What the... does this dream mean?

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Re: What the... does this dream mean?

Postby Helandhighwater » Sat Nov 23, 2013 12:56 am

Ierrellus wrote:
Helandhighwater wrote:Have you ever thought that dreams might just be mostly meaningless interpretations made by your brain in a state where it is not fully able to communicate between various areas of the brain, ie those commonly associated with context, meaning or reason. When you are asleep it seems there is a significantly reduced signalling between all the various areas that generally are in play when we consciously make sense of the world. Whilst I wouldn't be so gauche as to assume this means dreams have no reason or meaning, I might well suggest that most of it is a mix of the days experience and your minds lack of ability to put it in a narrative you could make sense of, and hence has no consistent meaning beyond general fears and doubts you experience on a day to day basis, none of which are related to specific things in a dream.

I know I sound crazy. :P

Not crazy. I spelled this out earlier. It's the interpretation given in the Time/Life book "The Brain". However,I do believe that unresolved problems cause nightmares. I'm retired. My worst dreams are being back at work with a co-worker who evicted me from her home when I was hospitalized. These dreams are an unwanted replay of the past ad nauseum. They are gut reactions, bearing little resemblance to rational thought. It's almost as if that affair resonated throughout my body.


Yeah as long as we don't start going down the road of smoking a cigar as a woman means precisely that you have penis envy or whatever other specific nonsense that we tend to read into dreams I think it's quite right to say dreams are general and reflect a way of dealing with things broadly rather than specifically.

As far as nightmares go you do tend to have more early on in your dream state, most of which you fail to remember unless you wake up, as the night progresses you tend to have more benign dreams, dreams you are more likely to remember as you move towards consciousness. I would suspect that most nightmares are actually just a normal way of the body stressing itself without you consciously being aware of it with the ultimate result that it removes stress, and it might explain how we prime our brain so we ultimately wake up more relaxed. When of course though we have dreams that repeat themselves over time which you often remember, I think in that case you may be right this is something other than a natural de-stress and more likely to reflect unresolved issues.
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Re: What the... does this dream mean?

Postby Ierrellus » Sat Nov 23, 2013 4:01 pm

Since we are nearing Christmas, I am reminded of Dickens' "A Christmas Carol." When Scrooge got his first visit from spirits, he claimed it was because of something he ate. But to stop with that explanation would have limited Dickens' elaborate symbolisms of a corrupt life. Perhaps, beneath the fantasy was Scrooge's guilt. So why couldn't unresolved issues, even if prompted by poor digestion, be at issue here? We seem to want the spirit visitations to be real as suspension of disbelief in the resolution of problems that may spell out the nature of the problems.
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Re: What the... does this dream mean?

Postby MagsJ » Thu May 01, 2014 7:39 pm

I think I have found the significance of the sleeping blue dog, and it's not what I thought. :|
The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite

I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get that time back, and I may need it for something at some point in time. Wait! What?

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Re: What the... does this dream mean?

Postby Kriswest » Thu May 01, 2014 9:25 pm

Oh sure leave us hanging.. :)
I will be bitchy, cranky, sweet, happy, kind, pain in the ass all at random times from now on. I am embracing my mentalpause until further notice. Viva lack of total control!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is not a test,,, this is my life right now. Have a good day and please buckle up for safety reasons,, All those in high chairs, go in the back of the room.
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Re: What the... does this dream mean?

Postby MagsJ » Thu May 01, 2014 9:51 pm

Kriswest wrote:Oh sure leave us hanging.. :)

I don't mean to, but I don't want to talk about it in any detail whatsoever, but my questioning on where the colour blue came into the scenario has now been revealed.
The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite

I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get that time back, and I may need it for something at some point in time. Wait! What?

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Re: What the... does this dream mean?

Postby Kriswest » Thu May 01, 2014 10:06 pm

Well then I am glad for you, I hope it settles your mind.
I will be bitchy, cranky, sweet, happy, kind, pain in the ass all at random times from now on. I am embracing my mentalpause until further notice. Viva lack of total control!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is not a test,,, this is my life right now. Have a good day and please buckle up for safety reasons,, All those in high chairs, go in the back of the room.
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Re: What the... does this dream mean?

Postby MagsJ » Mon Mar 30, 2015 1:34 pm

The scene:

As I stood on the landing ready to go downstairs I saw what I thought was a bear dart past.

I shouted to everyone to stay upstairs and go to the nearest bedroom for safety.

The beast eventually made its way upstairs... it wasn't a bear but a jet black lion, and was groomed like a poodle.. all curly black mane and hairless body with hair around each paw. He pushed against the door, but his fragile frame had no effect on the closed door so he toddled off.
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I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get that time back, and I may need it for something at some point in time. Wait! What?

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Re: What the... does this dream mean?

Postby Orbie » Mon Mar 30, 2015 2:31 pm

It's a dream similr to what I had, before a a real crisis happened in my life. The dream was of a cat, cute and cuddly, which suddenly turned into a roaring lion. Then a real crisis occurred in my life.

