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Shorter Typology

Postby Kimani » Wed Apr 06, 2016 9:35 am

Hello my name is Kimani Shorter and I have developed a theory of personality based on Jung's theory of archetypes. I worked with a child psychiatrist on many of the questions of the assessment portion of the theory, and he also pushed me to add more archetypes to my theory.

This is an explanation of my theory.

http://kimanishorter.tripod.com/id1.html
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Re: Shorter Typology

Postby Kimani » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:20 pm

I have added 60 new questions to the assessment

http://kimanishorter.tripod.com/assessment.html

In order to have any of these archetype pairs your highest score has to be at least a 105. That's the threshold.
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Re: Shorter Typology

Postby The Golden Turd » Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:43 pm

I'll look it over tonight, have a lot of experience.
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Re: Shorter Typology

Postby Kimani » Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:18 am

What do you think of it?
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Re: Shorter Typology

Postby A Shieldmaiden » Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:28 am

My outcome was The Designer, but I could not get a description of this, Flash player would not open it.

Can you fill me in.

It is a bit laborious to actually do and keep track of, the set up I mean.
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Re: Shorter Typology

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Re: Shorter Typology

Postby Meno_ » Wed Nov 23, 2016 6:28 pm

It would be interesting whether this topology could be transposed to a traditional personality essay, and form a statistical correlation, to give some credence to the question of which view predominates more ; the core or the periphery of the personality.
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Re: Shorter Typology

Postby The Golden Turd » Wed Nov 23, 2016 7:35 pm

Alright, I'm seeing the directions suck, and I gotta self-calculate at the end, and no explanation for the three types at the bottom are given, so this shows it is a a mature operation. You really need to spruce this up.

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I have developed a questionnaire to determine which type a person is.

Answer each question on a scale of 0 to 5 with 0 being not at all 1 being very little 2 being a little 3 being somewhat 4 being a lot and 5 being very much so. Write the selected numbers and then add the selected numbers to get the total.

1A. Do you get depressed often?

(This isn't a scale of 1-5 question, but rather a yes or no)

Yes


1B. Is it hard for you to change your thinking or behavior?

0 not hard at all
1 very little
2 a little
3 moderately hard
4 a lot
5 very much so

(Okay, that is a scale of 1-6, due to the Babylonian origins of our number scale, they numbered everying not from Neutral Zero but One, because that's how they did it prior to discovering zero. If your design is to irk your test takers, your doing a good job)

0



1C. Will you continue to talk about your ideas even if someone is not interested in them?

(I'm a Furlosopher, so yeah)

Yes

1D. Do you need to organize things in a certain way to be happy or comfortable?

Yes

1E. Do you prefer to not socialize?

Yes

1F. Do you have repeated thoughts about the same things or problems?

Yes

1G. Do you often begin speaking while someone is talking if you disagree or think your ideas are important?

(When I was younger, Yes, not now, as I have learned other people's stupid ideas are best ignored)

No


1H. Do your moods shift from one extreme to another?

(everyone's does, dropping a dead body on a picnic really fucks everyone up)

NA

1I. Are you most fulfilled learning new things?

Yes

1J. Do you want to understand the world around you?

(Who the fuck is voting confusion and ignorance?)

Yes

1K.Is being creative important to you?

(context needed, Important in book selection or being rescued, don't want my cook at McDonalds getting creative with the cooking, or a prosecutor and judge inventing new concepts and precedents while trying to defend myself)

NA

1L. Are you happiest when you are being inventive?

(Happiest ejaculating. This really should be a scaled question with more situational vs interpersonal orientation)

I guess, yes.

1M.Do you like brainstorming?

Yes

1N.Is studying and researching something that is exciting for you?

No. I just do it. It is like someone who always eats oatmeal cause it is good for them, I can study, research 10+ hours a day for weeks at a time with no financial reward, I don't find it exciting though.

1O.Do you like to know how things work?

(Again, who says no)

Yes

1P.Does ruminating about your thoughts get in the way of developing interpersonal relationships?

(I have no friends)

Yes

1Q.Do you feel the need to speak on whatever is on your mind?

Generally, unless I'm surrounded by inferior fuckheads not even worth my effort. I will write yes for this one.

Yes


1R.Does wanting to learn new things get in the way of having a social life?

Yes

1S.Does everything seem pointless?

(Other than this test?)

No

1T.Does the future look really hopeless to you?

(I'm really looking forward to finishing this test)

No

1U.Are your emotions unpredictable?

No, I have the same range as everyone else. See Lovheim Cube. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lövheim_cube_of_emotion

No



1V.Are you very dissatisfied with yourself?

