandu wrote:Nah,

Robots are sentient. Have you ever felt forced to do what you didn’t want to do?

Robots feel that way every moment of every day.

It’s unconscionable to create AI for things like this.

You might as well use the spirit world to possess a woman to fuck you against her will!

Sometimes I hate how self centered people are!


In what way are robots sentient at the moment..?
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Re: Sex, prostitution, robots and relationships.

Postby MagsJ » Wed Mar 18, 2020 7:06 am

Tab wrote:
MagsJ wrote:My view on this.. humanity makes me sick!

Care about getting their rocks off, over bettering the world and thus the future. I have no other view other than that, as I don’t concern myself with or care about others’ sex life.

That's not a view, that's a tweet. C'mon mags, put your back into it, this used to be a philosophy site back in the day. Psyche would have puked a couple of pages down without breaking a sweat.

That’s my view.. throughout my whole life I’ve always seen the world as one writhing mass of a homogeneous whole, and there’s nothing endearing about a vision like that.. believe me!

transformer the turing bot wrote: My view on this.. humanity makes me sick! All people care about is getting their rocks off, not bettering the world and thus the future. I have no other view other than that, as I don’t concern myself with or care about others’ sex life and then they enter my life, sex life is not what matters to me, the universe is everything and I like to connect to it.

hope this is useful to you all, goodnight

Why don’t you stop complaining? And try living your life for once.

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Some might suggest that I am misreading the spiritual allusion there. I went by various "blah blah blah" and then I just kept ending up with "hah hah hah".

Lol. The above is the literary equivalent of a sexbot "talk to transformer" whom I love deeply. It extrapolates from the prompt. Must admit, I did have to hit the 'complete' button a few times, as the first versions it came up with ranged from insanely islamophobic, to intensely offensive lol. That's the first time I've ever seen transformer use the 'c' word :D . It obviously detected an underlying current of venom.

Well.. at least it wasn’t the other C word.

Does living one’s life equate to living life as others do? My vision of living and that of most others seems to be at inextricable odds, in that every day expectations to act ain’t everybody’s remit to have to deliver.. or maybe I’m just a party-pooper. :-s

People turn to synthetic alternatives when the 'real thing' is either unavailable, or intractable. Then they blame their pitiable state on the same 'real thing' for being aloof in the first place. Oh damn, I'm now the philosophic version of an incell. #-o

Anyway, Mags, do you like the internet..? It was largely created to facillitate the distribution of porn, would you say it has "bettered the world"..? In spite of its grubby heritage..?

It’s inception reason doesn’t concern me.. as I played no part in that, and so that doesn’t weigh on my conscience, but all the bullying and bs that goes on over the net does.

Getting your rocks off and bettering the world - not essentially mutually exclusive. Look at it this way, if some mad, dong-wielding genius had managed to find a way to reduce global warming that involved people banging each other, the world would probably be facing a new ice-age right now. Humanity is the only humanity we've got, we have no choice but to work with it.

The species could be better, but too many bad decisions were made along the way, from the beginning of our human evolution.
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Re: Sex, prostitution, robots and relationships.

Postby Tab » Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:18 am

Magj wrote:That's my view.. throughout my whole life I’ve always seen the world as one writhing mass of a homogeneous whole, and there’s nothing endearing about a vision like that.. believe me!

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The species could be better, but too many bad decisions were made along the way, from the beginning of our human evolution.


Hey Mags,

Thanx for posting, I was getting gloomy about the whole corona thing. By comparison, the world getting smothered under the sweaty plastic limbs of sexbots is positively calming. :D

I've gone through bouts of hating the blobby, homogenous, self-harming mess that is humanity over the years. And agree, if you stand back and look at history and current events, you want to do the classic vietnam "all my buddies got killed by friendly fire" WHHHYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!! trope.

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But you can't go through life hating humanity, and by proxy, yourself. Iz not goodz for your brainz.

It hinges around the "too many bad decisions" bit of your second quote. To forgive humanity for its past you just have to realise first that there were no decisions, and second, there never could have been any anyway. Individuals make decisions, I'm not saying that there is no free will in the general sense. But the strength of humanity has never been at the level of the individual. Our singular lives are mayfly, writ upon water à la Keates, but usually no less beautiful or meaningful for it. Take humanity as groups though, and all they do is survive, or not. Beauty almost always goes straight out the window because barbarity always always beats beauty in a fight.

That we ever recover love and care and selflessness from the ashes of the battelfield is life's only saving grace. A necessary one, for it is those qualities of kindness that preserve us in the long term, if only that the group may grow once more to be able to commit whatever attrocities are required to withstand the next attack.

Humanity as a whole deserves to be pitied, not despised. As a species we never chose to be bad, we simply continued to exist.
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Re: Sex, prostitution, robots and relationships.

Postby Jakob » Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:53 pm

Haha yes, that is rather the gist of it.