I don't think You have to worry Mags, this is in reverse, something or somebody threatening, is really harmless. The fact that the door has been closed, may be a sign, that You want the beast, rather then the quite ? it's a kind of beauty and the beast theme. you really down deep prefer the beast.
You want to let him in but 'they' constrain You.
I don't know, if this interpretation fits, but it may work.
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Re: What the... does this dream mean?

Postby Arminius » Mon Mar 30, 2015 4:32 pm

MagsJ wrote:The scene:

As I stood on the landing ready to go downstairs I saw what I thought was a bear dart past.

I shouted to everyone to stay upstairs and go to the nearest bedroom for safety.

The beast eventually made its way upstairs... it wasn't a bear but a jet black lion, and was groomed like a poodle.. all curly black mane and hairless body with hair around each paw. He pushed against the door, but his fragile frame had no effect on the closed door so he toddled off.

Some mllion years humans (including some ancestors of homo sapiens) lived together with wild animals. Since about 6000 years humans have been living together - more or less - with pets and other harmless animals and not or hardly with wild animals. You personally have never lived together with wild animals but merely with pets and other harmless animals. So there is no other sense behind your dream and no other (mostly paranoid or megalomanic) interpretation of your dream meaningful than the simple fact that there is a discrepancy between your species memory and your personal memory. What did you do at the said day before you went to bed, Mags?
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Re: What the... does this dream mean?

Postby Orbie » Mon Mar 30, 2015 5:08 pm

Arminius, The dreams she is having may not require personal experience with wild animals. Personal memory may be hidden from an abyss, or type memory, whereas, as far removed we are from the origins, they are still intricate parts of the overall content of our sub conscious.
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Re: What the... does this dream mean?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Mon Mar 30, 2015 5:17 pm

MagsJ wrote:The scene:

As I stood on the landing ready to go downstairs I saw what I thought was a bear dart past.

I shouted to everyone to stay upstairs and go to the nearest bedroom for safety.

The beast eventually made its way upstairs... it wasn't a bear but a jet black lion, and was groomed like a poodle.. all curly black mane and hairless body with hair around each paw. He pushed against the door, but his fragile frame had no effect on the closed door so he toddled off.


On some level, MagsJy, to me your dream seems to be about first impressions. First you thought it was a bear and then discovered that it was a jet black lion (sounds beautiful) groomed like a poodle. But then you mentioned his "fragile" frame like it was an anorexic lion.

The fragile frame part might have to do with our sense of powerlessness at times not being able to affect something difficult (as in the closed door) and we give up too easily (so he toddled off). I think that at times, whatever the reason we have a particular dream, the reason for that dream could come about from something which occurred or we thought of or saw even weeks or some months before. These things remain lodged in our brain and maybe certain things bring them about. But of course it could also be something which just happened that day too.

I used to have this recurring dream about lions... thankfully no more. lol. This or that lion would be chasing me and I would
be running for my life and screaming and just at the moment that I was about to open a door somewhere for safety, the lion would pounce on me and I would wake up screaming.
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Re: What the... does this dream mean?

Postby Arminius » Mon Mar 30, 2015 5:31 pm

Orb wrote:The dreams she is having may not require personal experience with wild animals. Personal memory may be hidden from an abyss, or type memory, whereas, as far removed we are from the origins, they are still intricate parts of the overall content of our sub conscious.

I did not say that Mags had personal experiences with wild animals. Please read my post. I said Mags had no personal experiences with wild animals. ....
And "sub-conscious" (?): well, you can interprete anything and everything with "sub-conscious". That's pure arbitrariness.
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Re: What the... does this dream mean?

Postby Orbie » Mon Mar 30, 2015 5:35 pm

That's just the point, having or not having experiences with wild animals is irrelevant. Dreams of them still come up and they may mean something.

whatever the sub conscious is or isn't, is another name for that something where the meaning may be hidden.

This is why people ask what dreams mean, even if the don't go for formal analysis.
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Re: What the... does this dream mean?

Postby Arminius » Mon Mar 30, 2015 5:49 pm

Orb wrote:That's just the point, having or not having experiences with wild animals is irrelevant. Dreams of them still come up and the may mean something.

One has to be very careful, because there is no real prove or evidence for your statement that "dreams still come up and the may mean something". One could also say that dreams mean nothing, because there is also no real prove or evidence for it. We merely have our own experiences and the knowledge of our ancestors. The rest is arbitrarily interpreted.
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Re: What the... does this dream mean?

Postby Orbie » Mon Mar 30, 2015 6:02 pm

That is true to a certain extent, dreams may or may not mean some thing. However, basically, Ibdo not believe in the concept of nothingness. I feel even not dreaming at all may mean something. As long as there is some content, meaning is there, because the question is inordinately asked why dream at all, if not for some purpose? The purpose may be minimum a discharge of accumulated energy in terms of symbols, but why these symbols and not others? That is for the brain to answer and symbols are not a function of pure neurological mechanisms.
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Re: What the... does this dream mean?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Mon Mar 30, 2015 6:05 pm

Orb wrote:That's just the point, having or not having experiences with wild animals is irrelevant. Dreams of them still come up and they may mean something.

whatever the sub conscious is or isn't, is another name for that something where the meaning may be hidden.

