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unknowing wrote:Had a dream that I was in a chain gang on the side of a highway picking up trash and I found a gun that led to my escape.
At the time of my dream I was a summer landscaper. That winter my boss got me a job clearing brush on the side of highway. While clearing it I found a gun lying on the ground. I instantly remembered my dream of being in a chain gang. I turned around with the gun in my hand. Just that second a van pulled up and orange jumpsuit prisoners got out to pick up trash. W-e-i-r-d!
unknowing wrote:W-e-i-r-d!
unknowing wrote:Had a dream that I was in a chain gang on the side of a highway picking up trash and I found a gun that led to my escape.
At the time of my dream I was a summer landscaper. That winter my boss got me a job clearing brush on the side of highway. While clearing it I found a gun lying on the ground. I instantly remembered my dream of being in a chain gang. I turned around with the gun in my hand. Just that second a van pulled up and orange jumpsuit prisoners got out to pick up trash. W-e-i-r-d!
Maia wrote:I once had a dream that I was crawling through the rubble of destroyed houses, cutting my hands and knees open on all the bricks, glass, wood etc. A few days later a tornado hit my home town.
MagsJ wrote:unknowing wrote:W-e-i-r-d!
Very...
I'm more clairvoyant.. audient.. etc, of which have led me to weird events happening... the most recent one being when I was walking past a bus stop on the way to my sister's and my mind told me to stop there for a short while (timing is always a critical part in these) and to wait.
A few minutes later a young female rushes past me so as not to miss the bus... she drops her travelcard holder, which is bursting at the seams with papers stuffed in it, and which I pick up and hand back to her, and I carry on to my sister's.
Many years ago now I felt I just had to go home, so I told my line manager I was taking the afternoon off (luckily this was an option for us) but I had to wait until my mind told me it was time to leave.. an activity which caused my whole team to look at me oddly until I left - I got the tube straight home, and walked into the Mews to see a neighbour of mine walking off with a big strange man.
There have been many more...
Fixed Cross wrote:Too many to count. At one point I accepted that the future already works on us. I accepted this when I realized it is physically impossible for it not to.
All the worlds activities follow certain paths, trends. The vast majority of future configurations must be relatively solidly fixed. Though nothing is absolutely fixed, there certainly are future events which are "knots" of long standing trends. These knots then work back to pull strings towards them.unknowing wrote:Had a dream that I was in a chain gang on the side of a highway picking up trash and I found a gun that led to my escape.
At the time of my dream I was a summer landscaper. That winter my boss got me a job clearing brush on the side of highway. While clearing it I found a gun lying on the ground. I instantly remembered my dream of being in a chain gang. I turned around with the gun in my hand. Just that second a van pulled up and orange jumpsuit prisoners got out to pick up trash. W-e-i-r-d!
Nice one. Very recognizable "infrastructure".
Carleas wrote:I am very skeptical of "psychic abilities" as an explanation for anything I see here. I'm not skeptical of the experiences as described (though of course there are plenty of liars on the internet), just of psy as an explanation. The experiences described here admit of much more mundane explanations: some are just open-ended predictions (e.g. "neighbour walking off with a big strange man"), such that a large set of outcomes count as successful predictions; some are predictions of things for which strong evidence exists without any appeal to psy (e.g. "electric cars"); some are explainable as a result of many people making a similar prediction when some of them have to be right (e.g. how many people that live in tornado-prone areas have dreams about destroyed houses? I know I did, and my town never got hit). Even the more amazing ones can be explained by known failures of human cognition, e.g. failures of memory and a tendency to retroactively alter a memory to fit with present experiences.
The burden to prove psy phenomena is quite high, and we have boring old explanations for all sorts of amazing subjective experiences. It's not at all surprising that every psy claim that has been tested under conditions meant to rule out these boring explanations has been found to be fully and boringly explained.
