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Storm Clouds of Being - dos

Postby fuse » Wed Aug 05, 2015 9:19 pm

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want to run my hand through wavy gray storm clouds.
want to hold the essence of being as it condenses inside me giving way to sweat, blood, and tears.

..my prayer for synchronicity and belonging in nature.

the air..full of charge and portent...at once extremely cool and comfortable yet unmistakably delicate and foreboding. So stirs a sudden breeze that might be taken for a sign of pleasant weather. So I stop and take heed – invigorated by this atmospheric drama. I seem to lose myself a little as I commune with nature and experience being with her for a few free moments.

the satisfying flow of man in nature and nature in man; the spirit of man honors the fecund bubble of void from which it originated through an offering of sweat, blood, and tears - the fluids of life and effort. The place of experience, the world, becomes the shrine. Heathen has no meaning for the one involved. There is only being in nature, as a projection of the world, harking back to itself, breath of the void.
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Re: Storm Clouds of Being - dos

Postby Some Guy in History » Wed Aug 05, 2015 9:43 pm

It is a pity that stuff like this gets so few views while people come running when there's fighting. Keep on keepin' on, brother.
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Re: Storm Clouds of Being - dos

Postby fuse » Wed Aug 05, 2015 10:03 pm

well thanks, man. anyway, I'd be surprised if it had more than a few views since I just put it up like 40 minutes ago.
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Re: Storm Clouds of Being - dos

Postby Amorphos » Wed Aug 05, 2015 10:34 pm

2op

The awens ~ an ancient welsh/british word meaning thought-wind, makes me think of the buddha’s individualism issue. It is true that individuality in us/things is impermanent, they are like the winds. Then that when the winds have ceased there is only the [general/global/universal] still air. Your words make me wonder ‘what blows the winds’? What is nature.
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Re: Storm Clouds of Being - dos

Postby Arcturus Descending » Thu Aug 06, 2015 4:24 pm

fuse wrote:
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want to run my hand through wavy gray storm clouds.
want to hold the essence of being as it condenses inside me giving way to sweat, blood, and tears.

..my prayer for synchronicity and belonging in nature.

the air..full of charge and portent...at once extremely cool and comfortable yet unmistakably delicate and foreboding. So stirs a sudden breeze that might be taken for a sign of pleasant weather. So I stop and take heed – invigorated by this atmospheric drama. I seem to lose myself a little as I commune with nature and experience being with her for a few free moments.

the satisfying flow of man in nature and nature in man; the spirit of man honors the fecund bubble of void from which it originated through an offering of sweat, blood, and tears - the fluids of life and effort. The place of experience, the world, becomes the shrine. Heathen has no meaning for the one involved. There is only being in nature, as a projection of the world, harking back to itself, breath of the void.

I didn't know that you could write like this, fuse - beautiful poetic prose.
This is the image that I was speaking of yesterday in the "cult movie" thread when I mentioned the picture you put in. I love the dark overcast sky. Just something about it is thrilling to me.
Perhaps its because of this way of thinking and being and doing that your friends compare you to Chris McCandless.

The place of experience, the world, becomes the shrine

Doesn't it though. :mrgreen: Really!


want to run my hand through wavy gray storm clouds.

If you close your eyes and imagine, you can but I think you've already done this.

Thank you, fuse
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What we take ourselves to be doing when we think about what is the case or how we should act is something that cannot be reconciled with a reductive naturalism, for reasons distinct from those that entail the irreducibility of consciousness. It is not merely the subjectivity of thought but its capacity to transcend subjectivity and to discover what is objectively the case that presents a problem....Thought and reasoning are correct or incorrect in virtue of something independent of the thinker's beliefs, and even independent of the community of thinkers to which he belongs.

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Re: Storm Clouds of Being - dos

Postby Arcturus Descending » Thu Aug 06, 2015 4:30 pm

fuse,

Below is an excerpt from the movie, ' Into The Wild.'


