Do you enjoy being around nature?

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Re: Do you enjoy being around natur

Postby One Liner » Mon Jul 18, 2016 6:33 am

In my village, a storm blew a tree down/out by its roots and it fell on a little boy and killed him.
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Re: Do you enjoy being around nature?

Postby Ierrellus » Mon Jul 18, 2016 2:48 pm

Raised on a farm and in a forest, my boyhood knew first-hand adventures with nature. As a child I was "at-one" with nature. I look back on those days with nostalgia--days when I was barefoot and blessed.
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Re: Do you enjoy being around nature?

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Mon Jul 18, 2016 3:20 pm

The chemicals and textures of socks, as well as business clothes, dry out the oils of your flesh. causing insanity, lunacy, and all things ill.
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Re: Do you enjoy being around nature?

Postby Ierrellus » Mon Jul 18, 2016 3:41 pm

Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:The chemicals and textures of socks, as well as business clothes, dry out the oils of your flesh. causing insanity, lunacy, and all things ill.

I was happiest the last days of school when I could shed my shoes and socks and run barefoot down the dirt road.
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Re: Do you enjoy being around nature?

Postby shellytrokan » Mon Jul 18, 2016 3:55 pm

Ierrellus wrote:Raised on a farm and in a forest, my boyhood knew first-hand adventures with nature. As a child I was "at-one" with nature. I look back on those days with nostalgia--days when I was barefoot and blessed.


What do you think the meaning of being "at one" with nature is? Is it programming, or is it proof that programming as a concept isn't the essence of reality?
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Re: Do you enjoy being around nature?

Postby Ierrellus » Mon Jul 18, 2016 3:58 pm

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Ierrellus wrote:Raised on a farm and in a forest, my boyhood knew first-hand adventures with nature. As a child I was "at-one" with nature. I look back on those days with nostalgia--days when I was barefoot and blessed.


What do you think the meaning of being "at one" with nature is? Is it programming, or is it proof that programming as a concept isn't the essence of reality?

It simply meant belonging. No concept needed!
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Re: Do you enjoy being around nature?

Postby shellytrokan » Mon Jul 18, 2016 5:32 pm

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Ierrellus wrote:Raised on a farm and in a forest, my boyhood knew first-hand adventures with nature. As a child I was "at-one" with nature. I look back on those days with nostalgia--days when I was barefoot and blessed.


What do you think the meaning of being "at one" with nature is? Is it programming, or is it proof that programming as a concept isn't the essence of reality?

It simply meant belonging. No concept needed!


But reality is concepts. Reality is formula, and context. I'm asking about the link between life gravitating towards forests and nature and the existence of concepts and programming. If nature is exposed, it can lose its value, but is this reality true? Does nature have value in the first place to be lost?
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Re: Do you enjoy being around nature?

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Mon Jul 18, 2016 6:28 pm

Values is energies.

When an organism values something, its energies spike and the object is duplicated in it's consciousness.
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Re: Do you enjoy being around nature?

Postby shellytrokan » Mon Jul 18, 2016 7:02 pm

Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:Values is energies.

When an organism values something, its energies spike and the object is duplicated in it's consciousness.


What's the significance of that? The duplication of something?
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Re: Do you enjoy being around nature?

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Mon Jul 18, 2016 7:34 pm

shellytrokan wrote:
Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:Values is energies.

When an organism values something, its energies spike and the object is duplicated in it's consciousness.


What's the significance of that? The duplication of something?


It is what it is. When you value something, you form neurons that mirror it's image. And you think about it alot.
The more neurons associated with that, the more you value it.
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Re: Do you enjoy being around nature?

Postby shellytrokan » Mon Jul 18, 2016 7:37 pm

Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:
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Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:Values is energies.

When an organism values something, its energies spike and the object is duplicated in it's consciousness.


What's the significance of that? The duplication of something?


It is what it is. When you value something, you form neurons that mirror it's image. And you think about it alot.
The more neurons associated with that, the more you value it.



So when a tree is valued, neurons in the brain form which look like the tree?
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Re: Do you enjoy being around nature?

Postby Artimas » Mon Jul 18, 2016 7:38 pm

shellytrokan wrote:
Artimas wrote:I love trees... I love plants. I love the green grounds and blue skies. The smell of dirt and the musk of rain.


Have you experienced frustration with nature, because of the knowledge of pattern and context - essentially, that context is why things like trees and fields can have power over us?


No. Only frustration with people and societies. I do not mind nature having power.

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Re: Do you enjoy being around nature?

Postby shellytrokan » Mon Jul 18, 2016 7:48 pm

Artimas wrote:
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Artimas wrote:I love trees... I love plants. I love the green grounds and blue skies. The smell of dirt and the musk of rain.


Have you experienced frustration with nature, because of the knowledge of pattern and context - essentially, that context is why things like trees and fields can have power over us?


No. Only frustration with people and societies. I do not mind nature having power.



Would you agree then that news media (like CNN or BBC) should report anyone on Earth as trees and planets?
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Re: Do you enjoy being around nature?

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Mon Jul 18, 2016 7:55 pm

No, because as we all know humans have no qualms destroying the rainforest.
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Re: Do you enjoy being around nature?

Postby shellytrokan » Mon Jul 18, 2016 8:05 pm

Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:No, because as we all know humans have no qualms destroying the rainforest.


Is that a reference to the question about news media?
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Re: Do you enjoy being around nature?

Postby Artimas » Mon Jul 18, 2016 8:45 pm

Would you agree then that news media (like CNN or BBC) should report anyone on Earth as trees and planets?


What do you mean?

A "god" who deserves worship will be humble enough to reject it; A "god" who demands worship will not be worthy of it.

