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Re: Rumination

Postby Some Guy in History » Mon Apr 10, 2017 6:44 pm

James S Saint wrote:The word "rumination" generally refers to something similar to worry wherein one pointlessly reviews a thought or situation over and over even though nothing could be done about it, perhaps something in the past. So it is different than merely "thinking deeply". It is specifically about thinking pointlessly and possibly dangerously drawing oneself into morbidity or depression. Other kinds of deep thinking have other words.


ru·mi·na·tion
ˌro͞oməˈnāSH(ə)n/
noun
noun: rumination; plural noun: ruminations

1.
a deep or considered thought about something.
"philosophical ruminations about life and humanity"
the action or process of thinking deeply about something.
modifier noun: rumination
"this film stuck out, demanding attention and rumination"
2.
the action of chewing the cud.
"cows slow down their rumination"


There is nothing there that insinuates it being something bad. I almost wonder who among you actually look at definitions or understand context.

con·tem·pla·tion
ˌkän(t)əmˈplāSH(ə)n/
noun
noun: contemplation; plural noun: contemplations

the action of looking thoughtfully at something for a long time.
"the road is too busy for leisurely contemplation of the scenery"
synonyms: viewing, examination, inspection, observation, survey, study, scrutiny
"the contemplation of beautiful objects"
deep reflective thought.
"he would retire to his room for study or contemplation"
synonyms: thought, reflection, meditation, consideration, rumination, deliberation, reverie, introspection, brown study; More
formalcogitation, cerebration
"the monks sat in quiet contemplation"
the state of being thought about or planned.
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Re: Rumination

Postby James S Saint » Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:14 pm

And "Nazi" doesn't necessarily insinuate anything bad either. You might want to wakeup to how words are generally used, not merely how they are pedantically defined. You are discussing issues with typical people, not dictionaries.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
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You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

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Re: Rumination

Postby Some Guy in History » Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:18 pm

James S Saint wrote:And "Nazi" doesn't necessarily insinuate anything bad either. You might want to wakeup to how words are generally used, not merely how they are pedantically defined. You are discussing issues with typical people, not dictionaries.


Those that believe rumination and contemplation to be bad and negative are minorities and not even minorities that matter. Prove me wrong instead of side-stepping and going back to personal insults, you fucking noob.

How many typical people are there that use the words ruminate and contemplate? Do you have an actual estimate instead of going with the flow of the voices and the audience in your head that's cheering you on and hiding their giggles and snorts?

Nazi was a term before it became dragged through the mud. The symbol meant something else before it became dirtied by a mixed-blood man leading with intensity beyond a pure blood a mix-blood company that so happen to have been fighting for a pure-blood race that was supposed to have been better than them and yet couldn't have been because they did not exist in reality? It's like, question it.
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Re: Rumination

Postby James S Saint » Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:45 pm

Some Guy in History wrote:Those that believe rumination and contemplation to be bad and negative are minorities and not even minorities that matter.

Prove it.

You might want to Google search "Rumination vs Contemplation".
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Rumination

Postby Some Guy in History » Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:00 pm

James S Saint wrote:
Some Guy in History wrote:Those that believe rumination and contemplation to be bad and negative are minorities and not even minorities that matter.

Prove it.

You might want to Google search "Rumination vs Contemplation".


Why the Hell would I do that?

You want to try to turn a cult into something as big as the fight between ICP and Eminem? It's intellectual stupidity and I already showed it for what it is. Fuck that.
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Re: Rumination

Postby James S Saint » Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:04 pm

a "cult"?

And the reason that you might "want to do that" is so as to educate yourself.
Or is it that you already "know it all"? :-"
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Rumination

Postby Some Guy in History » Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:09 pm

James S Saint wrote:a "cult"?

And the reason that you might "want to do that" is so as to educate yourself.
Or is it that you already "know it all"? :-"


I'm already educated. I already understand what you're 'trying' to do by giving a bad side to things that are inherently good. I 'see' what you're doing and I don't care for it. It's what idiots do to pass the time while others do real work. I don't have to delve deeply into your idiocy and know every detail of it to see the 'genius' you think it is based on others genius ideas. It IS idiocy and I will call it what it is.
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Re: Rumination

Postby James S Saint » Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:27 pm

Some Guy in History wrote:
James S Saint wrote:a "cult"?

And the reason that you might "want to do that" is so as to educate yourself.
Or is it that you already "know it all"? :-"


I'm already educated.

Then you should be aware of the well known fact that one must at least give the impression of being actually educated if he expects for people to believe that he is. You seem to have missed that class.

Some Guy in History wrote: I already understand what you're 'trying' to do by giving a bad side to things that are inherently good. I 'see' what you're doing and I don't care for it.

And that is called "paranoia" on your part - the act of presuming a negative concerning who is doing what and for what reason.

