Why do people get tattoos?

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Why do people get tattoos?

Postby A Shieldmaiden » Sat Mar 04, 2017 6:27 am

Two men were sitting outside a cafe having coffee, obviously a bit high and in the mode of the 'morning after'. Both had tattoos totally covering their faces, necks, arms, hands and legs. Now tattoos have been around for thousands of years, used not for decorative art as it is considered today, but to differentiate peasants from slaves. This form of art has really come into its own in the last 20 years or so and seeing these two men prompted me to ask the question.

What is the psychology of this desire to scar/mutilate your body, which is considered reasonably if not permanent?

Tattoos have real meaning for people and reveal much about a person and their personality.

Johnny Depp said, “My body is my journal and my tattoos are my story”, and

Do tattoos and piercings make women more attractive and does it take a certain type of person to do it?
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Re: Why do people get tattoos?

Postby Magnus Anderson » Sat Mar 04, 2017 2:27 pm

What's your opinion on tattoos?
Mine is negative.
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Re: Why do people get tattoos?

Postby mannikin » Sat Mar 04, 2017 2:58 pm

The markings use to be of tribal allegiance, how a dog would mark it's spot with urine, the human would mark it's body to display which group he/she is apart of, body/face make it personal, it brings it into realty. These days such markings are trivialized into cultural decorative art usually without any reference to anything.. it's a product of a safe space, where the system creates a comfort zone where you can pretty much look like, represent anything without any real consequences, it's the equivalent of dress up.

In certain areas of UK, US and especially other parts of the world, you can be simply be murdered for having the wrong markings in the certain places, as certain signs which are tattooed are held in complete seriousness, the same outcome can occur from wearing certain colors.

The reason for why it is the way it is now is because of technology development (ink guns and artists), cultural materialism mixed with an environment that promotes individualism which results in a typical fashion trend that the masses indulge in, the variation of art makes it more appealing, but this also why that have walls of default templates you can choose from to cater to the typical conformity.

Personally, i'm divided on it, i'm against having them for the sake of having them in the conformity context as i described above, I suppose it isn't that bad if you're the arty type and use your body for personal decoration, but meh..if it doesn't connect to reality with a life or death seriousness, or represent a blood line connection, then I don't think much of it..

IMO, because of genetic memory, tattoos attract certain types that feel it's necessary to represent their blood, these are usually tough hard types, and use such methods to reconnect to who they once were as a way of maintaining identity. Another thing, tattoos seem to attract those of low IQ, i imagine this is because of mass conformity as i previously mentioned..

it's difficult to connect those two examples because of reality vs artificially, the first type can be perfectly intelligent, pledge allegiance to a group which represents who they are in reality, this is something that you cannot choose, you are born into it by blood, the other types, the low IQ type is artificial, where they can simply choose whatever they want to represent even if it goes against who they are, the system permits delusion by securing the safe space in which they do it in, this is inline with modernity, freedom and humanity.."you can be whoever you want to be" etc..and all that stuff...which is nothing more that a marketing strategy, and also keeps the being down by having it not realize who it really is.
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Re: Why do people get tattoos?

Postby Mictlantecuhtli » Sun Mar 05, 2017 5:51 pm

Symbolic imagery, art expression, and for some like me an artistic history within symbols of one's own personal life. For me every tattoo I have has a story to tell behind it.
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Re: Why do people get tattoos?

Postby MagsJ » Sun Mar 05, 2017 6:08 pm

I am guessing you don't have tattoos ASM, but would you date a guy with tattoos? or befriend those who have tattoos?

Tattoos seem to have gone from Tribal, to stigma, to stylish.
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Re: Why do people get tattoos?

Postby Mictlantecuhtli » Sun Mar 05, 2017 6:42 pm

MagsJ wrote:I am guessing you don't have tattoos ASM, but would you date a guy with tattoos? or befriend those who have tattoos?

Tattoos seem to have gone from Tribal, to stigma, to stylish.


I'm working on my sixth one currently. Haven't decided what it will be quite yet.

I'm quite conservative however in that none of them are publicly visible.
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Re: Why do people get tattoos?

Postby A Shieldmaiden » Mon Mar 06, 2017 8:25 pm

I am guessing you don't have tattoos ASM, but would you date a guy with tattoos? or befriend those who have tattoos?

Tattoos seem to have gone from Tribal, to stigma, to stylish.


No I don't have any tattoos, but that is not what I am saying. It becomes troublesome when people become obssessive about them.

What I was referring to was something similar to this

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admittedly, these men wear them well as they are warriors, (New Zealand Maoris), but when your regular guy is covered in them it sends a different message.
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Re: Why do people get tattoos?

Postby humunculus » Tue Mar 07, 2017 5:17 am

Yes, it often still is tribal, or a rite of passage. There are several aspects: one is to demonstrate courage, another is to show solidarity - and, in that case it does have to show.
People also get them simply for fashion - everyone on the football team has one; or everyone in the social circle; or it's simply an accessory to show off in a certain occupation, school or neighbourhood. People imitate one another and like to fit in.