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Re: Do you enjoy being around nature?

Postby shellytrokan » Mon Jul 18, 2016 9:00 pm

Artimas wrote:
Would you agree then that news media (like CNN or BBC) should report anyone on Earth as trees and planets?


What do you mean?


That all subjects of any country get identified by CNN or BBC as trees and planets; people including the current rebels in Turkey, or the fans of the MCU, or anyone who's ever visited a nightclub, or worked in any industry etc. Just anyone.
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Re: Do you enjoy being around nature?

Postby Artimas » Mon Jul 18, 2016 9:18 pm

shellytrokan wrote:
Artimas wrote:
Would you agree then that news media (like CNN or BBC) should report anyone on Earth as trees and planets?


What do you mean?



That all subjects of any country get identified by CNN or BBC as trees and planets; people including the current rebels in Turkey, or the fans of the MCU, or anyone who's ever visited a nightclub, or worked in any industry etc. Just anyone.


Why would they be identified as plants or trees? Plants bring life, I do not believe they destroy it.

A "god" who deserves worship will be humble enough to reject it; A "god" who demands worship will not be worthy of it.

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Re: Do you enjoy being around nature?

Postby One Liner » Mon Jul 18, 2016 9:58 pm

Artimas wrote:Why would they be identified as plants or trees? Plants bring life, I do not believe they destroy it.

Notice how this venus fly trap is giving life to this fly.
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Re: Do you enjoy being around nature?

Postby Artimas » Tue Jul 19, 2016 12:44 am

One Liner wrote:
Artimas wrote:Why would they be identified as plants or trees? Plants bring life, I do not believe they destroy it.

Notice how this venus fly trap is giving life to this fly.


That isn't destroying life in my view. It is recycling it. The trap must live to give.

Tell me, what do we humans give to the world or the rest of the cycle of life? What does society give back hm? Oh right, absolutely fucking nothing.

I love when people make sarcastic comments like that without paying attention to the entire picture.

If you need to live through means of sustenance but also GIVE back equally, is that true destruction?

A "god" who deserves worship will be humble enough to reject it; A "god" who demands worship will not be worthy of it.

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Re: Do you enjoy being around nature?

Postby Artimas » Tue Jul 19, 2016 12:58 am

That's like saying because a tree absorbs carbon that it destroys it, regardless of GIVING oxygen back.

A "god" who deserves worship will be humble enough to reject it; A "god" who demands worship will not be worthy of it.

All smoke fades, as do all delicate mirrors shatter.

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Re: Do you enjoy being around nature?

Postby shellytrokan » Tue Jul 19, 2016 1:03 am

Artimas wrote:
One Liner wrote:
Artimas wrote:Why would they be identified as plants or trees? Plants bring life, I do not believe they destroy it.

Notice how this venus fly trap is giving life to this fly.


That isn't destroying life in my view. It is recycling it. The trap must live to give.

Tell me, what do we humans give to the world or the rest of the cycle of life? What does society give back hm? Oh right, absolutely fucking nothing.

I love when people make sarcastic comments like that without paying attention to the entire picture.

If you need to live through means of sustenance but also GIVE back equally, is that true destruction?



It's a question I ask all the time; how does it make sense, that human life needs to feed on other life, yet the source of existence encompasses all life?
Ants. Spiders. Rabbits. Ducks. Birds. All of these life forms get destroyed, yet they're as much the reason of life as Brexit voters, or any American citizen. Could the answer to the puzzle be this discussion?
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Re: Do you enjoy being around nature?

Postby Artimas » Tue Jul 19, 2016 2:54 am



It's a question I ask all the time; how does it make sense, that human life needs to feed on other life, yet the source of existence encompasses all life?
Ants. Spiders. Rabbits. Ducks. Birds. All of these life forms get destroyed, yet they're as much the reason of life as Brexit voters, or any American citizen. Could the answer to the puzzle be this discussion?


We hardly fit into the cycle.. This planet would go fine without us being here to perceive it. Take away the snake you have a rodent problem, take away a mosquito frogs may cease to exist. Now take away a human and watch every thing come back to vibrant life. We are a cancer on this planet, to view otherwise is naive, there is no evidence I have seen personally or at all for that matter to show we give or do anything good for this planet, what we do, we do for ourselves, without balancing the cycle or giving back.

A "god" who deserves worship will be humble enough to reject it; A "god" who demands worship will not be worthy of it.

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Re: Do you enjoy being around nature?

Postby Mictlantecuhtli » Tue Jul 19, 2016 6:45 am

Turd Ferguson wrote:No



Turd likes hanging out in the lobbies of McDonalds and LongJohnSilvers. Definitely not much of a nature lover.

Even when he was stranded out in beautiful majestic Hawaii we would hear stories of him huddled around a beach diner eating whole entire cans of SPAM. Like, who the fuck does that in Hawaii anyways?
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Re: Do you enjoy being around nature?

Postby One Liner » Tue Jul 19, 2016 12:17 pm

Artimas wrote:
One Liner wrote:
Artimas wrote:Why would they be identified as plants or trees? Plants bring life, I do not believe they destroy it.

Notice how this venus fly trap is giving life to this fly.


That isn't destroying life in my view. It is recycling it. The trap must live to give.

Tell me, what do we humans give to the world or the rest of the cycle of life? What does society give back hm? Oh right, absolutely fucking nothing.

I love when people make sarcastic comments like that without paying attention to the entire picture.

If you need to live through means of sustenance but also GIVE back equally, is that true destruction?

I live in a town of less than 200 people and I love it when city fuckers start giving lectures about nature.
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