## I

The origins of the imperative, "know thyself", are lost in the sands of time, but the age-old examination of human consciousness continues here.

### I

I

Not the letter I, so much, as the principle "I".

What is this principle?
It is fundamentally different from "me".

Gim-me, gim-me.
No.

I will not give you.

I WILL
not give.

The "I" is transmuted (read: transitioned and muted) into "me" by an evil hand of god, who in all his wise nonexistence decided that the acting entity is identical to the passive entity.

"I" is the topic. Not "me".
This is not personal. It is about Action.

"I" = will to power.
"me" not so much.

So "me" doesn't exist.
Me no exist!
Thats right, me-me.
Only I exists.
The strong do what they can, the weak accept what they must.
- Thucydides

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### Re: I

When something unpleasant is done to me I feel that me exists
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demoralized wrote:When something unpleasant is done to me I feel that me exists

Yes.
This is the gist of it - me is passive.
It exists - passive things do exist -
but my and Nietzsches philosophy focus on the idea that active existence is truly fundamentally different from passive existence.

I am trying to identify this difference in the simplest of terms.
The distinction between these pronouns is very significant.

The scene of pronouns is the actual science of a cultures identity.

Say in French, the passive and active are often combined in a spoke sentence. Like "Il le deteste, mais moi, je l'aime." - He hates it but me, I love it.
This occurs in English too, but in French it is very common....
The strong do what they can, the weak accept what they must.
- Thucydides

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The active present "I" and the poor little "me" seem to be a split in the ego. Our identity embed these pronouns. Tyler Durden I calls Cornelius me a pussy; I dish it out to me.
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xhightension wrote:The active present "I" and the poor little "me" seem to be a split in the ego. Our identity embed these pronouns. Tyler Durden I calls Cornelius me a pussy; I dish it out to me.

The strong do what they can, the weak accept what they must.
- Thucydides

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### Re: I

I is that which sees..
... me and ewe.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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FC

So "me" doesn't exist.
Me no exist!
Thats right, me-me.
Only I exists.

Me is no more or less passive than is I. It all just comes down to how you use it in a sentence and where you apply it in a sentence.

"Woe is me" reeks with passivity. But me does not necessarily imply weakness - no more nor less than the I is capable of.

You will give it to ME or you shall die.
Does the word imply weakness there? Maybe insanity but not weakness.

But what about, let's say, Alexander the Great who might have said to his men "I am the great conqueror. You will listen to ME and we will conquer our world."
"Look closely. The beautiful may be small."

"Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the oftener and more steadily we reflect on them: the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me."

“Whereas the beautiful is limited, the sublime is limitless, so that the mind in the presence of the sublime, attempting to imagine what it cannot, has pain in the failure but pleasure in contemplating the immensity of the attempt.”

Immanuel Kant

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### Re: I

Arcturus Descending wrote:Me is no more or less passive than is I.

I don't consider "you" to be very passive.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Say what you want guys but let's face it, you all are a bunch of egoists at heart.
"I'm sorry, but the lifestyle you've ordered that you've grown accustomed to is completely out of stock. Have a nice day! "-$$Zero_Sum Evil Neo-Nazi Extraordinaire. Posts: 2731 Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:05 pm Location: U.S.S.A- Newly lead Bolshevik Soviet block. Also known as Weimar America. ### Re: I Not me. You see...a pimp's love is very different from that of a square. Dating a stripper is like eating a noisy bag of chips in church. Everyone looks at you in disgust, but deep down they want some too. What exactly is logic? -Magnus Anderson Support the innocence project on AmazonSmile instead of Turd's African savior biker dude. http://www.innocenceproject.org/ Mr Reasonable resident contrarian Posts: 25948 Joined: Sat Mar 17, 2007 8:54 am Location: pimping a hole straight through the stratosphere itself ### Re: I Zero_Sum wrote:Say what you want guys but let's face it, you all are a bunch of egoists at heart. As per your "survivalist" occupation, is it not important that one needs to have an ego or be somewhat of an egoist? How would the human race have survived had it not been for the *I*? "Look closely. The beautiful may be small." "Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the oftener and more steadily we reflect on them: the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me." “Whereas the beautiful is limited, the sublime is limitless, so that the mind in the presence of the sublime, attempting to imagine what it cannot, has pain in the failure but pleasure in contemplating the immensity of the attempt.” Immanuel Kant Arcturus Descending Consciousness Seeker Posts: 15597 Joined: Sat Sep 06, 2008 5:15 pm Location: A state of unknowing ### Re: I James S Saint wrote: Arcturus Descending wrote:Me is no more nor less passive than is I. I don't consider "you" to be very passive. I did say "no more nor less", Jaime. Actually, I corrected my grammar there. It is *nor* not *or*. Latin does not put the *I* on a higher plane than does the *me*. They both still point to one's self. Anyway, I am not very passive though there are times of course when I sing a lullaby to both the angel and devil on my shoulders and they fall off into a deep slumber. "Look closely. The beautiful may be small." "Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the oftener and more steadily we reflect on them: the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me." “Whereas the beautiful is limited, the sublime is limitless, so that the mind in the presence of the sublime, attempting to imagine what it cannot, has pain in the failure but pleasure in contemplating the immensity of the attempt.” Immanuel Kant Arcturus Descending Consciousness Seeker Posts: 15597 Joined: Sat Sep 06, 2008 5:15 pm Location: A state of unknowing ### Re: I Mr Reasonable wrote:Not me. You're one of the biggest here. "I'm sorry, but the lifestyle you've ordered that you've grown accustomed to is completely out of stock. Have a nice day! "-$$$Zero_Sum Evil Neo-Nazi Extraordinaire. Posts: 2731 Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:05 pm Location: U.S.S.A- Newly lead Bolshevik Soviet block. Also known as Weimar America. ### Re: I Arcturus Descending wrote: Zero_Sum wrote:Say what you want guys but let's face it, you all are a bunch of egoists at heart. As per your "survivalist" occupation, is it not important that one needs to have an ego or be somewhat of an egoist? How would the human race have survived had it not been for the *I*? Human beings cannot exist without the I or ego no matter what the rest of you might say. Even Buddhists have egos which they try to purge in meditation daily in the most unnatural practices and ways, even with them the final purge is death the annihilation of self not before. "I'm sorry, but the lifestyle you've ordered that you've grown accustomed to is completely out of stock. Have a nice day! "-$

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I don't see what the big deal is.
Some people would hate their skin because it blocks them from the outside world.
Not literally, but:
Walls insulate our mind.

So often, the gurus blame is misplaced.
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Dan~ wrote:I don't see what the big deal is.
Some people would hate their skin because it blocks them from the outside world.
Not literally, but:
Walls insulate our mind.

So often, the gurus blame is misplaced.

I am enjoying your current epiphanical postings Dan~ here and in other threads.

I think we walk a very fine line of balancing the I in juxtaposition of the We, on a daily basis.. tightrope walking classes anyone? anyone?
The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite

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MagsJ wrote:
Dan~ wrote:I don't see what the big deal is.
Some people would hate their skin because it blocks them from the outside world.
Not literally, but:
Walls insulate our mind.

So often, the gurus blame is misplaced.

I am enjoying your current epiphanical postings Dan~ here and in other threads.

I think we walk a very fine line of balancing the I in juxtaposition of the We, on a daily basis.. tightrope walking classes anyone? anyone?

I'm quite surprised, but, thank you.

I don't have a good reply for that, but, maybe later.
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