There is a pleasure in the pathless woods;
There is a rapture on the loney shores;
There is society, where none intrudes,
By the deep sea, and music in its roar:
I love not man the less, but Nature more...


This is a quote from George Gordon ( Lord ) Byron poems
Childe Harold's Pilgrimage

Beautiful, isn't it?
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If I thought that everything I did was determined by my circumstancse and my psychological condition, I would feel trapped.


What we take ourselves to be doing when we think about what is the case or how we should act is something that cannot be reconciled with a reductive naturalism, for reasons distinct from those that entail the irreducibility of consciousness. It is not merely the subjectivity of thought but its capacity to transcend subjectivity and to discover what is objectively the case that presents a problem....Thought and reasoning are correct or incorrect in virtue of something independent of the thinker's beliefs, and even independent of the community of thinkers to which he belongs.

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Re: Storm Clouds of Being - dos

Postby GreatandWiseTrixie » Thu Aug 06, 2015 8:49 pm

I am Lord of the Storm.
I am losing my mind to mandess.
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Re: Storm Clouds of Being - dos

Postby Amorphos » Thu Aug 06, 2015 11:38 pm

^^ no that's Terranis
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Re: Storm Clouds of Being - dos

Postby GreatandWiseTrixie » Fri Aug 07, 2015 12:18 am

Amorphos wrote:^^ no that's Terranis

Don't know who that is and I dont believe he is with us any more.
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Re: Storm Clouds of Being - dos

Postby Amorphos » Fri Aug 07, 2015 1:46 am

Taranis [sry spelt it wrong] is the celtic god of storms and fire, and of the wicker man [and all that means].

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taranis

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Re: Storm Clouds of Being - dos

Postby Arcturus Descending » Fri Aug 07, 2015 3:22 pm

GreatandWiseTrixie wrote:I am Lord of the Storm.


No, you're not - you're lord of the gadflies. :evilfun:
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If I thought that everything I did was determined by my circumstancse and my psychological condition, I would feel trapped.


What we take ourselves to be doing when we think about what is the case or how we should act is something that cannot be reconciled with a reductive naturalism, for reasons distinct from those that entail the irreducibility of consciousness. It is not merely the subjectivity of thought but its capacity to transcend subjectivity and to discover what is objectively the case that presents a problem....Thought and reasoning are correct or incorrect in virtue of something independent of the thinker's beliefs, and even independent of the community of thinkers to which he belongs.

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Re: Storm Clouds of Being - dos

Postby fuse » Fri Aug 07, 2015 5:37 pm

Amorphos wrote:It is true that individuality in us/things is impermanent

Hey Amorphos, can you explain how you mean this a little bit?

Arcturus Descending wrote:I didn't know that you could write like this, fuse - beautiful poetic prose.
[...]
Perhaps its because of this way of thinking and being and doing that your friends compare you to Chris McCandless.

First of all, thank you Arc. I'll update you on my thoughts after I see the movie (next week probably).

Arcturus Descending wrote:There is a pleasure in the pathless woods;
There is a rapture on the loney shores;
There is society, where none intrudes,
By the deep sea, and music in its roar:
I love not man the less, but Nature more...

This definitely fits in here. In my mind, man and society is an extension of nature that is overfamiliar to us.

GreatandWiseTrixie wrote:I am Lord of the Storm.

Hello.
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Re: Storm Clouds of Being - dos

Postby GreatandWiseTrixie » Fri Aug 07, 2015 5:43 pm

Arcturus Descending wrote:
GreatandWiseTrixie wrote:I am Lord of the Storm.


No, you're not - you're lord of the gadflies. :evilfun:


Don't know what a gadfly is, but if I am Lord of the Storm, I am Lord of those, by proxy.
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Re: Storm Clouds of Being - dos

Postby Arcturus Descending » Mon Aug 10, 2015 3:45 pm

GreatandWiseTrixie wrote:
Arcturus Descending wrote:
GreatandWiseTrixie wrote:I am Lord of the Storm.


