Modern psychology - a joke?

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Re: Modern psychology - a joke?

Postby Dren » Sun Aug 02, 2015 1:56 pm

Magnus Anderson wrote:See what is problem with modern psychologists, they have degenerate habits, degenerate for a male type, you see, their habits are feminine, they survived not by struggling but by, quite simply, doing nothing, by being peaceful, so they take these habits as a rule, they can't see or think beyond them, and since most people are like them, they think that's normal and anything that is different they consider it abnormal and they can't question it because they would have to face their own inferiority then. I tell you this in confidence but doctors are degenerates. And merchants. Warriors are the way to go. But real warriors.

You know what a real warrior is? one who accepts chaos. Does not deny it, reject it, but accepts it and then masters it or perishes from it. Degenerate is anyone who has a strong habit of denying chaos. And modern age is such, built on this chaos-denying set of habits. So this is why the word "warrior" ain't funny, you see my boy, because warriors can be degenerate chaos-deniers as well. Just cause you go to war does not mean you do not deny chaos. The question is what the world gives and how you react to it and how consistently, do you accept it and strive to overcome or reject it. THAT is the question!




If not modern psychologists, then what? What non-modern psychologists are there to appreciate in your opinion?
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Re: Modern psychology - a joke?

Postby Magnus Anderson » Mon Aug 03, 2015 2:48 am

There may be modern psychologists who aren't in denial, how can I know? Just because I haven't come across one does not mean there isn't one. But the ones I've seen, they all appear to be in denial. Theorizing about denial while themselves being in denial.

Take a look at that link I posted. This one: http://www.darvsmith.com/dox/codependency_book.html

If he's not in denial, then why does he say that one should "love one's neighbour"? Does he perhaps mean something other than what I understand by that phrase? It's strange, because it is not possible for a honest individual to love everyone. It's "emotionally dishonest", to use his term. I am not saying you should kill your neighbour, I'm just saying you can't love every neighbour.
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Re: Modern psychology - a joke?

Postby Magnus Anderson » Mon Aug 03, 2015 3:06 am

The problem with conquering denial is that it's easy to simply replace one form of denial with another while thinking you are no longer in denial. You cease denying one set of emotions, but end up denying another. The psychologist I linked appears to be on the feminine side, denying his masculine emotions. This is supported by the fact that he considers modern age to be predominantly masculine. But modern age is perverted in multiple directions, it is both hyper-masculine and hyper-feminine.

Sure, being at war with your neighbour for no reason is hyper-masculine, a self-denial, but loving him unconditionally is just as bad. Of course, if you tone down your exaggerated masculinity, you will end up being more friendly toward your neighbour, but not THAT friendly.
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Re: Modern psychology - a joke?

Postby Dren » Mon Aug 03, 2015 5:36 am

Magnus Anderson wrote:There may be modern psychologists who aren't in denial, how can I know? Just because I haven't come across one does not mean there isn't one. But the ones I've seen, they all appear to be in denial. Theorizing about denial while themselves being in denial.

Take a look at that link I posted. This one: http://www.darvsmith.com/dox/codependency_book.html

If he's not in denial, then why does he say that one should "love one's neighbour"? Does he perhaps mean something other than what I understand by that phrase? It's strange, because it is not possible for a honest individual to love everyone. It's "emotionally dishonest", to use his term. I am not saying you should kill your neighbour, I'm just saying you can't love every neighbour.



I meant to ask specifically what psychologists you recommend as being good, to give me/us something to measure moderns by. Just asking for your opinion of what a few good psychologists are and what they should be like, for reference against moderns.
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Re: Modern psychology - a joke?

Postby Orbie » Mon Aug 03, 2015 8:44 am

philosophical underpinnigs are fairly new, and if psychology is a joke, surely, philosophy is too. But, if it is, then the joke is too recent, as well, and no one is lauhing, (yet), and if they do, it usually assumed, that the last laugh is on them. And no one really wants that.
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Re: Modern psychology - a joke?

Postby Arminius » Mon Aug 03, 2015 10:52 am

Orbie wrote:Philosophical underpinnigs are fairly new, and if psychology is a joke, surely, philosophy is too. But, if it is, then the joke is too recent, as well, and no one is lauhing, (yet), and if they do, it usually assumed, that the last laugh is on them. And no one really wants that.

Hey, Orbie.

But what if just the reverse is true? ...:
"Psychological underpinnigs are fairly new, and if philosophical is a joke, surely, psychology is too. But, if it is, then the joke is too recent, as well, and no one is lauhing, (yet), and if they do, it usually assumed, that the last laugh is on them. And no one really wants that."
I think this is more true ....

Modern psychology is merely useless, if it is as it was: a subdiscipline of philosophy and not more.

The chemical industry and other industries want to sell their "products". First they selled them only on physicians, then they started to sell them also on psychyatrists or even psychologists. And the next step is alraedy achieved, isn't it? If yes: what will be the after next step?
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Re: Modern psychology - a joke?

