Dimethyltryptamine and psychedelics

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Re: Dimethyltryptamine and psychedelics

Postby barbarianhorde » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:28 pm

Im not with the ones who see the light with lsd or with any drug. The light is pretty obvious out there in the Big Dipper, the Pleiades, Sirius... these deep-light pools in the sky. Where light is somehow fresher than anywhere else.

Psychedelics don't show you astronomical gamma tracings though, they show you your own physiology.

And if your physiology is such that it sees not the light but the dank alone, then a quick derangement may produce a natural perception of the Light, and one shall be redeemed. If one manages to not become addicted to substances and rather ride out the conflict of the habitual corpse of Saturn and the new born Dionysus. As this no drug will tell you - the prize is not in the awareness of the light but in the same things life was always about in the first place. What the light grants is a true enjoyment of them, a bit of eternity in every act of nourishment or replenishment, - the awareness of karma as translation into chi, the occult.
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Re: Dimethyltryptamine and psychedelics

Postby Artimas » Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:02 pm

barbarianhorde wrote:Its quite simple, Pandora -
in order to see how the mind works, you have to see how it errs. LSD and other psychedelics show you what happens when the mind is deranged.
They do so in specific ways. LSD is a non emotional observation of different shortcircuits between senses and cortexes. Its absolutely dangerous, but that is warranted when a culture stagnates, because this stagnation is very much more dangerous, it is what causes genocides and pestilences. You know this Im sure.
Psychedelics are a key to grease the wheels of hell, if you know what I mean,
They too have to turn. Otherwise society becomes stuck in that precise bit you don't want to get stuck in.

So, Athens has its ways with them as well as any old culture that is worth remembering.
If it is not used to ends like these and used for personal entertainment, debasement is pretty much certain.

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Couldn’t agree more.

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Re: Dimethyltryptamine and psychedelics

Postby Pandora » Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:49 pm

Artimas wrote:Except objective reality was caused by the subconscious/unconscious. A series of reactions of which instinct plays a role. Which the subconscious is a another stepping stone.... it’s even observable in micro single cell biology. If two things mix and it’s a reaction through nature then that shows that nature is instinctual/subconscious. Everything is energy and responds.

If energy slows its vibration by reaction or from a cause and makes a gas which gasses form other things from reactions, eventually leading to life or consciousness then that should tell you that the unconscious/consciousness is from the beginning. A mineral/gas can’t feel, but they may react but it has no concept of time. If something reacts, is that not a form of unconscious or an instinct? Stimuli leads to more stimuli which creates complex life.

Since the unconscious do not have a perception/differentiation of or between time then there is no matter of it being “how long”, it happens and that’s that. It is what it is.
You don’t needs drugs to understand evolution and the process of increasing complexity, so the real motive may lie elsewhere. What you are trying to do is regress and then put emphasis on that lower state as a superior one. This is also a common element in many spiritual and religious circles, a returning back to lower state, like downgrading to previous operating version. (And LSD experience does mimic undeveloped brain) So, okay, we were all babies at one point, does it mean a baby’s brain is superior? To me, that’s what you’re saying, and the same thing that many religions are also saying. Wanting to be like a baby and see the world as a baby does. (This is your conclusion). Reaching out to drugs betrays your motives.

in order to see how the mind works, you have to see how it errs. LSD and other psychedelics show you what happens when the mind is deranged...+ stuff about society
. Your methods are flawed. By (literally) drugging the population you would enable others to have more control. It may lead to peace, yes, but in the form of slavery.
Is this what you want? If you want this, then you also want NWO.
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Also, there is a fine line between courage and stupidity. I see people do all kinds of stupid stuff, like jumping from building to building or taking selfies at the top of buildings, or having wild animals as pets, or eating tide pods, etc., thinking they are being cool or courageous, when it’s just plain stupidity, as far as I’m concerned. If you think self-mutilation is being courageous, or something spiritual, then go ahead. You won’t be the first one. Or the last.
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Re: Dimethyltryptamine and psychedelics

Postby Artimas » Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:44 pm

Pandora wrote:
Artimas wrote:Except objective reality was caused by the subconscious/unconscious. A series of reactions of which instinct plays a role. Which the subconscious is a another stepping stone.... it’s even observable in micro single cell biology. If two things mix and it’s a reaction through nature then that shows that nature is instinctual/subconscious. Everything is energy and responds.

If energy slows its vibration by reaction or from a cause and makes a gas which gasses form other things from reactions, eventually leading to life or consciousness then that should tell you that the unconscious/consciousness is from the beginning. A mineral/gas can’t feel, but they may react but it has no concept of time. If something reacts, is that not a form of unconscious or an instinct? Stimuli leads to more stimuli which creates complex life.

