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Postby Fixed Cross » Fri Oct 27, 2017 6:54 pm

This is a thread about I.

Not about me, about "I".

I

As in: I make this thread about I.
Not the letter I, so much, as the principle "I".

What is this principle?
It is fundamentally different from "me".

Gim-me, gim-me.
No.

I will not give you.

I WILL
not give.

The "I" is transmuted (read: transitioned and muted) into "me" by an evil hand of god, who in all his wise nonexistence decided that the acting entity is identical to the passive entity.

"I" is the topic. Not "me".
This is not personal. It is about Action.

"I" = will to power.
"me" not so much.

So "me" doesn't exist.
Me no exist!
Thats right, me-me.
Only I exists.
The strong do what they can, the weak accept what they must.
- Thucydides

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Re: I

Postby demoralized » Fri Oct 27, 2017 9:09 pm

When something unpleasant is done to me I feel that me exists
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Re: I

Postby Fixed Cross » Sat Oct 28, 2017 3:27 pm

demoralized wrote:When something unpleasant is done to me I feel that me exists

Yes.
This is the gist of it - me is passive.
It exists - passive things do exist -
but my and Nietzsches philosophy focus on the idea that active existence is truly fundamentally different from passive existence.

I am trying to identify this difference in the simplest of terms.
The distinction between these pronouns is very significant.

The scene of pronouns is the actual science of a cultures identity.

Say in French, the passive and active are often combined in a spoke sentence. Like "Il le deteste, mais moi, je l'aime." - He hates it but me, I love it.
This occurs in English too, but in French it is very common....
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Re: I

Postby xhightension » Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:40 pm

The active present "I" and the poor little "me" seem to be a split in the ego. Our identity embed these pronouns. Tyler Durden I calls Cornelius me a pussy; I dish it out to me.
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Re: I

Postby Fixed Cross » Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:43 pm

xhightension wrote:The active present "I" and the poor little "me" seem to be a split in the ego. Our identity embed these pronouns. Tyler Durden I calls Cornelius me a pussy; I dish it out to me.

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Re: I

Postby James S Saint » Sun Dec 10, 2017 12:47 pm

I is that which sees..
... me and ewe.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: I

Postby Arcturus Descending » Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:11 pm

FC

So "me" doesn't exist.
Me no exist!
Thats right, me-me.
Only I exists.


Me is no more or less passive than is I. It all just comes down to how you use it in a sentence and where you apply it in a sentence.

"Woe is me" reeks with passivity. But me does not necessarily imply weakness - no more nor less than the I is capable of.

You will give it to ME or you shall die.
Does the word imply weakness there? Maybe insanity but not weakness.



But what about, let's say, Alexander the Great who might have said to his men "I am the great conqueror. You will listen to ME and we will conquer our world."
SAPERE AUDE!


If I thought that everything I did was determined by my circumstancse and my psychological condition, I would feel trapped.


What we take ourselves to be doing when we think about what is the case or how we should act is something that cannot be reconciled with a reductive naturalism, for reasons distinct from those that entail the irreducibility of consciousness. It is not merely the subjectivity of thought but its capacity to transcend subjectivity and to discover what is objectively the case that presents a problem....Thought and reasoning are correct or incorrect in virtue of something independent of the thinker's beliefs, and even independent of the community of thinkers to which he belongs.

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