"Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby captaincrunk » Mon May 08, 2017 5:16 am

Ierrellus wrote:So far, I've been able to go 13 weeks without alcohol and 9 weeks without tobacco. I've accomplished this after over 50 years of smoking heavily and drinking at least a quart of beer a day. I attribute my success on these matters to good meds (I suffer from major depression) and good, cognitive therapy. I did not just pull myself up by my own bootstraps. I simply said enough is enough and am trying to stick to it despite my spells of depression.
So it's not all bad out here in therapy land.

Congrats on your hard work paying off. I am glad to hear that psychotherapy has been helpful to you.

Knowing what you know 9 months later, what do you think should be the key focus for an industry trying to help others in similar situations?
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby Ierrellus » Mon May 08, 2017 2:08 pm

Thanks, Captain. I'm no role model for anyone, just lucky at ridding myself of some toxic addictions. I'm still an addict by nature and am still mentally ill. About the depression, meds and good counseling can help, but cannot totally erase the deleterious effects of genetics and society. About the addictions, I thought long and hard about how I would like to live the last years of my life. I'm 74. I could not have given up these addictions at 50.
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby captaincrunk » Mon May 08, 2017 9:00 pm

Ierrellus wrote:Thanks, Captain. I'm no role model for anyone, just lucky at ridding myself of some toxic addictions. I'm still an addict by nature and am still mentally ill. About the depression, meds and good counseling can help, but cannot totally erase the deleterious effects of genetics and society. About the addictions, I thought long and hard about how I would like to live the last years of my life. I'm 74. I could not have given up these addictions at 50.

I did drug counseling for a few years. It's tough work watching people fail so often. I learned to measure success not by lack of relapses in my clients but instead in how long they stayed clean. And also that even if many fail to stay clean this time that they can remember what they learned and try again.
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby WendyDarling » Mon May 08, 2017 9:13 pm

Earlier detection and prevention of full blown, untreated mental illness by way of offering healthier alternatives earlier in life. Many people with mental illness self-medicate with all sorts addictions to "stabilize" themselves, but once you live an unbalanced life for so long, do you even understand what moderation is any more?
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby anand_droog » Tue May 09, 2017 5:42 pm

WendyDarling wrote:Earlier detection and prevention of full blown, untreated mental illness by way of offering healthier alternatives earlier in life. Many people with mental illness self-medicate with all sorts addictions to "stabilize" themselves, but once you live an unbalanced life for so long, do you even understand what moderation is any more?


I really can't diagnose any pressing mental issue in you, Ierrellus...

I'm sure he understands moderation, Wendy darling...

(but moderation works only for some things like weed, i'd not go anywhere near tobacco even in a moderated way)...

Lose not hope. You may be old, but i think what has been wronged, can be repaired to a remarkable extent... now even the mainstreamers are accepting what some of us have been saying here...

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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby Meno_ » Tue May 09, 2017 6:40 pm

Generally , it may be safe to say that most mentAl illnesses, have their roots in early development , and cognitive dissidents is at the root. Onset usually is at adolescence or the next stage-young adulthood because reality becomes manifest as an autonomy.

Very early childhood mentAl illness is the outcome of the insucessful resolution of basic trust
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby WendyDarling » Wed May 10, 2017 5:22 am

Meno_ wrote:Generally , it may be safe to say that most mentAl illnesses, have their roots in early development , and cognitive dissidents is at the root. Onset usually is at adolescence or the next stage-young adulthood because reality becomes manifest as an autonomy.

Very early childhood mentAl illness is the outcome of the insucessful resolution of basic trust


So it's all psychosomatic? [-(
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby Meno_ » Wed May 10, 2017 6:39 am

Generally speaking it is safe to say that psychosomatic caused illness outweighs genetic burden.
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby WendyDarling » Wed May 10, 2017 6:49 am

Not as a sole contributing factor, nope. You be wrong. Intense emotional issues simply exacerbate the genetic baseline's deficiencies spotlighting those deficiencies earlier in perceptive children who do recognize the dishonest nature of adult interactions with them.<---in a nutshell. :evilfun:
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby WendyDarling » Wed May 10, 2017 6:57 am

Anand wrote
I really can't diagnose any pressing mental issue in you, Ierrellus...

