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Meno_ wrote:James, can You account for the difficulty in coming to terms with a lot of differential diagnosis, especially the ones having a continuum based assessment between autism on one end and schizotypal personality at the other end, on the same axis.
Meno_ wrote:So, the question remains , whether, Society is playing a game on them, or,vice versa.
surreptitious75 wrote:I do not think demons exist and so therefore multiple personality disorder is the most rational explanation
The most rational explanation in your case is bad acid that has got nothing whatsoever to do with demons
surreptitious75 wrote:Can someone with multiple personality disorder make them appear at will as she apparently can
Is it not true that personalities only appear when they want to not when the host wants them to
James S Saint wrote:It's all a little simpler than that.
Schizophrenia
First realize that "spirit" merely refers to a behavior as if it was an autonomous being. "Demon" is similar but a specific kind of behavior, specifically the kind that causes division of the whole, "de-mon", "anti-one". And each more modern nomenclature for such behavior refers to a strong shifting of behavior with mere nuance differences between the classifications.
Thus, once you get the concepts straight, anyone with multiple personality disorder, schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, or dissociative identity disorder (DID), by definition is possessed by "a demon spirit", a behavior that divides the whole.
James S Saint wrote:And the reason they blackout and often have hallucinations and delusions is simply because of the manner in which the brain stores memories. It is much like application programs in a computer with each application being a different "personality". Each application has a portion of computer memory associated with it that is separated from the other applications. As one app is running, the other apps temporarily "blackout" and have no memory of what the computer was doing. Each personality type or bent associates memory through different vectors that seldom cross paths and thus have no association with each other and thus do not trigger recall of each other.
James S Saint wrote:The consciousness of each personality application can only access memories that have an association with itself, literally stored in slightly different locations in the brain. <-- Literally? Memories function through associative vectors wherein each thought has to have some acknowledged association between the trigger thought and the memory. Thoughts from one conscious personality, even though generally the same thought as another personality, carry the subtle attitudes and emotional connections with it. Those more subtle associations with each thought have a great deal to do with memory vector associations (because memory is greatly concerned with threat and hope assessment, PHT).
James S Saint wrote:Due to those subtle attitudes being different for each conscious state, the memory vectors are different even though the conscious thought would seem to be the same thought. Differing personalities are merely differing modes of operation. The tendency to shift from one to another mode of operation is the behavior once called "demon possessed".
James S Saint wrote:That sensitivity and willingness to shift operating modes (personalities) is usually medically instigated, not really inherited (despite what they say). Well, I'm sure genetics has something to do with it. You don't think there are certain brains which are naturally more prone to DID than others? It is a sign of social manipulation and corruption. And because it is a disturbance of the memory system's association mechanism, misdirected memory vectors often bring up alternate mode memories that should have been isolated from the concurrent consciousness. This is much like when one daydreams and later loses certainty as to whether he dreamt a particular event or actually experienced it. Sometimes such can happen immediately and lead to hallucinations (wakeful dreaming) and delusions (mis-associated attributes).
James S Saint wrote:It is all merely a breaking down of the memory association mechanism, invariably due to medical contamination (usually acquired during infancy, although drug use can retrain the brain into the scrambled condition). Being "demon possessed" is a physiological condition that can often be handled psychologically because the mind affects the brain just as the brain affects the mind.
James S Saint wrote:I might add that all of this is also closely associated with the current plague of autism, ADD, and ADHD. In those cases, the working memory mechanism is very easily disrupted through practiced distractions, switching of attention, such that concentration and stable memory is difficult to achieve. Daydreaming and adopting slightly new personalities is common as a drifting of the operating mode toward imagined self images.
James S Saint wrote:The direction of the drifting is strongly affected by sensed levels of confidence or insecurity. Such drifting can be easily the result of any variety of inner physical or emotional discomforts due to anything as simple as diet or as remote as conversations of doom and gloom or by feelings of social guilt, rejection, or approval. Many current ILP members are experiencing that condition.