Carleas wrote:I'm happy to acknowledge the existence of abilities that I don't have. Synethetes, human calculators, savants, and other geniuses all have purely mental abilities that I don't have. I don't doubt the existence of those things because they make claims about their extraordinary subjective experience that are falsifiable and survive controlled testing. The same cannot be said about psychic abilities.
Make some concrete, public, risky predictions and let's see how you fare.
Carleas wrote:I am very skeptical of "psychic abilities" as an explanation for anything I see here. I'm not skeptical of the experiences as described (though of course there are plenty of liars on the internet), just of psy as an explanation. The experiences described here admit of much more mundane explanations: some are just open-ended predictions (e.g. "neighbour walking off with a big strange man"), such that a large set of outcomes count as successful predictions; some are predictions of things for which strong evidence exists without any appeal to psy (e.g. "electric cars"); some are explainable as a result of many people making a similar prediction when some of them have to be right (e.g. how many people that live in tornado-prone areas have dreams about destroyed houses? I know I did, and my town never got hit). Even the more amazing ones can be explained by known failures of human cognition, e.g. failures of memory and a tendency to retroactively alter a memory to fit with present experiences.
The burden to prove psy phenomena is quite high, and we have boring old explanations for all sorts of amazing subjective experiences. It's not at all surprising that every psy claim that has been tested under conditions meant to rule out these boring explanations has been found to be fully and boringly explained.
Maia wrote:England is not a tornado prone area. They are incredibly rare.
It is internationally recognised that the United Kingdom has a higher incidence of tornadoes, measured by unit area of land, than any other country in the world.[...] The United Kingdom has at least 33 tornadoes per year, more than any other country in the world relative to its land area.
unknowing wrote:not exactly like that, but close enough, six months prior
unknowing wrote:He told me to take a risk and predict something, but only if it affects everyone, concretely, because that would be proof.
Urwrongx1000 wrote:So far the "psychic" abilities and experiences in this thread can be reduced down to mere coincidence, nothing special.
And after thousands of years, not even Buddhists can levitate using their minds.
If anything, Rationality is the greatest "psychic" ability.
Carleas wrote:Maia wrote:England is not a tornado prone area. They are incredibly rare.
This does not appear to be true. From Wiki:It is internationally recognised that the United Kingdom has a higher incidence of tornadoes, measured by unit area of land, than any other country in the world.[...] The United Kingdom has at least 33 tornadoes per year, more than any other country in the world relative to its land area.unknowing wrote:not exactly like that, but close enough, six months prior
Alternative hypothesis: you don't faithfully remember your dreams from six months ago, and when something happened to you that had a few similarities to a partially remembered 6-month-old dream, you filled in the gaps in your memory with details drawn from a present experience. The dream you remember is "close enough" because the memory is built from pieces of the experience it ostensibly predicted.
This kind of false memory happens all the time, it is well documented and studied, it's been manipulated in laboratory settings, it's the most mundane phenomenon in the world. And it well explains your subjective experience.unknowing wrote:He told me to take a risk and predict something, but only if it affects everyone, concretely, because that would be proof.
It doesn't have to affect everyone. It needs to be: concrete (i.e., the criteria for a successful prediction are clearly articulated before their occurence), public (i.e. it's not enough to have had them in your head and then say "I totally knew that would happen"; writing them down privately in a form that establishes when they were made would count), and risky (i.e. the prediction should ideally be so unlikely that the only explanation is clairvoyance; a prediction of something ordinary, or a prediction that is satisfied by too many outcomes, will be expected to come true just by chance).
The claim your making doesn't satisfy these. You have private experiences that aren't recorded and aren't shared until one of any number of "close enough" outcomes indicates that they were in fact predictions and not just passing thoughts of no consequence.
unknowing wrote:I can reduce rationality and logic to mere guessing, nothing more special than truth simply assumed. Doesn't feel good does it to be dimissed so casually?
There is no such thing as coincidence.
Forget Buddhists and their secretive practices for a moment, my brain left my apartment and ended up in another state when I smoked Salvia Divinorium. The mind can do other things besides compute a frail truth table.
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