## Transactionary Prostitutive Nature Of Women.

The origins of the imperative, "know thyself", are lost in the sands of time, but the age-old examination of human consciousness continues here.

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### Re: Transactionary Prostitutive Nature Of Women.

HaHaHa wrote:

You know, I've gotta say, I kinda feel sorry for this girl. She must feel devastated today knowing she's become this icon for male chauvinists to use in mocking feminists.

Yeah, sure, she's angry, she's bitchy, and I certainly wouldn't want to hand her my balls on a silver platter, but so what? Who doesn't get angry? Nobody's even asking the question: Why is she angry? And isn't it obvious from the video?

Furthermore, nobody's drawing any attention to what she's actually saying. If you listen to what she's saying in the video, it doesn't sound all that bad. That feminists are striving to abolish alimony, for example, doesn't sound that bad. That feminists don't want men to lose custody of their children, for example, doesn't sound that bad.

Oh, and this girl:

HaHaHa wrote:

Yeah, she cut off her husband's penis (I guess)--but apparently, according to her, he would leave the house for days without letting her know, was an alcoholic and drug abuser, was having affairs with other women, and was abusive in every which way--mentally, physically, emotionally (she didn't mention sexually)--and one day she snapped. <-- Well, that *kinda* dampens any scorn or rage one might have for her. At least it does for me.

When you realize this is the background she's coming from, it doesn't seem that bigoted that a room full of women would cheer for her.

Just sayin'.
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### Re: Transactionary Prostitutive Nature Of Women.

gib wrote:
HaHaHa wrote:

You know, I've gotta say, I kinda feel sorry for this girl. She must feel devastated today knowing she's become this icon for male chauvinists to use in mocking feminists.

Yeah, sure, she's angry, she's bitchy, and I certainly wouldn't want to hand her my balls on a silver platter, but so what? Who doesn't get angry? Nobody's even asking the question: Why is she angry? And isn't it obvious from the video?

Furthermore, nobody's drawing any attention to what she's actually saying. If you listen to what she's saying in the video, it doesn't sound all that bad. That feminists are striving to abolish alimony, for example, doesn't sound that bad. That feminists don't want men to lose custody of their children, for example, doesn't sound that bad.

Oh, and this girl:

HaHaHa wrote:

Yeah, she cut off her husband's penis (I guess)--but apparently, according to her, he would leave the house for days without letting her know, was an alcoholic and drug abuser, was having affairs with other women, and was abusive in every which way--mentally, physically, emotionally (she didn't mention sexually)--and one day she snapped. <-- Well, that *kinda* dampens any scorn or rage one might have for her. At least it does for me.

When you realize this is the background she's coming from, it doesn't seem that bigoted that a room full of women would cheer for her.

Just sayin'.

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### Re: Transactionary Prostitutive Nature Of Women.

Arminius wrote:Are you a feminist, Gib?

When feminists ask me: "Do you support respect and dignity for women?" I always answer "Yes." <-- Then they say: "Then you're a feminist."

But when I start a sentence: "I think women..." they say "Sexist!"

Think of me as someone who likes to see the human being underneath the "ist".
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### Re: Transactionary Prostitutive Nature Of Women.

gib wrote:
Arminius wrote:Are you a feminist, Gib?

When feminists ask me: "Do you support respect and dignity for women?" I always answer "Yes." <-- Then they say: "Then you're a feminist."

The one who supports recpect and dignity for woman is not necessarily a feminist yet. Every normal human would answer to that questioin with "yes". So that question is a rhetorical question, if asked by a feminist. In other words: Answers to that question, if asked by a feminist, are not valid.

gib wrote:But when I start a sentence: "I think women..." they say "Sexist!"

And then? Do you respond then?

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### Re: Transactionary Prostitutive Nature Of Women.

gib wrote:Think of me as someone who likes to see the human being underneath the "ist".

I believe you that you like to see the human being underneath the "ist", but in a modern age a huge majority is influenced by "isms", so many modern people are "ists".

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### Re: Transactionary Prostitutive Nature Of Women.

Arminius wrote:The one who supports recpect and dignity for woman is not necessarily a feminist yet.

I know.