James S Saint wrote:It might be of interest that being working-memory sensitive or unstable and thus having attention problems can be used to help treat the more serious schizoid conditions. Huh? So becoming AD(H)D can be a treatment for schizoid conditions? The ability for the mind to be persuaded by fantasy imaginings provides for influence to be had from consciously led efforts. Merely by concentrating on allowing oneself to imagine themselves as a more secure type of person (although more details are required), they can instill a longer term stability of behavior, thus "exorcising the demon", just as more ancient Catholic priests were doing.
James S Saint wrote:The mind can often fix the mind, even though the break was medically instigated. But at times, additional medication is still at least temporarily required. The larger social problem is that such injuries are far easier to create than to remedy, entropy is easier than anti-entropy. It is easier to spill milk into the carpet than to entirely clean it up.
James S Saint wrote:Meno_ wrote:James, can You account for the difficulty in coming to terms with a lot of differential diagnosis, especially the ones having a continuum based assessment between autism on one end and schizotypal personality at the other end, on the same axis.
That's pretty easy: They are idiots.
Of course, I don't really mean truly technical "idiots", but most certainly on the whole, the fields of psychiatry, psychology, and the new armies of postmodern young Obama-physicians and business minded MDs are filled to the brim with people who have nearly zero analytical diagnostic skills. They are, as most public institutes of today, programmed to believe themselves to be members of a superior elite intelligencia, not at all unlike the Hitler youth of 1940 Germany. They are too proud to give credence to the idea that they might be wrong about anything or that they might need to examine more carefully or deeply. They are drones for the cause. They demonstrate this daily by their use of such vague category distinctions as those to which you refer. Ask ten of them any question involving analytical thinking and you will probably get ten different answers. And they don't even notice what might be wrong with that.
They will even tell you that they can't actually fix anything, only treat the condition (which inexplicably never really improves). Yet the best of such that I ever knew charged $400 an hour .. just to listen.Meno_ wrote:So, the question remains , whether, Society is playing a game on them, or,vice versa.
Society is never "playing the game". People play the games. Society is the muddied playing field within which you are but a blade of trampled grass.
James S Saint wrote:My apologies gib, I forgot how terribly superficial you are. When I say "medical", I am referring to the biochemistry of the physiology, not medicinal pharmaceuticals, ie toxins, radicals, viruses, fungi, bacteria, and even sonological and radiological influences on the physiometrics.
gib wrote:Oh, well aren't you a fountain of clarity. Come back to me when you're ready to stop talking in riddles.
James S Saint wrote:gib wrote:Oh, well aren't you a fountain of clarity. Come back to me when you're ready to stop talking in riddles.
Ask another question when you are willing to paying attention to the details of what is written (not PRESUME).
gib wrote:This is starting to feel like a conversation with Magnus.
The Gender Bender Trope
A character has undergone a complete physical sex change, usually through magic or applied Phlebotinum. Depending on the medium, genre, and storyline, this may be a one-time temporary change, a recurring change (causing the character to jump the gender line often), or even permanent.
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Phlebotinum is the versatile substance that may be rubbed on anything to cause an effect needed by a plot. Examples include but are not limited to: nanotechnology, magic crystal emanations, pixie dust, and Green Rocks.
In essence, it is plot fuel. Without it, the story would grind to an abrupt halt. It's the science that powers the FTL drive on the starship so the characters can get somewhere, it's the magic that hatches the Egg MacGuffin so the protagonist can save an endangered species, it's the strange things unknown to science or magic that do basically anything except those limits and dangers required by the plot. The reader does not know how Phlebotinum would work and the creators hope nobody cares.
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First Law of Gender-Bending"Once a girl has been created, circumstances will conspire to keep her a girl."
Not only are male-to-female Gender Benders a lot more common than their female-to-male counterparts, they are also a lot more permanent. One might think that the same Applied Phlebotinum that can change a male into a female should just as easily be able to do the opposite, but that's rarely the case
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Second Law of Gender Bending"Any character, after being gender bent, will come to enjoy their new gender more than their old gender."
