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Postby mannikin » Thu Feb 23, 2017 12:30 pm

What is the foundation of rumination?
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Re: Rumination

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Thu Feb 23, 2017 5:24 pm

Sexual frustration.
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Re: Rumination

Postby Along The Way » Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:23 pm

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We don't ruminate if we're doing something meaningful.
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Re: Rumination

Postby mannikin » Mon Feb 27, 2017 10:50 pm

how can something be meaningful if youre depressed
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Re: Rumination

Postby WendyDarling » Tue Feb 28, 2017 5:49 am

Fear is the basis of rumination (psychological def.) from having missed dotting all the i's and crossing the t's to mortality.
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Re: Rumination

Postby Magnus Anderson » Wed Mar 01, 2017 5:31 pm

Rumination means "thinking deeply about something".
How can that be bad on its own?
It can't.

Maybe you mean over-thinking which means "trying to think through too many things at once".

Over-thinking is overwhelming.
You resolve it by slowing it down.
By turning it off.
By relaxing, meditating, etc.
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Re: Rumination

Postby Some Guy in History » Wed Mar 01, 2017 8:01 pm

Deep thinking used to bring answers, enlightenment, knowledge of the living universe. Those who were loners, often alone, found much in those places of thought and it took a while for those who weren't loners to find alone time to 'ruminate' beyond a certain point, but they were pushed by those loners.

Saruman: "The Dwarves delved too greedily and too deep. You know what they awoke in the darkness of Khazad-dûm: Shadow and Flame!"


There came a time when they weren't impressed by the thoughts of invention that peppered their minds here and there, weren't impressed with the romance, the love, the valleys and mountains, forests and oceans, deserts, etc. When they were no longer impressed looking at the great cities of the mind or creating their own there and weren't content at the pace that nature told them they would need to move at as a species, together, to reach those cities, and that those living would not be alive then. They pressed the universe, forced themselves upon and through reality; did indeed delve too deep and greedily and became the enemies of reality as they wove together and refined and defined the spells and magics of manipulations, fire and ice and dust and wind; the wild and the tame; worked to control illness and health, life and death and they awoke in those deep places a nameless dread, a fierce and fiery anger that was darker than they every knew. Early races worked together to build a tower to the heavens to escape the Hell in the land; that tower was called 'Babel', or 'babble', as in the great cacophony of chaotic voices chanting, making no sense, but like a river winding and bubbling; every chattering. They found no solace in their tower, for near to completion, it towered above the land, high above it where the air began to grow thin and still they pushed onward and upward, creating a singular language for them all to share; a common-speak to bypass the barriers of their own learning and growth, for they had been brought together, heightened by power and energy to become Gods of their time and still seeking to displace the God on most-high. The barrier that divides us from space, our atmosphere, combined with the coincidence of so many other things, smacked them down; destroyed their tower in a great thundering as lightning split the sky and it slowly crumbled into dust over the ages as they were scattered and so 'Babel'; 'Babble', split them again. In their fear and deep shock, they retreated deep within their own races, their own groups, retreated deep and left the barriers up, for now they feared without more than within and hastily; in their fear; rushed back into the depths of the mind and spirit, divided by language, distrust; and bound together by mutual secrets and fears.

Unto this modern age where again they began to fear the depths of thought, began to soar outwardly without fear and began to learn the secrets of a universe now much wiser and less trusting.