Arminius wrote:Every normal human would answer to that questioin with "yes". So that question is a rhetorical question, if asked by a feminist. In other words: Answers to that question, if asked by a feminist, are not valid.

Like hell it's not valid. It's the right answer--at least for me. I wish respect and dignity upon everyone. But I see what you're saying: as a rhetorical question, they're trying to get a "yes" out of me for some reason--but if all that reason is is that they want to label me a "feminist"... well, ok. <-- You go girl!

Arminius wrote:And then? Do you respond then?

If I were to respond, I'd say: it was your label.

Arminius wrote:I believe you that you like to see the human being underneath the "ist", but in a modern age a huge majority is influenced by "isms", <-- Not just in the modern age. so many modern people are "ists".

Do you mean they call themselves "ist" (as in, I'm a philanthropist), or just that they are influenced by an "ist" (or an "ism"). For example, the average man on the street is a dualist (<-- that's Searle's phrase, btw)--the belief that mind and body are separate--but I bet the average man's never heard of Rene Descartes, and if you asked him "are you dualist?" he'd say "a what now?"

In any case, I don't believe we can define a person based on the particular "ism" he or she may or may not believe in. It can be part of what defines a person, but I believe the fact of the person being human adds so much more. A person is always defined by his or her relations to friends and loved ones, even enemies and others whom they don't like. A person is defined by his or her line of work. A person is defined by his or her passed experiences. A person is defined by whatever mental aberations he or she may (or may not) suffer. There's fifty million other factors.

But it is interesting to think about what happens when a person identifies him or herself with a particular "ism"--to identify yourself as an "ist"--it's the difference between saying I believe in the Christian doctrine and saying I am a Christian--when you do the latter, attacks upon your beliefs and values start to feel like attacks upon you--in fact, "isms" can get so deeply routed in our sense of identity, that their being criticized can feel threatening, threatening enough to warrant killing. This is why people go to war over ideologies. They strike at a survival instinct within us when tied to our identity--a sense that disagreement with our beliefs and values is tantamount to our lives--our selves, our ego--being threatened.
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### Re: Transactionary Prostitutive Nature Of Women.

gib wrote:
Arminius wrote:Are you a feminist, Gib?

When feminists ask me: "Do you support respect and dignity for women?"

The proper answer is:
"Well ... I used to, but when they demand it ... not so much.
Respect is earned without whining and excuses.
If you don't have it, you didn't earn it."
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

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### Re: Transactionary Prostitutive Nature Of Women.

James S Saint wrote:The proper answer is:
"Well ... I used to, but when they demand it ... not so much.

The proper answer is: Well... i used to until you asked the question... and then, not so much.
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Men must be taught as if you taught them not. And things unknown proposed as things forgot.
- Alexander Pope

Here lies the body of William J, who died maintaining his right of way.
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### Re: Transactionary Prostitutive Nature Of Women.

gib wrote:
James S Saint wrote:The proper answer is:
"Well ... I used to, but when they demand it ... not so much.

The proper answer is: Well... i used to until you asked the question... and then, not so much.

That was my original thought, but I wanted to generalize it a bit.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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### Re: Transactionary Prostitutive Nature Of Women.

gib wrote:
Arminius wrote:The one who supports recpect and dignity for woman is not necessarily a feminist yet.

I know.

Arminius wrote:Every normal human would answer to that questioin with "yes". So that question is a rhetorical question, if asked by a feminist. In other words: Answers to that question, if asked by a feminist, are not valid.

Like hell it's not valid. It's the right answer--at least for me. I wish respect and dignity upon everyone. But I see what you're saying: as a rhetorical question, they're trying to get a "yes" out of me for some reason--but if all that reason is is that they want to label me a "feminist"... well, ok. <-- You go girl!

Arminius wrote:And then? Do you respond then?

If I were to respond, I'd say: it was your label.

Arminius wrote:I believe you that you like to see the human being underneath the "ist", but in a modern age a huge majority is influenced by "isms", <-- Not just in the modern age. so many modern people are "ists".

Do you mean they call themselves "ist" (as in, I'm a philanthropist), or just that they are influenced by an "ist" (or an "ism"). For example, the average man on the street is a dualist (<-- that's Searle's phrase, btw)--the belief that mind and body are separate--but I bet the average man's never heard of Rene Descartes, and if you asked him "are you dualist?" he'd say "a what now?"