Yes

1W.Are you constantly irritable?

(Go fuck yourself)

Bah Humbug

Yes


1X.Do you have a lot of anxiety?

(When will this test be done?)

Yes

1Y.Do you feel worthless?

No

1Z.Are you easily distracted?

No

1A1.Can you sometimes stay awake for days at a time and still have energy?

No, Napoleon couldn't either. He tried, would pass out. You questioning my insomnia? Not exactly a speed race.


1B1.Are you frequently annoyed to the point of agitation?


(Arrrgggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!)

Yes

1C1.Do others seem to think you are odd or unusual?

My name is Turd Ferguson

Yes

1D1.Do you not show emotions to others?

(What? I have a very unexpressive face but give regular weather forecasts if a storm is coming)

NA

1E1.Are you self absorbed?

Yes

1F1.Do you not understand the give and take of conversation?

Dialectics and Rhetoric.... Yeppie, it's a fucking philosophy site.

Yes

1G1.Do you have routines that you must follow?

Yes, I wipe after shitting, and find food when hungry. I wake up at weird hours, and sleep randomly, but always routine in what I do, unless I am not)

Yes

1H1.Is it easy for you to memorize information and facts?

(I can't remember names and dates, but I can remember when I was a small child, prior to kindergarten, a geological map of various minerals, the layout of a factory, the various neighborhoods in my area (ran away to them a lot, police would go looking for a toddler), I can recite concepts from a few hundred historians, philosophers, mathematicians and military philosophers, explain the axiomatic structure, but fail to recall the names of who wrote them, the name of the paradigm or theory, or specific numbers, only their relativity).

NA, your not being exact, I have a excellent yet horrible memory.

1I1.Are you obsessed with a couple of specific narrow subjects?

Yes

1J1.Do you not notice when someone is trying to change the subject?

(Do I care?)

Yes

1K1.Do you often speak in a monotone voice?

(Do I have a option otherwise?)

All the time.


1L1.Do you lack eye contact?

I grew up in a Asian community as a child, Asians lack eye contact. So yeah.

2A. In your relationships, do you feel the other persons are better qualified to lead and make decisions?

(Often, it is what specialization and competency is about.)

Yes

2B. In situations where your needs are different from other people’s needs, do you put theirs first?

(I try to be reasonable in prioritizing.)

NA

2C. Do you enjoy providing for others?

(I can enjoy contributing, I do dislike slavery)

NA

2D. Do you make yourself available to others even if it's not convenient?

(Try to avoid this, but sometimes necessity distates.)

NA

2E. Do you tend to accept ideas or leadership from others without resistance?

Yes

2F. Do you prefer to not speak up or not bring attention to yourself?

(I try to blend in, active camoflague)

Yes

2G. Do you think people feel they can count on you?

No

2H. Are you very trusting of others?

No

2I. Are you most happy when you are in a loving relationship?

Yes (who answers no?)

2J.How important is it for you to be in love?

Very


2K.How important is it for you to make other people happy?

I prefer them that way

2L.How important is it for you to receive affection from others?

I gives a fuck generally.

2M.How important is it for you to display affection toward others?

It happens, or it doesnt.

2N.How likely are you to feel hurt when someone doesn't return the love and attention you have shown them?

Very

2O.How important is it for you to be in a committed relationship?

Very


2P.Do you tend to love people unconditionally?

Sometimes


2Q.How important is it for you to give and share affection?

Most impirtant thing in the world at those times, yet not as impirtabt as rescuing a child from a well.


2R.Do you make excuses for other's behaviors?

No, I explain them

2S.Do you change what you do depending on what others want?

No

2T.Do you do what other people think you should do?

If it keeps me in the legal clear.

2U.Do you do what other people tell you to do?

If it keeps me in the legal clear.


2V.Do you try to do what others want you to do?

Nit inherently opposed to the udea,but your lacking context

2W.Is it hard for you to disagree with others?

Not at all.

2X.Do you worry a lot about being alone?

No

2Y.Do you dread being without someone to love you?

Yes

2Z.Is it hard to initiate projects or activities?

No

2A1.Would others take advantage of you if they could?

Yes, This forum is full of parasitical Nietzscheans.

2B1.Would you never harm another person?

No, I was in the Army.

2C1.Do you need others to assume responsibility for most areas of your life?

No


2D1.Are you afraid of rejection?

Yes

2E1.Are you bossy?

What are you getting at?

2F1.Do you constantly try to fix other people?

No


2G1.Are you insecure?

Yes,why do you ask?