But still, they are afraid, these humans and, not just humans, but everything. No longer do we build towers to the heavens; no longer do we build cities over oceans and lakes to prove we are mightier than nature. Such marvels as a city on water exists, but not to prove that we are mightier than nature, but to exercise artistic license. We no longer seek to match nature with its intricate beauty; even our most stunning achievement, a system of checks and balances used by the US is but pale imitation and in far limited degree to our own reality and it is staggering beyond belief and not anything that we could have come up with on our own. They say that the Egyptians could not have created the pyramids on their own and I said why not? They said that the Egyptians would have had to use pulleys and ropes and that that was beyond their level of civilization and yet they also had irrigation, which was supposed to have been beyond them, but even without ropes and pulleys, it was deemed to be impossible to move those big blocks and they forget so easily the whips at our backs, the sheer necessity to get done and the shining leaders of those people, Ramses the damned most noted among them. They worked out in that blazing sun for their God, Ra; they bent their backs under the whips, sweated their rust, those golems of flesh and blood and they pushed beyond the boundaries of the flesh. It is right they couldn't have done it without help, but it wasn't necessarily aliens, though it could have been, to dip into conspiracy theorism, but just the same; an excess of spirit does incredible things, grants extreme power to a mite, where a toddler can swim a mile out to save a parent and a mile back without being tired; a man or woman filled with an 'adrenaline rush' can flip a car over on their own. Just the same, humanity quite brazenly did design its own societies, and yet there is ever the circumstantial evidence that we are not alone, all around us, supporting our faiths, our mysteries, our beliefs in things beyond what we can see, hear, taste, touch with our physical senses. The energy that fills and consumes, the thoughts that flit, and the flesh that is either willing or unwilling or indecisive.

But, rumination began a long time ago for many reasons. It began from many sources, not just one and came together throughout the ages as mankind brought itself up from the primordial soup we claim to have climbed out of and yet dinosaurs existed before us, they came first and then evolved down into the animals we have now. Mankind did not crawl out of that soup; it did not even crawl out of the ocean as those evolution posts show, and might not have passed through just monkeys and apes to stand upright, might have passed through worms, birds, dogs, cats; etc. Rumination, deep-thinking, the causes behind it have technically always existed and yet each being; each entity; each person; comes into deep-thinking and rumination for their own reasons, even if those reasons are repeats of what's already been done and each one does it in their own unique way no matter how similar it might appear and does this not strike you as being perfectly reasonable if you push all barriers to the side and actually believe in mental and spiritual time travel, believe that thoughts of invention have been passed to the past, or side-to-side, or from a distance; that creations have never been just the creation of the beings and entities that have pushed them out, that they flowed through, but the children of so many beings and entities, culminating in the breach that causes them to be pushed out into 'creation'? Therefore it stands that rumination has always been the search for answers and when those answers no longer soothed, the pushing to create again, create anew; to redefine and refine and then of course, to safeguard and protect or forbid and ensure nobody can make use of the knowledge again for it can only be used for 'evil', or so the original thinkers dared claim and state and perhaps they lived, some of them, in our age of the world, our eon and epoch of time and space; perhaps in others and yet still just on the same level, proving for all the world that we have not evolved at all and only have gone in circles, while the evolution that we know of as evolution is only adaptation and pushing to become what we know already that we can become, mixed in with the self-same traps of the minds and spirits of what's possible in spirit realities and what might be possible in reality.

Is it any wonder we now live in an age where people don't allow themselves to think and don't allow others, say that we think too much or think too deeply, make fun of us, dog us for it, that people would rather push outward out of themselves than to go inward where the thoughts lay in a reasoning engine long left to gather dust only to have come back to life much to the dismay of them all, kicking up demons and spirits long considered dead and gone, or broken; all to fight a new fight in the modern age against 'fifth dimension' mechanics of complexity and complication with 'third dimension' physicality and insight.

If you want the full history of rumination, you must go to the future, too; to the sides, to note that time does not flow just in linear fashion, though it is always linear, no matter how it travels; to itself at the least. To the underlayers and overlayers of reality, to the alternates and to their futures and their pasts and to each individual and the differences there in perception and perspective. If you want truth at all, then there are paths you tread as you search for truth, though truly you will not understand it or grasp it fully until the search for truth finally leaves you and you no longer care, because your search becomes a search for power, knowledge; rushed through; of wisdom without wisdom. All of this was came up with in the moment without prethought, without rumination on my part. Just, in the moment, have never given some of these thoughts much thought at all and see them as they flow through me, the conduit for them to grace this conversation. They came from many sources all in one moment to come together into this post; this reply. Is that not evidence enough of some of the things said here, at the least? It should be. Evidence of some truth, some power, some... thing... beyond what we care to establish as fact for the 'mindless' masses that kindly flip us off and tell us to kiss their asses.
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Re: Rumination

Postby WendyDarling » Wed Mar 01, 2017 10:33 pm

Fear motivates people to dwell on ideas/thoughts intently before their time to triumph over those fears expires. Rumination is the negative of contemplation.
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Re: Rumination