Since the unconscious do not have a perception/differentiation of or between time then there is no matter of it being “how long”, it happens and that’s that. It is what it is.
You don’t needs drugs to understand evolution and the process of increasing complexity, so the real motive may lie elsewhere. What you are trying to do is regress and then put emphasis on that lower state as a superior one. This is also a common element in many spiritual and religious circles, a returning back to lower state, like downgrading to previous operating version. (And LSD experience does mimic undeveloped brain) So, okay, we were all babies at one point, does it mean a baby’s brain is superior? To me, that’s what you’re saying, and the same thing that many religions are also saying. Wanting to be like a baby and see the world as a baby does. (This is your conclusion). Reaching out to drugs betrays your motives.

in order to see how the mind works, you have to see how it errs. LSD and other psychedelics show you what happens when the mind is deranged...+ stuff about society
. Your methods are flawed. By (literally) drugging the population you would enable others to have more control. It may lead to peace, yes, but in the form of slavery.
Is this what you want? If you want this, then you also want NWO.
https://icebreakerideas.com/wp-content/ ... 63x375.jpg

Also, there is a fine line between courage and stupidity. I see people do all kinds of stupid stuff, like jumping from building to building or taking selfies at the top of buildings, or having wild animals as pets, or eating tide pods, etc., thinking they are being cool or courageous, when it’s just plain stupidity, as far as I’m concerned. If you think self-mutilation is being courageous, or something spiritual, then go ahead. You won’t be the first one. Or the last.



Don’t talk about self mutilation when the very air we breathe, kills us.

Life is based off of things “killing” us, which psychedelics do not do.

We’re drugs that consume other drugs to expand further. I don’t see how that’s hard to admit. Good and bad in everything, you’re just being the extreme side of another extreme side, which I plan to stay in the middle.

Even nothing, is something.
If one is to live balanced with expectations, then one must learn to appreciate the negative as well, to respect darkness in its own home.

All smoke fades, as do all delicate mirrors shatter.

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Re: Dimethyltryptamine and psychedelics

Postby Silhouette » Sat Apr 20, 2019 12:18 am

Speaking of "your methods are flawed", Pandora's own understanding is one-dimensional.

Superiority and inferiority need to apply to a specific measure - e.g. the question "who is the most superior human?" is close to meaningless. There are things that adults do better than babies, but the reverse is also true - as much as we gain with age, so much is lost. Imagine being able to get some of it back to complement the benefits you've gained with age. So even if we do accept the daily mail's premise (great source by the way, that paper is biased to the point of absurdity) that LSD mimics the undeveloped brain, we see that there can be something to gain as soon as we see things in more than one dimension. Only when thinking in such narrow terms can drug-taking be thought of as self-mutilation... It's like saying taking Penicillin to cure a bacterial infection is self-mutilation because it's derived from fungus, and fungi like mold grow when living things rot.

On the subject of "drugging the population", or allowing them to try psychedelic drugs legally in non-hysterical terms, it's much more likely for the ones who do experiment to gain control. If any retreat into them as a psychological crutch, they are more likely to be controllable, sure - but I don't think anybody's advocating that. The mindset of those against drugs is such a perfect example of why drug experience is important, it's so ironic that people with this mindset are so dead-set against the very thing that would so neatly enable them to see past it.
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Re: Dimethyltryptamine and psychedelics

Postby barbarianhorde » Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:34 pm

Yeah technically we are just ongoing chemical experiments.

There is nothing chemical that should be illegal just for it being a chemical that has a reaction it causes.
Maybe doing certain things under the influence of this reaction should definitely be prohibited.

I remember one person killing himself in a store I was in by jumping on top of a mother with a baby carriage from the third floor of the galleria. Fuxck.
He was probably on prolix.
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Re: Dimethyltryptamine and psychedelics

Postby Artimas » Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:51 am

barbarianhorde wrote:Yeah technically we are just ongoing chemical experiments.

There is nothing chemical that should be illegal just for it being a chemical that has a reaction it causes.
Maybe doing certain things under the influence of this reaction should definitely be prohibited.

I remember one person killing himself in a store I was in by jumping on top of a mother with a baby carriage from the third floor of the galleria. Fuxck.
He was probably on prolix.


In more ways than one as well, in the form of inter-relating forms of energy/matter.

Even nothing, is something.
If one is to live balanced with expectations, then one must learn to appreciate the negative as well, to respect darkness in its own home.

All smoke fades, as do all delicate mirrors shatter.

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Re: Dimethyltryptamine and psychedelics

Postby Artimas » Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:38 pm

With the legalization of mushrooms in Denver, Oakland in california fired back.

Oakland Votes Unanimously to Decriminalize Psychoactive Plants Like Ayahuasca, Peyote and Hallucinogenic Mushrooms


Oakland City Council voted Tuesday to become the first U.S. city to decriminalize the adult use and possession of psychoactive plants like ayahuasca and peyote, and the second to make the same move for hallucinogenic mushrooms.

