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Re: Heart

Postby Arcturus Descending » Fri Jul 29, 2016 5:58 pm

One Liner wrote:They are the best things that happened to us because there is no other things that happened to us (accept it or die miserable).


Thinking your way IS a slow kind of dying miserably.

There is a reason that a horse wears blinders but even a horse doesn't wear them all of the time.
If you take yours off, you will be able to see a much more panoramic landscape to your life, to life in general.
It's there.
Contrary to what you believe, we need to see also the good and the beautiful in order to thrive and to want to live.
"Look closely. The beautiful may be small."


"Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the oftener and more steadily we reflect on them: the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me."


“Whereas the beautiful is limited, the sublime is limitless, so that the mind in the presence of the sublime, attempting to imagine what it cannot, has pain in the failure but pleasure in contemplating the immensity of the attempt.”

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Re: Heart

Postby One Liner » Fri Jul 29, 2016 8:35 pm

I do in fact take a panoramic view to life and encompass ALL things as the best things in life whereas your argument is that this is not the case.
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Re: Heart

Postby Harbal » Fri Jul 29, 2016 8:50 pm

One Liner wrote:I do in fact take a panoramic view to life and encompass ALL things as the best things

If all things have the same status, none of them can be best. In order to have "best", you must also have something that is not as good. A thing has to be better than another thing in order for it to be best.
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Re: Heart

Postby One Liner » Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:08 pm

Harbal wrote:
One Liner wrote:I do in fact take a panoramic view to life and encompass ALL things as the best things

If all things have the same status, none of them can be best. In order to have "best", you must also have something that is not as good. A thing has to be better than another thing in order for it to be best.

All things don't have the same status but all the things that have happened in our life are the best things that have happened in our life.
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Re: Heart

Postby Harbal » Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:13 pm

One Liner wrote:All things don't have the same status but all the things that have happened in our life are the best things that have happened in our life.

And they are also the worst things that have happened in our lives.
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Re: Heart

Postby One Liner » Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:19 pm

Harbal wrote:
One Liner wrote:All things don't have the same status but all the things that have happened in our life are the best things that have happened in our life.

And they are also the worst things that have happened in our lives.

If you want them to be they can be, but life may get pretty damn miserable if you hold this view.
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Re: Heart

Postby Harbal » Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:30 pm

One Liner wrote:If you want them to be they can be, but life may get pretty damn miserable if you hold this view.

Yes, you're right. Perhaps a way round that would be to call the things you like the most, the best things, and only call the things you don't like, the worst things.
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Re: Heart

Postby One Liner » Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:54 pm

Harbal wrote:
One Liner wrote:Yes, you're right. Perhaps a way round that would be to call the things you like the most, the best things, and only call the things you don't like, the worst things.

And that is why all the things that have happened in life are the best things that have happened in life.
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Re: Heart

Postby Fixed Cross » Mon Aug 01, 2016 6:50 am

Artimas wrote:What are the most effective ways to heal a heart break? Are there any such methods? Is pain really an illusion? Do any chemicals release when you feel pain?

How is it most people can just ignore a heart break?

I went through it once and dont plan to let it happen again.
Then I laugh out loud as I write that.
The strong do what they can, the weak accept what they must.
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Re: Heart

Postby Arcturus Descending » Thu Aug 04, 2016 4:59 pm

One Liner"


All things don't have the same status but all the things that have happened in our life are the best things that have happened in our life.


I believe that you are contradicting yourself here, One Liner.
First you seem to see differences and then you don't.


Why would you see tragedy as a part of the "best things"? It may be one thing to be fatalistic and pessimistic but it's another to view all of human reality and the human experience as being the same as you're doing. You're also taking the "individual" out of the equation. We become more like the Borg and less human in that way. But that's just my thinking.

Your statement seems to me to be one of "living a lie". We sometimes do this because we are afraid to face reality, afraid to see the tragic parts of our lives because of what it might do to us so we choose to live in our own little coccoons. The only thing is that we cannot begin to fly free like the butterfly does until we break free of the fear that binds us by looking at things rightly.

The only thing is that we're unable to really experience the good and positive when we do this.
I think it's just a coping mechanism. We all have them but some are better living tools than others.
If pain, loss, tragedy is the same to you as beauty, meaning, happiness, joy et cetera, you've missed the boat.
"Look closely. The beautiful may be small."


"Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the oftener and more steadily we reflect on them: the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me."


“Whereas the beautiful is limited, the sublime is limitless, so that the mind in the presence of the sublime, attempting to imagine what it cannot, has pain in the failure but pleasure in contemplating the immensity of the attempt.”

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Re: Heart

Postby One Liner » Thu Aug 04, 2016 8:30 pm

Arcturus, do you see yourself as a mother figure who knows what's best for others and then lecturers them about what's best?
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All things don't have the same status but all the things that have happened in our life are the best things that have happened in our life.


I believe that you are contradicting yourself here, One Liner.
First you seem to see differences and then you don't.


