Vampires sleep light because even within their least horrific nightmares they realise it is daylight out there.
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Re: Vampire
by Meno_ » Sat Oct 12, 2019 7:49 pm
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Re: Vampire
by Meno_ » Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:35 pm
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.
There is a Muse,
Thread,
Cause Schoenhauer was right about the pleasure principle of illusion
About the veil,
The veil, 7 veils,
Salome& Salome
1 Salome Nietzche's friend
2 The other the dancer for the dance,
Nietzche wrong (ed)
On pleasure principle cause illusion's torn veil,
Contra,
Wagner vs. Nietzsche
The Romantic Idiom.Sustained, says a highest judge,
Sustained, in some far out eternity
No one present
In court except few art
4 set's sake,(4 art, but AI said Set(h)
((1 better then the portrait))
The illusion of the deal
Reduced, reduced
To a mere principal
The reality principal.
AI simulation!
AI simulated stimulation, reduced to some kind, (some not) kind,
kind of kind reality,
Whereupon perception reins supreme, all patented ,
And the idiom of the archaic is sustained in the economy,
inverse trajectory between political and the libidinal economy of the ID,.
War of worlds between AI and ID.
Origen fooled, and the the Demiurge taking up the slack inverted the paradigm.
Who in hell can see that, and not confuse it with what's underneath?
Perhaps by a slimmer, slimmest chance, Faust maybe.
That is why nowedays undressing someone in their mind, has lost appeal, the unveiled gnash their teeth and tear their hair.
Peace be with You. Anno Domini MMXIX.
Reply with quote
.
There is a Muse,
Thread,
Cause Schoenhauer was right about the pleasure principle of illusion
About the veil,
The veil, 7 veils,
Salome& Salome
1 Salome Nietzche's friend
2 The other the dancer for the dance,
Nietzche wrong (ed)
On pleasure principle cause illusion's torn veil,
Contra,
Wagner vs. Nietzsche
The Romantic Idiom.Sustained, says a highest judge,
Sustained, in some far out eternity
No one present
In court except few art
4 set's sake,(4 art, but AI said Set(h)
((1 better then the portrait))
The illusion of the deal
Reduced, reduced
To a mere principal
The reality principal.
AI simulation!
AI simulated stimulation, reduced to some kind, (some not) kind,
kind of kind reality,
Whereupon perception reins supreme, all patented ,
And the idiom of the archaic is sustained in the economy,
inverse trajectory between political and the libidinal economy of the ID,.
War of worlds between AI and ID.
Origen fooled, and the the Demiurge taking up the slack inverted the paradigm.
Who in hell can see that, and not confuse it with what's underneath?
Perhaps by a slimmer, slimmest chance, Faust maybe.
That is why nowedays undressing someone in their mind, has lost appeal, the unveiled gnash their teeth and tear their hair.
Peace be with You. Anno Domini MMXIX.
epistle of st john
.
This apolitical trickery? In fact vascillation between them , as they are interconnected was a misnomer, perhaps to decompress the light within the darkness. Where in at the time such simplicity beyond them and the presence of light could not completely erase the total eclipse, for that was the first prenominal imagination.
There is a Muse,
Thread,
Cause Schoenhauer was right about the pleasure principle of illusion
About the veil,
The veil, 7 veils,
Salome& Salome
1 Salome Nietzche's friend
2 The other the dancer for the dance,
Nietzche wrong (ed)
On pleasure principle cause illusion's torn veil,
Contra,
Wagner vs. Nietzsche
The Romantic Idiom.Sustained, says a highest judge,
Sustained, in some far out eternity
No one present
In court except few art
4 set's sake,(4 art, but AI said Set(h)
((1 better then the portrait))
The illusion of the deal
Reduced, reduced
To a mere principal
The reality principal.
AI simulation!
AI simulated stimulation, reduced to some kind, (some not) kind,
kind of kind reality,
Whereupon perception reins supreme, all patented ,
And the idiom of the archaic is sustained in the economy,
inverse trajectory between political and libidinal economy of the ID,.
War of worlds between AI and ID.
Origen fooled, and the the Demiurge taking up the slack inverted the paradigm.
Who in hell can see that, and not confuse it with what's underneath?
Perhaps by a slimmer, slimmest chance, Faust maybe.
That is why nowedays undressing someone in their mind, has lost appeal, the unveiled gnash their teeth and tear their hair.
Peace be with You. Anno Domini MMXIX.
epistle of st john?
It rises and falls as does every cyclicality
Other side of veil:
Like the know it that soul binds.
You are a subliminal part you know it and feel it. not the outside or other side but inside the outside that is within another inside.
Down toward and up to an absolute infinity the immense construction if myriad turtles one atop another.
In the middle?
A goddess with many hands connecting innumerable worlds you can jump into anyone of those and they start up into motion.
This was the epitome dear trip on 1000 mg.of lycergic acid 1969 august .
If I had chosen to with godess would have instantly evaporated into the absolute nothingness, to part take in another very tiny cubicle part of another larger world, but not much larger.
Complacency or fear? Dunno now but will at the time , .
.
There is a Muse,
Thread,
Cause Schoenhauer was right about the pleasure principle of illusion
About the veil,
The veil, 7 veils,
Salome& Salome
1 Salome Nietzche's friend
2 The other the dancer for the dance,
Nietzche wrong (ed)
On pleasure principle cause illusion's torn veil,
Contra,
Wagner vs. Nietzsche
The Romantic Idiom.Sustained, says a highest judge,
Sustained, in some far out eternity
No one present
In court except few art
4 set's sake,(4 art, but AI said Set(h)
((1 better then the portrait))
The illusion of the deal
Reduced, reduced
To a mere principal
The reality principal.
AI simulation!
AI simulated stimulation, reduced to some kind, (some not) kind,
kind of kind reality,
Whereupon perception reins supreme, all patented ,
And the idiom of the archaic is sustained in the economy,
inverse trajectory between political and the libidinal economy of the ID,.
War of worlds between AI and ID.
Origen fooled, and the the Demiurge taking up the slack inverted the paradigm.
Who in hell can see that, and not confuse it with what's underneath?
Perhaps by a slimmer, slimmest chance, Faust maybe.
That is why nowedays undressing someone in their mind, has lost appeal, the unveiled gnash their teeth and tear their hair.
Peace be with You. Anno Domini MMXIX.
Reply with quote
.
There is a Muse,
Thread,
Cause Schoenhauer was right about the pleasure principle of illusion
About the veil,
The veil, 7 veils,
Salome& Salome
1 Salome Nietzche's friend
2 The other the dancer for the dance,
Nietzche wrong (ed)
On pleasure principle cause illusion's torn veil,
Contra,
Wagner vs. Nietzsche
The Romantic Idiom.Sustained, says a highest judge,
Sustained, in some far out eternity
No one present
In court except few art
4 set's sake,(4 art, but AI said Set(h)
((1 better then the portrait))
The illusion of the deal
Reduced, reduced
To a mere principal
The reality principal.
AI simulation!
AI simulated stimulation, reduced to some kind, (some not) kind,
kind of kind reality,
Whereupon perception reins supreme, all patented ,
And the idiom of the archaic is sustained in the economy,
inverse trajectory between political and the libidinal economy of the ID,.
War of worlds between AI and ID.
Origen fooled, and the the Demiurge taking up the slack inverted the paradigm.
Who in hell can see that, and not confuse it with what's underneath?
Perhaps by a slimmer, slimmest chance, Faust maybe.
That is why nowedays undressing someone in their mind, has lost appeal, the unveiled gnash their teeth and tear their hair.
Peace be with You. Anno Domini MMXIX.
epistle of st john
.
This apolitical trickery? In fact vascillation between them , as they are interconnected was a misnomer, perhaps to decompress the light within the darkness. Where in at the time such simplicity beyond them and the presence of light could not completely erase the total eclipse, for that was the first prenominal imagination.
There is a Muse,
Thread,
Cause Schoenhauer was right about the pleasure principle of illusion
About the veil,
The veil, 7 veils,
Salome& Salome
1 Salome Nietzche's friend
2 The other the dancer for the dance,
Nietzche wrong (ed)
On pleasure principle cause illusion's torn veil,
Contra,
Wagner vs. Nietzsche
The Romantic Idiom.Sustained, says a highest judge,
Sustained, in some far out eternity
No one present
In court except few art
4 set's sake,(4 art, but AI said Set(h)
((1 better then the portrait))
The illusion of the deal
Reduced, reduced
To a mere principal
The reality principal.
AI simulation!
AI simulated stimulation, reduced to some kind, (some not) kind,
kind of kind reality,
Whereupon perception reins supreme, all patented ,
And the idiom of the archaic is sustained in the economy,
inverse trajectory between political and libidinal economy of the ID,.
War of worlds between AI and ID.
Origen fooled, and the the Demiurge taking up the slack inverted the paradigm.
Who in hell can see that, and not confuse it with what's underneath?
Perhaps by a slimmer, slimmest chance, Faust maybe.
That is why nowedays undressing someone in their mind, has lost appeal, the unveiled gnash their teeth and tear their hair.
