Who- why- where are we ?

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Who- why- where are we ?

Postby waechter418 » Wed Feb 03, 2016 11:23 pm

It seems that since we are aware of ourselves we have been trying to find out who, why & where we are and that many of our religions, cosmologies, philosophies and sciences developed around this quest.

The answers differ widely, see for example neurologists, Buddha, Hegel, astrophysicists, Lao Tse or Christian fundamentalists - yet each insists to have the right answer, which is understandable, after all, it is not easy to admit that the quest has been in vain and increases our confusion.

What is going wrong?
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Re: Who- why- where are we ?

Postby surreptitious57 » Sun Feb 07, 2016 12:11 pm


Not everyone who thinks they are right actually is
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Re: Who- why- where are we ?

Postby James S Saint » Sun Feb 07, 2016 12:24 pm

surreptitious57 wrote:
Not everyone who thinks they are right actually is

How do you now that you are right about that?

..and that is "what is wrong" .. not knowing how to know.

But look how long it took them to figure out how to fly. Just because it takes Man thousands of years to get over his ego issues, doesn't mean that he can't eventually get there. Man can now absolutely know .. he just hasn't bothered to convince himself of it yet (again, more ego issues).
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Re: Who- why- where are we ?

Postby surreptitious57 » Sun Feb 07, 2016 12:52 pm

James S Saint wrote:
How do you now that you are right about that

Mutual incompatibility on a very consistent scale
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Re: Who- why- where are we ?

Postby Amorphos » Sun Feb 07, 2016 8:34 pm

If there were an answer, what then? Would we all be wandering around doing the thing we were put here for, or would that washing-up still need doing.

An answer would specifically mean there was a question or reason why existence came into existence. If existence knew how to formulate a question or set of questions as denumerable as those purported in our reality, then it wouldn't need the universe to begin with.

Not to mention that would make existence into a programmed entity designed to find an answer. If it already knows the answers it wouldn't be needed, if it wanted to find answers, it would not build something by what it already knows [a program]. Therefore there are no question in the fundamental nature of reality, it is just a world, and questions and answers may happen in it, but are not it.
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Re: Who- why- where are we ?

Postby Mr Reasonable » Mon Feb 08, 2016 9:30 am

I don't see anything going wrong.
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Re: Who- why- where are we ?

Postby waechter418 » Fri Mar 03, 2017 6:04 pm

The quest itself seems to be the problem - Buddhists, Zen and Taoist thinkers claim that the answers are given, or Selfknowledge manifests, when abandoning the quest (questions)
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Re: Who- why- where are we ?

Postby Mictlantecuhtli » Sun Mar 05, 2017 6:46 pm

The universe and cosmos is either a cosmic random accident or it has always existed being an unsolvable mysterious enigma of phenomena. God and religion are irrelevant.

Purpose is what we make of it. There is no central grand order or specific achievement (purpose) to be unlocked and realized.
Civilization is a ship of fools headed to a one way destination of catastrophe and annihilation, its many captains populated by asshole-idiots that all agree it is unsinkable.

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Re: Who- why- where are we ?

Postby waechter418 » Tue Mar 07, 2017 6:04 pm

Mictlantecuhtli wrote:The universe and cosmos is either a cosmic random accident or it has always existed being an unsolvable mysterious enigma of phenomena. God and religion are irrelevant.

Purpose is what we make of it. There is no central grand order or specific achievement (purpose) to be unlocked and realized.


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Re: Who- why- where are we ?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Wed Jun 07, 2017 6:49 pm

waechter418 wrote:It seems that since we are aware of ourselves we have been trying to find out who, why & where we are and that many of our religions, cosmologies, philosophies and sciences developed around this quest.

The answers differ widely, see for example neurologists, Buddha, Hegel, astrophysicists, Lao Tse or Christian fundamentalists - yet each insists to have the right answer, which is understandable, after all, it is not easy to admit that the quest has been in vain and increases our confusion.

What is going wrong?


Maybe nothing is going wrong. Maybe it just is as it is.

Perhaps if we indulge in thinking that we perhaps do not have the right answers, we might have to turn around, walk back down that path and take another, different path.
We each follow our own path upwards or downwards. Mine may be different than yours. Not better just different and more harmonious for me though perhaps even more the struggle for me.

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Re: Who- why- where are we ?

Postby barbarianhorde » Tue Jun 20, 2017 12:42 am

surreptitious57 wrote:
Not everyone who thinks they are right actually is

says you
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Re: Who- why- where are we ?

Postby Ierrellus » Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:36 pm

We are involved in these three experiences: Being, becoming, and belonging. How we express what it is like to be in each experience provides the answers to who, where and why questions.
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