Unbearable Ambition

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Re: Unbearable Ambition

Postby Fixed Cross » Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:49 am

Stoic Guardian, simply dismissing you without justification will not do, I must explain myself, also for the sake of this thread and those who value it. I realize very well that your mind forces you to posit that someone who expresses something beyond what you can muster, as passion or as reason, is at fault, and that this forces you to invent the necessary context to sustain this idea. So you express your discontent and defile my thread. But I must make it clear, also to others, that this morality of the resentful is one of the main causes for the division of power in the word as it stands now.

Power belongs to those who do not condemn ambition. It is extracted from the masses by implanting in them the "Christian" idea that power and aspiration toward it is evil. I do not very often encounter so directly as in Stoic Guardian an expression of this morality, this explicit rejection of value-creating. It is one of the most un-hygienic type of encounters. It reminds me of what Nietzsche says about the underprivileged:
    "Take a look into the background of every family, every corporation, every community - everywhere you see the struggle of the sick against the healthy, a quiet struggle, for the most part, with a little poison powder, with needling, with deceitful expressions of long suffering, but now and then also with that sick man's Pharisaic tactic of loud gestures, whose favourite role is "noble indignation." It likes to make itself heard all the way into the consecrated rooms of science, that hoarse, booming indignation of the pathologically ill hound, the biting insincerity and rage of such "noble" Pharisees (once again I remind readers who have ears of Eugene Duhring, that apostle of revenge from Berlin, who in today's Germany makes the most indecent and most revolting use of moralistic gibberish - Duhring, the pre-eminent moral braggart we have nowadays, even among those like him, the anti-Semites). They are all men of resentment, these physiologically impaired and worm-eaten men, a totally quivering earthly kingdom of subterranean revenge, inexhaustible, insatiable in its outbursts against the fortunate, and equally in its masquerades of revenge, its pretexts for revenge. When would they attain their ultimate, most refined, most sublime triumph of revenge? Undoubtedly, if they could succeed in pushing their own wretchedness, all misery in general, into the consciences of the fortunate, so that the latter one day might begin to be ashamed of their good fortune and perhaps would say to themselves, "It's a shameful to be fortunate. There's too much misery!" . . ." [Nietzsche, Genealogy of Morals]
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Re: Unbearable Ambition

Postby Fixed Cross » Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:04 am

Pezer - I see anarchism as equally "within the system", if not more so, as the creation of a philosophy that transforms its laws. "The system" is simply "the world". None of us is in the position to define exactly what, at this point, the ruling principles of government are. On the one hand we have Authority Figure, to whose beliefs I grant a lot more credibility than to the ideas of those who ridicule him, even though I can certainly not support all that he says or what he proposes as a horizon to thought. It stands beyond question for me that AF has some useful information to share, notably on orgonite and related matters. Years ago I purchased some of the stuff because of a thread by him I read, and it is very powerful in its effects. That was a significant discovery and enough reason to respect AF more than most on this forum, in terms of the value he has to offer. On the other hand there is the sceptic idea that the government represents simply the unorganized conflict of interests, where there is no room for conspiracy, and which is sort of transparent. I find this idea appealing but not very credible. We need only to call to mind the speeches of Eisenhower and JFK, who were likely a bit more informed than we are, to realize that there is a bit more going on. A well organized, insidious and persistant force aimed at drawing power to itself. This is of course consistent with the idea of will to power. Anyone who dismisses conspiracy theories out of hand can not at the same time have understood Nietzsche in any significant way. But my point is that Nietzsche speaks of the desirability of "evil" power-unions. This is the matter on which political philosophy should concentrate at this point, and the matter to which neither AF nor James S Saint (easily the most powerful analytical thinker active on this board) have anything to say, so far. How can we deal with the status quo as anything but rebels? This is where value ontology comes in - but to understand how this works you have to understand what it means to create values. I recommend the posts by Parodites in production.
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Re: Unbearable Ambition

Postby Stoic Guardian » Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:51 am

I don't think ambition is inherintly evil, but Ambition with no Wisdom or Fortitude is just foolish.

