"Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Fri Nov 27, 2015 5:29 pm

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Trixie Z wrote:Avoiding negative thoughts is a weakness. that is how you get PTSD, because you are a coward. You must accept the negative thoughts, let them rape you, and only then will you be free.
Avoiding negative feelings might contribute to PTSD or depression. I say might, it's too vague a rule to be useful. But avoiding negative thoughts is not going to create PTSD. But hey, let us know where you got this idea from.

Having PTSD and depression. You need to go with the flow.

If you resist the thoughts, it gives them more power, and PTSD worsens. If you have depression, its best to embrace the sadness.
If you have a stomach ache, resisting the pain will make it worse. Resistance in of itself is pain.
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby anand_droog » Sat Nov 28, 2015 8:07 am

Trixie, why embrace the pain?
Why not embrace "the leaf" instead? It'll help get over the pain and sadness!
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby Moreno » Sat Nov 28, 2015 12:10 pm

Trixie Z wrote:Having PTSD and depression. You need to go with the flow.
The flow with PTSD is not changed by avoiding negative thoughts. Avoiding, completely negative feelings might cause you problems, especially since you will likely need drugs to do this. With depression, no you are quite wrong. It helps to think other things. Fuck, even shallow CBT approaches help people. Combine it with some real working through the traumatic moments on an emotional level and it is very effective. Depression gets worse if you let those thoughts take you over. They are like a machine in the mind.

If you resist the thoughts, it gives them more power, and PTSD worsens. If you have depression, its best to embrace the sadness.
It is good to embrace the sadness, when sadness comes up, sadness not being depression. But the thoughts about how X will lead to Y which will lead to Z which will mean I am always alone. And mulling over and over over mistakes or sitting there in stuck mental routines worrying about death are all utter dead ends and for the depressive really dangerous.

If you have a stomach ache, resisting the pain will make it worse. Resistance in of itself is pain.
[/quote]and of course pain in the stomach, is not a thought.
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby Ierrellus » Sat Nov 28, 2015 3:07 pm

Trixie,
You are not Major depression. You experience its dis-ease.
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Sat Nov 28, 2015 3:15 pm

anand_droog wrote:Trixie, why embrace the pain?
Why not embrace "the leaf" instead? It'll help get over the pain and sadness!


Dunno what a leaf means.
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby Ierrellus » Sat Nov 28, 2015 3:36 pm

Trixie Z wrote:
anand_droog wrote:Trixie, why embrace the pain?
Why not embrace "the leaf" instead? It'll help get over the pain and sadness!


Dunno what a leaf means.

Mary Jane. "Marijuana".
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby Ierrellus » Sat Nov 28, 2015 3:36 pm

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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Sat Nov 28, 2015 3:40 pm

MJ does nothing for me.
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby Ierrellus » Sat Nov 28, 2015 3:41 pm

Trixie Z wrote:MJ does nothing for me.

Nor for me.
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby anand_droog » Sun Nov 29, 2015 4:16 am

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Trixie Z wrote:MJ does nothing for me.

Nor for me.


Oh so you've tried it before. Great...
So, it does nothing?
Hmm... possibly because of the inherently lower Norepi/white matter levels in your brains, which is what cannabis acts upon* -- it's so low that you don't feel any difference.
But low is still not 0, and it seems cannabis can help make it higher by interacting with and stimulating white matter to grow. High levels of white matter are good for long life and freedom from, for instance, white matter disease**, depression, dementia etc.

* http://www.djedefsauron.net/index.php?o ... Itemid=141

** Dr. Nicole Anderson: "Our findings add to a growing body of evidence that white matter disease is a discreet saboteur in the brain, impacting a large number of cognitive functions. It is responsible for about a fifth of all strokes worldwide (Sudlow, 1997), more than doubles the future risk of stroke (Debette 2010, Vermeer, 2007), and is a contributing factor in up to 45% of dementias (Gorelick, 2011).” The prevalent view is based on an “evil, villainous disease” idea, saying: “white matter disease is a mind-robbing condition that targets small blood vessels deep within the brain's white matter. The disease hardens the tiny arteries, gradually restricting nutrients to white matter” – but the victim’s genes/lifestyle/environment, which results in less axonic/white matter processes, and more of the dendritic/Dopaminic – is more worthy of blame. White matter withers away (the use or lose law) even as grey matter declares its fiefdoms in the brain.
Source: http://www.djedefsauron.net/index.php?o ... Itemid=146
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Sun Nov 29, 2015 6:22 am

I disagree. Though it may be true for all cases, it is not for me.

Cannabis was over effective for me, due to mental feminization (and presumed white matter increase.)

When my moods are feminine, my brain structureally alters itself. Cannabis is over effective to the point where it is inneffective. It is like my brain is already on cannabis before I take it and numb or drowned to it. In school I would laugh in class for no reason, and I was a nice and loving person, before I ever touched this stuff.

