Are dreams an alternative reality?

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Are dreams an alternative reality?

Postby Maia » Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:56 pm

Many, perhaps most of my dreams, are set in places I've dreamt about before. A few are based on places in the real world, but most aren't. There are quite a lot of these different dream settings, but each one is familiar, and each time I'm there I learn something new about it. Surely this is significant in some way, whether or not they represent an alternative reality, or something else. I also, incidentally, tend to dream in cycles. I might gor for a few days with no dreams at all that I remember, followed by a few days of intense ones.
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Re: Are dreams an alternative reality?

Postby surreptitious75 » Fri Nov 16, 2018 6:17 pm


Dreams are an extension of reality because everything is connected to everything else
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Re: Are dreams an alternative reality?

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:23 am

No, dreams are a manifestation of subconscious and suppressed, desires and fears.

Dreams are a distortion of reality.
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Re: Are dreams an alternative reality?

Postby kowtaaia » Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:10 am

Dreaming is the continuity of thought when the body is asleep and the you and the me is the continuity of the dream when the body is awake.
Where thought arises and where it dissolves,
There you should abide, O my son.
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Re: Are dreams an alternative reality?

Postby Artimas » Sat Feb 16, 2019 4:48 am

Dreams are the subconscious mind, the ideas regarding a dream can stem from fear, curiosity or simply the subconscious criticizing the conscious mind. Your subconscious is a fragment of the collective pool of consciousness. It is why ideas come to us and not us to them, it is why you may see other individuals in your dreams and cannot place a name and sometimes can't even place an image of what they look like. Knowledge is not new, it is merely forgotten. Consciousness of which you use to interact with reality is the ego, your identity. Dreams could very well be another instance of yourself and even if they are not, they are still valuable and should be regarded.

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Re: Are dreams an alternative reality?

Postby Meno_ » Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:43 pm

"Consciousness of which you use to interact with reality is the ego, your identity. Dreams could very well be another instance of yourself and even if they are not, they are still valuable and should be regarded.[/quote]"


Their value depends on whether their source is real, imaginary, or symbolic.
And upon that determination rest their value.

In fact, been briefly conversing with Maia about two different kinds of people, one who has never seen, the other who would like to deny that sense.
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Re: Are dreams an alternative reality?

Postby Antithesis » Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:15 am

No, this is the alternative reality.
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Re: Are dreams an alternative reality?

Postby kowtaaia » Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:49 am

Each one is the continuity of the other.
Where thought arises and where it dissolves,
There you should abide, O my son.
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Re: Are dreams an alternative reality?

Postby Carleas » Fri Feb 22, 2019 5:41 pm

Dreaming seems to be the subjective experience of the brain's neural network pruning itself to make it more energy efficient. Slate Star Codex had a good article about neural networks and dreaming recently, and provides what I think is a plausible summary:
Slate Star Codex wrote:Hobson, Hong and Friston say that dreams are an attempt to refine model complexity separately from model accuracy. That is, a model is good insofar as it predicts true things (obviously) and is simple (this is just Occam’s Razor). All day long, your brain’s generative model is trying to predict true things, and in the process it snowballs in complexity; some studies suggest your synapses get 20% stronger over the course of the day, and this seems to have an effect on energy use as well – your brain runs literally hotter dealing with all the complicated calculations. At night, it switches to trying to make its model simpler, and this involves a lot of running the model without worrying about predictive accuracy. [...]

Some machine learning people I talked to took a slightly different approach to this, bringing up the wake-sleep algorithm and Boltzmann machines. These are neural net designs that naturally “dream” as part of their computations; ie in order to work, they need a step where they hallucinate some kind of random information, then forget that they did so. I don’t entirely understand these either, but they fit a pattern where there’s something psychiatrists have been puzzling about for centuries, people make up all sorts of theories involving childhood trauma and repressed sexuality, and then I mention it to a machine learning person and he says “Oh yeah, that’s [complicated-sounding math term], all our neural nets do that too.”
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Re: Are dreams an alternative reality?

Postby Meno_ » Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:04 pm

I feel that , and something tells me to tread lightly here ( for fear of a short circuit and possible electrocution due to leak on the foundation), philosophycally , the former appears more sensible then the Boltzmann analysis. I'll just end here, for the above given reason, not that I have to fear any censure for a bias that appears mostly dreams
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Re: Are dreams an alternative reality?

Postby Exuberant Teleportation » Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:45 am

There is a glass ceiling above our heads that has the planetary motions and infinite destiny of us all, written in the spell book of time, where we have a highest potential that we can realize, a conquering of all of our challenges at a perfect ending, but the difficulty of getting there is a lot like our fantasy sky dives when asleep. There could be a heavenly realm that we program, a symphony of perfectly played notes as our actions reflect the most pristine characters to enter into the schematics. There are certain totems or activation icons of divine natures that initiate events and chronicle the portals of eventuality. They may crash land from the god-grid into our field in dreams, give us revelations and secrets.
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Re: Are dreams an alternative reality?

Postby Santiago » Sun Mar 31, 2019 10:49 pm

The dream world is quite interesting. Some people don't dream hardly at all. Others have vague dreams that are highly symbolic and bizarre. And then there are those who have vivid dreams of a mythological and/or religious nature.

Many people have claimed to have received divine revelation through dreams. So, it is very conceivable that the dream world could be an alternative reality or dimension.

For most people, and unfortunately most people are rather banal and not spiritually minded, their dreams are vague, chaotic, and mostly meaningless; a reflection of their mundane and boring lifestyles, to be quite frank.

The more you decide to change your life and strive towards intellectual and moral nobility, reaching greater and ever greater heights, the more you will have vivid dreams of the gods conveying divine majesty to you. The muses will sing songs of such celestial beauty, encouraging you to continue striving for excellence.

The gods do speak to us through dreams.
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