Postby Some Guy in History » Thu Mar 02, 2017 7:11 pm

WendyDarling wrote:Fear motivates people to dwell on ideas/thoughts intently before their time to triumph over those fears expires. Rumination is the negative of contemplation.


not entirely true. I could see where it might have come to have that meaning for another walk of life, but for the walk of life I've come from, ruminating would be the positive side of dwelling which usually drags people down into negativity and pessimism and fear.
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Re: Rumination

Postby Arcturus Descending » Sat Apr 08, 2017 6:22 pm

WendyDarling wrote:Fear is the basis of rumination (psychological def.) from having missed dotting all the i's and crossing the t's to mortality.


That sounds more like negative obsessive thought, Wendy, like having the inability to detach from something brought on by unresolved fear of some sort. But that could be one answer and you're correct, fear or some unconscious thing triggering fear could be the basis of that or some physical or chemical unbalance in the brain.


The basis of rumination can be different things depending on who it is who is ruminating and what they are ruminating about. More along positive lines, sometimes one's imagination can be the basis of rumination. I might look up at the sky and begin to wonder how the universe actually came into existence (which happens with me quite often) and that would cause me to begin to ruminate, to really dive into my thoughts, like a cow chewing on his cud.

I might be sitting in front of the ocean and begin to consider how the world would look (I've done this on occasion - I find it to be quite interesting) if all of the Earth's waters (oceans, rivers, et cetera) were drained and I could walk on the bottom of all of them. Of course, that would be a very difficult task if not impossible. But I've wondered and considered what that dry land would actually look like.

So, one's imagination or sense of wonderment or a subject which hold's one interested or fascinated popping up in one's mind can lead one to ruminating/to be the basis of that rumination.

A seed is planted in the brain and sprouts roots....
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Re: Rumination

Postby Arcturus Descending » Sat Apr 08, 2017 6:34 pm

Some guy in History,


but for the walk of life I've come from, .


What walk of life is that, if I might ask? You don't really have to answer though.


ruminating would be the positive side of dwelling which usually drags people down into negativity and pessimism and fear


Gee, does it get any more positive than that? :evilfun:

If it drags people down into those three things which you listed, what is so positive about that kind of dwelling or ruminating? I grant you that depending on what one is dwelling on, it might but if it is something positive how does one get from the positive to the pessimistic and fearful?

:-k Okay...

Well, I suppose if someone is ruminating about the great love of their life, their journey together, how much they love a particular person, to the point that it begins to create a fear of losing in them, that might bring them down to doom and gloom. But then perhaps all one needs to do is to "ruminate' lol on how grateful they are for that person, what that person means to them and they might not go into the depth but rise into the heights.
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Re: Rumination

Postby Some Guy in History » Sat Apr 08, 2017 6:42 pm

Arcturus Descending wrote:What walk of life is that, if I might ask? You don't really have to answer though.


I was born in darkness. I was bred in Hellfire. I had no choice. I had no regular dreams, no bright and shiny fantasies. I never knew what it meant to be anything but a carrier of darkness and contagion and plague that so many did not want. And, to me, that was natural. It never occurred to me to ask for sympathy or to accept pity. Hell, I never knew there could be brighter things before recently.
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Re: Rumination

Postby Some Guy in History » Sat Apr 08, 2017 6:54 pm

You all said ruminating was negative and faulty. Paraphrasing. All I did was correct you. Both ruminating and contemplating are good things, but then you're probably just acting like kids, already know this and are just purposefully being stupid thinking you're smart. But then, that might be giving you all too much credit, so please excuse me as I begin to treat you like the stupid and ignorant pieces of shit you are or are pretending to be. To me there won't be any difference even if there is a difference.
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Re: Rumination

Postby Arcturus Descending » Sat Apr 08, 2017 6:59 pm

Some Guy in History wrote:
Arcturus Descending wrote:What walk of life is that, if I might ask? You don't really have to answer though.


I was born in darkness. I was bred in Hellfire. I had no choice. I had no regular dreams, no bright and shiny fantasies. I never knew what it meant to be anything but a carrier of darkness and contagion and plague that so many did not want. And, to me, that was natural. It never occurred to me to ask for sympathy or to accept pity. Hell, I never knew there could be brighter things before recently.