Many a man has destroyed his own life along with others by simply allowing his passions to rule him.
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Re: Unbearable Ambition

Postby xhightension » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:01 pm

Fixed Cross wrote:I suffer from an ambition that is superhuman. Nothing of what any human in history has accomplished would be enough to satisfy my will to imprint my will on the world.


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Re: Unbearable Ambition

Postby Gobbo » Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:50 am

Nothing of what any human in history has accomplished would be enough to satisfy my will to imprint my will on the world.


The world will never know the greatest feats. I mean, think about it. You could even make the argument that the greatest feats necessitate secrecy/not for public consumption.

Now, I am hyper competitive, and that is not to say I am not going to try. I guess I just phrase the quest somewhat differently. I'm not trying to imprint anything on the world, so much as perfect myself.
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Re: Unbearable Ambition

Postby Mr Reasonable » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:47 am

Fixed Cross wrote:Ayn Rand said that no matter where he is, the man of will (or however she phrased it precisely) will make his fortune. .



This was your first mistake, and the one from which most of your problems probably stemmed. Ayn Rand is a chicken hawk propagandist who preys on immature minds. You should probably start reading different shit altogether. Having a mentality that's predominantly informed by information regarding social stratification is a really big waste of a life. Learn to enjoy yourself. It sounds like you don't know how.
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Re: Unbearable Ambition

Postby Arcturus Descending » Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:31 pm

Fixed Cross wrote:

I can only truly bear people who are strong at heart, and you seldom find more than one or two of them in one room...

Why is that, Fixed Cross?
I may be wrong here but perhaps when you are able to bear and to "see" the weak ones, and feel comfortable within your own skin with them, your whole philosophy will change. Does one not need to know one's self, to acknowledge if not all, at least, many of one's own human aspects, in order to see value and truth when it appears?

What do you think of Jesus? Do you think he was weak because he walked among those who were weak, he felt comfortable with them and identified with them? Does the 'truly' powerful person need to be surrounded by the strong at heart in order to feel and to know his own power? Or is the truly powerful person comfortable with and able to bear with all kinds of people? Sometimes we have a tendency to lean towards people and those things which make up for what we lack, even unconsciously, instead of developing within ourselves a balance.

It's true that birds of a feather flock together but we aren't often aware of just how those feathers came to be - what it was that they 'grew out of' and are continuing to grow out of. And sometimes those feathers get in the way of seeing the roots from which we developed. When we can see those roots and shape and apply them realistically, our ambition is not then unbearable but becomes a true raison de etre which flows out of a sense of love and solidarity.
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Re: Unbearable Ambition

Postby James S Saint » Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:54 pm

Both cowardice and complacency become frustrating to people with ambition.
Once burned by such people, the mind decides for all time that such people are "bad"/"unworthy"/"a hindrance".
Of course, the issue is one of getting frustrated - attempting to accomplish, disregarding the situation. Then making a decision "for all time", continuing to disregard future actual situations.

The "cure" is to instill within yourself the notion that if you are trying something and not getting anywhere, it is You who is disregarding reality.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
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You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

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Re: Unbearable Ambition

Postby Fixed Cross » Wed Aug 01, 2012 4:56 pm

xhightension wrote:
Fixed Cross wrote:I suffer from an ambition that is superhuman. Nothing of what any human in history has accomplished would be enough to satisfy my will to imprint my will on the world.


Do life effortlessly; engage in activities just for the sake of engaging. Don't seek yourself in everything you do. It's possible to be rather than to be as something

I do that but that is not all there is to life. I can enjoy days of just walking along the surf or preparing a nice dinner. But a deeper drive lives in me as well. We're not all built to be completely complacent and satisfied with taking things as they are, and I accept that.

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Nothing of what any human in history has accomplished would be enough to satisfy my will to imprint my will on the world.


The world will never know the greatest feats. I mean, think about it. You could even make the argument that the greatest feats necessitate secrecy/not for public consumption.

Now, I am hyper competitive, and that is not to say I am not going to try. I guess I just phrase the quest somewhat differently. I'm not trying to imprint anything on the world, so much as perfect myself.

That's cool.
I wish you'd post more on that, instead of on how bad the outer world is.
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Re: Unbearable Ambition

Postby Fixed Cross » Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:01 pm

Smears wrote:
Fixed Cross wrote:Ayn Rand said that no matter where he is, the man of will (or however she phrased it precisely) will make his fortune. .