A fictional character that gets his or her gender bent often becomes gradually accustomed to life as a new man or woman. Eventually they likely will experience an epiphany: that they are better off in their new gender than they ever were in their old one. This is the Second Law of Gender Bending, where a gender bent person would, if offered a chance to revert to their former gender, turn it down because they have come to enjoy the benefits of the change.
The epiphany typically takes one of two forms:.
- A reluctant admission, either because they've changed too much to return to the way things were or are loath to admit the enjoyment they get from their new lifestyle.
- A jovial acceptance, where they quickly discover how much fun life is after the gender flip, and they never want to go back.
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Third Law of Gender Bending"Any gender bent character will either embrace or be subject to all of the stereotypes associated with their new gender."
Characters who change sex typically adopt—or be forced to adopt—"gender appropriate" dress and behavior. Most of the time this means dresses and makeup for a man turned woman and aggressive and macho behavior for a woman turned man. Frequently rationalized as being due to the characters having stereotypical views of gender roles, particularly when the character in question is depicted as being in need of a lesson in gender equality.
James S Saint wrote:.
Since you seem to be fascinated by the new age gender bender trope industry:The Gender Bender Trope
A character has undergone a complete physical sex change, usually through magic or applied Phlebotinum. Depending on the medium, genre, and storyline, this may be a one-time temporary change, a recurring change (causing the character to jump the gender line often), or even permanent.
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Phlebotinum is the versatile substance that may be rubbed on anything to cause an effect needed by a plot. Examples include but are not limited to: nanotechnology, magic crystal emanations, pixie dust, and Green Rocks.
In essence, it is plot fuel. Without it, the story would grind to an abrupt halt. It's the science that powers the FTL drive on the starship so the characters can get somewhere, it's the magic that hatches the Egg MacGuffin so the protagonist can save an endangered species, it's the strange things unknown to science or magic that do basically anything except those limits and dangers required by the plot. The reader does not know how Phlebotinum would work and the creators hope nobody cares.
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First Law of Gender-Bending"Once a girl has been created, circumstances will conspire to keep her a girl."
Not only are male-to-female Gender Benders a lot more common than their female-to-male counterparts, they are also a lot more permanent. One might think that the same Applied Phlebotinum that can change a male into a female should just as easily be able to do the opposite, but that's rarely the case
.
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Second Law of Gender Bending"Any character, after being gender bent, will come to enjoy their new gender more than their old gender."
A fictional character that gets his or her gender bent often becomes gradually accustomed to life as a new man or woman. Eventually they likely will experience an epiphany: that they are better off in their new gender than they ever were in their old one. This is the Second Law of Gender Bending, where a gender bent person would, if offered a chance to revert to their former gender, turn it down because they have come to enjoy the benefits of the change.
The epiphany typically takes one of two forms:.
- A reluctant admission, either because they've changed too much to return to the way things were or are loath to admit the enjoyment they get from their new lifestyle.
- A jovial acceptance, where they quickly discover how much fun life is after the gender flip, and they never want to go back.
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Third Law of Gender Bending"Any gender bent character will either embrace or be subject to all of the stereotypes associated with their new gender."
Characters who change sex typically adopt—or be forced to adopt—"gender appropriate" dress and behavior. Most of the time this means dresses and makeup for a man turned woman and aggressive and macho behavior for a woman turned man. Frequently rationalized as being due to the characters having stereotypical views of gender roles, particularly when the character in question is depicted as being in need of a lesson in gender equality.
Jakob wrote:Since the belief in Ego is as hollow as belief in One God, it is only natural that people fall away from the illusion into a poly-egotism, to later on realize the plurality of being-as-such, and create new Pantheons of Pleasure.
gib wrote:Jakob wrote:Since the belief in Ego is as hollow as belief in One God, it is only natural that people fall away from the illusion into a poly-egotism, to later on realize the plurality of being-as-such, and create new Pantheons of Pleasure.
It would be interesting to see just how much an artifact of modern day civilization this one ego really is... how prevalent does DID become the further back in history, and into pre-history, we go. Would a single ego have been the exception rather than the rule in pre-historic times? If so, that would explain a great deal of the spiritual/religious orientation of early man--the belief in spiritual possession.
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