What Is Anger, and Why Should We Care?

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Re: What Is Anger, and Why Should We Care?

Postby A Shieldmaiden » Thu Dec 29, 2016 9:03 am

Researchers have found that behaviors such as anger, hostility and aggression may be genetic, rooted in variations in a serotonin receptor gene, which may explain why there are several members of a family who have anger problems.

Or why a person could be deemed innocent of all the consequences.
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Re: What Is Anger, and Why Should We Care?

Postby The Golden Turd » Thu Dec 29, 2016 9:24 am

No on the latter. It isn't neural modulators that is the Hallmark of our type, but inhibitors. We're a big old fucking operators switchboard for the mind. Serotonin High or Low isn't the issue, but how we channel that impulse. Someone too young, too stupid (as in retarded) are blameless, but we otherwise learn literally how to control ourselves in situ,and if we find we can't, learn by a certain age certain situations and crowds are best avoided. I know a guy with tourettes syndrome, impulsice OCD, his disorder crisscrosses over my area alot, so I can catch inside aspects of his thinking. He also has a gambling addiction. Nobody expects him to control his mouth,but we expect him to avoid gambling. He has seen the movie Out Of The Furnace, says it isnt realistic, he wouod know, he essentially is "that guy".

He also has a bizarre pantyhose fetish, makes strippers put a new pair on each time.... thats avoidable too. Cursing in the backroom, barking incessantly isn't. Its a very fucking funny disorder. Walmart cashiers see him coming with those pantyhose, ask for cash back, all in ones.... they know.
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Re: What Is Anger, and Why Should We Care?

Postby Magnus Anderson » Thu Dec 29, 2016 11:07 am

Any emotion left uncontrolled becomes a problem. Not only anger. The reason anger is singled out is due to the predominance of passive mindset.

There are two ways in which a passive mindset can judge anger as being fundamentally bad:

1. Because people who are angry are quite likely to cause harm to others, and because passive people judge the worth of actions based on the kind of effect they would have if they were directed at them, anger is judged as negative. In plain terms, anger is bad because someone who is angry at you makes you feel uncomfortable.

2. Because anger is mentally and physically demanding, and because passive people are mentally and physically weak, they have no experience of healthy anger. Instead, they only have experience of frustrated and/or lightheaded anger. Furthermore, if they have no memory of healthy anger, and if they cannot resolve frustrated and/or lightheaded anger without eliminating anger altogether, then they have no choice but to confuse the two: frustration (and/or lightheadedness) and anger. Thus, they think, anger is bad, because anger is equal to frustration (and/or lightheadedness), since when you eliminate anger you eliminate frustration/lightheadedness (but you also eliminate frustration/lightheadedness when you eliminate life, and yet, few argue that life equals frustration/lightheadedness.)

Anger, like every other emotion, is neutral per se. It acquires value only when you relate it to its actor, namely, when you measure the effect it has on its actor.

Anger, like every other emotion, is bad only when it is uncontrolled or misdirected.
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Re: What Is Anger, and Why Should We Care?

Postby MagsJ » Thu Dec 29, 2016 11:33 am

Magnus Anderson wrote:Anger, like every other emotion, is bad only when it is uncontrolled or misdirected.

There's a lot of that about.. the main type of anger in current climes from my experience and observations, but denial is strong until it is too late and damage has been done and relationships ruined. I do think that drugs has a lot to do with misdirected anger, but again.. denial is also strong in those with misdirected anger issues during their weeks or months of comedown.

The modern terminology for all such types is 'toxic people'... probably because they are literally full of toxins (amphetamines, opioids, whatever other amines / ioids).

I mainly get angry at shitty technology... definitely not misdirected ;)
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Re: What Is Anger, and Why Should We Care?

Postby WendyDarling » Fri Dec 30, 2016 8:43 am

What modern technology isn't Turdish?
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Re: What Is Anger, and Why Should We Care?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Thu Jan 05, 2017 4:15 pm

A Shieldmaiden,

Do you think anger/temper is a learned behavior?


I wouldn't necessarily use the word "learned" behavior.
It's more of an unconscious inner reaction to some kind of stimulus or trigger.
Patterns from childhood which we haven't been able to "see" and transcend are more instinctive, no?

I don't know - perhaps the above can be seen as learned behavior.
Is instinct learned behavior?

