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Postby Fixed Cross » Fri Oct 27, 2017 6:54 pm

This is a thread about I.

Not about me, about "I".

I

As in: I make this thread about I.
Not the letter I, so much, as the principle "I".

What is this principle?
It is fundamentally different from "me".

Gim-me, gim-me.
No.

I will not give you.

I WILL
not give.

The "I" is transmuted (read: transitioned and muted) into "me" by an evil hand of god, who in all his wise nonexistence decided that the acting entity is identical to the passive entity.

"I" is the topic. Not "me".
This is not personal. It is about Action.

"I" = will to power.
"me" not so much.

So "me" doesn't exist.
Me no exist!
Thats right, me-me.
Only I exists.
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Re: I

Postby Innovice » Fri Oct 27, 2017 9:09 pm

When something unpleasant is done to me I feel that me exists
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Re: I

Postby Fixed Cross » Sat Oct 28, 2017 3:27 pm

demoralized wrote:When something unpleasant is done to me I feel that me exists

Yes.
This is the gist of it - me is passive.
It exists - passive things do exist -
but my and Nietzsches philosophy focus on the idea that active existence is truly fundamentally different from passive existence.

I am trying to identify this difference in the simplest of terms.
The distinction between these pronouns is very significant.

The scene of pronouns is the actual science of a cultures identity.

Say in French, the passive and active are often combined in a spoke sentence. Like "Il le deteste, mais moi, je l'aime." - He hates it but me, I love it.
This occurs in English too, but in French it is very common....
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Re: I

Postby xhightension » Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:40 pm

The active present "I" and the poor little "me" seem to be a split in the ego. Our identity embed these pronouns. Tyler Durden I calls Cornelius me a pussy; I dish it out to me.
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Re: I

Postby Fixed Cross » Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:43 pm

xhightension wrote:The active present "I" and the poor little "me" seem to be a split in the ego. Our identity embed these pronouns. Tyler Durden I calls Cornelius me a pussy; I dish it out to me.

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Re: I

Postby James S Saint » Sun Dec 10, 2017 12:47 pm

I is that which sees..
... me and ewe.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: I

Postby Arcturus Descending » Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:11 pm

FC

So "me" doesn't exist.
Me no exist!
Thats right, me-me.
Only I exists.


Me is no more or less passive than is I. It all just comes down to how you use it in a sentence and where you apply it in a sentence.

"Woe is me" reeks with passivity. But me does not necessarily imply weakness - no more nor less than the I is capable of.

You will give it to ME or you shall die.
Does the word imply weakness there? Maybe insanity but not weakness.



But what about, let's say, Alexander the Great who might have said to his men "I am the great conqueror. You will listen to ME and we will conquer our world."
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It is better to debate a question without settling it than to settle a question without debating it.


The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory but progress.


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Re: I

Postby James S Saint » Sun Dec 17, 2017 6:38 pm

Arcturus Descending wrote:Me is no more or less passive than is I.

I don't consider "you" to be very passive.
8-[
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: I

Postby Rabbi Shekelstein » Sun Dec 17, 2017 7:36 pm

Say what you want guys but let's face it, you all are a bunch of egoists at heart.
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Re: I

Postby Mr Reasonable » Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:17 am

Not me.
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Re: I

Postby Arcturus Descending » Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:19 pm

Zero_Sum wrote:Say what you want guys but let's face it, you all are a bunch of egoists at heart.


As per your "survivalist" occupation, is it not important that one needs to have an ego or be somewhat of an egoist?

How would the human race have survived had it not been for the *I*?
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It is better to debate a question without settling it than to settle a question without debating it.


The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory but progress.


“We love repose of mind so well, that we are arrested by anything which has even the appearance of truth; and so we fall asleep on clouds.”


You have to be like the pebble in the stream, keeping the grain and rolling along without being dissolved or dissolving anything else.
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Re: I

Postby Arcturus Descending » Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:30 pm

James S Saint wrote:
Arcturus Descending wrote:Me is no more nor less passive than is I.

I don't consider "you" to be very passive.
8-[


I did say "no more nor less", Jaime. Actually, I corrected my grammar there. It is *nor* not *or*. 8-[
Latin does not put the *I* on a higher plane than does the *me*.
They both still point to one's self.

Anyway, I am not very passive though there are times of course when I sing a lullaby to both the angel and devil on my shoulders and they fall off into a deep slumber.
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It is better to debate a question without settling it than to settle a question without debating it.


The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory but progress.


“We love repose of mind so well, that we are arrested by anything which has even the appearance of truth; and so we fall asleep on clouds.”


You have to be like the pebble in the stream, keeping the grain and rolling along without being dissolved or dissolving anything else.
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Re: I

Postby Rabbi Shekelstein » Thu Dec 21, 2017 5:48 pm

Mr Reasonable wrote:Not me.

You're one of the biggest here.
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Re: I

Postby Rabbi Shekelstein » Thu Dec 21, 2017 5:55 pm

Arcturus Descending wrote:
Zero_Sum wrote:Say what you want guys but let's face it, you all are a bunch of egoists at heart.


As per your "survivalist" occupation, is it not important that one needs to have an ego or be somewhat of an egoist?

How would the human race have survived had it not been for the *I*?

Human beings cannot exist without the I or ego no matter what the rest of you might say.

Even Buddhists have egos which they try to purge in meditation daily in the most unnatural practices and ways, even with them the final purge is death the annihilation of self not before.
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Re: I

Postby Dan~ » Sat Dec 30, 2017 2:50 am

I don't see what the big deal is.
Some people would hate their skin because it blocks them from the outside world.
Not literally, but:
Walls insulate our mind.

So often, the gurus blame is misplaced.
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Re: I

Postby MagsJ » Sat Dec 30, 2017 12:10 pm

Dan~ wrote:I don't see what the big deal is.
Some people would hate their skin because it blocks them from the outside world.
Not literally, but:
Walls insulate our mind.

So often, the gurus blame is misplaced.

I am enjoying your current epiphanical postings Dan~ here and in other threads.

I think we walk a very fine line of balancing the I in juxtaposition of the We, on a daily basis.. tightrope walking classes anyone? anyone?
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Re: I

Postby Dan~ » Sat Dec 30, 2017 10:01 pm

MagsJ wrote:
Dan~ wrote:I don't see what the big deal is.
Some people would hate their skin because it blocks them from the outside world.
Not literally, but:
Walls insulate our mind.

So often, the gurus blame is misplaced.

I am enjoying your current epiphanical postings Dan~ here and in other threads.

I think we walk a very fine line of balancing the I in juxtaposition of the We, on a daily basis.. tightrope walking classes anyone? anyone?


I'm quite surprised, but, thank you.

I don't have a good reply for that, but, maybe later.
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