Also, it's a form of commemoration of a person or event. Somebody might get a tattoo in memory of a dead friend, a sad love-affair, graduation - all kinds of things that have meaning for them.
Sometimes it's a personal statement or even manifesto; that is, it tells the world something the wearer considers important they want to communicate - about their character, values, convictions, faith, sexuality, etc.
And sometimes it's purely decorative.

I've seen some very attractive tattoos, mostly on young women, and some quite ugly ones, mostly on men.
Individual pictures and patterns are interesting. When the tattooing is too dense, it just makes the person look in need of a good scrub.
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Re: Why do people get tattoos?

Postby MagsJ » Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:18 pm

A Shieldmaiden wrote:No I don't have any tattoos, but that is not what I am saying. It becomes troublesome when people become obssessive about them.

...and very costly.

...admittedly, these men wear them well as they are warriors, (New Zealand Maoris), but when your regular guy is covered in them it sends a different message.
I would get taken aback when I first started seeing legions of overly-tattooed males (and some females) but stopped being so when I came to know that it was just body art, with little or no symbolic meaning, but meaningful to them.

The two Maori men I met at a neighbour's party in the early 00s left an indelible impression in my thoughts... bullish, chauvinistic, demanding ("get me a drink woman") but oh so funny.. I got them and they got me. I haven't met a Maori since.. they seem to still be insular to their own.

The raw emotion being felt during this Haka is evidence of their still-tribal existence, but not a tattoo in sight..

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Re: Why do people get tattoos?

Postby Aussenseite » Tue Mar 07, 2017 10:06 pm

Mictlantecuhtli wrote:Symbolic imagery, art expression, and for some like me an artistic history within symbols of one's own personal life. For me every tattoo I have has a story to tell behind it.


This is why I have mine as well. It's not any different than dressing a certain way to express who you are, or speaking a certain way. Material things can all go away, but I will take my ink, and my story with me to the grave.

If you looked at me, you would never guess I had any. Most people describe me as your next-door-neighbor type, beautifully average and probably boring.

People see you not for who you are, but they see you for who they are.

I don't hide my tattoos per se, I just don't give a fuck what anyone else thinks about them. So I get them in places that mean something to me, and only to me. They are personal to me and to my journey and all relevant to me in aesthetic and beauty.Their true meaning and purpose will go with me to my grave and become ash.

There are people who get tattoo's as fetish, or trend or to feel like they are a part of a group... and that's their journey. But no one walks in anyone's shoes, so why would you judge them by appearance alone?

I have a friend who has "Diabetic" tattooed on both her arms where they would usually do an IV/injection. It saved her life.
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Re: Why do people get tattoos?

Postby A Shieldmaiden » Tue Mar 07, 2017 11:05 pm

Mags wrote:
...admittedly, these men wear them well as they are warriors, (New Zealand Maoris), but when your regular guy is covered in them it sends a different message.
I would get taken aback when I first started seeing legions of overly-tattooed males (and some females) but stopped being so when I came to know that it was just body art, with little or no symbolic meaning, but meaningful to them.

The two Maori men I met at a neighbour's party in the early 00s left an indelible impression in my thoughts... bullish, chauvinistic, demanding ("get me a drink woman") but oh so funny.. I got them and they got me. I haven't met a Maori since.. they seem to still be insular to their own. They are, which is to their credit.

The raw emotion being felt during this Haka is evidence of their still-tribal existence, but not a tattoo in sight..


Thanks for the vid, it was beautiful.

The Maori's are the perfect example of meaningful tattoos and they wear them proudly as I think they may be 'earned'. When they are young they are beautiful physically and like you said the men exude masculinity, the tattoos enhance this. I recommend if you have not already seen 'Once were warriors', but be prepared for tears.

Ta moko - traditional Māori tattooing, often on the face - is a taonga (treasure) to Māori for which the purpose and applications are sacred.

Kirituhi means skin art and describes more general tattooing.

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Somehow. to me, as an observer only, 'white man's facial tattoos' seem to be a poor copy of the above
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Re: Why do people get tattoos?

Postby A Shieldmaiden » Tue Mar 07, 2017 11:41 pm

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This is why I have mine as well. It's not any different than dressing a certain way to express who you are, or speaking a certain way. Material things can all go away, but I will take my ink, and my story with me to the grave.

If you looked at me, you would never guess I had any. Most people describe me as your next-door-neighbor type, beautifully average and probably boring.

People see you not for who you are, but they see you for who they are.

I don't hide my tattoos per se, I just don't give a fuck what anyone else thinks about them. So I get them in places that mean something to me, and only to me. They are personal to me and to my journey and all relevant to me in aesthetic and beauty.Their true meaning and purpose will go with me to my grave and become ash.

There are people who get tattoo's as fetish, or trend or to feel like they are a part of a group... and that's their journey. But no one walks in anyone's shoes, so why would you judge them by appearance alone?

I have a friend who has "Diabetic" tattooed on both her arms where they would usually do an IV/injection. It saved her life.


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Re: Why do people get tattoos?

Postby Magnus Anderson » Wed Mar 08, 2017 12:04 am

Meaningful or not, it's ugly. And I am speaking of Maori.
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Re: Why do people get tattoos?