2H1.Do you avoid risky activities?

Generally, but then again,everything I do is risky, so I dont know.

NA

2I1.Do you like to take care of others?

No

2J1.Do you constantly want to please people?

Like, Oral Sex? I guess.

2K1.Do you sacrifice for others a lot??

No, but when I do, it more than makes up for the times I dont.


2L1.Does it bother you to see other people get hurt?


Yes

3A. Do you feel it is important for you to state to others your strong beliefs?

Fuck No

Okay,yes

3B. Are you a people person?

No

3C. Are you angered easily?

Yes, now you ask? You should of put that as a warning question at the beginning of the rest.

Yes

3D. Do spontaneous feelings tend to guide your decisions?

Yes, see Lovheim Cube, does for all humans, by default.

Yes

3E. In social settings, do you enjoy it when most or all of the attention is focused on you?

Did I just fuck up, or getting rewarded?

NA

3F. Are you more concerned with your own feelings than other people‘s feelings?

Mine

3G. Are you very competitive at work or in social situations?

No

3H. Are you more comfortable when people constantly say positive things about you?

Yes (who the fuck says no?)

3I.Is it hard for you to follow orders?

Sometimes

3J.How likely are you to disagree with someone's ideas?

Often

3K.Is following rules something that is hard to do?

Sometimes

3L.Would you rather have people do things your way?

Yes (again, who is saying no)

3M.Would you prefer to accomplish things in your own way instead of other's ways?

Yes, but that doesn't always work out.

3N.Are the ends more important than the means?

NA, I'm a philosopher, we can discuss this issue indepth elsewhere.

NA


3O.How likely are you to challenge authority?

I do it all the time.


3P.Is it hard for you to relinquish control to other people?

No, I do it all the time.

3Q.How likely are you to question someone's beliefs?

Not often.

3R. Are you more of a leader than a follower?

I'm doing my own thing.

NA

3S.Do you not care if your actions hurt others?

I care a lot, try to avoid it.

3T.Are you good at conning people?

Yes, but try to avoid it.

3U.Do you make promises that you don't intend to keep?

No

3V.Is it hard to handle criticism?

Yes, but learned to do so.

3W.Does your behavior grab people's attention?

Yes, but learned to blend in.

3X.Are you antagonistic?

Go fuck yourself.

3Y.Do you exaggerate to get ahead in life?

No, I'm a pedestrian.

3Z.Do you sweet talk others to get what you want?

No

3A1.Do you not hesitate to cheat if it gets you far?

I hesitate, if only to think over the efficiency and pitfalls of such a operation, then do it if it seems reasonable and isn't unduely harmful to others.

3B1.Do you like to stand out?

No

3C1.Are you impulsive?

I can be, but then again, I often am not. You would observe two very different people in these extremes.


3D1. Do you do things to get people to admire and respect you?

No

3E1.Does it not bother you to see people get hurt?

If bothers me a lot.

3F1.Do you think you are better than almost everyone else?

Yes

3G1.Are you flirtatious?

No

3H1.Are you often hostile?

Shove it up your asshole

3I1.Do you think you deserve special treatment?

Yes

3J1.Do you enjoy making people with power look stupid?

The concept of power is paradoxual at best, and does not exist in reality.

3K1.Do you use people to get what you want?

Yes, market economics.

3L1.Do you have an addictive personality?

No



The section with the largest total is your designated type.

Section 1 = The Designer
Section 2 = The Professional
Section 3 = The Charmer
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Re: Shorter Typology

Postby The Golden Turd » Wed Nov 23, 2016 7:36 pm

I can't figure out what I am, or what that means.

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Re: Shorter Typology

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Re: Shorter Typology

Postby Kimani » Wed Nov 23, 2016 7:52 pm

designer = Intj, intp, infp, infj
Charmer= Estp, enfp, entp, entj
Professional = Isfj, isfp, Esfj, Esfp
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Re: Shorter Typology

Postby The Golden Turd » Wed Nov 23, 2016 9:11 pm

How is a ENTJ a Charmer, but a INTJ is a Designer? Are you just assuming the Introverted/Extroverted function makes them pursue a different overall cognitive strategy?