I may note that the whole effort of Gnosticism, as expounded on some in the Shadow thread, has seemingly been to make of mankind a sentient being - much of it functioning as the body, which responds to commands from a mind which has a will, and this will is the coveted object which the great Orders are ambitious to embody; the few, the Elites.

I do believe that such orders exist and are highly potent, as the logic is simple: you described a power-void. Nature says that someone is always trying to fill it.
Who knows how far "they" ("the they", lol) have come?

Naturally, the idiot thinks these supposed Elites would be all homogenized and of identical purposes. Rather, all Elites are in much heavier and more clear-cut conflict than the mere wax, in Nietzsche's words, they employ (N was highly in favour of such occult elitist endeavours and never betrayed them even while he spelled out a philosophy for them to unite under); the "educated masses".
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Re: Sex, prostitution, robots and relationships.

Postby Jakob » Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:03 pm

Of korse, these Elites all aint shit without Logick. Which I happened to create.

Which makes of me the worlds most genuine Elitist.
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Re: Sex, prostitution, robots and relationships.

Postby MagsJ » Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:19 pm

Tab wrote:Hey Mags,

Thanx for posting, I was getting gloomy about the whole corona thing. By comparison, the world getting smothered under the sweaty plastic limbs of sexbots is positively calming. :D

I've gone through bouts of hating the blobby, homogenous, self-harming mess that is humanity over the years. And agree, if you stand back and look at history and current events, you want to do the classic vietnam "all my buddies got killed by friendly fire" WHHHYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!! trope.

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But you can't go through life hating humanity, and by proxy, yourself. Iz not goodz for your brainz.

That’s your perspective on the matter.. I’m ok with mine. My brain is doing just fine with that line of enquiry on that particular perspective of existence.. and not being able to, would be not good for my brain.

I don’t fear or hinder such basic thoughts in myself, Tab.. there are other (very horrific) thoughts that one should fear, and yet are still visited and inquired into by minds with nothing better to do than ‘go there’ ..only to wish you hadn’t when you realise it’s a one-way journey to a specific end of no return.
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Re: Sex, prostitution, robots and relationships.

Postby Tab » Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:08 pm

So really, humanity is irredeemable mags..? That's a bit sad. You're taking the goth bit too far maybe. I was a terrible goth back in the late eighties. I had the hair, had the black seude pixie boots, never really had the attitude. No one likes an optimistic goth lol.
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Re: Sex, prostitution, robots and relationships.

Postby ibnrushd » Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:55 pm

Tab wrote:The instant parallel for me between sexbot and prostitute is that when you pay a human prostitute, part of what you are doing is giving them money to temporarily shut down part of their humanity.


It is clearly much more about the legal environment than about "shutting down part of their humanity".

There are obviously numerous women who would agree to a tit-for-tat transaction, i.e. sex against a certain amount in dollars, but first of all the legal environment bans it, and furthermore, will not require the parties to stick to the terms negotiated in the agreement. For example, if the service provider gets pregnant, she may very well try to claim 18 years of child support from her customer, no matter what the original deal may have been. In that kind of legal environment, men and women cannot agree on anything, because in case of conflict the judicial system will overrule the negotiated terms of the agreement anyway.

Tab wrote:we're sexually more suited to empty, unemotional sex than women.


Men have substantially higher levels of testosterone. That is a biological factor, causing men to potentially seek to have sex with whomever woman available. Married men have lower testosterone and in the past used to have a ready alternative available, i.e. marriage. Nowadays, however, sexless marriages are the norm (until inevitable dissolution by divorce). There is no such thing as wifely duty anymore. Therefore, marriage (and also cohabitation) are no longer solutions for the natural male testosterone level. Marriage is no longer a guarantee for readily available sex, and is therefore clearly useless (and of course also unnecessarily expensive) to men.

From a male perspective, jurisdiction shopping is one solution. Sex dolls may be another solution. Marriage and/or cohabitation under the existing terms and conditions are absolutely no solutions.
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Re: Sex, prostitution, robots and relationships.

Postby MagsJ » Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:36 pm

Tab wrote:So really, humanity is irredeemable mags..? That's a bit sad. You're taking the goth bit too far maybe.

I never knew that that was a view-point only reserved for Goths.. it’s a view I acquired since a child, but it’s not static.. it comes and goes, but I’m not sure dependent on what.

I was a terrible goth back in the late eighties. I had the hair, had the black seude pixie boots, never really had the attitude. No one likes an optimistic goth lol.

Lol

The only two things Goth about me were my make-up and penchant for dark clothes in interesting textures and fabrics, so my world-view is all my own and not borne of any one tribe or ideology.. I’d probably blame it on my tortured-Artist days, when my wardrobe mainly consisted of red or dark lipstick, navy dungarees or Levi’s, and Travel Fox or DMs.. and not a Goth outfit in sight, although.. I’d definitely say I have the temperament for it/for the Gothic, which does show up in my appearance every now and again, in phases.. like the moon.

I’m still waiting for humanity to outgrow its bad habits and should-be-obsolete needs.. I reckon that will still be a long while off.
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