No, you're not - you're lord of the gadflies. :evilfun:


Don't know what a gadfly is, but if I am Lord of the Storm, I am Lord of those, by proxy.


Oh, you know what a gadfly is, Trixie. :evilfun:

A gadfly is a person who upsets the status quo by posing upsetting or novel questions.

The term "gadfly" (Ancient Greek: μύωψ, mýops[1]) was used by Plato in the Apology[2] to describe Socrates's relationship of uncomfortable goad to the Athenian political scene, which he compared to a slow and dimwitted horse.

During his defense when on trial for his life, Socrates, according to Plato's writings, pointed out that dissent, like the gadfly, was easy to swat, but the cost to society of silencing individuals who were irritating could be very high. "If you kill a man like me, you will injure yourselves more than you will injure me," because his role was that of a gadfly, "to sting people and whip them into a fury, all in the service of truth." This may have been one of the earliest descriptions of gadfly ethics.

In modern politics, a gadfly is someone who persistently challenges people in positions of power, the status quo or a popular position.[3] For example, Morris Kline wrote "There is a function for the gadfly who poses questions that many specialists would like to overlook. Polemics are healthy."[4] The word may be uttered in a pejorative sense, while at the same time be accepted as a description of honourable work or civic duty.[5]
The Book of Jeremiah uses a similar analogy as a political metaphor. "Egypt is a very fair heifer; the gad-fly cometh, it cometh from the north." (46:20, Darby Bible)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_gadfly
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What we take ourselves to be doing when we think about what is the case or how we should act is something that cannot be reconciled with a reductive naturalism, for reasons distinct from those that entail the irreducibility of consciousness. It is not merely the subjectivity of thought but its capacity to transcend subjectivity and to discover what is objectively the case that presents a problem....Thought and reasoning are correct or incorrect in virtue of something independent of the thinker's beliefs, and even independent of the community of thinkers to which he belongs.

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Re: Storm Clouds of Being - dos

Postby Arcturus Descending » Mon Aug 10, 2015 3:46 pm

Fuse,

First of all, thank you Arc. I'll update you on my thoughts after I see the movie (next week probably).

You're quite welcome, Fuse. Enjoy the movie. Get the tissues out.


Arcturus Descending wrote:
There is a pleasure in the pathless woods;
There is a rapture on the loney shores;
There is society, where none intrudes,
By the deep sea, and music in its roar:
I love not man the less, but Nature more...

This definitely fits in here. In my mind, man and society is an extension of nature that is overfamiliar to us.


I think I get the extension to nature part but what did you mean by "overfamiliar" to us?
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If I thought that everything I did was determined by my circumstancse and my psychological condition, I would feel trapped.


What we take ourselves to be doing when we think about what is the case or how we should act is something that cannot be reconciled with a reductive naturalism, for reasons distinct from those that entail the irreducibility of consciousness. It is not merely the subjectivity of thought but its capacity to transcend subjectivity and to discover what is objectively the case that presents a problem....Thought and reasoning are correct or incorrect in virtue of something independent of the thinker's beliefs, and even independent of the community of thinkers to which he belongs.

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Re: Storm Clouds of Being - dos

Postby Amorphos » Mon Aug 10, 2015 9:46 pm

Fuse
Hey Amorphos, can you explain how you mean this a little bit?


sry I missed this til now. Just meant that we and things are in a state of change & that there is no specific cardinality in things if we look deep enough.

Though i contradict that with my ‘existential individualism’ thread.

It seems there cannot be only change, with nothing to underpin that. Something is blowing the winds.
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Re: Storm Clouds of Being - dos

Postby fuse » Wed Aug 12, 2015 3:40 am

Arcturus Descending wrote:
fuse wrote:
Arc wrote:There is a pleasure in the pathless woods;
There is a rapture on the loney shores;
There is society, where none intrudes,
By the deep sea, and music in its roar:
I love not man the less, but Nature more...


This definitely fits in here. In my mind, man and society is an extension of nature that is overfamiliar to us.