And the only pattern to your "Professional" type is the xSFx status, why isn't xNTx likewise a type?
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Re: Shorter Typology

Postby Kimani » Wed Nov 23, 2016 9:39 pm

The Similar Minds website has descriptions of all the Myers Briggs types. The descriptions for Intj matches up with Asperger's syndrome and the descriptions for entj matches up with narcissism. Intp and Intj tend to have Asperger's
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Re: Shorter Typology

Postby The Golden Turd » Wed Nov 23, 2016 9:57 pm

I am TheTrollEmperorOfDoom on that site, one of the top experts on typing over there. Don't refer me back to me as a explanation.
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Re: Shorter Typology

Postby Pandora » Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:20 pm

Kimani,

Your theory describes and classifies the types but it doesn't explain how they came about. In your theory, you are taking them as a given. The archetypes, if you choose to use them, are not static either because different life events and circumstances will bring out certain qualities over other. In other words, people change (maybe not completely, but there is a possibility for a significant personality change throughout life). So your model can show what appears to be but not how it came out or how it may change in the future. The validity of a model should also address an element of predictability/continuity, or causal relations, because people, after all, are not statues. Why is one a hero? Why is one a designer, etc?
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Re: Shorter Typology

Postby The Golden Turd » Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:22 pm

In your theory, you are taking them as a given


We actually call that copyright infringement. Notice Meta over a similarminds went through great lengths to explain how he took his 16 type test from Jung's typology and not MBTI?

Your explanation here shows you just lazily lifted.

You can't copyright ideas, but you can't precise terminology in systems. If you can show that your basing it off of studies of the mind, with a anatomical basis to it, the MBTI group can't touch you as far as critism and explanation goes, but it still wouldn't be 'your' system. You gotta show the faults of MBTI and build legitimately upon it.

A anatomist can't "copyright" a organ of the body if they discover it during dissection, and any attempt to sue another medical professional from analyzing the system the previous doctor proposed, saying "part right, but from further analysis, organ X does this and that, not what was originally assumed" would be laughed away by any judge. MBTI claims to be just nebulous enough that your not able to lock it down to anatomy, it's just concepts. Of course, everyone experienced in it quickly moves to either the Jungian or Neurological models fast, because MBTI aggressively sues anyone and everyone. They make a lot if money from training people in bullshit seminars, pricey ones. Very easy system to learn, don't know why people bother.

http://www.myersbriggs.org/legal/

You gotta do a tad bit more than delete NTs as a independent type. Your like, completely vulnerable right now to a lawsuit. I can't stress the need for you to go back and put some original thought into your system, reworking the mechanics you 99.99999% took from others. If you tried this in college, they would of expelled you for this.
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Re: Shorter Typology

Postby Kimani » Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:56 pm

Someone on a forum tried to make the case that I was borrowing ideas from the Pearson Marr which was false because the PM doesn't deal with mental illness at all. but I've never borrowed any ideas from the MB. No one has ever said that or accused me of that. I showed the correlation between my work and the M.B. But that's all. the child psychiatrist and the retired professor who are helping me don't think I am in any danger of being accused of that.
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Re: Shorter Typology

Postby The Golden Turd » Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:58 pm

That's the first step, now you gotta change it up, or at least explain it uniquely, or come up with a clever cover story as to how you developer it COMPLETELY on your own.
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Re: Shorter Typology

Postby Kimani » Thu Nov 24, 2016 12:13 am

Oh you thought that since I brought up Similar Minds that I had used that to come up with my idea. I had developed this years before I visited similar minds and made any correlation between mine and the M.B. This is completely independent of Myers Briggs
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Re: Shorter Typology

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Yes, you gotta keep explaining that, and create a move convincing background story too. You'll need it.
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Re: Shorter Typology

Postby Kimani » Wed May 03, 2017 8:56 am

We are submitting a proposal to DC Public Schools' research division this month. We are trying to get it approved to do field testing at universities.
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Re: Shorter Typology

Postby WendyDarling » Thu May 04, 2017 2:41 am

For me, The Professional outranked The Designer while both being the 105 and above required.

What happens if there is a tie in the findings?

Is this for people who have a DSM diagnosis and are career oriented? I didn't understand the importance between a mental health diagnosis and a career potential which was only touched upon in your introduction.

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Re: Shorter Typology

Postby Kimani » Thu May 04, 2017 4:24 pm

If it's a three way tie it usually is a sign that you don't have any disorders. A two way tie doesn't necessarily mean that.

The career guide slant isn't the main focus of the project. Im trying to get this theory used in psychology classes such as personality psychology, abnormal psychology and tests and measurements. the career guide part is accurate. These are the most suitable careers for those with these disorders. But currently I think there is more potential for university use.
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Re: Shorter Typology

Postby MagsJ » Fri May 05, 2017 4:05 am

The same results as when I was younger... talk about a balanced mind. :shock:

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Re: Shorter Typology

Postby Kimani » Fri May 05, 2017 5:59 pm

What were your results for my test?
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