This was your first mistake, and the one from which most of your problems probably stemmed. Ayn Rand is a chicken hawk propagandist who preys on immature minds. You should probably start reading different shit altogether. Having a mentality that's predominantly informed by information regarding social stratification is a really big waste of a life. Learn to enjoy yourself. It sounds like you don't know how.

You're an idiot for thinking that someone who quotes a writer is predominantly informed by similar writers. But thanks for the advice. I enjoy seeing people who spend their life running around drunk and stoned without any desire to reflect. I'll try to be more like you for the remainder of the day.
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Re: Unbearable Ambition

Postby Fixed Cross » Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:10 pm

Arcturus Descending wrote:
Fixed Cross wrote:

I can only truly bear people who are strong at heart, and you seldom find more than one or two of them in one room...

Why is that, Fixed Cross?
I may be wrong here but perhaps when you are able to bear and to "see" the weak ones, and feel comfortable within your own skin with them, your whole philosophy will change. Does one not need to know one's self, to acknowledge if not all, at least, many of one's own human aspects, in order to see value and truth when it appears?

In fact I've always been very gentle and accepting of weak people, but I noticed that the weak are not "innocent" but the opposite. Weak beings are almost necessarily parasites, even without intending to.

What do you think of Jesus? Do you think he was weak because he walked among those who were weak, he felt comfortable with them and identified with them? Does the 'truly' powerful person need to be surrounded by the strong at heart in order to feel and to know his own power? Or is the truly powerful person comfortable with and able to bear with all kinds of people? Sometimes we have a tendency to lean towards people and those things which make up for what we lack, even unconsciously, instead of developing within ourselves a balance.

Jesus was obviously more tolerant than I am in accepting the influences that forced themselves on him.
But the problem with being surrounded with weak people is not that it prevents me from feeling my power, but that there is a great dissonance between what I am and what I can express. Weak people do have the tendency to gang up and want to crucify the one who is not following weakling-urges.

It's true that birds of a feather flock together but we aren't often aware of just how those feathers came to be - what it was that they 'grew out of' and are continuing to grow out of. And sometimes those feathers get in the way of seeing the roots from which we developed. When we can see those roots and shape and apply them realistically, our ambition is not then unbearable but becomes a true raison de etre which flows out of a sense of love and solidarity.

When in Rome...
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Re: Unbearable Ambition

Postby Fixed Cross » Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:18 pm

James S Saint wrote:Both cowardice and complacency become frustrating to people with ambition.
Once burned by such people, the mind decides for all time that such people are "bad"/"unworthy"/"a hindrance".

Actually I first was so confident of the value of everyone around me, that I believed their judgments (this can't be done, you're crazy, blah blah, don't do it I feel scared, etc) to be relevant to my own. This thread was started around the time I rid myself if the idea that I can perceive anything accutrately (and therefore accept it as real) that does not enter directly into my own perspective. I was able to throw off the judgments of the weak.

Of course, the issue is one of getting frustrated - attempting to accomplish, disregarding the situation. Then making a decision "for all time", continuing to disregard future actual situations.

I just had to make one decision - to begin to anchor my own perspective. I then rediscovered that this was an immensely powerful ground to build on, and to think from. I started to enjoy the objections of weaker minds, as natural phenomena occurring wherever there is a strong self-achnoring. I kind of played around with that - I am still very tolerant of "real life" weak people. But I am wary of giving them any moral authority or weight just because they are weak.

The "cure" is to instill within yourself the notion that if you are trying something and not getting anywhere, it is You who is disregarding reality.

Of course. But in order to try to attian something, one must know what one wants to attain, in concrete terms. The ambition that is the subject of this thread has not, precisely like my ethics, been crystallized into concrete terms. It is still a drive, a sense of ascent, underlying the world of separate object(ives).
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Re: Unbearable Ambition

Postby James S Saint » Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:36 pm

I'll ask again;

What if after very careful study and consideration, you find that your ambitious goal isn't in line with your ethics?
What if your ethics actually indicates that you should NOT be trying to influence the world in such a way or become so wealthy?
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
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You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

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Re: Unbearable Ambition

Postby Fixed Cross » Thu Aug 02, 2012 12:32 pm

The point is never to become wealthy, or influential for the sake of wealth or influence. If that was the objective I would just have followed the path set out for me by my youth and society.
The unbearability of the ambition is in part due to the fact that most paths to wealth and influene involve compromising almost everything else, especially clarity. That is part of this threads "spirit" - the frustration with the constraints put on the nature of accomplishment by the structure of success. What counts as the greatest success in this world, as I wrote earlier, is quite meager. Precisely because it involves separation, fear, exclusion - it all directed toward the opposite of what I'd consider successful.