Anger doesn't have to be a negative. It just depends on what is provoking the anger and what behavior occurs as a result of it.
If the anger has an intelligent response and one strives to keep it in check, to be more balanced and restrained in its expression, and is directed towards a greater good than it is a positive anger and a conscious one.
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Re: What Is Anger, and Why Should We Care?

Postby surreptitious57 » Fri Jan 06, 2017 1:23 am

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Anger needs an outlet having a go at Turd is mine which does not faze him for he is waste material anyway so all is right in the world. Do I need to trash him more often for his trash talking judgments of pretty much everyone else? He merits my anger and theirs since his unhappiness and dissatisfaction always surfaces in his philosophical trolling? Protective feelings have developed for other members who he maligns with regularity. Am I too angry or is this natural in regards to Turd

Turd does not make me angry me at all. As a wise and educated man I very much value his contribution to the forum
He also has a very dry sense of humour like mine. After Trixie he is my favourite poster here so hope he stays for life

I deal with my own anger by being open minded and isolated from other human beings and not worrying about things that are beyond my control
I realise that I am only passing through this life and that nothing really matters in the grand scheme of things and therefore anger is unnecessary
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Re: What Is Anger, and Why Should We Care?

Postby A Shieldmaiden » Fri Jan 06, 2017 1:26 am

I realise that I am only passing through this life and that nothing really matters in the grand scheme of things and therefore anger is unnecessary


From what I recall you live an almost solitary existence.

Who is there to make you angry?
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Re: What Is Anger, and Why Should We Care?

Postby surreptitious57 » Fri Jan 06, 2017 1:35 am

Being a loner does not automatically immunise one from anger but it can however reduce it significantly
And as an emotional being I cannot eliminate any emotion but can keep the negative ones to a minimum
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Re: What Is Anger, and Why Should We Care?

Postby A Shieldmaiden » Fri Jan 06, 2017 1:59 am

What's there to be angry about when you are living a solitary existence, except perhaps you can't get the lid of a jar.
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Re: What Is Anger, and Why Should We Care?

Postby surreptitious57 » Fri Jan 06, 2017 2:25 am

Memories can trigger anger as can the way of the world regardless of how one lives
But as I said it can be reduced significantly if one is a loner so that is what I choose
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Re: What Is Anger, and Why Should We Care?

Postby A Shieldmaiden » Fri Jan 06, 2017 9:33 pm

surreptitious57 wrote:
Memories can trigger anger as can the way of the world regardless of how one lives
But as I said it can be reduced significantly if one is a loner so that is what I choose


I would have thought the opposite would apply, being alone affords one the opportunity to concentrate exclusively, to go over and over the details.
Are memories so powerful?
Solitude is the gasoline on the fire.
Time is the smouldering remains.
Is anger something to be ashamed of, something other people should never witness?
Is suppression of anger healthy and displays of unhealthy.
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Re: What Is Anger, and Why Should We Care?

Postby surreptitious57 » Sat Jan 07, 2017 1:40 am

A Shieldmaiden wrote:
Is suppression of anger healthy

Suppression is most definitely unhealthy

Instead one should confront their demons and make peace with them
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Re: What Is Anger, and Why Should We Care?

Postby A Shieldmaiden » Sat Jan 07, 2017 11:57 pm

Do you believe that anxiety or fear is more tolerable than anger?
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Re: What Is Anger, and Why Should We Care?

Postby Pandora » Sun Jan 08, 2017 6:36 am

There is a lot of provocation in adversarial politics. The one who loses his cool also loses his moral ground and is labeled the bad guy.

Unless you're doing a preemptive strike in self-defense. :lol:
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Re: What Is Anger, and Why Should We Care?

Postby surreptitious57 » Sun Jan 08, 2017 9:09 am

A Shieldmaiden wrote:
Do you believe that anxiety or fear is more tolerable than anger

Anxiety is definitely more tolerable than anger because it can be controlled better
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Re: What Is Anger, and Why Should We Care?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:28 pm

A Shieldmaiden wrote:
I realise that I am only passing through this life and that nothing really matters in the grand scheme of things and therefore anger is unnecessary


From what I recall you live an almost solitary existence.

Who is there to make you angry?


Let's not forget that his life is not that solitary. He posts on ILP and it might be possible that he has both television and radio. All three are influences which might contribute to anger if he allows it, if he allows this and that to get to him. I don't think he lives in a vacuum.
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If I thought that everything I did was determined by my circumstancse and my psychological condition, I would feel trapped.