What mythological creature do you most associate yourself with?
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Re: Rumination

Postby Arcturus Descending » Sat Apr 08, 2017 7:14 pm

Some Guy in History wrote:You all said ruminating was negative and faulty. Paraphrasing. All I did was correct you. Both ruminating and contemplating are good things, but then you're probably just acting like kids, already know this and are just purposefully being stupid thinking you're smart. But then, that might be giving you all too much credit, so please excuse me as I begin to treat you like the stupid and ignorant pieces of shit you are or are pretending to be. To me there won't be any difference even if there is a difference.


Point to where I said that it was negative and faulty.

What I did basically do at one point is show an instance where the positive could become the negative.
I have found that ruminating and contemplating ARE good things, vital things.

But then, that might be giving you all too much credit, so please excuse me as I begin to treat you like the stupid and ignorant pieces of shit you are or are pretending to be.


Is this what comes from your ruminations? Like spitting into the wind.
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Re: Rumination

Postby Some Guy in History » Sat Apr 08, 2017 7:57 pm

Changing your posts after the fact doesnt change the fact. This conversation is over. Fuck off.
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Re: Rumination

Postby Arcturus Descending » Sat Apr 08, 2017 8:49 pm

Some Guy in History wrote:Changing your posts after the fact doesnt change the fact.


My posts weren't changed. I just went a step further with a thought.
That is ALSO the nature of rumination.

This conversation is over.


Which causes me to ruminate some. :evilfun:


Fuck off.


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Re: Rumination

Postby Meno_ » Sun Apr 09, 2017 8:10 am

Some guy; may I refer you to my sandbox forum blog on logic and language, where coincidentally I brought in a lot of elements you are entertaining? Specifically fear, escape from fear into the darkness. These very metaphors play strongly here as well, but they are very deeply hidden, and need to be uncovered

Please see how close the resemblance is, that Arc tried to uncover, and as such, it is painful, it's been done to me, it is currently is being done to me, but it is something which hasn't be done

Would you look at my doting and see the connections there, and oddly I wrote it just about the time you did


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Re: Rumination

Postby Mr Reasonable » Sun Apr 09, 2017 11:35 am

2 things.

1) Anime is gay. Grow the fuck up.

2) I thought this thread was about "ruination" an amazing beer made by Stone Brewing.
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Postby Mr Reasonable » Sun Apr 09, 2017 11:37 am

And I don't mean gay in the sense of putting a penis into a man's asshole. I mean it in the pejorative sense. As in, "Anime is gay. Grow the fuck up."
You see...a pimp's love is very different from that of a square.
Dating a stripper is like eating a noisy bag of chips in church. Everyone looks at you in disgust, but deep down they want some too.

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Re: Rumination

Postby Mr Reasonable » Sun Apr 09, 2017 11:38 am

Like every time I see that shit I'm like..."here is a person who expects to be taken as an adult while revering some fucking cartoons." Idiots.
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Re: Rumination

Postby Mr Reasonable » Sun Apr 09, 2017 11:40 am

Some guy in history, I've been here for like a decade or so. I've seen 100 morons come and go. You are the biggest moron I have ever seen here. Your sense of self worth is so dramatically disproportionate with you abilities as a thinker. Every time you get hostile, you look like a fool. No one likes you, and it isn't because of your ideas. Its because you are an idiot and an asshole.
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Re: Rumination

Postby mannikin » Sun Apr 09, 2017 5:47 pm

I think it's worse than that, he seems psychotic and delusional, he needs some serious help.
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Re: Rumination

Postby Some Guy in History » Sun Apr 09, 2017 9:25 pm

You guys are just jealous. If you keep it up, I might have to share some of my crazies with you just to shut you up.
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Re: Rumination

Postby James S Saint » Mon Apr 10, 2017 10:28 am

The word "rumination" generally refers to something similar to worry wherein one pointlessly reviews a thought or situation over and over even though nothing could be done about it, perhaps something in the past. So it is different than merely "thinking deeply". It is specifically about thinking pointlessly and possibly dangerously drawing oneself into morbidity or depression. Other kinds of deep thinking have other words.
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