Peace be with You. Anno Domini MMXIX.
epistle of st john?
It rises and falls as does every cyclicality
Other side of veil:
Like the know it that soul binds.
You are a subliminal part you know it and feel it. not the outside or other side but inside the outside that is within another inside.
Down toward and up to an absolute infinity the immense construction if myriad turtles one atop another.
In the middle?
A goddess with many hands connecting innumerable worlds you can jump into anyone of those and they start up into motion.
This was the epitome dear trip on 1000 mg.of lycergic acid 1969 august .
If I had chosen to with godess would have instantly evaporated into the absolute nothingness, to part take in another very tiny cubicle part of another larger world, but not much larger.
Complacency or fear? Dunno now but will at the time , .
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Re: Vampire
by MagsJ » Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:54 am
Taken from Vampire Rules and Regulations
Question:
What are the rules and regulations vampires should follow?
Answer:
There are two different kinds of "rules" to be considered. One is the set of "hard" rules that any soul-seeking entity has to follow, and the other is the set of "social" rules in the vampire community.
The first set of rules appear to be unbreakable. These are rules which, despite their effort, vampires, demons, and the like cannot bypass. I lump in demons and other dark spirits here because the rules are the same for both. Why exactly this is the case is not known for sure, but I have a very strong feeling that there are rules when it comes to the spirit world that even these beings cannot violate.
These spiritual rules seem to follow the idea that one cannot lose one's soul against their will. Vampires are those who have (in most cases) willfully traded in their souls for eternal life and power. The possible exception is the human who is unwillingly turned into a vampire (click here for more on this). Demons strive to take souls using fear and trickery, and vampires are essentially "authorized dealers" of this same trade. This is why these rules exist - to protect the innocent from losing their souls.
Another key spiritual rule is that vampires (and other dark spirits in physical form) cannot enter a "claimed space" without permission. This is most typically mentioned as being the home, but encounters with black eyed beings indicate that cars share the same status of ownership. Should the human leave the claimed space, it's fair game (which is why it's a bad idea to run out of the house or car if one of these beings is threatening you.) It's also fair game if you invite them in. An invitation can be revoked later, but a single invitation is considered "open until specifically revoked", meaning that these beings can come and go as they please once invited.
These are the two main, unbreakable rules for vampires. The other "rules" are more like guidelines that keep their behavior in check.
Like any community, vampires have an unofficial "social contract". Every community in the animal kingdom has some sort of way of keeping its members in line, whether it is through physical submission, exile from the group, or even shame or loss of status. Vampires are no different, especially because at one time every vampire has been human, and therefore has most likely already experienced social conditioning.
Also like any animal community, the biggest violation of the "rules", spoken or unspoken, is when a member of the group puts other members of the group in danger. Not just physical danger, mind you, but danger of losing power, respect, or ownership rights as well. For vampires, a lot of the rules that applied as humans go out the window, as they are now irrelevant, but the big concepts remain.
Vampires are very much a secret society. Even though every other novel today has vampires going to high school, in reality if these being really exist they are going to stay hidden away, making appearances among humanity only when there is little chance of being discovered and usually only when necessary to feed. Secrecy is key to any secret society (obviously), and vampires are no exception. It is widely believed that revealing the existence of vampires to humanity is one of the biggest violations. This makes sense, as it is a near certainty that if humans found out that predators were living nearby they would try to exterminate them as quickly as possible. Staying hidden as legends only protects all vampires from being revealed, which in turn keeps the group from danger.
Another big rule is that vampires are supposed to take responsibility for their "children" (i.e. humans that they turn into vampires). This is mostly for the same reason as above - a rogue vampire, unaware of the rules of their new society, is highly likely to attract unwanted attention and thus put the group in danger. It is also accepted (as it is in human nature) that those who "birth" the child are expected to raise them. To raise a vampire means to teach it its limitations (such as staying out of the sunlight) as well as how to hunt, how to charm humans, and how to stay out of trouble. New vampires are inexplicably "tied" to their makers as well, meaning they have difficulty being away from them for too long. This trait, which eases over time, has undoubtedly evolved for this social reason.
The only other big rule is that vampires are never to kill other vampires. Consequences seem to vary for each individual case (as they do in human life), but it is considered to be punishable by death (destruction).
Other than that, basic social manners should be followed. In such a small community one does not want to be disliked or cast out, so it is best for most vampires to live in harmony with one another as much as possible.
Question:
What are the rules and regulations vampires should follow?
Answer:
There are two different kinds of "rules" to be considered. One is the set of "hard" rules that any soul-seeking entity has to follow, and the other is the set of "social" rules in the vampire community.
The first set of rules appear to be unbreakable. These are rules which, despite their effort, vampires, demons, and the like cannot bypass. I lump in demons and other dark spirits here because the rules are the same for both. Why exactly this is the case is not known for sure, but I have a very strong feeling that there are rules when it comes to the spirit world that even these beings cannot violate.
These spiritual rules seem to follow the idea that one cannot lose one's soul against their will. Vampires are those who have (in most cases) willfully traded in their souls for eternal life and power. The possible exception is the human who is unwillingly turned into a vampire (click here for more on this). Demons strive to take souls using fear and trickery, and vampires are essentially "authorized dealers" of this same trade. This is why these rules exist - to protect the innocent from losing their souls.
Another key spiritual rule is that vampires (and other dark spirits in physical form) cannot enter a "claimed space" without permission. This is most typically mentioned as being the home, but encounters with black eyed beings indicate that cars share the same status of ownership. Should the human leave the claimed space, it's fair game (which is why it's a bad idea to run out of the house or car if one of these beings is threatening you.) It's also fair game if you invite them in. An invitation can be revoked later, but a single invitation is considered "open until specifically revoked", meaning that these beings can come and go as they please once invited.
These are the two main, unbreakable rules for vampires. The other "rules" are more like guidelines that keep their behavior in check.
Like any community, vampires have an unofficial "social contract". Every community in the animal kingdom has some sort of way of keeping its members in line, whether it is through physical submission, exile from the group, or even shame or loss of status. Vampires are no different, especially because at one time every vampire has been human, and therefore has most likely already experienced social conditioning.
Also like any animal community, the biggest violation of the "rules", spoken or unspoken, is when a member of the group puts other members of the group in danger. Not just physical danger, mind you, but danger of losing power, respect, or ownership rights as well. For vampires, a lot of the rules that applied as humans go out the window, as they are now irrelevant, but the big concepts remain.
Vampires are very much a secret society. Even though every other novel today has vampires going to high school, in reality if these being really exist they are going to stay hidden away, making appearances among humanity only when there is little chance of being discovered and usually only when necessary to feed. Secrecy is key to any secret society (obviously), and vampires are no exception. It is widely believed that revealing the existence of vampires to humanity is one of the biggest violations. This makes sense, as it is a near certainty that if humans found out that predators were living nearby they would try to exterminate them as quickly as possible. Staying hidden as legends only protects all vampires from being revealed, which in turn keeps the group from danger.
Another big rule is that vampires are supposed to take responsibility for their "children" (i.e. humans that they turn into vampires). This is mostly for the same reason as above - a rogue vampire, unaware of the rules of their new society, is highly likely to attract unwanted attention and thus put the group in danger. It is also accepted (as it is in human nature) that those who "birth" the child are expected to raise them. To raise a vampire means to teach it its limitations (such as staying out of the sunlight) as well as how to hunt, how to charm humans, and how to stay out of trouble. New vampires are inexplicably "tied" to their makers as well, meaning they have difficulty being away from them for too long. This trait, which eases over time, has undoubtedly evolved for this social reason.
The only other big rule is that vampires are never to kill other vampires. Consequences seem to vary for each individual case (as they do in human life), but it is considered to be punishable by death (destruction).
Other than that, basic social manners should be followed. In such a small community one does not want to be disliked or cast out, so it is best for most vampires to live in harmony with one another as much as possible.
The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite
I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get that time back, and I may need it for something at some point in time. Wait! What?
--MagsJ
I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get that time back, and I may need it for something at some point in time. Wait! What?
--MagsJ
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Re: Vampire
by MagsJ » Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:42 am
I'm sure there was something ‘off’ about the French-Germanic side of the family.. I’m sure there’s something mother ain’t telling us. 
„
The rest of a vampire's limitations aren't really rules or regulations, but rather the same kind of "don't hurt yourself" basics that all creatures automatically try to abide by. Don't go out in direct sunlight, don't set yourself on fire, etc.
I'm sure there are other rules, but I'm pretty sure you'd have to be a member of the society to know them all, and if you did, you wouldn't be able to tell anyone without risking your (second) life.”
Well thanks French fam..
„
The rest of a vampire's limitations aren't really rules or regulations, but rather the same kind of "don't hurt yourself" basics that all creatures automatically try to abide by. Don't go out in direct sunlight, don't set yourself on fire, etc.
I'm sure there are other rules, but I'm pretty sure you'd have to be a member of the society to know them all, and if you did, you wouldn't be able to tell anyone without risking your (second) life.”