When my moods are masculine, it is like I am in another mode. I can not even feel the effects cannabis has on me. The main feature of this mode is my inability to laugh while in masculine mode.
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby Ierrellus » Sun Nov 29, 2015 3:15 pm

My mind has always gone to strange and wonderful places without need of drug transport. I've tried the best marijuana out there with no trips, no hallucinogenic experience, no escape from stubborn reality. Only alcohol brings pain and pleasure to my senses and thought. It allows me to express naked thoughts in the company of judges. Given my family medical history, I could die at any time from heart attack or stroke. If so, I'll go out with a buzz.
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby anand_droog » Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:28 am

Trixie Z wrote:I disagree. Though it may be true for all cases, it is not for me.

Cannabis was over effective for me, due to mental feminization (and presumed white matter increase.)

When my moods are feminine, my brain structureally alters itself. Cannabis is over effective to the point where it is inneffective. It is like my brain is already on cannabis before I take it and numb or drowned to it. In school I would laugh in class for no reason, and I was a nice and loving person, before I ever touched this stuff.

When my moods are masculine, it is like I am in another mode. I can not even feel the effects cannabis has on me. The main feature of this mode is my inability to laugh while in masculine mode.





Trixie your idea of mental masculinity/feminity is not 100% correct, it is only 50%correct. Let me explain how.

There are two types of people, right brain dominated people (more white matter-oriented) and left brain dominated people (more gray matter-oriented) .

As a general rule, females are always relatively balanced, oriented neither too much towards left brain nor too much towards right brain -- relatively more balanced than males (that's why double-chins are rarer in females, or why their corpus callosum is larger).

Your idea of mental masculinity sees only one side of the spectrum. Kannerian males have more gray matter than females, so you call "more gray matter", as masculine.

However, from the other side of the spectrum, Aspergian males have more white matter than females, so I can just as well claim that "masculinity" involves more white matter than gray... (by the way, that is the viewpoint of some of the tomboy elites, who are disgusted by gray matter-dominant male behaviours like back-scratching and chimpanzism, and consider that to be unbefitting of true males)

And if you think that mental pleasure that causes tears of laughter is something "feminine" and futile -- I hope some greater power can save you from dementia and depression. Cannabis can save you, or at least greatly improve your condition.
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Wed Dec 02, 2015 3:52 pm

Saying cannibis can save someone from depression is like saying joker toxin can save someone from depression.

Your research is psuedoscientific and studies show autists have poorer quality white matter, thus their inabilty to connect with ordinary people (aka Sherlock Holmes.)

http://www.futurity.org/with-autism-alt ... -in-brain/

If autists have more white matter, it is because they have larger brains, and thus it is proportioned.

Liars have 26 percent more white matter in their brains.

This article states that autists have more white matter than non-autists, but it seem to be associated with language disorder.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15048892

I don't see how scratching one's back makes one a chimpanzee. Is it not rational to scratch an itch?
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby anand_droog » Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:34 pm

Trixie Z wrote:Saying cannibis can save someone from depression is like saying joker toxin can save someone from depression.


onward to your doom then.

Trixie Z wrote: Your research is psuedoscientific and studies show autists have poorer quality white matter, thus their inabilty to connect with ordinary people (aka Sherlock Holmes.)


that's simplistic overgeneralization; Kannerian autists have poorer quality white matter, while Aspergian Autists have better quality white matter! Besides, you contradict yourself by then saying, "This article states that autists have more white matter than non-autists"

My research is Pseudo-scientific? You clearly don't understand the meaning of that term, you're just abusing it like a Ptolemaic dogmatist ;)


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Liars have 26 percent more white matter in their brains.


That's the funniest research i ever read! To call one a "liar" and then find that he has more white matter, is ludicrous in how -- how can one (who presumes himself a great exemplar of truth) label the other a "liar", to begin with?
Reminds me of the familiar historical situation of psychopaths taking over a sanitarium and declaring those mad who declare them mad!


Trixie Z wrote: I don't see how scratching one's back makes one a chimpanzee. Is it not rational to scratch an itch?


You took it literally!... By "back-scratching and chimpanzism" i meant solution-fetching, militarist male bonding -- male herdism as opposed to individualism -- how that sucks! Ask any tomboy!
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:54 pm

anand_droog wrote:
Trixie Z wrote:Saying cannibis can save someone from depression is like saying joker toxin can save someone from depression.


onward to your doom then.

So if you offer someone a medication and they say it doesn't work for them, your response is "Onward to your doom"? Yeah, you're a real hero.

My research is Pseudo-scientific? You clearly don't understand the meaning of that term, you're just abusing it like a Ptolemaic dogmatist ;)
Yeah I do. There isn't that much evidence for your claims, only 1 or 2 studies here and there, so it reeks of something you'd find at the Akashic corner.