In any case, I don't believe we can define a person based on the particular "ism" he or she may or may not believe in. It can be part of what defines a person, but I believe the fact of the person being human adds so much more. A person is always defined by his or her relations to friends and loved ones, even enemies and others whom they don't like. A person is defined by his or her line of work. A person is defined by his or her passed experiences. A person is defined by whatever mental aberations he or she may (or may not) suffer. There's fifty million other factors.

But it is interesting to think about what happens when a person identifies him or herself with a particular "ism"--to identify yourself as an "ist"--it's the difference between saying I believe in the Christian doctrine and saying I am a Christian--when you do the latter, attacks upon your beliefs and values start to feel like attacks upon you--in fact, "isms" can get so deeply routed in our sense of identity, that their being criticized can feel threatening, threatening enough to warrant killing. This is why people go to war over ideologies. They strike at a survival instinct within us when tied to our identity--a sense that disagreement with our beliefs and values is tantamount to our lives--our selves, our ego--being threatened.

I mean that they are so much surrounded by "isms" that most of them become influenced by "isms", so that they - more or less - identify themselves with "isms", often without knowing it and sometimes with knowing it, and in the latter case relatively many call themselves "...ists" (for example: "feminists"). How much they are "ists" depends on their personality, their character, and the intensity of the influence.

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### Re: Transactionary Prostitutive Nature Of Women.

They say love is immaterial however in this thread we put that myth to bed where instead we find the immaterial is very much $material$.
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### Re: Transactionary Prostitutive Nature Of Women.

Hybristophilia
A paraphilia in which a person is sexuoerotically attracted to a person who has committed an outrage or a gruesome crime.

Your average woman of course has no desire to date a violent psychopath, at least not one on the order of a serial killer like Ted Bundy or Richard Ramirez. But she does want a little bit of that violent cave man to trickle through the civilized exterior of the men she is attracted to on occasion.

Essentially, Women seek to ensure their safety and provision within society via a sort of double-whammy attack pattern. Simply extracting male provision via tax payer subsidy is not enough. The obsession with protection and provision that we see from the female expresses itself on the macro scale, via the pursuance of sometimes downright fascistic laws surrounding violence against women such as rape shield and primary aggressor laws etc.

These laws are often times wholly inconsiderate of concepts of equality like due process and the hard won luxury of a legal system that presumes innocence before guilt is established. To the collective unconscious, the borg hive-mind that drives the enfranchised female masses, due process is irrelevant, they are voting with their hind brain and thus they vote to ensure that their most primitive needs and desires are addressed and satiated. The problem is they can never be satiated, they beckon and demand more safety and more provision…forever.

Thus, while female enfranchisement leverages the electoral process in their favor, and after the legal system has implemented as much gynocentrism as it can bear without collapsing, the individual female also has been simultaneously cultivating her individual instinct for her own protection and provision In the form of what we in the MGTOW world have coined as the “Alpha male brute”. An individual who is prone to violence and physically imposing enough to deal a lot of damage with it, who is also often times not intelligent enough to understand that he is an a servile position to the female he is involved with, existing as a hired thug who is paid in sexual access. It is an pincer attack designed to maximize benefit for the female collective, and frankly men’s rights, health, or lives never factor into this process in any meaningful way. It is purely and potently gynocentric.

This is why women advocate for primary aggressor laws that almost universally assume guilt on the part of the man in domestic violence disputes despite evidence to the contrary if it exists. Again, women want this to be the case, they are not concerned with due process and equal rights for men, they are concerned with leveraging the state and having it bolster their primordial reproductive habits.

This is what drives the female tendency to hybristophilia, which only seems to be pathologised in the most extreme examples, but which actually lies instead on a continuum. It is a spectrum of hybristophilia ranging from the woman who prefers a spanking by her man in the bedroom, all the way up to and including the “serial killer groupies” that gained notoriety for swooning at hyper violent serial killers such as Ted Bundy and Richard Ramirez during the fanfare of their trials.