The resolution makes the adult use and possession of all entheogenic, or psychoactive, plants and fungi the lowest priority for police. That means, along with psilocybin mushrooms, it applies to cacti like peyote, the shrub iboga that has been used to treat opioid dependence and a variety of plants used to brew ayahuasca, among other things.

Denver voters in May approved a measure to decriminalize psilocybin mushrooms for people 21 and older.

Supporters say entheogenic plants have been used to treat depression, anxiety and post-traumatic stress disorder.

“Entheogenic plants and fungi are tremendous for helping to enable healing, particularly for folks who have experienced trauma in their lives,” said Carlos Plazola, chair of the advocacy group Decriminalize Nature Oakland. “These plants are being recommended pretty extensively undercover, underground, by doctors and therapists.”

Oakland’s proposed resolution would make the investigation and arrest of adults who grow, possess, use or distribute entheogenic plants, including magic mushrooms, ayahuasca and peyote, one of the lowest priorities for police. No city funds could be used to enforce laws criminalizing the substances, and the Alameda County District Attorney would stop prosecuting people who have been apprehended for use or possession.

In the last five years, Oakland police have recorded 19 cases of suspected psilocybin mushrooms being submitted to the department’s crime lab, according to testimony from a police official at the council’s public safety committee meeting last Tuesday. The official did not have data available for other plants.

Councilmember Noel Gallo, who introduced the resolution, said decriminalizing such plants would enable Oakland police to focus on serious crime.

Alameda County Deputy District Attorney Teresa Drenick declined to comment.

Still, magic mushrooms would remain illegal under both federal and state laws. Entheogenic substances are considered Schedule 1 drugs under the federal Controlled Substances Act, which categorizes drugs that have potential for abuse and no medical value.

Skeptics have expressed qualms about the resolution, including Councilmember Loren Taylor, who said it’s important that law enforcement and other community leaders are included in any talks to think through “all possible implications” of the resolution.

“It is something that is valuable in certain settings,” Taylor said at last week’s committee meeting. “It’s a matter of how we deploy it and how we ensure it’s not something that (with) our kids becomes a fad.”

To address such concerns, Gallo said, lawmakers would have to establish rules and regulations about the use of such substances, including what exactly can be used, how to use them and what associated risks are.

Entheogenic plants have long been used in religious and cultural contexts. Gallo remembers his grandmother treating his family members with plants, including entheogenic ones, for a variety of ailments.

“Growing up in the Mexican community, this was our cure,” Gallo said. Hemp oils, mushrooms and yerba buenas — an aromatic plant known for its medicinal properties — “that was our Walgreens. We didn’t have a Walgreens. We didn’t have a way to pay for any drugs. These are plants we have known for thousands of years in our community and that we continue to use.”

Julie Megler, a psychiatric nurse practitioner who spoke in support of the proposal at last week’s meeting, said it could also help people who lack the funds for traditional prescription drugs.

“I believe that the medical model is important, but is limited in the number of people that can access its care,” she said.

Another supporter with Decriminalize Oakland, Gary Kono, identified himself as a retired surgeon. He admitted there is some risk associated with the plants and fungi, “but more people die from taking selfies for their social media than from all of our entheogens combined.”

Tuesday’s vote would be the final on the measure. The council’s public safety committee advanced it last week.


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Re: Dimethyltryptamine and psychedelics

Postby Artimas » Thu Jun 27, 2019 3:33 pm

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All smoke fades, as do all delicate mirrors shatter.

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Re: Dimethyltryptamine and psychedelics

Postby Artimas » Tue Nov 12, 2019 4:55 pm

barbarianhorde wrote:Im not with the ones who see the light with lsd or with any drug. The light is pretty obvious out there in the Big Dipper, the Pleiades, Sirius... these deep-light pools in the sky. Where light is somehow fresher than anywhere else.

Psychedelics don't show you astronomical gamma tracings though, they show you your own physiology.

And if your physiology is such that it sees not the light but the dank alone, then a quick derangement may produce a natural perception of the Light, and one shall be redeemed. If one manages to not become addicted to substances and rather ride out the conflict of the habitual corpse of Saturn and the new born Dionysus. As this no drug will tell you - the prize is not in the awareness of the light but in the same things life was always about in the first place. What the light grants is a true enjoyment of them, a bit of eternity in every act of nourishment or replenishment, - the awareness of karma as translation into chi, the occult.


It isn’t about just seeing the light, it’s also about seeing what the light can do and there is no light worker whom only has known light, the dark is just as or even more important. Life is the trip, drugs just put pieces together and things in perspective on a level that isn’t mere human. I subscribe to the stoned ape theory as well since we are a walking bag of ever-altering drugs/chemicals.

Even nothing, is something.
If one is to live balanced with expectations, then one must learn to appreciate the negative as well, to respect darkness in its own home.

All smoke fades, as do all delicate mirrors shatter.

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"Science Fiction today ~ Science Fact tomorrow"

Change is inevitable, it can only be delayed or sped up. Choose wisely.

Truth is pain, and pain is gain.


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