Soucouyant - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Soucouyant
The soucouyant or soucriant in Dominica, St. Lucian, Trinidadian, Guadeloupean folklore in Haiti, Louisiana, Grenada and elsewhere in the Caribbean or Ole- Higue (also Ole ... Some believe that soucouyants were brought to the Caribbean from European countries in the form of French vampire-myths.
Well thanks French fam..
The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite
I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get that time back, and I may need it for something at some point in time. Wait! What?
--MagsJ
I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get that time back, and I may need it for something at some point in time. Wait! What?
--MagsJ
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Re: Vampire, wich and wizard
by Meno_ » Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:05 am
"See how from far upon the eastern road / The star-led wizards [Magi] haste with odours sweet!"
Milton
Supernatural powers are often compared between wizards , wiches and vampires, and all of them are said to possess severe powers of malfeasance. Wizards are the most powerful long term, whereas wiches are said to be more cunning , and practical.
Vampires are hampered by the light and are more prone to destruction .
As dreaded these creatures were thought of, they basically had very early beginnings. They became archytipical and their self construance bore self identification. With real production of affectance by others,
they effected socially created types developing powers of psychic exchang, forces with which they became combatants and lovers.
They have originated from antiquity and subsist to recent times; Mesopotamia and Persia being the earliest recorded sources of origin.
Milton
Supernatural powers are often compared between wizards , wiches and vampires, and all of them are said to possess severe powers of malfeasance. Wizards are the most powerful long term, whereas wiches are said to be more cunning , and practical.
Vampires are hampered by the light and are more prone to destruction .
As dreaded these creatures were thought of, they basically had very early beginnings. They became archytipical and their self construance bore self identification. With real production of affectance by others,
they effected socially created types developing powers of psychic exchang, forces with which they became combatants and lovers.
They have originated from antiquity and subsist to recent times; Mesopotamia and Persia being the earliest recorded sources of origin.
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Re: Vampiric confection
by Meno_ » Wed Oct 16, 2019 5:55 pm
MagsJ wrote:I'm sure there was something ‘off’ about the French-Germanic side of the family.. I’m sure there’s something mother ain’t telling us.
„
The rest of a vampire's limitations aren't really rules or regulations, but rather the same kind of "don't hurt yourself" basics that all creatures automatically try to abide by. Don't go out in direct sunlight, don't set yourself on fire, etc.
I'm sure there are other rules, but I'm pretty sure you'd have to be a member of the society to know them all, and if you did, you wouldn't be able to tell anyone without risking your (second) life.”Soucouyant - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Soucouyant
The soucouyant or soucriant in Dominica, St. Lucian, Trinidadian, Guadeloupean folklore in Haiti, Louisiana, Grenada and elsewhere in the Caribbean or Ole- Higue (also Ole ... Some believe that soucouyants were brought to the Caribbean from European countries in the form of French vampire-myths.
Well thanks French fam..
Agreed. The genetic pool, as interesting as it is, describes historical anecdotes , where partially differentiated types, work adversely AND effectively at the same time. The processes of integrative and differentiative movements often form couplings of basic types, often the opposite becomes evident. The rate of.change of preception at times preempts it's significance
And here the confection:
Under penalty I declare the overzealous propensity with which I indulged in a barrage of extemporearity, which, while quite admonisheable, has a very nominal and useful indulgence.
The need of more blood, that present saturations can afford to bleed into.
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Re: Vampire
by MagsJ » Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:30 am
Meno_ wrote:Supernatural powers are often compared between wizards , wiches and vampires, and all of them are said to possess severe powers of malfeasance. Wizards are the most powerful long term, whereas wiches are said to be more cunning , and practical.
Vampires.. developing powers of psychic exchang, forces with which they became combatants and lovers.
They have originated from antiquity and subsist to recent times; Mesopotamia and Persia being the earliest recorded sources of origin.
It would then suffice to say, that the Vampire concept/image, spurred Romanticism.. across continents.
From: https://www.shmoop.com/british-romantic ... stics.html
ROMANTICISM CHARACTERISTICS
Little Words, Big Ideas
Experimentation with Poetic Form
When we read the Romantics now, they seem old-fashioned. They say things like, "'Beauty is truth, truth beauty/ That is all ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.'" Sounds fancy, right? To the...
Nature
The Romantics had a huge crush on nature. These guys (and sometimes gals) loved trees, flowers, mountains, clouds, crags, birds…you name it. As long as it was outdoors, they loved it. In nature,...
Ruins and Relics of the Ancient Past
The Romantics loved to brood.They liked to sit, hunched over, clothes all disheveled, chin on hand, frowning, and thinking about Time. How quickly it goes by, how mysterious it is. Got that pictur...
Rebellion
The Romantics weren't conformists. No, they would be the kids in high school who wear strange clothes, listen to underground music, and don't hang out with anyone else. They're not trying to fit in...
Heroism
Don Juan, Prometheus, Frankenstein's monster: these are all heroes who were made famous by the Romantics. The Romantics were great at creating larger-than-life, unforgettable heroes. And that's bec...
Emotion
Boy were the Romantics a sentimental lot. A flower could move them to tears. An old Greek urn could set them brooding for hours. These writers were flat out obsessed with feelings. In fact, one of...
Sense and Sensuality
No, not Sense and Sensibility (although Austen was influenced by Romantics…but that's a story for another time). We're talking sense and sensuality. We'll find tons of sensory detail when we re...
Sublime
"Sublime" is one slippery term.According to the Romantics, we experience the sublime when we're out in nature. But not just any nature—we have to be facing nature at its grandest, it's most awe-...
The French Revolution
We're talking about British Romanticism, so what does the French Revolution have to do with it? A lot, actually. The French Revolution had huge repercussions not only in France, but all over Europ...
The Industrial Revolution
The industrial revolution, like the French Revolution, was bringing about lots of changes at the time that the Romantic poets began writing. More and more people were moving to the cities to work i...
Meno_ wrote:Agreed. The genetic pool, as interesting as it is, describes historical anecdotes , where partially differentiated types, work adversely AND effectively at the same time. The processes of integrative and differentiative movements often form couplings of basic types, often the opposite becomes evident. The rate of.change of preception at times preempts it's significance
..and now confusion reigns supreme.. on who and what we are, because we are now so far removed from where we used to be and what we once were.
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The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite
I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get that time back, and I may need it for something at some point in time. Wait! What?
--MagsJ
I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get that time back, and I may need it for something at some point in time. Wait! What?
--MagsJ
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Re: Vampire
by Meno_ » Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:43 pm
MagsJ wrote:Meno_ wrote:Supernatural powers are often compared between wizards , wiches and vampires, and all of them are said to possess severe powers of malfeasance. Wizards are the most powerful long term, whereas wiches are said to be more cunning , and practical.
Vampires.. developing powers of psychic exchang, forces with which they became combatants and lovers.
They have originated from antiquity and subsist to recent times; Mesopotamia and Persia being the earliest recorded sources of origin.
It would then suffice to say, that the Vampire concept/image, spurred Romanticism.. across continents.
From: https://www.shmoop.com/british-romantic ... stics.html
ROMANTICISM CHARACTERISTICS
Little Words, Big Ideas
Experimentation with Poetic Form
When we read the Romantics now, they seem old-fashioned. They say things like, "'Beauty is truth, truth beauty/ That is all ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.'" Sounds fancy, right? To the...
Nature
The Romantics had a huge crush on nature. These guys (and sometimes gals) loved trees, flowers, mountains, clouds, crags, birds…you name it. As long as it was outdoors, they loved it. In nature,...
Ruins and Relics of the Ancient Past
The Romantics loved to brood.They liked to sit, hunched over, clothes all disheveled, chin on hand, frowning, and thinking about Time. How quickly it goes by, how mysterious it is. Got that pictur...
Rebellion
The Romantics weren't conformists. No, they would be the kids in high school who wear strange clothes, listen to underground music, and don't hang out with anyone else. They're not trying to fit in...
Heroism
Don Juan, Prometheus, Frankenstein's monster: these are all heroes who were made famous by the Romantics. The Romantics were great at creating larger-than-life, unforgettable heroes. And that's bec...
Emotion
Boy were the Romantics a sentimental lot. A flower could move them to tears. An old Greek urn could set them brooding for hours. These writers were flat out obsessed with feelings. In fact, one of...
Sense and Sensuality
No, not Sense and Sensibility (although Austen was influenced by Romantics…but that's a story for another time). We're talking sense and sensuality. We'll find tons of sensory detail when we re...
Sublime
"Sublime" is one slippery term.According to the Romantics, we experience the sublime when we're out in nature. But not just any nature—we have to be facing nature at its grandest, it's most awe-...
The French Revolution
We're talking about British Romanticism, so what does the French Revolution have to do with it? A lot, actually. The French Revolution had huge repercussions not only in France, but all over Europ...
The Industrial Revolution
The industrial revolution, like the French Revolution, was bringing about lots of changes at the time that the Romantic poets began writing. More and more people were moving to the cities to work i...Meno_ wrote:Agreed. The genetic pool, as interesting as it is, describes historical anecdotes , where partially differentiated types, work adversely AND effectively at the same time. The processes of integrative and differentiative movements often form couplings of basic types, often the opposite becomes evident. The rate of.change of preception at times preempts it's significance
..and now confusion reigns supreme.. on who and what we are, because we are now so far removed from where we used to be and what we once were.