In any case I never formulated a specific ambitious goal. The OP describes the feeling of necessity, of potential.
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Re: Unbearable Ambition

Postby Arcturus Descending » Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:52 pm

Fixed Cross wrote:
Stoic Guardian wrote:Have you ever read Meditations by Marcus Aurelius?

I read part of it once, it felt vaguely Buddhist, strangely... but it was a long time ago. Would you recommend it? I might try it again, can you say something more about why this comes to your mind in this context?

I loved MA's Meditations - I thought they were beautiful. So much wisdom within them to reflect on. That is a man I would have loved to know. Could have sat for hours and hours and hours and hours exchanging with him. :lol: I received more and more the sense of Nietzsche's "amor fati" from it than anything else...as in love of fate...or one's own fate....

I want to learn more and more to see as beautiful what is necessary in things; then I shall be one of those who make things beautiful. Amor fati: let that be my love henceforth! I do not want to wage war against what is ugly. I do not want to accuse; I do not even want to accuse those who accuse. Looking away shall be my only negation. And all in all and on the whole: some day I wish to be only a Yes-sayer.
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But there were some moments when reading it, that I thought that Marcus Aurelius was just a bit too tough on himself..perhaps because he was a Roman Emperor and...duty first. There were times when he would have liked to simply chuck it all and disappear but alas ...duty first. He was a truly noble man in my book...and not solely because he was a Roman Emperor.
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Re: Unbearable Ambition

Postby James S Saint » Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:45 pm

Arcturus Descending wrote: I want to learn more and more to see as beautiful what is necessary in things; then I shall be one of those who make things beautiful. Amor fati: let that be my love henceforth! I do not want to wage war against what is ugly. I do not want to accuse; I do not even want to accuse those who accuse.

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Arcturus Descending wrote: Looking away shall be my only negation. And all in all and on the whole: some day I wish to be only a Yes-sayer.


[i]My formula for greatness in a human being is amor fati: that one wants nothing to be different, not forward, not backward, not in all eternity.

Not so wise.

Note that he chooses to love whatever is necessary but then declares, disregarding what might be necessary, to forever want for nothing to be different.

Loving the necessary is ensuring one's awareness of what is in need of being different and wanting/loving only the changing of it.. starting with oneself.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
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You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

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Re: Unbearable Ambition

Postby Arcturus Descending » Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:06 pm

Fixed Cross...

I thought of Icarus in reading some of what you wrote in here, FC. You know, we all have our own personal BUT sometimes unconscious myths which live within our psyches which drive, pull and motivate us. As far as I'm concerned, I think that sometimes that can be a good thing...depending on the myth and how we relate to it. I think the myth of Daedalus and Icarus is yours. Is it possible that you have become too overpowered by it? For me, our myths are meant to serve us by teaching and guiding intuitively - once we've discovered our own - showing us the ways in which to go but we have to be careful because at times they might harm or destroy us or others if we begin to live them too literally, if we get too caught up, (universally speaking) for instance, in our own self-aggrandizement, delusions and illusory ambition. Icarus in his own ambition flew too close, far too close to the sun and fell to Earth. Perhaps you've read the story - perhaps not. But probably. If not, perhaps it would be good for you to read and ponder it. I don't mean to say that in an arrogant way, FC -we can't always see ourselves if we are standing too much in our own light or trying to fly so high that the sun blinds the truth of us. I think that Lucifer (I'm not calling you a devil- don't believe in them) is a counterpart to Icarus. Both got in their own way of seeing the truth and pride always goes before the Fall. I think it is a very good thing to begin to peel back that onion (our perception of what is true - 'real'), despite how strong and negative its aroma may become, to come to the realization, if it be so, of why we seek to be so far beyond or 'unbearably' ambitious and in what way it might perchance serve us MORE or truly serves humanity. If we're afraid to even begin to do that - then there's a good chance that we instinctively and intuitively know the metaphorical onion is rotten to the core. And by the way, 'real' humility is not weakness but rather a strong, clear and integral knowlege of who we are. It brings us in harmony with who we are - it does not separate or diminish us.