Every woman who asks you to choke her, spank her, smack her ass or spit on her in a safe and controlled setting during consensual sex is acting out this misunderstood urge. She is looking to you to unleash your inner cave man, she is asking you to become a violent weapon that she can wield for her protection, and in doing this she receives immense sexual stimulation.

I do not hate women for this, nor do I expect them to change this. I believe it is an innate quality of female sexual attraction. I do not excuse them either if they act on these urges in any way that causes real, instead of simulated violence against other human beings like the woman depicted above. The women that are so beholden to their primitive drives that they take to wielding one of these brutes via proxy violence to harm others should be locked up and kept away from civilized people.

But in terms of the urge, the female attraction to violent men, I suspect there is very little we can do to counteract this. The fictional universe of Gattaca addressed this via filtering out the genetic markers for violence they had discovered, and I suspect that the only way we will ever change this quirk of female attraction would be through something along those lines. This would necessitate a highly unethical eugenics campaign the likes of which I soundly reject and would never take part in. Given this, it seems we are left with containment of the beast as it were.

We will have to understand the female proclivity toward selecting violent men, and we will have to manage it and discourage it to the best of our ability.

http://sheddingoftheego.com/2015/08/23/ ... -violence/

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### Re: Transactionary Prostitutive Nature Of Women.

Similarities between the mammal of homosapiens versus other animal mammals in sexual mating or reproduction.

Two male mountain rams violently compete against each other for hours on end where the victor of the fight will gain sexual access to a nearby female that will align herself to the one that establishes dominance.

To the victorious mountain ram that establishes dominance goes the sexual prize.........

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The top school district where teachers are seeking out the sugar baby night shift? Philadelphia. (Incidentally, that school district announced 646 teacher layoffs this past June alone, according to the New York Times. Now, the district is pushing its teachers’ union to accept \$133 million dollars in cuts.)

Along with Philadelphia, other popular school districts for teacher/sugar babies include Miami-Dade, Los Angeles and New York.

Of course, teachers aren’t the only ones trying their luck on Seeking Arrangement. Other common sugar baby occupations include servers/bartenders (almost 73,000) and nurses (about 65,000). That said, those demographics are eclipsed by the college student population: 682,078.

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### Re: Transactionary Prostitutive Nature Of Women.

You guys aren't going deep enough... this is a Nature vs Nurture issue.

We're not born with a lot of the mechanisms being discussed, we're conditioned to them. Just examine how children interact vs how adults do. Now I realize that even as children we have some level of conditioning in us, but it's pretty mild and we haven't really rationalized/justified much at a young age. For instance, gender identification and gender roles aren't concrete in our minds at a young age, at least it hasn't been rationalized/justified (i.e. we haven't created an ideology on it yet). We don't question these concepts, because we're told them by people who we trust/respect/admire, people we have no reason to question. Failing to be critical of the status-quo is what keeps us ignorant (of many things, especially matters of self).

Women aren't born with a transactionary prostitutive ideology, they're conditioned to it. They're bombarded with imagines/ideas/concepts that influence/manipulate/control them to seek validation in such ideologies. This also doesn't mean that all women subscribe to these ideologies either, plenty of well-adjusted people exist, those who transcend their Nurture. This is a depressing situation for most people to grasp, because we create ideologies that oppose such views... the problem isn't in others though, it's in our self... the fact that we cannot accept reality for what it is and what it isn't. This is because those ideologies that we create are disconnected from reality, one that creates dysfunction in us. We rationalize/justify in order to validate our delusional ideologies, leading to thoughts/feelings/actions that go against our Nature. We tear others down, we kill, we inflict suffering, etc... we do whatever it takes to keep our delusions intact.

It's all mental illness, stemming from how we must think/feel/act to make it through the day. We live in an unnatural society and we've adjusted accordingly to survive, but we haven't adapted yet... we're in a transitional phase, our nature battling against our current Nurture... we're holding on to archaic remnants of genetics that serve limited to no purpose in this new landscape, causing massive amounts of confusion and conflict in us all, resulting in mental illness and dysfunction in vast amounts of the populous. This topic is merely a symptom of said mental illness and/or dysfunction, but you can apply the same logic to all types of issues in Society today (like capitalism, morality, etc...).
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