I'm sure he understands moderation, Wendy darling...

(but moderation works only for some things like weed, i'd not go anywhere near tobacco even in a moderated way)...


Actually I was trying to answer the Captain's question. Also, I meant moderation by means of internal self-regulation rather than external behaviors.
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby Ierrellus » Wed May 10, 2017 3:29 pm

Meno_ wrote:Generally speaking it is safe to say that psychosomatic caused illness outweighs genetic burden.

Not so. My mother attempted suicide when I was ten. When I was 21 I tried it for myself.
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby Artimas » Wed May 10, 2017 5:08 pm

Ierrellus wrote:
Meno_ wrote:Generally speaking it is safe to say that psychosomatic caused illness outweighs genetic burden.

Not so. My mother attempted suicide when I was ten. When I was 21 I tried it for myself.


Tried once, but I cant say it was a full on attempt..

Watched my mom try when I was young too, really young. I don't know if there ever will be a cure or method to alleviate mental illness

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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby Meno_ » Wed May 10, 2017 5:28 pm

My youngest son attempted suicide and succeeded
I have been very depressed since then, but could not think of taking my life.

Why? Because I have others to care for, and also consider the sanctity of life.

And lastly, because my dread of death still can be overcome by the first 2 above.
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A famous test to help you "know thyself"

Postby anand_droog » Wed May 10, 2017 6:20 pm

I wrote something today, just for you guys... then I cut the text from here and inserted it into my website, link below:

http://www.djedefsauron.net/index.php?o ... Itemid=125

So, as I was saying there:
Time for the "analysts" to explore nonlinear writings like mine, and drop their "statistical" "proofs" of recycled, uninspired, and frankly ludicrous theories... and their coffee/tobacco/alcohol...
(feel free to pick up a pure weed joint*, though)...

* Wendy darling, what do they think of weed in Hades (I've been fascinated by Hades for a while)?


Importantly...
I'd love it if you all take this test ...

https://www.16personalities.com/free-personality-test

And post your results...
I'm a "diplomat", by the way...
I'm an exception here, most people who hang out in online forums are "analysts" addicted to debate for its own sake... i for one mostly dislike debating, i'm a serial monologuist who visits because I have something unique, important to say...
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby Artimas » Wed May 10, 2017 7:10 pm

https://www.16personalities.com/profiles/ed25486625b3e

Looks like I am an Analyst, according to that test.

A "god" who deserves worship will be humble enough to reject it; A "god" who demands worship will not be worthy of it.

All smoke fades, as do all delicate mirrors shatter.

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"Science Fiction today ~ Science Fact tomorrow"

Change is inevitable, it can only be delayed or sped up. Choose wisely.

Truth is pain, and pain is gain.


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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby WendyDarling » Thu May 11, 2017 12:03 am

Your Results

“THE MEDIATOR” (INFP-T)
DIPLOMAT
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby anand_droog » Fri May 12, 2017 5:47 pm

Nice... I too am a diplomat, mediator.

(Just noticed...
Your hands are tied, Wendy darling??)

All 16 types are likeable when you understand them and why they evolved so.
Even Analysts are likeable to me, though that requires a bit more effort from my side.

Though at times I feel more like "diplomat, Advocate" or "diplomat, Protagonist"...

Ultimately, it's my destiny to be a Protagonist...

btw, I found an epic poem:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plgg9sSLRvQ

but I could have written better lyrics... this makes him seem like too much of a tyrant! I love the concept of Ra... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra

in particular, see:
"I am the New World Order to come, I am the first* and the last**"

* [RISING SUN or white SUN]
** [SETTING SUN or black SUN]

Well, of course, an Italian Triarii Elite (King of Heaven and Earth) will be expected to sing that...