The mysterious is always behind a Vail true, and the mystery is contained in a division of paths, which has been misgivingly pushed toward appearent phenomenon, forgotten that what is really hidden .
How absurd to think that our senses can cover all that is sensible?
Sensibility is a moderated function, set down and directed inter generationally. The new generations , among them the freaky hippy happy types are really an archytyoe6, that includes all innovators and followers of modern art for it's own sake, and it must retain a subsisting Muse, in only the other direction, the formal pre existing element , which contains both!
The disassembly of the beast, contains in itself various hybrids , beings that offer up various combinations of the known and the unknown, being and nothingness, in various measures, and the disassemblage must contain them, and simplify them towards more general transparency, that has gone on since Fraternity, and Equality.
The author is being searched out by its characters, they impatiently try to overcome this partially deranged differentiation, by a paradoxical return to the previous return, finding home not quite the same.
Missing something so much, yet reminded you can't get back, in spite of the need to,
https://youtu.be/YEESfv-11ng
The need to.
Simplify , as everything is being simplified, and while wjat is appearent is being simplified( for instance the way to go, the route through the artificially of intelligence, (( examples abound kids get highly sophisticated machines of intelligence- without probably no present or future understanding of what it took to develop it, or that when they first were developed by Univac, a whole large room was not enough to contain the amount intelligence involved.
This simplicity, coincides with the fraction of the overlap between the sensation and the sensible.
The sensible is more a cognitive function, even though plays on words can shift understand ing this way and that.
The phenomenal, the glitz and current fad, drives mentality to such degree, that the conceptual artist has been reduced to an interpreter between the old and the new, so that I can be in vogue.
Romanticism is not past, it remains underground by a clever Nietzchean trick, overcoming
If art formart's sake is what You love for, then things may fall into place, like for the self thought man, in Sartre, with objectives in mind, that by natural fissures forms a necessary transcendental, and holds it there in an epoch of strange love, a strangely romantic notion digged up from the catacombs where even vampire can gain salvation.
That route is lonely, and it is chosen, praternally or materially , or both, and it first the magnified image has problems with the bounderies with the formal rules.
Steppenwolf has bearing and to what extent, and Mowk similarly , didactically can attune here, but convention dictates, away from the non-sensible, for that role requires formal attire like joker, or way back roles ; mystic-
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Re: Vampire
by Meno_ » Thu Oct 17, 2019 7:58 pm
-hermit-sage, were useful personae.Meno_ wrote:MagsJ wrote:Meno_ wrote:Supernatural powers are often compared between wizards , wiches and vampires, and all of them are said to possess severe powers of malfeasance. Wizards are the most powerful long term, whereas wiches are said to be more cunning , and practical.
Vampires.. developing powers of psychic exchang, forces with which they became combatants and lovers.
They have originated from antiquity and subsist to recent times; Mesopotamia and Persia being the earliest recorded sources of origin.
It would then suffice to say, that the Vampire concept/image, spurred Romanticism.. across continents.
From: https://www.shmoop.com/british-romantic ... stics.html
ROMANTICISM CHARACTERISTICS
Little Words, Big Ideas
Experimentation with Poetic Form
When we read the Romantics now, they seem old-fashioned. They say things like, "'Beauty is truth, truth beauty/ That is all ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.'" Sounds fancy, right? To the...
Nature
The Romantics had a huge crush on nature. These guys (and sometimes gals) loved trees, flowers, mountains, clouds, crags, birds…you name it. As long as it was outdoors, they loved it. In nature,...
Ruins and Relics of the Ancient Past
The Romantics loved to brood.They liked to sit, hunched over, clothes all disheveled, chin on hand, frowning, and thinking about Time. How quickly it goes by, how mysterious it is. Got that pictur...
Rebellion
The Romantics weren't conformists. No, they would be the kids in high school who wear strange clothes, listen to underground music, and don't hang out with anyone else. They're not trying to fit in...
Heroism
Don Juan, Prometheus, Frankenstein's monster: these are all heroes who were made famous by the Romantics. The Romantics were great at creating larger-than-life, unforgettable heroes. And that's bec...
Emotion
Boy were the Romantics a sentimental lot. A flower could move them to tears. An old Greek urn could set them brooding for hours. These writers were flat out obsessed with feelings. In fact, one of...
Sense and Sensuality
No, not Sense and Sensibility (although Austen was influenced by Romantics…but that's a story for another time). We're talking sense and sensuality. We'll find tons of sensory detail when we re...
Sublime
"Sublime" is one slippery term.According to the Romantics, we experience the sublime when we're out in nature. But not just any nature—we have to be facing nature at its grandest, it's most awe-...
The French Revolution
We're talking about British Romanticism, so what does the French Revolution have to do with it? A lot, actually. The French Revolution had huge repercussions not only in France, but all over Europ...
The Industrial Revolution
The industrial revolution, like the French Revolution, was bringing about lots of changes at the time that the Romantic poets began writing. More and more people were moving to the cities to work i...Meno_ wrote:Agreed. The genetic pool, as interesting as it is, describes historical anecdotes , where partially differentiated types, work adversely AND effectively at the same time. The processes of integrative and differentiative movements often form couplings of basic types, often the opposite becomes evident. The rate of.change of preception at times preempts it's significance
..and now confusion reigns supreme.. on who and what we are, because we are now so far removed from where we used to be and what we once were.
The mysterious is always behind a Vail true, and the mystery is contained in a division of paths, which has been misgivingly pushed toward appearent phenomenon, forgotten that what is really hidden .
How absurd to think that our senses can cover all that is sensible?
Sensibility is a moderated function, set down and directed inter generationally. The new generations , among them the freaky hippy happy types are really an archytyoe6, that includes all innovators and followers of modern art for it's own sake, and it must retain a subsisting Muse, in only the other direction, the formal pre existing element , which contains both!
The disassembly of the beast, contains in itself various hybrids , beings that offer up various combinations of the known and the unknown, being and nothingness, in various measures, and the disassemblage must contain them, and simplify them towards more general transparency, that has gone on since Fraternity, and Equality.
The author is being searched out by its characters, they impatiently try to overcome this partially deranged differentiation, by a paradoxical return to the previous return, finding home not quite the same.
Missing something so much, yet reminded you can't get back, in spite of the need to,
https://youtu.be/YEESfv-11ng
The need to.
Simplify , as everything is being simplified, and while wjat is appearent is being simplified( for instance the way to go, the route through the artificially of intelligence, (( examples abound kids get highly sophisticated machines of intelligence- without probably no present or future understanding of what it took to develop it, or that when they first were developed by Univac, a whole large room was not enough to contain the amount intelligence involved.
This simplicity, coincides with the fraction of the overlap between the sensation and the sensible.
The sensible is more a cognitive function, even though plays on words can shift understand ing this way and that.
The phenomenal, the glitz and current fad, drives mentality to such degree, that the conceptual artist has been reduced to an interpreter between the old and the new, so that I can be in vogue.
Romanticism is not past, it remains underground by a clever Nietzchean trick, overcoming
If art formart's sake is what You love for, then things may fall into place, like for the self thought man, in Sartre, with objectives in mind, that by natural fissures forms a necessary transcendental, and holds it there in an epoch of strange love, a strangely romantic notion digged up from the catacombs where even vampire can gain salvation.
That route is lonely, and it is chosen, praternally or materially , or both, and it first the magnified image has problems with the bounderies with the formal rules.
Steppenwolf has bearing and to what extent, and Mowk similarly , didactically can attune here, but convention dictates, away from the non-sensible, for that role requires formal attire like joker, or way back roles ; mystic-
An artist living a life so prescribed must be able to overcome extreme deficiencies, and utilize them in , a summum naturum in order to distill a concentration of matter into one instant of passing time.
Most would dismiss such attempt, but it is the gleaming of such that will prevent the accelerating force by which life can maliciously bind it's self into a vicious circle.
A ring of fire!
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Re: Vampire
by MagsJ » Fri Oct 18, 2019 1:23 pm
Meno_ wrote:Meno_ wrote:Dracula Quotes
by Bram Stoker
I am all in a sea of wonders. I doubt; I fear; I think strange things, which I dare not confess to my own soul.
Loneliness will sit over our roofs with brooding wings.
Even if she be not harmed, her heart may fail her in so much and so many horrors; and hereafter she may suffer--both in waking, from her nerves, and in sleep, from her dreams.
My current woes.. at least it’s only 3 out of that list of plenty.
These.. I can deal with, of which 3.. being the hardest.
The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite
I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get that time back, and I may need it for something at some point in time. Wait! What?
--MagsJ
I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get that time back, and I may need it for something at some point in time. Wait! What?
--MagsJ
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Re: Vampire
by Meno_ » Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:28 pm
MagsJ wrote:Meno_ wrote:Meno_ wrote:Dracula Quotes
by Bram Stoker
I am all in a sea of wonders. I doubt; I fear; I think strange things, which I dare not confess to my own soul.