Why would you see tragedy as a part of the "best things"? It may be one thing to be fatalistic and pessimistic but it's another to view all of human reality and the human experience as being the same as you're doing. You're also taking the "individual" out of the equation. We become more like the Borg and less human in that way. But that's just my thinking.

Your statement seems to me to be one of "living a lie". We sometimes do this because we are afraid to face reality, afraid to see the tragic parts of our lives because of what it might do to us so we choose to live in our own little coccoons. The only thing is that we cannot begin to fly free like the butterfly does until we break free of the fear that binds us by looking at things rightly.

The only thing is that we're unable to really experience the good and positive when we do this.
I think it's just a coping mechanism. We all have them but some are better living tools than others.
If pain, loss, tragedy is the same to you as beauty, meaning, happiness, joy et cetera, you've missed the boat.
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Re: Heart

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Fri Aug 05, 2016 2:15 pm

Arc, at rare times, is rational.

This is one of those times.
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Re: Heart

Postby One Liner » Fri Aug 05, 2016 2:36 pm

If you emotionally relate to what she says then you will find rationality in what she says (I am ultra cool with that).
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Re: Heart

Postby Arcturus Descending » Fri Aug 05, 2016 5:57 pm

One Liner wrote:If you emotionally relate to what she says then you will find rationality in what she says (I am ultra cool with that).


On the contrary, emotion doesn't have to enter into this at least not for the most part. It may simply be my own subjective thinking (and her's) but I think there is right reason there which is different than "rationality".

I may be wrong but is it possible that you have cut off the emotional side to you in great detail - especially when dealing with certain things?
That's also a coping mechanism. You have to balance reason with emotions. Emotions can be just as positive as they can be negative. They just need to be balanced - it's like a teeter totter ride. It all just depends.


I am ultra cool with that


lol You might have said that you could "warm" to that. More emotion there. :wink:

What does "cool" mean anyway? You're capable of accepting our way of thinking? That's nice, One Liner. :evilfun:
"Look closely. The beautiful may be small."


"Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the oftener and more steadily we reflect on them: the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me."


“Whereas the beautiful is limited, the sublime is limitless, so that the mind in the presence of the sublime, attempting to imagine what it cannot, has pain in the failure but pleasure in contemplating the immensity of the attempt.”

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Re: Heart

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Fri Aug 05, 2016 9:20 pm

One Liner is of the buddhist camp of "all 's good" nihilism.

When someone cuts his foot off, he just views it as part of the path to Enlightenment, and unusual, and interesting experience that God has blessed him with, as a form of intellectual entertainment.

He feels pain, but he doesn't not know why he feels pain, it cannot be explained by science, it is a spiritual thing. Since it is a spiritual thing, it cannot be said to scientifically exist, and so, by his praxis, pain and pleasure do not exist, and are therefore equal, since they cannot be fully explained. This is most likely the root of his praxis.
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Re: Heart

Postby One Liner » Fri Aug 05, 2016 9:29 pm

Arcturus Descending wrote:
One Liner wrote:If you emotionally relate to what she says then you will find rationality in what she says (I am ultra cool with that).


On the contrary, emotion doesn't have to enter into this at least not for the most part. It may simply be my own subjective thinking (and her's) but I think there is right reason there which is different than "rationality".

I may be wrong but is it possible that you have cut off the emotional side to you in great detail - especially when dealing with certain things?
That's also a coping mechanism. You have to balance reason with emotions. Emotions can be just as positive as they can be negative. They just need to be balanced - it's like a teeter totter ride. It all just depends.


I am ultra cool with that


lol You might have said that you could "warm" to that. More emotion there. :wink:

What does "cool" mean anyway? You're capable of accepting our way of thinking? That's nice, One Liner. :evilfun:

Arcturus, yes you are wrong.
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Re: Heart

Postby One Liner » Fri Aug 05, 2016 9:32 pm

Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:One Liner is of the buddhist camp of "all 's good" nihilism.

When someone cuts his foot off, he just views it as part of the path to Enlightenment, and unusual, and interesting experience that God has blessed him with, as a form of intellectual entertainment.

He feels pain, but he doesn't not know why he feels pain, it cannot be explained by science, it is a spiritual thing. Since it is a spiritual thing, it cannot be said to scientifically exist, and so, by his praxis, pain and pleasure do not exist, and are therefore equal, since they cannot be fully explained. This is most likely the root of his praxis.

Lol, if it gives you a feeling of superiority, I can be whatever you want me to be.
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Re: Heart

Postby Arcturus Descending » Mon Aug 08, 2016 4:52 pm

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Arcturus, do you see yourself as a mother figure who knows what's best for others and then lecturers them about what's best


I'm a Mom and so it's difficult for me at times to take off "that hat".
Yes, I am a mother figure and a strong one at times...depending on the circumstances. Yes, there are times when I do know what is "better" for certain individuals - more so than they do ` just as at times there are certain people who know what is better for me.
Do I come across as sometimes lecturing? Perhaps that comes with the territory. Perhaps it is also at times because something is important to me.

The "lecturer" may also be one of the "hats" I wear.