That's the funniest research i ever read! To call one a "liar" and then find that he has more white matter, is ludicrous in how -- how can one (who presumes himself a great exemplar of truth) label the other a "liar", to begin with?
Reminds me of the familiar historical situation of psychopaths taking over a sanitarium and declaring those mad who declare them mad!

I don't see the analogy. They were self-proclaimed liars, and they scanned their brains and said it had white matter. Either the studies are true or false. If the studies are false, you might as well say the studies the prove your claims true are false too, psuedoscience.

Trixie Z wrote: I don't see how scratching one's back makes one a chimpanzee. Is it not rational to scratch an itch?


You took it literally!... By "back-scratching and chimpanzism" i meant solution-fetching, militarist male bonding -- male herdism as opposed to individualism -- how that sucks! Ask any tomboy!

Tomboy feminist lesbians, are usually pro military, and they are some of the most herdlike creatures there are, they are a bunch of cliquey man haters.
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:07 pm

Heh, you wonder why a showed an article that contradicted my thesis? That's called real science. Im obligated to show all test results, even data that doesnt correspond with my thesis. What you did is psuedo science.

Here, I am going to make a topic that is pure psuedoscience so you can see an example. It's going to be called "Male/Female Brains...What is the difference? Psuedoscience at it's finest."
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby anand_droog » Sat Dec 05, 2015 9:12 am

Trixie Z wrote:I don't see the analogy. They were self-proclaimed liars, and they scanned their brains and said it had white matter. Either the studies are true or false. If the studies are false, you might as well say the studies the prove your claims true are false too, psuedoscience.


"Self-proclaimed liars"...

OK, i get it -- EZ!

I bet that EVERYONE has lied at least once in their lives.

So your "self-proclaimed liars" are actually the more honest people around!
But look at a psychopath, or a serial liar -- will he ever claim that he has lied? NO*!

"But he will never admit to lies, even with evidence shown to him."
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby Magnus Anderson » Sun Dec 06, 2015 5:20 am

Moreno wrote:And mulling over and over over mistakes or sitting there in stuck mental routines worrying about death are all utter dead ends and for the depressive really dangerous.


Trixie is right. You must not under-think your thoughts. But you are right too. You must not over-think them either.

You must stand above your thoughts FIRMLY. This is will controlling the instinct. The other two outcomes are two opposite forms of instinct dominating will.

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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby Magnus Anderson » Sun Dec 06, 2015 5:35 am

How does a healthy will-instinct relation work?

In a healthy will-instinct relation each instinct is given an optimal level of expression. This means that no instinct is over-expressed and no instinct is under-expressed. The individual in such a state guesses "the rhythm of his instincts" correctly.

In an unhealthy will-instinct relation, the individual becomes clingy by over-attaching to a certain instinct, thus over-emphasizing some instincts and under-emphasizing others.

When an individual is exposed to a lot of chaos, the individual is forced to do a lot of difficult "dance" so to speak. It must change its attention from one instinct to another quickly and timely, lest it become over-attached.

The most effective way, however, is to learn how to slow down and in the process dissolve the entagled neurotic elements.

To be continued . . .
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby Moreno » Sun Dec 06, 2015 2:39 pm

Magnus Anderson wrote:
Moreno wrote:And mulling over and over over mistakes or sitting there in stuck mental routines worrying about death are all utter dead ends and for the depressive really dangerous.


Trixie is right. You must not under-think your thoughts. But you are right too. You must not over-think them either.

You must stand above your thoughts FIRMLY. This is will controlling the instinct. The other two outcomes are two opposite forms of instinct dominating will.

I now proclaim you to be friends. You can kiss each other.

In the context of depression underthinking would be not considering something like I deserve to die because she broke up with me
once at best. Not much more value can be gained form thinking that again. The first time allows you to notice that something really strange is going on in your inner ecology. Despressives can come back to such a thought thousands of times over a couple of days.

And of course the thinking is an avoidance. It is a circular repetition to not shift. Feelings however do need to be felt and getting the depressives loops out of the way allows the progression in the feelings.

So sure, there is a balance point, but it is as close to zero as possible while still being a unit.

I am pretty sure Trixie is conflating thoughts and feelings and also that he is taking the depressives thoughts at face value.
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby Ierrellus » Fri Dec 11, 2015 2:02 pm

My demons propagandize their self-destructive natures in my brain/mind. Am I they? Are they I? If we are one, what makes the distinction that is able to oppose them to some extent? Why do they shy away from medicine?
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby Ierrellus » Sun Dec 13, 2015 2:53 pm

Hey, I've just arrived in the rant house where an armchair psychiatrist claims to know not only what's wrong with me, but how to fix it! :lol:
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