Loneliness will sit over our roofs with brooding wings.
Even if she be not harmed, her heart may fail her in so much and so many horrors; and hereafter she may suffer--both in waking, from her nerves, and in sleep, from her dreams.
My current woes.. at least it’s only 3 out of that list of plenty.
These.. I can deal with, of which 3.. being the hardest.
You have to get practical.prevent vampire loss.
Vampiric Drain is a Vampire Destruction spell in The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim. ... Enemy vampires cast versions of this spell which—at higher levels—drains both magicka and stamina along with health. The spell drains health from an opponent and heals the caster with it.
MagsJ vampires should never try to destroy, they only can give immortality.
And immortality induces gain, whichever way you look at it.
Igor and all ghouls know: they are slaves to cook up potions to help overcome severe loss, of the life force, they have to stop the bleeding immediately by singular means, and they can hunt alone, better then competitively, and that way they may transcend the ring,
The negated ring can never be lost or stolen, it is it's own anti lock device, if it is played backwards, and travels backward, eludes consequences reversely, breaks up determination, into smaller and smaller fill ins, and at the most opportune moment , creates a circus of simulated hoops , the ring aflame and then, the motive flows back and into it's self, impregrating it'self asexually by cell division.
It eats away the starved decayed parts within it's own being, and transcends a transcriptive double of it's existence, at understanding
no appearent casual relationships.
It's soul's remainder then , eternally halved , not merely into it's ultimate negation, but also for practical use other then deflection of the archaic vintage parts, logistically directed into it's progressively determined projected image. By this strange magic, #3 will be absorbed into the futility of apprehension.
if this process is sustained against all understanding, then the ring of fire can be jumped , without the fear of oblivion, and proceed on it"s merry way into the warm embrace of it's futility.
The magic of this power by will alone can feed it's self transforming lower powers, accordingly, by channelling it.
Mesmeretically, by the wonder of magnetic resonance inducement, practiced to perfected , metaphorically, even if clearly outlined thus: Figuratively, vampiric loss of disangaging waste, of unused and excessive utilities are a real systemic worry come Halloween, and things SHOULD lighten up a bit by then.No guarantees, though. My basic instincts all veer toward that general direction, though.
There is no simple solution, and it carries vast potential energy losses of risk and imminent danger, but the arid field of the sublime can overcome the spiteful , spineless charges of direct current, by alternation of fields wonder and awe.
If You dare expose Yourself during daylight, run on minimum power and protect by layers of sun block to avoid the build up of toxicity.
There is no way, then, that the power of this ring can not but protect , like brunhilda, you will be maintained and protected through eternities of change until the time of becoming.
That will be the age of reconciliation and happiness, life and understanding. You will become one with the light and the bargain that was imprinted unto You, will release the soul, that like a caged bat was afraid to fly.
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Re: Vampire
by MagsJ » Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:36 pm
Dracula Quotes
by Bram Stoker
I am all in a sea of wonders. I doubt; I fear; I think strange things, which I dare not confess to my own soul.
I fear that which I may be capable of..
Loneliness will sit over our roofs with brooding wings.
That'll be the crows then.. they've got me surrounded.. both in the ivy and trees at the back and in the trees at the front.. they have taken to the area, but not to the cat..
Even if she be not harmed, her heart may fail her in so much and so many horrors; and hereafter she may suffer--both in waking, from her nerves, and in sleep, from her dreams.
Avoiding toxic people and environment, being the main and seemingly-only option, to resolve the matter of system overload..
Meno_ wrote:If You dare expose Yourself during daylight, I try not to, during the height of Summer’s hot Summer days.. run on minimum power I’m there already, probably since puberty hit, so a human torpor of sorts.. an involuntary state that one enters into as the conditions dictate.. and protect by layers of sun block to avoid the build up of toxicity. ..or with a very good hatas I get singed and blinded by the sun, but not by Science..
I intend to reply on the rest of your reply separately, as it requires more thought(fullness) on my part.
The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite
I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get that time back, and I may need it for something at some point in time. Wait! What?
--MagsJ
I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get that time back, and I may need it for something at some point in time. Wait! What?
--MagsJ
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Re: Vampire
by Meno_ » Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:22 pm
Try to call on the muses to reply to the unforgivin , unforgotten parts, later 2 day, promise.
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Re: Vampire
by Meno_ » Sat Nov 23, 2019 7:16 pm
The Premature Burial. Antoine Wiertz (1854)
Older than Dracula: in search of the English vampire
Sam George, University of Hertfordshire
October 25, 2018 4.55pm BST
The story of Count Dracula as many of us know it was created by Bram Stoker, an Irishman, in 1897. But most of the action takes place in England, from the moment the Transylvanian vampire arrives on a shipwrecked vessel in Whitby, North Yorkshire, with plans to make his lair in the spookily named Carfax estate, west of the river in London.
But Dracula wasn’t the first vampire in English literature, let alone the first to stalk England. The vampire first made its way into English literature in John Polidori’s 1819 short story “The Vampyre”. Polidori’s vampire, Lord Ruthven, is inspired by a thinly disguised portrait of the predatory English poet, Lord Byron, in Lady Caroline Lamb’s novel Glenarvon (1816). So the first fictional vampire was actually a satanic English Lord.
It is nearly 200 years since this Romantic/Byronic archetype for a vampire emerged – but what do we know about English belief in vampires outside of fiction? New research at the University of Hertfordshire has uncovered and reappraised a number of vampire myths – and they are not all confined to the realms of fiction.
The Croglin Vampire reputedly first appeared in Cumberland to a Miss Fisher in the 1750s. Its story is retold by Dr Augustus Hare, a clergyman, in his Memorials of a Quiet Life in 1871. According to this legend, the vampire scratches at the window before disappearing into an ancient vault. The vault is later discovered to be full of coffins that have been broken open and their contents, horribly mangled and distorted, are scattered over the floor. One coffin only remains intact, but the lid has been loosened. There, shrivelled and mummified – but quite intact – lies the Croglin Vampire.
Elsewhere in Cumbria, the natives of Renwick, were once known as “bats” due to the monstrous creature that is said to have flown out of the foundations of a rebuilt church there in 1733. The existence of vampire bats, which sucked blood wouldn’t be confirmed until 1832, when Charles Darwin sketched one feeding off a horse on his voyage to South America in The Beagle. The creature in Renwick has been referred to as a “cockatrice” – a mythical creature with a serpent’s head and tail and the feet and wings of a cockerel – by Cumbrian County History. But it’s the myth of the vampire bat that has prevailed in the surrounding villages and is recorded in conversations in local archives and journals
What picture emerges then in this history of the English vampire? The Croglin Vampire has never been verified – but it has an afterlife in the 20th century, appearing as The British Vampire in 1977 in an anthology of horror by Daniel Farson, who turns out to be Stoker’s great-grandnephew.
The Nightmare. John Henry Fuseli (1781)
Nightmare in Buckinghamshire
But there is one case that has no connection to fiction, the little-known Buckinghamshire Vampire, recorded by William of Newburgh in the 12th century. Historical records show that St Hugh, the Bishop of Lincoln, was called upon to deal with the terrifying revenant and learned to his astonishment, after contacting other theologians, that similar attacks had happened elsewhere in England.
St Hugh was told that no peace would be had until the corpse was dug up and burned, but it was decided that an absolution – a declaration of forgiveness, by the church, absolving one from sin – would be a more seemly way to disable the vampire. When the tomb was opened the body was found to have not decomposed. The absolution was laid inside on the corpse’s chest by the Archdeacon and the vampire was never again seen wandering from his grave.
The Buckinghamshire revenant did not have a “vampire” burial – but such practices are evidence of a longstanding belief in vampires in Britain. Astonishingly, the medieval remains of the what are thought to be the first English vampires have been found in the Yorkshire village of Wharram Percy. The bones of over 100 “vampire” corpses have now been uncovered buried deep in village pits. The bones were excavated more than half a century ago and date back to before the 14th century. They were at first thought to be the result of cannibalism during a famine or a massacre in the village but on further inspection in 2017 the burned and broken skeletons were linked instead to deliberate mutilations perpetrated to prevent the dead returning to harm the living – beliefs common in folklore at the time.
‘Vampire graves’ have been found at the abandoned village of Wharram Percy in Yorkshire. Paul Allison via Alchemipedia
Vile bodies
The inhabitants of Wharram Percy showed widespread belief in the undead returning as revenants or reanimated corpses and so fought back against the risk of vampire attacks by deliberately mutilating their own dead, burning bones and dismembering corpses, including those of women, children and teenagers, in an attempt to stave off what they believed could be a plague of vampires. This once flourishing village was completely deserted in the aftermath.
Just recently at an ancient Roman site in Italy the severed skull of a ten-year-old child was discovered with a large rock inserted in the mouth to prevent biting and bloodsucking. Then skull belongs to a suspected 15th-century revenant which they are calling locally the “Vampire of Lugano”.