What's the difference between giving one's opinion and perspective on something in a forum ~~ and lecturing? How do I determine when I am doing one or the other? I'd really like to know. I'm not trying to be cute.
"Look closely. The beautiful may be small."


"Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the oftener and more steadily we reflect on them: the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me."


“Whereas the beautiful is limited, the sublime is limitless, so that the mind in the presence of the sublime, attempting to imagine what it cannot, has pain in the failure but pleasure in contemplating the immensity of the attempt.”

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Re: Heart

Postby One Liner » Mon Aug 08, 2016 7:36 pm

Arcturus, did I ask for your advice?
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Re: Heart

Postby Arcturus Descending » Mon Aug 08, 2016 7:45 pm

One Liner wrote:Arcturus, did I ask for your advice?


There is advice, there is perspective, there is imput. At this point, I'm kind of at a loss to know what exactly you are looking for when you post.
Perhaps you and I need to come to a meeting of the minds.
Just what are you looking for when you post?

Show me an example of where I have offered advice to you. I'm not saying that I haven't but you would appear to ...I'm not even sure what you would appear to....lol
"Look closely. The beautiful may be small."


"Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the oftener and more steadily we reflect on them: the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me."


“Whereas the beautiful is limited, the sublime is limitless, so that the mind in the presence of the sublime, attempting to imagine what it cannot, has pain in the failure but pleasure in contemplating the immensity of the attempt.”

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Re: Heart

Postby One Liner » Mon Aug 08, 2016 9:00 pm

I have no desire to untangle this knot
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Re: Heart

Postby Arcturus Descending » Wed Aug 10, 2016 4:57 pm

One Liner wrote:I have no desire to untangle this knot


:lol: Very good. As a metaphor, that knot is a good example of you as a one liner ~~ at least to me.
I thought at first that they were ear plugs, but since they are so entwined, I can't know for sure. There would appear to be "something' more there which might make them something other than earplugs but unless it is clarified, it goes "undetermined" (except by those who have knowledge of it) ~~just as one-liners might leave much to be desired in exploring truth. "God is love"; "life is pain", for example...leaves much to be desired. Elaboration of necessary.

Could one actually "hear" and "learn" the music of the universe as they are in that tool's image ~ in such a messy, gnarled condition?

I might think in terms of Philosophy when I look at that image. One-liners might not unravel it to reveal what it is in actuality. A one-liner might simply find its way to either its beginning or ending point but then what?
Philosophy to me dictates that that cord or wiring be systematically unraveled to reveal "what is there" and if it finds that it is not earphones, then it continues on by examination, exploration, questioning, to determine what it might be. What we see at first glance is not necessarily always what there is or what it is. So we look and look and look....

One-liners might simply be philosophical notions which are screaming out to be discovered in depth just like all of that wiring is screaming to be untied...just like the so-called Gordian Knot, which may be/can be painstakingly loosened though never cut ~~ but still ~~ all kinds of interesting things and truth is to be found in the "unraveling". Why the chokehold?

Feel free to believe that I am lecturing though for me I'm giving you my perspectives and/or my musings.
Who knows but that perhaps they are closely synonymous. I do sense a difference though.
Beliefs are also a kind of entanglement when they are simply one liners.


Arcturus, yes you are wrong.


When I say that "I may be wrong" I am not confirming that I am -- just that there is that possibility. It's keeping an open mind as to my fallibility. Basically what goes on here are perspectives but I do "see" things...some are right and some are wrong.

You, on other other hand, "absolutely" affirm that I am wrong but you give no reasoning for it - just that I am.
You have barely even begun to find the beginning or end to that wire.
It remains just as entangled and gnarled up.
"Look closely. The beautiful may be small."


"Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the oftener and more steadily we reflect on them: the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me."


“Whereas the beautiful is limited, the sublime is limitless, so that the mind in the presence of the sublime, attempting to imagine what it cannot, has pain in the failure but pleasure in contemplating the immensity of the attempt.”

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Re: Heart

Postby One Liner » Wed Aug 10, 2016 9:33 pm

Arcturus, don't try to untangle something when you don't have the ability to untangle it as you will make a bigger mess of it (as per the current situation).
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Re: Heart

Postby WendyDarling » Wed Aug 10, 2016 10:18 pm

Hope you're on the mend Arty.
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
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Re: Heart

Postby Arcturus Descending » Fri Aug 12, 2016 2:38 pm

One Liner wrote:Arcturus, don't try to untangle something when you don't have the ability to untangle it as you will make a bigger mess of it (as per the current situation).


It's in my nature to untangle things. What is life without its challenges? How do we know that we can't unless we try. Trying is not lying and not succeeding is not necessarily failing. Failing is not having tried at all in my book.

Yes, in the real world, I have had entanglements like your image. Try as I might, I just couldn't untangle it. Then I would put it aside until my breath lol returned along with my patience - and very often I then succeeded. Detachment works wonders.
"Look closely. The beautiful may be small."


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“Whereas the beautiful is limited, the sublime is limitless, so that the mind in the presence of the sublime, attempting to imagine what it cannot, has pain in the failure but pleasure in contemplating the immensity of the attempt.”

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