Postby Magnus Anderson » Mon Aug 03, 2015 2:27 pm

Dren wrote:I meant to ask specifically what psychologists you recommend as being good, to give me/us something to measure moderns by. Just asking for your opinion of what a few good psychologists are and what they should be like, for reference against moderns.


I think I answered that question, didn't I? All I want is a honest psychologist. I am not aware of anyone specific.

Honesty is a complex subject, worthy of its own thread.
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Re: Modern psychology - a joke?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Mon Aug 03, 2015 6:55 pm

Magnus Anderson wrote:There may be modern psychologists who aren't in denial, how can I know? Just because I haven't come across one does not mean there isn't one. But the ones I've seen, they all appear to be in denial. Theorizing about denial while themselves being in denial.

Take a look at that link I posted. This one: http://www.darvsmith.com/dox/codependency_book.html

If he's not in denial, then why does he say that one should "love one's neighbour"? Does he perhaps mean something other than what I understand by that phrase? It's strange, because it is not possible for a honest individual to love everyone. It's "emotionally dishonest", to use his term. I am not saying you should kill your neighbour, I'm just saying you can't love every neighbour.


You might want to copy and paste over where he said that and what he said before and after that.
Loving one's neighbor may be as simple as wishing them well, not wishing them harm, being helpful when you can. It doesn't necessarily have to mean what is usually meant by many christians.

Mother Teresta had her way of loving her neighbor but even her neighbor wasn't everyone though I'm sure that globally speaking she felt love for all - but we don't have the time and energy to love everyone. We need to decide who is going to be our neighbor.

That phrase means different things to different people, Magnus Anderson.
What do you really think he meant by it? Re-read it and please copy and paste it over. I would be interested to know what he meant.
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What we take ourselves to be doing when we think about what is the case or how we should act is something that cannot be reconciled with a reductive naturalism, for reasons distinct from those that entail the irreducibility of consciousness. It is not merely the subjectivity of thought but its capacity to transcend subjectivity and to discover what is objectively the case that presents a problem....Thought and reasoning are correct or incorrect in virtue of something independent of the thinker's beliefs, and even independent of the community of thinkers to which he belongs.

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Re: Modern psychology - a joke?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Mon Aug 03, 2015 7:01 pm

Magnus Anderson wrote:
Dren wrote:I meant to ask specifically what psychologists you recommend as being good, to give me/us something to measure moderns by. Just asking for your opinion of what a few good psychologists are and what they should be like, for reference against moderns.


I think I answered that question, didn't I? All I want is a honest psychologist. I am not aware of anyone specific.

Honesty is a complex subject, worthy of its own thread.


If all you want is an honest psychologist, Magnus, you may just get one who is completely abrupt and almost abusive.

You might actually want one who shows he cares and is interested by paying attention, who allows his patient or client to speak, doesn't interrupt and doesn't tell him how he really "should" think and "should" feel, and how he "should" live his life.

You might also want want who is quite aware of how transference works between psychologist and patient and vica versa and who is balanced enough and understanding enough to juggle that knowledge and experience between the two and help the patient to work through it.
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What we take ourselves to be doing when we think about what is the case or how we should act is something that cannot be reconciled with a reductive naturalism, for reasons distinct from those that entail the irreducibility of consciousness. It is not merely the subjectivity of thought but its capacity to transcend subjectivity and to discover what is objectively the case that presents a problem....Thought and reasoning are correct or incorrect in virtue of something independent of the thinker's beliefs, and even independent of the community of thinkers to which he belongs.

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Re: Modern psychology - a joke?

Postby Mictlantecuhtli » Sun Jul 10, 2016 5:28 pm

What's the difference between psychiatry and state reeducation exactly in behavioural modifications of entire populations?
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Re: Modern psychology - a joke?

Postby One Liner » Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:02 am

Do your research and you will find out the penis didn't start with modern psychology.
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Re: Modern psychology - a joke?

Postby Meno_ » Tue Jul 12, 2016 1:03 pm

But what to do with it did.
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Re: Modern psychology - a joke?

Postby One Liner » Wed Jul 13, 2016 7:43 am

Oops... Freudian slip (I meant to say joke).
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Re: Modern psychology - a joke?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Wed Jul 13, 2016 8:09 pm

Autsider,


Let's say I live in Sweden, and Sweden decides that it is the right of immigrants to rape Swedish women. So if I disregard their right to do that, and stop them, I am antisocial and have a personality disorder?


That's not actually a logical example now, is it? Can you see Sweden doing that?
If you DO NOT disregard their right to do that and do not fight to stop them, THEN you may be antisocial and have a personality disorder. Right reason doesn't disappear because some because irrational.

Do we disregard our own moral and ethical codes because the law says that it now okay to do this or that?
Take abortion for example. According to the law in this country, at one time it was illegal and then it became legal.
Aside from seeing things differently/perspective changing as a result of what we've experienced and what others have experienced, we may have a different outlook on abortion. But what we do is based on what is right and ethical for us - not necessarily, according to the law...if that made any sense to you.