There has been a wealth of other stories from the UK and other parts of Western Europe – but, despite this, thanks to the Dracula legend, most people still assume such practises and beliefs belong to remote parts of Eastern Europe. But our research is continuing to examine “vampire burials” in the UK and is making connections to local myths and their legacy in English literature, many years before the Byronic fiend Count Dracula arrived in Yorkshire carrying his own supply of Transylvanian soil.
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Sam George has received funding from the Arts and Humanities Research Council
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Older than Dracula: in search of the English vampire
Sam George, University of Hertfordshire
October 25, 2018 4.55pm BST
The story of Count Dracula as many of us know it was created by Bram Stoker, an Irishman, in 1897. But most of the action takes place in England, from the moment the Transylvanian vampire arrives on a shipwrecked vessel in Whitby, North Yorkshire, with plans to make his lair in the spookily named Carfax estate, west of the river in London.
But Dracula wasn’t the first vampire in English literature, let alone the first to stalk England. The vampire first made its way into English literature in John Polidori’s 1819 short story “The Vampyre”. Polidori’s vampire, Lord Ruthven, is inspired by a thinly disguised portrait of the predatory English poet, Lord Byron, in Lady Caroline Lamb’s novel Glenarvon (1816). So the first fictional vampire was actually a satanic English Lord.
It is nearly 200 years since this Romantic/Byronic archetype for a vampire emerged – but what do we know about English belief in vampires outside of fiction? New research at the University of Hertfordshire has uncovered and reappraised a number of vampire myths – and they are not all confined to the realms of fiction.
The Croglin Vampire reputedly first appeared in Cumberland to a Miss Fisher in the 1750s. Its story is retold by Dr Augustus Hare, a clergyman, in his Memorials of a Quiet Life in 1871. According to this legend, the vampire scratches at the window before disappearing into an ancient vault. The vault is later discovered to be full of coffins that have been broken open and their contents, horribly mangled and distorted, are scattered over the floor. One coffin only remains intact, but the lid has been loosened. There, shrivelled and mummified – but quite intact – lies the Croglin Vampire.
Elsewhere in Cumbria, the natives of Renwick, were once known as “bats” due to the monstrous creature that is said to have flown out of the foundations of a rebuilt church there in 1733. The existence of vampire bats, which sucked blood wouldn’t be confirmed until 1832, when Charles Darwin sketched one feeding off a horse on his voyage to South America in The Beagle. The creature in Renwick has been referred to as a “cockatrice” – a mythical creature with a serpent’s head and tail and the feet and wings of a cockerel – by Cumbrian County History. But it’s the myth of the vampire bat that has prevailed in the surrounding villages and is recorded in conversations in local archives and journals
What picture emerges then in this history of the English vampire? The Croglin Vampire has never been verified – but it has an afterlife in the 20th century, appearing as The British Vampire in 1977 in an anthology of horror by Daniel Farson, who turns out to be Stoker’s great-grandnephew.
The Nightmare. John Henry Fuseli (1781)
Nightmare in Buckinghamshire
But there is one case that has no connection to fiction, the little-known Buckinghamshire Vampire, recorded by William of Newburgh in the 12th century. Historical records show that St Hugh, the Bishop of Lincoln, was called upon to deal with the terrifying revenant and learned to his astonishment, after contacting other theologians, that similar attacks had happened elsewhere in England.
St Hugh was told that no peace would be had until the corpse was dug up and burned, but it was decided that an absolution – a declaration of forgiveness, by the church, absolving one from sin – would be a more seemly way to disable the vampire. When the tomb was opened the body was found to have not decomposed. The absolution was laid inside on the corpse’s chest by the Archdeacon and the vampire was never again seen wandering from his grave.
The Buckinghamshire revenant did not have a “vampire” burial – but such practices are evidence of a longstanding belief in vampires in Britain. Astonishingly, the medieval remains of the what are thought to be the first English vampires have been found in the Yorkshire village of Wharram Percy. The bones of over 100 “vampire” corpses have now been uncovered buried deep in village pits. The bones were excavated more than half a century ago and date back to before the 14th century. They were at first thought to be the result of cannibalism during a famine or a massacre in the village but on further inspection in 2017 the burned and broken skeletons were linked instead to deliberate mutilations perpetrated to prevent the dead returning to harm the living – beliefs common in folklore at the time.
‘Vampire graves’ have been found at the abandoned village of Wharram Percy in Yorkshire. Paul Allison via Alchemipedia
Vile bodies
The inhabitants of Wharram Percy showed widespread belief in the undead returning as revenants or reanimated corpses and so fought back against the risk of vampire attacks by deliberately mutilating their own dead, burning bones and dismembering corpses, including those of women, children and teenagers, in an attempt to stave off what they believed could be a plague of vampires. This once flourishing village was completely deserted in the aftermath.
Just recently at an ancient Roman site in Italy the severed skull of a ten-year-old child was discovered with a large rock inserted in the mouth to prevent biting and bloodsucking. Then skull belongs to a suspected 15th-century revenant which they are calling locally the “Vampire of Lugano”.
There has been a wealth of other stories from the UK and other parts of Western Europe – but, despite this, thanks to the Dracula legend, most people still assume such practises and beliefs belong to remote parts of Eastern Europe. But our research is continuing to examine “vampire burials” in the UK and is making connections to local myths and their legacy in English literature, many years before the Byronic fiend Count Dracula arrived in Yorkshire carrying his own supply of Transylvanian soil.
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Re: Vampire
by Meno_ » Sat Nov 23, 2019 7:50 pm
The leachy vampire which is a type for any act, is systemic of everyone, especially when simulation has become a modus operans that has overcome reality, figuring on evolved overblown representative models , of what what has been lost.
The original loss has transpired a long long time ago, and incrementally gained steam.
The systemic need to be scarred by scare, the puncture of vitality, of blood letting, pretty much parallels that which vampirism inflicts by the bite, of return to the age of immortality, a return to the garden.
The original loss has transpired a long long time ago, and incrementally gained steam.
The systemic need to be scarred by scare, the puncture of vitality, of blood letting, pretty much parallels that which vampirism inflicts by the bite, of return to the age of immortality, a return to the garden.
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Re: Vampire
by Meno_ » Sat Nov 23, 2019 11:16 pm
Friedrich Nietzsche Human All Too Human
THE PREJUDICE IN FAVOUR OF GREATNESS. It is clear that men overvalue everything great and prominent. This arises from the conscious or unconscious idea that they deem it very useful when one person throws all his strength into one thing and makes himself into a monstrous organ. Assuredly, an equal development of all his powers is more useful and happier for man; for every talent is a vampire which sucks blood and strength from other powers, and an exaggerated production can drive the most gifted almost to madness. Within the circle of the arts, too, extreme natures excite far too much attention; but a much lower culture is necessary to be captivated by them. Men submit from habit to everything that seeks power.
While at the same time:
Narcissism and Self-Esteem Are Very Different
Narcissism and self-esteem have very different developmental pathways and outcomes
By Scott Barry Kaufman on October 29, 2017
As the mythology goes, Narcissus fell in love so much with his own reflection in a pool of water that he was unable to do anything else but admire himself. Eventually, he withered away and died staring at his reflection. Did Narcissus have excessively high self-esteem? Was that his main issue? Or was it something else?
For many years, psychologists and the media alike have treated narcissism as representing "inflated self-esteem", or "self-esteem on steroids". In the past few years, however, there have been some serious challenges to this view. The latest research suggests that narcissism differs significantly from self-esteem in its development, origins, consequences, and outcomes. This has important implications for our understanding of narcissism, and for interventions to increase healthy self-esteem.
Both narcissism and self-esteem start to develop around the age of 7. At this age, children draw heavily on social comparisons with others and start to evaluate themselves along the lines of "I am a loser", "I am worthy", or "I am special". Children come to view themselves as they perceive they are seen by others.
Whereas self-esteem tends to be at its lowest in adolescence, and slowly increases throughout life, narcissism peaks in adolescence and gradually declines throughout the lifespan. Therefore, the development of narcissism and high self-esteem show the mirror image of each other throughout the course of human development.
The development of self-esteem and narcissism are also influenced by different parenting styles. Narcissism tends to develop in tandem with parental overvaluation. Parents who raise children who exhibit high levels of narcissism tend to overclaim their child's knowledge (e.g., "My child knows everything there is to know about math"), overestimate their child's IQ, overpraise their child's performances, and even tend to give their children a unique name to stand out from the crowd. Eventually, the child internalizes these self-views, and they unconsciously drive the child's interactions with others.
In contrast, high self-esteem develops in tandem with parental warmth. Parents who raise children who exhibit high levels of self-esteem tend to treat their children with affection, appreciation, and fondness. They treat their children as though they matter. Eventually, this parenting practice leads to the child internalizing the message that they are worthy individuals, a core aspect of healthy self-esteem.
Outcomes
The prototypical grandiose narcissist is characterized by arrogance, superiority, vanity, entitlement, exploitativeness, exhibitionism, and the incessant need for acclaim from others. Those scoring high on measures of self-esteem, however, tend to feel satisfied with themselves but do not necessarily see themselves as superior to others.