I think I get the extension to nature part but what did you mean by "overfamiliar" to us?

That we don't think of our species as part of the continuum of nature - hence the last line: I love not man the less, but Nature more...
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Re: Storm Clouds of Being - dos

Postby fuse » Wed Aug 12, 2015 4:49 am

Amorphos - The question "What blows the winds?" assumes a transcendental mind/intelligence, no?

What is nature? I'll try.

Earth represents a peculiar confluence of energy and matter, supporting the most concentrated array of diverse and ramified forms known to man - including man.
A vibrant ecosystem, primed by the sun.

You asked about text formatting in my other thread. When you post a reply, in addition to the bold, italics, and underline options, you can choose to change the font size from the drop-down menu and you insert indentations using the "list" button. You can always quote a post to see exactly how the poster formatted it.
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Re: Storm Clouds of Being - dos

Postby Amorphos » Wed Aug 12, 2015 11:01 pm

Amorphos - The question "What blows the winds?" assumes a transcendental mind/intelligence, no?


If we regard it as having entity yes, but perhaps it refers to the transient nature of existence? I’v gone over other areas of the basis on my other threads also ~ for reference.
Reality has no measure;
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=188490
Everything does not exist;
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=188482

So in the sense that there is only transience [reality has no [exact] cardinality], the winds are what blows the winds?

Energy and matter are ultimately the same thing; given that there is no specific thing [cardinality] dividing them, and that they are interchangeable, and that all types of energy are interchangeable. Yet we can’t say what that one thing is, without making an, or it having, a contrast.
This is a flaw in our thinking, as intellectual precesses and ones perceptions are formed from contrasts.

Buddha would have used the term ‘duality’, but i prefer to be more specific. That is; he is saying that the world is/= duality and that duality is an illusion, whereas I am saying that duality itself is an illusion if seen in the specific [cardinality], and the world is not an illusion [you cant have ‘less real’ and ‘more real’]. Nirvana [to me statelessness] is a realisation of reality without duality = emptiness. where if all things = real, that means reality is the universe = state + the greater reality = statelessness.

Put state and statelessness together and you get indefinableness [see also ‘what is the greatest thing?' Thread]. It is simply impossible, but reality does that because it can. Or again, this is merely a flaw in the way we think; reality could be one thing which has both unmanifest and manifest forms, somewhat akin to a mirror. This allows for an interchange between two kinds of reals, as time fades into the future/history, form is becoming and un-becoming manifest. Then in the same fashion, the universe becomes manifest then unmanifest, particles in the quantum soup also become manifest then unmanifest [appear/disappear].

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Re: Storm Clouds of Being - dos

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I want to run my hand through wavy gray storm clouds. I want to hold the essence of being as it condenses inside me giving way to sweat, blood, and tears.

Before a summer thunderstorm, such as on that day, the air feels full of charge and portent -- at once extremely cool and comfortable yet unmistakably delicate and foreboding. So stirs a sudden breeze that might be taken for a sign of pleasant weather. I stop and take heed – invigorated by this atmospheric drama. I seem to lose myself a little as I commune with nature and experience being with her for a few free moments.

It is the satisfying flow of man in nature and nature in man; the spirit of man honors the fecund bubble of void from which it originated through an offering of sweat, blood, and tears - the fluids of life and effort. The place of experience, the world, becomes the shrine. Heathen has no meaning for the one involved. There is only being in nature, as a projection of the world, harking back to itself, breath of the void.
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Re: Storm Clouds of Being - dos

Postby Fixed Cross » Sat Oct 22, 2016 7:51 am

'There is nothing else.
All weathers are wild, you know what this means? - Odin

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There are innumerable seeds in the earth, innumerably many more than the reckoning of either living or dead trees- the sound of the seeds growing is deafening, and drowns out the sound of all the falling oceans of wood in the forests- but, perhaps, the sound made by the seeds can only be heard with our thoughts. - Parodites, 3rd Pentad

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