But I like more the concept of supercharged-Ra, that is, THIRD SUN [SUN OF THE SKY], the first [Sia] and the last [Hu] being merely the 2 main pillars that support Ra...

The King of Heaven, Earth, and Hell...

That is the truest form of Ra... not just Emperor and demigod, but a God on earth, a consummated philosopher-king...
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby James S Saint » Sat May 13, 2017 1:26 am

MagsJ, regardless of any test results, you are very far from anything associated with "architect".
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby WendyDarling » Sat May 13, 2017 2:36 am

Anand,

Your writing style...nice. You I get, but the analytical will bring their wrath upon you for your flagrant indulgences in light-heartedness light of their rigmarole of hard evidence.

btw, I found an epic poem:


Am I the only one to find that "unsettling?" Must be a guy thing.

(Just noticed...
Your hands are tied, Wendy darling??)


Heartstrings are binding.
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby MagsJ » Sat May 13, 2017 4:39 am

James S Saint wrote:MagsJ, regardless of any test results, you are very far from anything associated with "architect".

Then do tell what (you think) I am?
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby James S Saint » Sat May 13, 2017 4:46 am

MagsJ wrote:
James S Saint wrote:MagsJ, regardless of any test results, you are very far from anything associated with "architect".

Then do tell what (you think) I am?

There are rules against that.

I was just noting what you are NOT.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby MagsJ » Sat May 13, 2017 5:01 am

James S Saint wrote:There are rules against that.

I was just noting what you are NOT.

I see a deja-vu happening all over again.. please don't hound and troll me like Turd did over this very same issue.. in revenge for whatever he felt vengeful about.

Let me rephrase my question then.. so why do you think I am not? and why do you care to comment on me (and nobody else) in the first place?
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby anand_droog » Sat May 13, 2017 8:01 am

Wendy Darling,
Good advice, yeah the analytic-dominated print world will misunderstand me and take offense, but I still tend to come across naturally, just as I always have... due to force of habit (or personality).

As long as the few like you understand, I really haven't cared much if most do not, but that's just laziness, only starting to work on delivery, not easy for someone as nonlinear as me...

Heartstrings are binding...
I think i get it...
I'm OK as long as you're optimally free.
Can't just have a mental image of a damsel in distress without finding out more, you know...

Fall in love without much (if any) provocation...
Just thinking of a Sophia-like figure makes me literally (and biochemically) more of a "philosopher" (Philo-sophia... hah!)

Maybe we meet when i come to Eastern Europe next month...

Anyway...

I advocate a philosophically consummated Ra (a stable Third Sun), the upholder of objective logic with a global mandate... king of all 3 realms (heaven, hell, earth), not necessarily the typical 2-pronged one (king of heaven and earth)...

Dunno why Triarii says "Kneel down for me", "New world order"... etc., I don't agree. Possibly because the Third Sun went kaput long ago, now staffed by weak and ill-advised Sun-Black Sun coalitions (as in the pope-antipope bloc in Italy)...

As for historic Rome...
I find some of its syndromes (specifically war and bipolaristic power (leading to ultimately meaningless and impotent tendencies as in Mussolinite fascism)) as unsettling as you...

Rome was no Third Sun Empire, though one of the later emperors (or was it a key General?) did "worship" a concept of 3 suns (read about that long back didn't realize the importance of it, then... sadly forgot his name... can anyone help with this?)
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby Fixed Cross » Thu Aug 31, 2017 2:27 am

MagsJ is certainly an architect in the sense of moderation - she knows how things fall into place.

Architecture isn't as simple as you think it is, James - my point all along.



Mental illness ... always a condition of society, or of family or of whatever type of irrational resistances to power a human environment has. Mental illness does not occur in the wild. Rather, it is a beings escape into the wild from the insane conditions of humanity.
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