For instance, the most widely administered test of self-esteem-- the Rosenberg Self-Esteem Scale-- has items such as, "On the whole, I am satisfied with myself", "I feel that I have a number of good qualities", and "I am able to do things as well as most other people." These items are not about being superior to others, but about having a healthy level of self-worth and self-competence. As Rosenberg put it,"When we deal with self-esteem, we are asking whether the individual considers [themselves] adequate-- a person of worth-- not whether [they] consider [themselves] superior to others."
While narcissism is positively correlated with self-esteem, the association is actually small. This suggests it's possible to think you are superior to others, but still not view yourself as a worthy human being. On the contrary, it's possible to think you are worthy and competent without thinking you are better than others.
A very interesting recent paper further sheds light on the similarities and differences between narcissism and self-esteem. Self-esteem and narcissism were both related to agency, assertiveness, positive emotions, and a drive for rewards. But that's essentially where the similarities ended. In fact, narcissism and self-esteem differed on 63% of the other traits that were assessed.
Self-esteem was much more strongly linked to conscientiousness and perseverence than narcissism. Also, whereas narcissism was negatively associated with agreeableness (i.e., narcissists were more antagonistic), the relationship between self-esteem and agreeableness was small but positive.
In regards to interpersonal functioning, narcissism and self-esteem differed on 75% of the measures. Narcissism, but not self-esteem, was associated with experiencing and expressing anger, and confrontational responses such as yelling, threatening, and physical aggression. Narcissism, but not self-esteem, was also related to a drive for acquisition of disproportionate resources as well as greater relationship problems.
Narcissism was related to feeling central to one's social networks, and also perceiving others in one's network as narcissistic, neurotic, disagreeable, and disinhibited. Narcissism was also related to more frequent arguing and social comparisons than self-esteem. The opposite was true for self-esteem. Self-esteem was related to feeling close to others in one's social network, and perceiving others in one's social network as attractive, high status, high in leadership, intelligent, likeable, and kind.
There were also clear differences in terms of psychopathology. Narcissism and self-esteem differed on 100% of the measures relating to internalizing psychopathology.Whereas self-esteem was strongly related to lower levels of anxiety, depression, and global distress, narcissism was only weakly related to these outcomes. Narcissism was much more associated with externalizing behavior, including alcohol/substance abuse, antisocial behavior, and aggression.
In terms of pathological traits, narcissism was related to a higher score on every single pathological trait, whereas self-esteem showed negative correlations with all 30 pathological traits. Self-esteem was particularly negatively associated with detachment, disinhibition, and psychoticism, whereas narcissism showed substantial positive relations to these traits. Narcissism also showed a strong relationship to histrionic personality disorders, whereas self-esteem was either unrelated or unrelated to histrionic behaviors.
It's very clear from this analysis that narcissists are much more driven to get ahead than to get along. Narcissism is associated with the need to dominate others and the need to achieve superior resources. In contrast, high self-esteem is much more associated with the desire to establish deep, intimate relationships with others.
Should We Be Trying to Raise Self-Esteem?
What are the implications of these findings for the way we think about raising self-esteem? In order to answer this question, I think it's important to look at history. For a good 20 years in U..S history (from the 70s to 90s), the self-esteem craze was definitely a thing. There was such a focus on feeling good about yourself as the answer to all of life's problems.
Rightly so, there was a backlash against this simplistic view. Roy Baumeister and colleagues did a systematic review of the self-esteem literature and found that the effects of self-esteem aren't as pervasive as generally thought: self-esteem was most strongly correlated with enhanced initiative and happiness. But correlation doesn't equal causation, and they found little evidence that interventions designed to boost self-esteem actually causebenefits. So what should be the status of self-esteem in our psychological interventions?
On the one hand, I think we can relax our fears that efforts to raise self-esteem in children will inadvertently create a generation of narcissists. The real concern isn't with raising healthy self-esteem. If anything, we could do a MUCH better job making all students feel valued and respected. The real problem is with "overvaluing", and praising children for being special in a way that far exceeds their actual accomplishments. As Eddie Brummelman and colleagues put it,
"Interventions can teach parents and educators to express affection and appreciation for children without proclaiming them to be superior to others. By doing so, parents and educators may help children feel happy with themselves without seeing themselves as better than others."
I view self-esteem boosts like taking a vitamin. If you are very deficient in self-esteem, there are really important consequences for health outcomes. For instance, low self-esteem is a significant risk factor for depression, regardless of whether or not one is narcissistic. However, once a person has a basic level of healthy self-esteem, the constant pursuit of self-esteem can be very costly. When our goals are to validate our self, or to constantly feel good about ourselves, rather than to learn and grow, we actually undermine our learning, relationships, authenticity, ability to self-regulate our behavior, and mental and physical health.
It seems that a better alternative, once you have a sufficient belief in your self-worth, is to focus on accomplishing challenging, valued activities and fostering your relationships. Let authentic pride and strong positive feelings about oneself be the natural outcome, instead of driving force. To get you through the difficult times and self-doubt, work on increasing your self-compassion, not self-esteem.
Hopefully through our understanding of the different pathways of narcissism and self-esteem, we can have a more realistic understanding of the impact of raising self-esteem, and can target practices to help people make sure they are increasing their self-esteem in the most healthy, productive, genuine, and authentic fashion.
© 2017 Scott Barry Kaufman, All Rights Reserved
THE PREJUDICE IN FAVOUR OF GREATNESS. It is clear that men overvalue everything great and prominent. This arises from the conscious or unconscious idea that they deem it very useful when one person throws all his strength into one thing and makes himself into a monstrous organ. Assuredly, an equal development of all his powers is more useful and happier for man; for every talent is a vampire which sucks blood and strength from other powers, and an exaggerated production can drive the most gifted almost to madness. Within the circle of the arts, too, extreme natures excite far too much attention; but a much lower culture is necessary to be captivated by them. Men submit from habit to everything that seeks power.
While at the same time:
Narcissism and Self-Esteem Are Very Different
Narcissism and self-esteem have very different developmental pathways and outcomes
By Scott Barry Kaufman on October 29, 2017
As the mythology goes, Narcissus fell in love so much with his own reflection in a pool of water that he was unable to do anything else but admire himself. Eventually, he withered away and died staring at his reflection. Did Narcissus have excessively high self-esteem? Was that his main issue? Or was it something else?
For many years, psychologists and the media alike have treated narcissism as representing "inflated self-esteem", or "self-esteem on steroids". In the past few years, however, there have been some serious challenges to this view. The latest research suggests that narcissism differs significantly from self-esteem in its development, origins, consequences, and outcomes. This has important implications for our understanding of narcissism, and for interventions to increase healthy self-esteem.
Both narcissism and self-esteem start to develop around the age of 7. At this age, children draw heavily on social comparisons with others and start to evaluate themselves along the lines of "I am a loser", "I am worthy", or "I am special". Children come to view themselves as they perceive they are seen by others.
Whereas self-esteem tends to be at its lowest in adolescence, and slowly increases throughout life, narcissism peaks in adolescence and gradually declines throughout the lifespan. Therefore, the development of narcissism and high self-esteem show the mirror image of each other throughout the course of human development.
The development of self-esteem and narcissism are also influenced by different parenting styles. Narcissism tends to develop in tandem with parental overvaluation. Parents who raise children who exhibit high levels of narcissism tend to overclaim their child's knowledge (e.g., "My child knows everything there is to know about math"), overestimate their child's IQ, overpraise their child's performances, and even tend to give their children a unique name to stand out from the crowd. Eventually, the child internalizes these self-views, and they unconsciously drive the child's interactions with others.
In contrast, high self-esteem develops in tandem with parental warmth. Parents who raise children who exhibit high levels of self-esteem tend to treat their children with affection, appreciation, and fondness. They treat their children as though they matter. Eventually, this parenting practice leads to the child internalizing the message that they are worthy individuals, a core aspect of healthy self-esteem.
Outcomes
The prototypical grandiose narcissist is characterized by arrogance, superiority, vanity, entitlement, exploitativeness, exhibitionism, and the incessant need for acclaim from others. Those scoring high on measures of self-esteem, however, tend to feel satisfied with themselves but do not necessarily see themselves as superior to others.
For instance, the most widely administered test of self-esteem-- the Rosenberg Self-Esteem Scale-- has items such as, "On the whole, I am satisfied with myself", "I feel that I have a number of good qualities", and "I am able to do things as well as most other people." These items are not about being superior to others, but about having a healthy level of self-worth and self-competence. As Rosenberg put it,"When we deal with self-esteem, we are asking whether the individual considers [themselves] adequate-- a person of worth-- not whether [they] consider [themselves] superior to others."
While narcissism is positively correlated with self-esteem, the association is actually small. This suggests it's possible to think you are superior to others, but still not view yourself as a worthy human being. On the contrary, it's possible to think you are worthy and competent without thinking you are better than others.
A very interesting recent paper further sheds light on the similarities and differences between narcissism and self-esteem. Self-esteem and narcissism were both related to agency, assertiveness, positive emotions, and a drive for rewards. But that's essentially where the similarities ended. In fact, narcissism and self-esteem differed on 63% of the other traits that were assessed.