Postby A Shieldmaiden » Wed Mar 08, 2017 12:11 am

You are a white man.

No tribal instinct left in you.
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Re: Why do people get tattoos?

Postby Magnus Anderson » Wed Mar 08, 2017 12:50 am

Actually, I think I have too much of it. In relation to what is ideal, of course. In relation to some other people, I am sure, I appear as if I have no such instinct at all.

But what does that have to do with anything . . . they are ugly, period.

The fact that you can relate to it means nothing, certainly not that it's beautiful.

You need to make a comparison, decide on what is better, reach closure. Simply being open-minded isn't enough.
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Re: Why do people get tattoos?

Postby A Shieldmaiden » Wed Mar 08, 2017 1:10 am

MA wrote:

Actually, I think I have too much of it.



if I recall correctly, you laid some pseudo claim as to your heritage with the Vikings.

HA!

Look them up and their tribal tattooing.
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Re: Why do people get tattoos?

Postby Magnus Anderson » Wed Mar 08, 2017 11:01 am

You recall incorrectly.
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Re: Why do people get tattoos?

Postby A Shieldmaiden » Wed Mar 08, 2017 8:55 pm

Enlighten me.

What is your ancestry again?
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Re: Why do people get tattoos?

Postby Magnus Anderson » Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:00 pm

1/2 Serb
1/4 Montenegrin
1/4 Herzegovinian

Don't see Norsemen in there.

But there may be some Celts . . . May-be. Noone knows. Slavs mixed with them, rumors have it, and most Serbs have significant percentage of Celtic genes, some claim. I have some Celtic traits, like Celtic skin, and keratosis pilaris, but that means little to nothing.

I mentioned Celts, not Norsemen. And even then, I wasn't serious.
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Re: Why do people get tattoos?

Postby Alf » Thu Mar 09, 2017 12:36 am

Tattoos are ugly.
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Re: Why do people get tattoos?

Postby surreptitious57 » Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:04 am

A Shieldmaiden wrote:
Do tattoos and piercings make women more attractive

I do not like asymmetrical tattoos only symmetrical ones and preferably black in
colour. And only on white women too. Though I prefer women without any at all
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Re: Why do people get tattoos?

Postby woodart » Thu Mar 09, 2017 6:27 pm

The motivation for getting a tattoo is all over the map. Some people what want to mark an event or person or religious/political position. Or just to have art on their body. Or some combination of the above. Having a tattoo is a way to make a statement – first to yourself – then to anyone else who sees it. We all want to express ourselves and be heard by others. We want to clarify what we think and relate that to others. If we don’t relate to others we feel alone – isolated. Being alone is painful. So it seems reasonable to say that one gets a tattoo in order to relate to oneself and others.
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Re: Why do people get tattoos?

Postby Pandora » Fri Mar 10, 2017 9:24 am

Of all the tattoo ideas I've come across, I must say this one is the most memorable! :lol:

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Re: Why do people get tattoos?

Postby A Shieldmaiden » Sat Mar 11, 2017 12:21 am

Well in all sincerity the penis should be revered.

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According to Taoist philosophy, the penis is completely Yang in nature, as the Vagina is completely Yin in nature. It is only when the two are together that there is true balance.
The penis has 5 virtues.
1. The penis is Kind. It exists mainly as a tool for servicing the woman, and in this it keeps on giving and giving.
2. The penis is Righteous. It is not selfish. It performs its duty, yet it is empty on the inside, a hollow tube, with nothing of its own.
3. The penis is Courteous. It is polite. It advances or retreats at the right time. It is hard or soft at the right time. It is shaped neither squarely, nor is it pointed or sharp edged. It will neither hurt nor show lack of discipline.
4. The penis is Wise. It knows how to find a way to please the woman, and it will do whatever is in its power to satisfy her.
5. The penis is Honest. It will keep labouring until it completes its duty. If it cannot fulfill its duty it gives up completely. It is completely honest. If it likes you it stands up straight. If it does not it becomes indifferent.

No wonder women have penis envy. :mrgreen:
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Re: Why do people get tattoos?

Postby Magnus Anderson » Sun Mar 12, 2017 3:23 am

This is much simpler than what Maori guys are wearing -- which is horrific -- but it is nonetheless questionable, purely on aesthetic grounds.

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You no longer see her skin. Instead, you see this artifice. Which is not even interesting or meaningful in some way. One has to ask: why not put it on paper instead? Indeed, it would be much more accessible that way. But no, she has to put it on the back of her arm . . .

It tells some kind of story? Okay, maybe. But why not put it in diary instead? What's the point of writing your stories on your body?

No, it's not meaningful. There is absolutely no sound reason to cover your body with tattoos other than "I am bored".

It is on the same level as some guy walking in the middle of the crowd carrying a sign that says "I AM GAY IF YOU TOO ARE GAY PLEASE COME SAY HI I WANT TO FALL IN LOVE".

Yes, he's expressive; great, he wants to be heard, find himself a soulmate; but how intelligent or civilized is such an approach? Isn't it depressing? Isn't that a sign of social degeneration? Who among the civilized expresses themselves in such a way?
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