We have all merely said that the word "ruminate" refers to the negative aspects and that "contemplate" refers more to the positive. We are NOT the ones casting negativity, but isolating it so that it can be seen more clearly for whatever it is (not conflating it into obscurity where it remains a confusion and temptation). You are the one presuming a negative about the people around you (no doubt a strong source of your issues in life).

Some Guy in History wrote: It's what idiots do to pass the time while others do real work. I don't have to delve deeply into your idiocy and know every detail of it to see the 'genius' you think it is based on others genius ideas. It IS idiocy and I will call it what it is.

Your fear of being the idiot does not constitute idiocy in others.

You might want to "contemplate" on that one (or perhaps "ruminate" in your case).
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Rumination

Postby Some Guy in History » Tue Apr 11, 2017 7:28 pm

I have no fear of being the idiot. If you could actually prove me wrong, I would admit to being wrong. Instead, you find so many other things to argue instead of the actuality. So... quit fucking around before I quit being nice about it.
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Re: Rumination

Postby Meno_ » Wed Apr 12, 2017 3:58 am

Actually being the idiot is not such a worrisome thing for one of the greatest books ever written by the greatest writers of all time is titled that. So let me start the bandwagon rolling by declaring the Idiot not only a prototype of a hidden form ,the anti hero, but the symbolic inception of existentialism.

I don't mind saying, conceivably to my credit, that trying to put a positive spin on things is a good thing, overcoming lots of negatives.
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Re: Rumination

Postby Magnus Anderson » Fri Apr 14, 2017 1:34 pm

Some Guy in History wrote:Those that believe rumination and contemplation to be bad and negative are minorities and not even minorities that matter. Prove me wrong instead of side-stepping and going back to personal insults, you fucking noob.


Not contemplation, only rumination. From my experience, these are generally psychotherapists and people who visit them. I don't see what's the big deal anyway. It's not like they are saying deep thought is bad.
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Re: Rumination

Postby Some Guy in History » Fri Apr 14, 2017 6:14 pm

Magnus Anderson wrote:
Some Guy in History wrote:Those that believe rumination and contemplation to be bad and negative are minorities and not even minorities that matter. Prove me wrong instead of side-stepping and going back to personal insults, you fucking noob.


Not contemplation, only rumination. From my experience, these are generally psychotherapists and people who visit them. I don't see what's the big deal anyway. It's not like they are saying deep thought is bad.


No, just insinuating. When you understand what being psychotic means, it's not a bad thing, but if you look at someone labeled as psychotic on paperwork, it sounds like something you don't want. It's got 'psycho' right in it. Psychotic. Yeah, not something good. It's taking the word and flipping it over to show the worst aspects and capitalize on that as a negative to knock people down. It's the same thing they were working on doing with their limited understanding of rumination AND contemplation. All it really takes is to pay attention to the conversation instead of just jumping in to get their back.

At the very least when I, myself, jump into a conversation, I do actually say things pertinent to the original post if not the ongoing conversation. Those that can't tell the difference... it's like, it IS still survival of the fittest and those most able to adapt. Don't you all think it's time you actually started trying to discern the differences?
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Re: Rumination

Postby Meno_ » Fri Apr 14, 2017 8:02 pm

Adapting by way of a tedious and long evolutionary changes via intelligent choice making does lead to higher intelligence, which makes such discernment possible.

The faster way is jumping in through an instant recognition of relevance, even before such discernment becomes apparent.
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Re: Rumination

Postby Some Guy in History » Fri Apr 14, 2017 8:03 pm

Sure, the animal, by instinct, does that much. But we're not at this point because the animal won out in terms of just doing things. The animal won out in wanting to know how shit got done, to understand it.
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Re: Rumination

Postby Meno_ » Fri Apr 14, 2017 8:19 pm

Some Guy in History wrote:Sure, the animal, by instinct, does that much. But we're not at this point because the animal won out in terms of just doing things. The animal won out in wanting to know how shit got done, to understand it.



We have gone through it periodically, but have been unable to sustain it. But memory is the culprit, it's still there except on an archaic level.
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Re: Rumination

Postby Some Guy in History » Sat Apr 15, 2017 6:14 pm

jerkey wrote:
Some Guy in History wrote:Sure, the animal, by instinct, does that much. But we're not at this point because the animal won out in terms of just doing things. The animal won out in wanting to know how shit got done, to understand it.



We have gone through it periodically, but have been unable to sustain it. But memory is the culprit, it's still there except on an archaic level.


We're still in motion; give it time. It's only been three years since I woke up, what more do you demand?
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Re: Rumination

Postby Arcturus Descending » Sat Apr 15, 2017 8:00 pm

Some Guy in History wrote:
jerkey wrote:
Some Guy in History wrote:Sure, the animal, by instinct, does that much. But we're not at this point because the animal won out in terms of just doing things. The animal won out in wanting to know how shit got done, to understand it.