Self-esteem was much more strongly linked to conscientiousness and perseverence than narcissism. Also, whereas narcissism was negatively associated with agreeableness (i.e., narcissists were more antagonistic), the relationship between self-esteem and agreeableness was small but positive.
In regards to interpersonal functioning, narcissism and self-esteem differed on 75% of the measures. Narcissism, but not self-esteem, was associated with experiencing and expressing anger, and confrontational responses such as yelling, threatening, and physical aggression. Narcissism, but not self-esteem, was also related to a drive for acquisition of disproportionate resources as well as greater relationship problems.
Narcissism was related to feeling central to one's social networks, and also perceiving others in one's network as narcissistic, neurotic, disagreeable, and disinhibited. Narcissism was also related to more frequent arguing and social comparisons than self-esteem. The opposite was true for self-esteem. Self-esteem was related to feeling close to others in one's social network, and perceiving others in one's social network as attractive, high status, high in leadership, intelligent, likeable, and kind.
There were also clear differences in terms of psychopathology. Narcissism and self-esteem differed on 100% of the measures relating to internalizing psychopathology.Whereas self-esteem was strongly related to lower levels of anxiety, depression, and global distress, narcissism was only weakly related to these outcomes. Narcissism was much more associated with externalizing behavior, including alcohol/substance abuse, antisocial behavior, and aggression.
In terms of pathological traits, narcissism was related to a higher score on every single pathological trait, whereas self-esteem showed negative correlations with all 30 pathological traits. Self-esteem was particularly negatively associated with detachment, disinhibition, and psychoticism, whereas narcissism showed substantial positive relations to these traits. Narcissism also showed a strong relationship to histrionic personality disorders, whereas self-esteem was either unrelated or unrelated to histrionic behaviors.
It's very clear from this analysis that narcissists are much more driven to get ahead than to get along. Narcissism is associated with the need to dominate others and the need to achieve superior resources. In contrast, high self-esteem is much more associated with the desire to establish deep, intimate relationships with others.
Should We Be Trying to Raise Self-Esteem?
What are the implications of these findings for the way we think about raising self-esteem? In order to answer this question, I think it's important to look at history. For a good 20 years in U..S history (from the 70s to 90s), the self-esteem craze was definitely a thing. There was such a focus on feeling good about yourself as the answer to all of life's problems.
Rightly so, there was a backlash against this simplistic view. Roy Baumeister and colleagues did a systematic review of the self-esteem literature and found that the effects of self-esteem aren't as pervasive as generally thought: self-esteem was most strongly correlated with enhanced initiative and happiness. But correlation doesn't equal causation, and they found little evidence that interventions designed to boost self-esteem actually causebenefits. So what should be the status of self-esteem in our psychological interventions?
On the one hand, I think we can relax our fears that efforts to raise self-esteem in children will inadvertently create a generation of narcissists. The real concern isn't with raising healthy self-esteem. If anything, we could do a MUCH better job making all students feel valued and respected. The real problem is with "overvaluing", and praising children for being special in a way that far exceeds their actual accomplishments. As Eddie Brummelman and colleagues put it,
"Interventions can teach parents and educators to express affection and appreciation for children without proclaiming them to be superior to others. By doing so, parents and educators may help children feel happy with themselves without seeing themselves as better than others."
I view self-esteem boosts like taking a vitamin. If you are very deficient in self-esteem, there are really important consequences for health outcomes. For instance, low self-esteem is a significant risk factor for depression, regardless of whether or not one is narcissistic. However, once a person has a basic level of healthy self-esteem, the constant pursuit of self-esteem can be very costly. When our goals are to validate our self, or to constantly feel good about ourselves, rather than to learn and grow, we actually undermine our learning, relationships, authenticity, ability to self-regulate our behavior, and mental and physical health.
It seems that a better alternative, once you have a sufficient belief in your self-worth, is to focus on accomplishing challenging, valued activities and fostering your relationships. Let authentic pride and strong positive feelings about oneself be the natural outcome, instead of driving force. To get you through the difficult times and self-doubt, work on increasing your self-compassion, not self-esteem.
Hopefully through our understanding of the different pathways of narcissism and self-esteem, we can have a more realistic understanding of the impact of raising self-esteem, and can target practices to help people make sure they are increasing their self-esteem in the most healthy, productive, genuine, and authentic fashion.
© 2017 Scott Barry Kaufman, All Rights Reserved
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Re: Vampire
by Meno_ » Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:33 am
Ok self esteem?
Narcissism, complexity, languages, s(t)imulation, talk,
Darkness, and political uncertainty, straight talk, masochism,
Vampiric flagellation, waiting for the dark, been there done that, you would be surprised how complexity can not simply translate, stick to it never let go , and don't mess with leeches, they bargain to deceive, and yet:
You know in constrained environments anything goes, they treat you respectfully since they don't know or seem to care what you have, buffer zones, hiding in fields of cotton, be a gentleman, and beware of profalgates, & exhibitionist, in the certain field of travesty you'll feel better,
So and so, stay home but don't get stuck on the luminosity of televisions over right alternative, play the game,
And by all means stop when the chips are down, have a few left, a few shots and you're back in the zone, I never left them oh no
to leave them desert them
As few shots later
Will miss you,
and of course don't leave them hanging like to really leave, as if it was small just a gig,
course let them think, yours quitting time, as bereft of certain defeat
another then,
bites the dust.
Be mindful of perhaps mechanical failures along the way - it is an old model left to rust
not to impress.
Narcissism, complexity, languages, s(t)imulation, talk,
Darkness, and political uncertainty, straight talk, masochism,
Vampiric flagellation, waiting for the dark, been there done that, you would be surprised how complexity can not simply translate, stick to it never let go , and don't mess with leeches, they bargain to deceive, and yet:
You know in constrained environments anything goes, they treat you respectfully since they don't know or seem to care what you have, buffer zones, hiding in fields of cotton, be a gentleman, and beware of profalgates, & exhibitionist, in the certain field of travesty you'll feel better,
So and so, stay home but don't get stuck on the luminosity of televisions over right alternative, play the game,
And by all means stop when the chips are down, have a few left, a few shots and you're back in the zone, I never left them oh no
to leave them desert them
As few shots later
Will miss you,
and of course don't leave them hanging like to really leave, as if it was small just a gig,
course let them think, yours quitting time, as bereft of certain defeat
another then,
bites the dust.
Be mindful of perhaps mechanical failures along the way - it is an old model left to rust
not to impress.
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Re: Vampire
by Meno_ » Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:26 pm
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Re: Vampire
by Meno_ » Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:02 pm
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Re: Vampire
by MagsJ » Thu Nov 28, 2019 10:45 pm
Worse
Whilst out last week,
my nephew attempted,
to rouse me out of my indifference,
only to realise,
that my indifference is my normal,
and to attempt for me to be otherwise,
becomes detrimental to mine self,
and now he knows to leave me be,
or make me worse..
Whilst out last week,
my nephew attempted,
to rouse me out of my indifference,
only to realise,
that my indifference is my normal,
and to attempt for me to be otherwise,
becomes detrimental to mine self,
and now he knows to leave me be,
or make me worse..
The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite
I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get that time back, and I may need it for something at some point in time. Wait! What?
--MagsJ
I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get that time back, and I may need it for something at some point in time. Wait! What?
--MagsJ
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Re: Vampire
by Meno_ » Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:55 am
I hate to agree with You, but it's so true!
Indifference hurts more than the sting that is self infused by it, for it really much more effective a weapon than trying to argue and setting records straight.
It does have a castrating effect on the attempted fuel that keeps the fire of loathing and anger burning.
In many a case, after a while it neutralizes negative feelings and even dampens the affects that intended hurt can impose.
Sometimes that is the only solution.
Indifference hurts more than the sting that is self infused by it, for it really much more effective a weapon than trying to argue and setting records straight.
It does have a castrating effect on the attempted fuel that keeps the fire of loathing and anger burning.
In many a case, after a while it neutralizes negative feelings and even dampens the affects that intended hurt can impose.
Sometimes that is the only solution.
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Re: Vampire
by MagsJ » Sun Dec 01, 2019 1:39 am
Meno_ wrote:I hate to agree with You, but it's so true!
Indifference hurts more than the sting that is self infused by it, for it really much more effective a weapon than trying to argue and setting records straight.
It does have a castrating effect on the attempted fuel that keeps the fire of loathing and anger burning.
In many a case, after a while it neutralizes negative feelings and even dampens the affects that intended hurt can impose.
Sometimes that is the only solution.
He just wanted me to perk up.. I just don’t do the whole ‘exuberant’ thing often.. intensity, yes: exuberance, not often.. I ain’t got time for that.
Why take another’s indifference personally? Not like he’s any different.. which he’s not, but he is a hoot to be around.
The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite
I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get that time back, and I may need it for something at some point in time. Wait! What?
--MagsJ
I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get that time back, and I may need it for something at some point in time. Wait! What?
--MagsJ
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