Modern psychology is able to see the irrational mind but I don't think or intuit that it agrees with or accepts irrational behavior or irrational laws as the norm or optimal behavior...simply based on absurd law (your example).


Modern psychology is no more a joke than is physics or astronomy, et cetera. It's an exploration of those far-away galaxies, black holes, dark matter, et cetera, within the mind. Just as man journeys through the universe, psychology journeys where no man has gone before into the minds of Man in order to discover and explain Man to Man. The Mind is just as much the hidden frontier as is the universe.
One might say that psychology is like a far-reaching telescope to see what is revealed and to reveal what is hidden ~~ not unlike philosophy for that matter.
How can anything which seeks out the truth and reality of a hidden landscape and tries to explain it be a joke?
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If I thought that everything I did was determined by my circumstancse and my psychological condition, I would feel trapped.


What we take ourselves to be doing when we think about what is the case or how we should act is something that cannot be reconciled with a reductive naturalism, for reasons distinct from those that entail the irreducibility of consciousness. It is not merely the subjectivity of thought but its capacity to transcend subjectivity and to discover what is objectively the case that presents a problem....Thought and reasoning are correct or incorrect in virtue of something independent of the thinker's beliefs, and even independent of the community of thinkers to which he belongs.

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Re: Modern psychology - a joke?

Postby One Liner » Wed Jul 13, 2016 9:08 pm

A problem with both philosophy and psychology develops when people start thinking of them as sciences (which they are not).
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Re: Modern psychology - a joke?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Thu Jul 14, 2016 9:01 pm

One Liner wrote:A problem with both philosophy and psychology develops when people start thinking of them as sciences (which they are not).


Possibly not philosophy but psychology yes can be viewed as a science.


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knowledge, as of facts or principles; knowledge gained by systematic study.
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The human brain and the mind by extension ARE part of the physical world and can be seen as a science.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/un ... e-argument
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Re: Modern psychology - a joke?

Postby Fixed Cross » Fri Aug 05, 2016 2:04 am

In a sense.

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Re: Modern psychology - a joke?

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Fri Aug 05, 2016 12:21 pm

Arcturus Descending wrote:One might say that psychology is like a far-reaching telescope to see what is revealed and to reveal what is hidden ~~ not unlike philosophy for that matter.
How can anything which seeks out the truth and reality of a hidden landscape and tries to explain it be a joke?


But it is.

In the 50's they did lobotomies on people...surgically removing parts of the brain...the equivalent of medieval bloodletting. No scientific evidence behind it or evidence that it actually helped anything. How is that not a joke?

In the 60's they said homosexuality was a disease...Homosexuality is not a disease, it occurs in nature whenever a species is sexually stratified...Not to mention, the only chance to turn someone straight is by testosterone...they didn't even try that...because they are idiots...Again, another one of their jokes...

They made up another disorder called "anti-authority disorder" If anyone fears or dislikes authority..then they are mentally ill...another joke of theirs...

They tried to stop people from being transgender by giving them shock therapy...How would that even work? Where is the correlation that getting electrocuted will change your gender identity? Again, another one of their sick jokes...

Now they added coffee drinking as a mental illness too...
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Re: Modern psychology - a joke?

Postby One Liner » Fri Aug 05, 2016 12:32 pm

Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:They tried to stop people from being transgender by giving them shock therapy...How would that even work? Where is the correlation that getting electrocuted will change your gender identity? Again, another one of their sick jokes...

Depends on what part of they anatomy they attached the probes to.
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Re: Modern psychology - a joke?

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Fri Aug 05, 2016 12:46 pm

One Liner wrote:
Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:They tried to stop people from being transgender by giving them shock therapy...How would that even work? Where is the correlation that getting electrocuted will change your gender identity? Again, another one of their sick jokes...

Depends on what part of they anatomy they attached the probes to.


I would say electrocuting their balls would make them more transgender, not less.
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Re: Modern psychology - a joke?

Postby One Liner » Fri Aug 05, 2016 3:04 pm

Yes, then there is a correlation between shock therapy and gender identity!
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Re: Modern psychology - a joke?

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Fri Aug 05, 2016 8:54 pm

One Liner wrote:Yes, then there is a correlation between shock therapy and gender identity!


No, because the shock therapy I was talking about doesn't shock their balls.
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Re: Modern psychology - a joke?

Postby One Liner » Fri Aug 05, 2016 9:34 pm

Have you ever witnessed or participated in shock therapy?
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Re: Modern psychology - a joke?

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Fri Aug 05, 2016 9:53 pm

One Liner wrote:Have you ever witnessed or participated in shock therapy?


Yes, and I was glad they did it. This one asshole girl I met in the mental hospital was very rude to me, when I was trying to be nice to her.
Next day, they gave her shock therapy. I laughed all night.
I could hear her screams through the walls, and each time I did, I burst out laughing.

I also know a transgender who was given shock therapy. The shock therapy didn't do anything, (Why would it?)
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Re: Modern psychology - a joke?

Postby One Liner » Fri Aug 05, 2016 10:43 pm

Are you saying she was screaming while they gave her shock therapy?
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