We have gone through it periodically, but have been unable to sustain it. But memory is the culprit, it's still there except on an archaic level.


We're still in motion; give it time. It's only been three years since I woke up, what more do you demand?


Are you fully awake now? Are you sure? :-k
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If I thought that everything I did was determined by my circumstancse and my psychological condition, I would feel trapped.


What we take ourselves to be doing when we think about what is the case or how we should act is something that cannot be reconciled with a reductive naturalism, for reasons distinct from those that entail the irreducibility of consciousness. It is not merely the subjectivity of thought but its capacity to transcend subjectivity and to discover what is objectively the case that presents a problem....Thought and reasoning are correct or incorrect in virtue of something independent of the thinker's beliefs, and even independent of the community of thinkers to which he belongs.

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Re: Rumination

Postby Some Guy in History » Sat Apr 15, 2017 8:02 pm

let me tell you something. I'm getting a lot of pussy in the mind and spirit, but not the body. I assure you that I am very awake.
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Re: Rumination

Postby Arcturus Descending » Mon Apr 24, 2017 2:28 pm

Some Guy in History wrote:let me tell you something. I'm getting a lot of pussy in the mind and spirit, but not the body. I assure you that I am very awake.


The above alone tells me that you are not fully awake - that you are indeed half asleep but then again, to my way of thinking, no one is always fully awake except at certain times, during moments of meditation, contemplation, reflection.

Perhaps those who walk through life believing that they are fully awake or awake are those who are indeed half asleep. But again that is just my thinking.
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If I thought that everything I did was determined by my circumstancse and my psychological condition, I would feel trapped.


What we take ourselves to be doing when we think about what is the case or how we should act is something that cannot be reconciled with a reductive naturalism, for reasons distinct from those that entail the irreducibility of consciousness. It is not merely the subjectivity of thought but its capacity to transcend subjectivity and to discover what is objectively the case that presents a problem....Thought and reasoning are correct or incorrect in virtue of something independent of the thinker's beliefs, and even independent of the community of thinkers to which he belongs.

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Re: Rumination

Postby Meno_ » Tue Apr 25, 2017 4:29 am

Not yours alone, Arc, a Zen Master concurs with You, not in those exact words, but close: substitute ' Enlightened' for 'Awake'.
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Re: Rumination

Postby WW_III_ANGRY » Tue Apr 25, 2017 8:10 pm

Yes anyone who thinks rumination is negative has a problem with language and as such will have a poor time understanding reality.

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Re: Rumination

Postby WendyDarling » Tue Apr 25, 2017 8:38 pm

The negative connotations become apparent in the psychological fields where rumination is...
Rumination refers to the tendency to repetitively think about the causes, situational factors, and consequences of one's negative emotional experience (Nolen-Hoeksema, 1991). Basically, rumination means that you continuously think about the various aspects of situations that are upsetting.Feb 24, 2010
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Re: Rumination

Postby WW_III_ANGRY » Tue Apr 25, 2017 8:48 pm

WendyDarling wrote:The negative connotations become apparent in the psychological fields where rumination is...
Rumination refers to the tendency to repetitively think about the causes, situational factors, and consequences of one's negative emotional experience (Nolen-Hoeksema, 1991). Basically, rumination means that you continuously think about the various aspects of situations that are upsetting.Feb 24, 2010


That is technical jargon.

There are two senses of the word; Consider the whole. We are not in the field of psychology here.
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Re: Rumination

Postby WendyDarling » Tue Apr 25, 2017 9:37 pm

Ruminating, dwelling, brooding are quite similar to me, always have been, but I see that it is also defined without any negative connotations. It's meaning will have to be clarified from here on out.
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Re: Rumination

Postby Some Guy in History » Mon May 01, 2017 7:32 pm

Arcturus Descending wrote:
Some Guy in History wrote:let me tell you something. I'm getting a lot of pussy in the mind and spirit, but not the body. I assure you that I am very awake.


The above alone tells me that you are not fully awake - that you are indeed half asleep but then again, to my way of thinking, no one is always fully awake except at certain times, during moments of meditation, contemplation, reflection.

Perhaps those who walk through life believing that they are fully awake or awake are those who are indeed half asleep. But again that is just my thinking.


I really think that you're getting too caught up in the fantasy-style vague-romance of it all that distracts from what I said it as. I'm not getting laid physically. I'm not getting a lot of things that I want and need physically. That makes me very much 'awake' for all that it means, and 'aware', for all of what that means. It means I'm still as much allergic to bullshit as I ever was. Now knock your shit off.
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