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Re: What Is Anger, and Why Should We Care?

Postby -1- » Sun Jan 15, 2017 1:05 am

Maniacal Mongoose wrote:What modern technology isn't Turdish?

Tooth implants. They are cool.

And slippers.
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Re: What Is Anger, and Why Should We Care?

Postby -1- » Sun Jan 15, 2017 1:10 am

A Shieldmaiden wrote:I realise that I am only passing through this life and that nothing really matters in the grand scheme of things and therefore anger is unnecessary


I contest that anger is voluntary. You can control your behaviour, but you can't control your emotions. At least not directly.

It is true that anger is unnecessary. But you get angry anyhow. It's not in you to stop your own anger. Unless it's in you, like in some people.

People often don't recognize the difference between angry behaviour and anger. If more people recognized that, there would be no discussion here on anger right now.

Angry behaviour is emotional and social. Anger, the feeling, is only emotional.
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Re: What Is Anger, and Why Should We Care?

Postby -1- » Sun Jan 15, 2017 1:13 am

A Shieldmaiden wrote:Do you believe that anxiety or fear is more tolerable than anger?


In absolutes, the answer is undeterminable. Because all three manifest on a scale of intensity. Intense anger is worse than mild anxiety; and intense anxiety is worse than mild anger.
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Re: What Is Anger, and Why Should We Care?

Postby Magnus Anderson » Sun Jan 15, 2017 2:40 am

If you're asking questions such as "is emotion X more tolerable than emotion Y?" then it means you have a problem regulating your emotions.

Though, it is true, you might find certain emotions easier to regulate than others.

My point being that no emotion that is regulated is a problem.

In general, no action that is regulated is a problem.

The kind of action -- irrelevant.
The intensity of action -- irrelevant.

What is relevant?
Whether it is regulated or not.

Regulated/unregulated determines good/bad.

What does it mean that an action is regulated?
That it corresponds to the expected.

Before one acts, one forms an expectation of how one will act. This expectation, this prediction, is what we call goal.

Good means the outcome matches the expectation.

Bad means the outcome does not match the expectation.

We make expectations, we posit goals, every step of the way.

Every step is a goal.
Every step is preceded by an expectation and then compared against it in order to determine whether it is a success or a failure.

This applies to emotions.
Before emotions kick in, we have certain expectations.
And if our emotions contradict these expectations, then we feel overwhelmed.

The solution is to understand your emotions.
To map them so that you can predict them in the future.
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Re: What Is Anger, and Why Should We Care?

Postby A Shieldmaiden » Sun Jan 15, 2017 5:42 am

A Shieldmaiden wrote:
I realise that I am only passing through this life and that nothing really matters in the grand scheme of things and therefore anger is unnecessary



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Re: What Is Anger, and Why Should We Care?

Postby surreptitious57 » Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:08 am

Arcturus Descending wrote:
Lets not forget that his life is not that solitary. He posts on ILP and it might be possible that he has both television and radio. All three
are influences which might contribute to anger if he allows it if he allows this and that to get to him. I dont think he lives in a vacuum

I may not live in a vacuum but I am a loner and have no family or friends and spend most of my time on my own. I post here and elsewhere
because I am interested in diversity of opinion and particular subject matter. I do not really let anything anyone says on television or radio
or the internet affect me. I am practically unshockable. Any anger I do experience is put out very quickly so is kept to an absolute minimum
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Re: What Is Anger, and Why Should We Care?

Postby A Shieldmaiden » Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:38 am

I was watching the series "The Fall' and the quote below was mentioned.

“Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them.” Margaret Atwood, author

Violence is essentially a male domain, I am not saying women do not get angry, "a woman scorned and all that", but the 'experts' say women handle emotion differently. There is for example, quite a bit of anger directed towards feminist groups, by men and this is an indication that men's anger towards women is still very much alive and well. One just has to source relevant topics on this, on online Forums and there is no holding back by men to say things they probably would not say in real life about women.

That quote resonated in me and I thought there was an element of truth in it, women are afraid of what men can do to them.

Whereas, "men are afraid that women will laugh at them", what say you men, is this true?
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Re: What Is Anger, and Why Should We Care?

Postby surreptitious57 » Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:02 am

A Shieldmaiden wrote:
Women are afraid that men will kill them Margaret Atwood

Specifically insecure men with a propensity for violence although all men [ and women ] have the capacity to kill
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