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Re: Unbearable Ambition

Postby Fixed Cross » Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:29 pm

Actually, AD - the Icarus myth is ingrained so deeply in the northern European protestant mindset, it is so natural to think that one must not put ones head above the cornfield, that I dont think anyone around these parts is unfamiliar with the threat of flying too close to the sun. In fact, it took me extreme amounts of energy and courage to liberate myself from this disempowering idea. Because the idea is disempowering, and meant to keep people down (and governments up). It is related to "Render unto Caesar what is his" - a message saying: don't even try to be what you can be.

I foresee a very different future for man. The coming two thousand years will be, I expect, a steady preparation in which man learns that there is no God above who will punish him for aspiring to greatness, but only a dormant "divine" (fundamental) will that, on the contrary, wants the individual to "approach the sun", to shed the fear of rising above the mud of fear and superstition, to shed the authority of those who insist that individual must remain small, and to become conscious of being. In such a state no man or society will let itself be fooled into submission and servitude.

I\ve been "accused" both of being Icarus and Daedalus, by different people - I see this as a result of doing something people are afraid even to observe without judging it, let alone to do it - claiming my being for myself.
I hope and trust that more people will adopt my attitude in the coming millenia.
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Re: Unbearable Ambition

Postby LATT » Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:56 am

Sound to me like you need to do what I need to do with my ambitions and thats glen some perspective on the matter and realise we will never reach an end point that we think we desire not until the day we die, but its the chasing that we REALLY like. Its easy to lose sight of this though as we get so attached to the idea of fulling our ambitions. So yeah man i think the world needs more people with said ambitions but people with said ambitions may also have to deal with said ambitions :D
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Re: Unbearable Ambition

Postby Fixed Cross » Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:39 pm

A few years down the road, I must say that the ambition has in part given way to a confusion about what to do with what is in my hands. This is not a time where men who come forth with theories exist - this is a time for the scientific clergy, to blob together in anonymous goo, and repeat statements made a hundred years ago. The idea that science could progress, develop, has been absent for decennia. The quest for the Higgs boson is a sad and dreary reminder of this void.

What to do with this ambition, that still resides at the heart of the idea of value ontology?
I am a few years down the road as I said - a number of people have neen 'initiated' into the philosophy, and we are growing understanding in the dark. At this point I feel very little urge to share the views beyond my direct circle; it is perhaps better to let the world run its course for a while - as Einstein regretted the publication of his theory, when he found out the arms it was leading to, I am caught by a strong inhibition --- why would I actively seek to enlighten, if knowledge is usually used for nefarious ends?

This time must be one of the stupidest times in human history; the clergical belief in the base derivations of scientfic determinism, 'philosophical determinism', is nauseating as maggots are, the sheer passivity and reliance on death, that these ideas require and select; the scientific paradigm of this age is one that commands absolute apathy and lethargy facing The Truth; and it is enough that my mind has been a sword to destroy this paradigm within my own world -- I have sort of lost the hope that, within the coming years, men will be open to a less lethargic position.

So we continue to build in the dark.
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Re: Unbearable Ambition

Postby Fixed Cross » Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:54 pm

On the other hand it is pleasurable to share views, to radiate outward, even without the purpose of bringing them across effectively. A sun does not care if its rays are received; it must simply radiate enormous amounts of fury by the nature of his being. I think the same applies to me. The past years I have felt happiest when I would just write, write, and create-onward, as I once saw the nature of the universe in a flash of clarity when I bit on a spine of a chicken in a tapas bar; I tossed away the spine, aware of the infinitely beautiful complexity of its making; this product of perfect intelligence now only served as a stick to hold some meat, for a more complex organism to devour. And similarly, I can not hope to "be" anything except that which I create, even though it may at one time be used as toilet paper; this is not my concern. I must work to the utmost of my capacity to create-onward, or else I simply do not exist - I must be both the process of evolving a spine and of irreverently eating that which that spine holds together; and in this I find my happiness.
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Re: Unbearable Ambition