This is why people ask what dreams mean, even if the don't go for formal analysis.

Yet the animals we dream of can have some relevance orb wouldn't you agree ~~ based on the characteristics of those animals, especially if we know and understand those characteristics.
For instance, lions are fierce, ferocious and strong. Being afraid of a lion in a dream could point to something "real" in our life which we think of as fierce and strong and something which we fear.

If we had a dream of being chased by a little lamb, would we run from it? If we had a dream of a little lamb or of holding one in our arms, it could be possibly about our selves wanting to embrace our more gentler humbler natures, right? lol
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Re: What the... does this dream mean?

Postby MagsJ » Mon Mar 30, 2015 6:08 pm

Thanks for your interesting replies. As the waking vision was only envisioned this morning, I will digest all your comments and respond fully tomorrow.
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Re: What the... does this dream mean?

Postby Orbie » Mon Mar 30, 2015 6:11 pm

Yes,Arc, for a paradigmn example, The Doors lead Jim Morrison, during his famous Lion pictures are representative in his poetry of this idea in a loose way. To get to the other side is not easy. For him, it meant an early death.But he was burning to get there, nevertheless.
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Re: What the... does this dream mean?

Postby Arminius » Wed Apr 01, 2015 3:08 pm

Orb wrote:Why dream at all, if not for some purpose?

The purpose is a neurological (thus biological) one: information processing in order to keep the living being neurologically alive.
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Re: What the... does this dream mean?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Wed Apr 01, 2015 3:44 pm

Orb wrote:

Why dream at all, if not for some purpose?


You mean evolutionarily-wise?
"Look closely. The beautiful may be small."


"Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the oftener and more steadily we reflect on them: the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me."


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Re: What the... does this dream mean?

Postby Orbie » Wed Apr 01, 2015 5:27 pm

Yes, the hidden meanings at once become exposed, the connection between realities attempted to be correlated.

To give You an example. I had a dream two nights ago, and this is off track Magsj's train of images, but would like to diverge a bit. I dreamt that I was in a dream, dreaming, knowing that it was only a dream ..
That's strange enough as it is. This was an image dream, innotherwords thinking in visuals. That I was in this beautiful trail. Then I woke up, and could not place the trail. Then, forgetting about it, decided to have a hike in an old park, I hadnt visited for over a year, and it reminds of that painting I have which is so much like it by an English romantic artist.

I started my hike, and suddenly realized, the trail was exactly the one I had seen in my dream.

it seems it went full circle, from dream to dream within to reality. This is a type of dream, which is goal setting. I am astounded , that we are here talking about it, as it were in a sense a continuation of the process of linking dreams with reality.
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Re: What the... does this dream mean?

Postby Orbie » Wed Apr 01, 2015 5:27 pm

Arminius wrote:
Orb wrote:Why dream at all, if not for some purpose?

The purpose is a neurological (thus biological) one: information processing in order to keep the living being neurologically alive.

This seems to be the basic function
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Re: What the... does this dream mean?

Postby MagsJ » Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:27 pm

I am none the wiser...
The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite

I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get that time back, and I may need it for something at some point in time. Wait! What?

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Re: What the... does this dream mean?

Postby Orbie » Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:47 pm

Well, here is something for the juices, may-be, and this is a long shot, between Your first and the next or the preceding dream. I read through both of them,ms canning the first because I remembered it and one thing struck me.

That there is one element that is present in both dreams. it is the door. NIn the first Yiu saw a door opening which left in a bird. A bird represents freedom.

In this subsequent dream You speak of a dream closed,mot prevent a wild beast from coming in. except they come from different doors, but that really does not matter too much at this point. If Younwould have said one door was from the back the other from the from, I would not have hesitated to equivocate the tow doors with the subconscious and the conscious respectively. but one is from the garden and the other probably a private room. But even here, the bird comes from the outside, and the beast is already inside, meaning it impart of You. The beastnYounare considering is inside already, and You are fearful, and trying to set up blocks (the door)' boundaries. There is someone in there to whom You feel resistance, and feel that You may have let some one in, who may have not come close to Your expectations. I do believe 2 dreams can be correlated, in fact, any 2 dreams can if there is a common imaginary.
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Full well your need-as
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Re: What the... does this dream mean?

Postby Orbie » Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:56 pm

If, Magsj, You may want to disallow the connection between the two dreams, even then questions of freedom/vs/bondage enters the picture indirectly.
The free bird of the first is in stak contrast to the hedged in feeling elicited by having to keep out.
So indirectly it may actually mean the same thing, regardless of the different timing of the two dreams.

My interpretation is, hence, that You Have experienced a change of some sort, which impedes Your appears to freedom to an extent. what it is who knows, maybe only You, but the gamut can run all the way from a slight insignificant irritation, to a truly awful even horrifying being or event.
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Full well your need-as
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Then, your obedient

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