Postby Fixed Cross » Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:14 pm

And yet, the world is waiting for the theory; at least, the greater part of sensible scientific minds are waiting for something of the sort; the very quest for the Higgs Boson is a misguided statement of the wish for a consistent epistemology; the proposed god particle is in reality an absent logic, a piece of knowlegde that 'ties the atom together' - in the human mind. But the world, currently in political and sanitary turmoil, does not appear like a place to disclose such logics right now. It does not feel as if a profound expanse of our congnitive sphere is on the agenda right now - it seems wiser to patiently let the stem grow and allow it to break out of the forest into the light at its own pace. To be discovered, seen only when it has grown its roots so deep into the internet, into the ungraspable and uncontainable community of anonymous thinkers, that it can not be defined in terms of the Academic Lodge, not contained by its greedy clutches.

Science and Academia never were so far apart. Academia has truly and wholly replaced the Church of Constantine. It is perhaps even preferable to rely on the internet as a basis for a whole new type of Academy; I utterly refuse and refute the corrosive standards of academic scholarship, and do not wish to even touch this realm. Yes indeed, the internet offers a way of building a basis of knowledge and method that is as solid and consistent as Aristotle ever hoped for his science to become; indeed perhaps we can finally replace the dreaded University with a true Academy.
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Re: Unbearable Ambition

Postby Arcturus Descending » Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:17 pm

I think that you became what you wanted to be really - a supernova.

What now?
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Re: Unbearable Ambition

Postby Orbie » Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:33 pm

The successful demonstration of the Unified Field Theory. Where there may come a time when the Church of Scientology will become what it should have become in the first place, theplace of worship of a totally pantheistic God of every nuance of science and relgion, incoprorating all religions, Muslim, Science of Mind , Televangelism, Communistic Capitalistic Humanism , Existentialism, every ism which ever existed, in a retro fit of pragmatic usage
ad hoc, and correspondingly, all members of such congregation holding hands worldwide, realizing in an instant, that all is one.

John Lenon, "Imagine"

But seriously, it is not at all a mindset of spiritually based belief to hope for a micro instand of total peac, incorporating the non materialistic conception of the thrust of consciousness in it's self. This is no Supernova, it is a cosmic seed ready to create new forms , new worlds, and to become God, again. (For others' to reoccur)
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Re: Unbearable Ambition

Postby Fixed Cross » Fri Oct 24, 2014 4:06 pm

A supernova is the source of seeds of life. I like the comparison, as indeed I have spent the initial 'star' quite fully across the darkness of space, the internet; the content of the theory propelled with the force of my own self-valuing. This force of joy was, in the beginnings after the discovery, immense, indeed almost unberable.

The years passing, I became more used to it and found calmer ways of discourse. I'll post the recent talk I had with SIATD on the subject again. The difference between the initial passion of the OP and the rather calm way in which I speak here represents the transformation from supernova/cosmic body (I felt wholly superhuman, beyond human standards of possibility as they had been taught to me) and the 'mere mortal' state of one sensible human talking to another.



But all sensibility and modesty taken for what it is, the theory has implications far beyond politics. The scientific implications are much more dramatic, as they point to things that were truly unthinkable and thus un-wishable and un-fearable, whereas the political aspect only points to quite well known realities; be they of capitalism, socialism, monarchism, anarchism, aristocracy, any form. The world is quite ready for these insights, nor are they especially revolutionary in their implications. Nothing will change, politically, if man understands himself better; this will not cause power-mongers to back down. But in science, once a new overarching systemic law has been disclosed, the entire apparatus shifts its course. There is more than one way to initiate such a shift; I wonder if the consequences will differ very much, though.

Because of this I do not feel pressured; or do I? I can not tell anymore. I suppose Ive always felt pressured, in the face of human understanding, to have my say; human understanding has always seemed unbearably primitive to me, even when I was a child. There was one fundamental idiocy that bothered me most; the presupposed 'coldness' of science, its presupposed 'neutrality'.
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